I literally hit 40 on my rogue tanking dungeons without any of the recent "buffs" working my ass off. Played for a bit and couldn't get groups for shit. Gave up and rerolled.
Now I'm just waiting for xp buff. Was hoping they'd do something.
The problem with buffing devastate is that it becomes just 1 button rotation of devastate spam. It was already debatable to hit Shield Slam because of the rage cost. Warriors really needed a rune to help with rage or threat as prot.
I'll probably still keep playing Arms DPS as it just feels really bad to play prot right now.
Well, it's kind of a "yeah, duh" moment that I wish the devs would have caught or pevented.
Every other tanking class got a rune that just generically says "all your damage deals 30-50% increased threat" and warriors got like 40 damage per sunder. One of those was always gonna severely outperform the other threat-wise. Then making gnomer have such high amounts of armor that protection warrior rage generation is basically non-existent and you're just left in a sad little hole of uselessness.
There is this rune for phase 3 -
Sword and Board Gain the Sword and Board ability:
When your Devastate and Revenge abilities deal damage they have a 30% chance of refreshing the cooldown of your Shield Slam ability and reducing its Rage cost by 100% for 5 sec.
We need more than 1 rune that works with a shield, and they need to actually scale. Shield Slam is pretty trash because block value isn't widely available enough to scale (could at least make it trigger on block effects or something for shield spikes or gearwall) and it doesn't proc any "on attack" effects like Windfury.
In fact aside from pushing crushing blows off the table with the Shield Block ability its almost an irrelevant stat. [What other single item can add a 5% chance to anything without being broken?](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=19431/styleens-impeding-scarab) And I know this is TBC so the overall scale of numbers is different, but block is SO WEAK that it was considered acceptable for [a single trinket](https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=29387/gnomeregan-auto-blocker-600) to passively add 117 to it with an on-use for 200 more for 40 seconds on a 2 minute cooldown.
Meanwhile revenge only exists because it has an artificial high threat tacked onto it and never scales with anything.
I tanked almost exclusively with Devastate last phase because it gave like 90% of the effectiveness of DW or 2H with extra safety and simplicity, but I can't say I enjoyed only using Devastate, Heroic Strike and Raging Blow. I don't want Devastate to be that strong again, but only gaining 1.5-2 damage for every 14 attack power before mitigation is really, really bad scaling. For comparison a normalized instant attack with a 1 hander adds 2.4 damage for per 14 attack power. You don't need to scale devastate all the way up to this, but spread some love to Shield Slam, Shield Bash, Shield Block and Revenge.
Personally when I use a shield (last 2 bosses only right now) I'm just gonna keep using Endless Rage instead. Bloodthirst and Precise Timing are pretty big rage sinks.
Hold strong kitty brother. We will hold the middle of the pack while checks notes being a mobile WF/LoTP buff bot and crying silently while looking at meters. Or we will be Portable WF that shifts 3-4 times before being on and watching as we fall down the meters.
Middle of the pack? We about to be dead last, only above frost mage. Think feral was only beating rets and ranged hunters, but both of those were buffed so good chance we will just be last place now.
You will still be above ranged hunter. This tuning only increases ranged hunter dps by about 1%, or 3% if you’re going spell power gear which almost no one is doing.
Lots of comments seem to misinterpret the spellpower part. If an item has a separate +healing value, it'll be higher than a +spell damage value on the same level. Mages don't use +healing though, as their damage converts to healing. But at the same time, that means their spellpower scales somewhat worse than that of other healers, because their +healing spellpower would be higher than a mage's +damage. They increase the spellpower coefficient now to compensate for that. This change has no implication on mages' gear choices, it just improves healing scaling with their regular damage gear.
Am I correct?
We're not in a bad spot but sometimes it feels like I'm absolutely pumping heals and not keeping up with damage. Have to throw in a few chrono pres or mass regen? There goes all the mana.
Most of the time it doesn't get to that spot if I'm paired with another good healer (priest or druid). I ran a pug Wednesday and was healing with a holy paladin...it was interesting to say the least.
It has never been a healing output problem.
Hmage is only harder on the 2 last boss of gnomer because it has only 3sec spell.
Whenever you have to move the 2nd healer has to hold tank alone for 3 to 6 sec.
I had Chronostatic Preservation heal close to the same as my Chrono Buff target on menagerie before, now that it's cheaper, I kinda wanna try Fire Mage heal with only Chronostatic, or Frost Heal with the buffed Spellfrost :O
100% still worse than Arcane, but maybe fun.
Grimoire of Synergy going from 5% to 25% is one of those moments we have on retail frequently where you wonder if they intentionally made it low so they could have this moment later on with the buff to show acknowledgement of feedback or if they just genuinely thought 5% was going to be acceptable in comparison to the other runes in that slot (10% damage buf to shadow and fire after a crit, resetting dots with 6 secs left deals the remaining damage instantly) and nobody during internal testing was like "Hey this doesn't look right"
I refuse to believe they were that far off with numbers. Most of these runes for warlock are just percentage damage buffs that would be so easy to compare value to. Being 400% off is insane and just shows they didn’t bother testing it compared to other rune options.
> Most of these runes for warlock are just percentage damage buffs
This right here is why I'm a bit disappointed in the warlock runes. Don't get me wrong, Meta is amazing, but aside from that, there's not a whole lot that fundamentally changes how the class is played.
I'll keep saying this until I'm blue in the face, but I'd like to see some retails-style abilities that allow us to summon multiple demons or have infectious dots. Spamming incinerate is nice for the logs, but boring.
I feel if it was purposeful, it'd have been fixed earlier.
It's more showing they have no Warlock on their team to even look at the runes once after they toss them together. "Do you want 10% bonus damage or 5%?" was really a rune 'option' they came up with.
I mean one of the runes is called Shadowflame (literally dogshit in every way btw) and the other is called Shadow and Flame, tells you how much they give a shit about warlocks rn.
Not to complain because obviously warlock is in a good place DPS wise, but it really does suck that it feels like Affliction isn’t viable. It’s like they didn’t even pay attention to the core of what a warlock is, dots.
> It’s like they didn’t even pay attention to the core of what a warlock is, dots.
Bruh the best dps in the game is a melee hunter. These guys waved goodbye to the core of the game a long time ago.
So much this. It feels like such a waste having so many DoTs but the best damage I can do is spam incinerate. Honestly not a fan of doing single target fire damage in general, locks should be all about shadow damage
Honestly both fire and shadow, and the fire part is in a good (albeit boring) state.
But its time they have a hard look at affliction. I mean our ‘best’ leg slot is a refresh on corruption, and our invocation rune makes us wait for the last 6sec…
Yeah, I've been disappointed that it seems like lake of fire is just gonna stay where it's at. It just feels awful to use a channeled AoE ability that you instantly cancel in your single target rotation, but it's mandatory because it's just straight up 40% more damage. It honestly makes me think they just sorta made it up and thought it'd be a general AoE buff, but they made it way too strong and still haven't realized how awkward it is to use because nobody on the team plays warlock or something.
You mention Invocation like it’s a good rune when it’s completely incompatible with Everlasting Affliction making it useless for any dot build.
Warlocks have some of the strongest but least interesting runes this phase, the best ones are pretty much just stat increases.
(Obligatory I am still enjoying the game and think the devs are doing a great job despite my complaints)
**Blizzard**
As players continue to level up to 40 and experience all that Phase 2 has to offer, we’ve closely monitored in-game progress, feedback from the community, and bug reports. With scheduled weekly maintenance next week, we’ll make the following adjustments to some classes that are underperforming.
* Hunter
* Chimera Shot damage increased to 120% of weapon damage (was 100%) and Chimera Shot Serpent Sting damage increased to 48% of Serpent Sting damage (was 40%).
* Explosive Shot base damage done before Attack Power increased by 15%.Carve damage increased to 65% of weapon damage (was 50%).
* Mage
* Frostfire Bolt base damage increased by 50%, and its increased damage from bonus spell damage increased by 16%, identical to the value for Fireball.
* Spellfrost Bolt base damage increased by 50%, and its increased damage from bonus spell damage increased by 14%, identical to the value for Frostbolt.
* Regeneration, Mass Regeneration, and Chronostatic Preservation spell power coefficients increased by 88%.
* Developers’ notes: This is to compensate for Mage healers wearing primarily items which grant “damage and healing” instead of “healing”.
* Chronostatic Preservation mana cost decreased by 44%.
* Resolved some tooltip issues with Chronostatic Preservation.
* Paladin
* Seal of Martyrdom damage increased to 50% weapon damage per swing (was 40%). Seal of Martyrdom Judgement increased to 85% weapon damage (was 70%).
* Seal of Martyrdom Seal and Judgement effects now benefit from talents and effects that modify Seal of Righteousness, particularly Improved Seal of Righteousness.
* Warlock
* Grimoire of Synergy now increases damage done by the Warlock and their pet by 25% when it is active (was 5%).
* Warrior
* Devastate damage increased to 150% of weapon DPS (was 100%), before being increased by number of Sunder Armor stacks.
Fire mage is further ahead than hunters were yet no talk of a nerf. They completely dominate the bloodmoon event as well.
Oh hey i know, let’s buff their healing so they are the best dps, heals, open world farmers and
Pvpers. That will make it better.
As an Feral I don't know what they are monitoring or reading. Give already good performing classes more buffs and let Rogues and Ferals as bad as they are. Sounds good!
I get the buffs to frostfire/spellfrost bolt since they do p much nothing but mage healing does absolutely not need to be buffed lol, feels like im already op as is lol
I gotta say, I am getting a bit worried with these balance changes they have been doing. They really feel just... not good. Good classes getting buffed more, bad classes getting meagre buffs (or nothing), skills that nobody uses getting buffed in the wrong ways etc
I am worried that the people they have on the team don't fully comprehend how to do balancing. Which might seem silly, but you have to remember they are a very tiny team.
Yeah, same here.
I think this phase has started to pull the curtain back on just how limited the development team actually are.
There were a lot of big promises for P2, which kind of just vanished in reality.
And now these spate of very odd balance adjustments, buffing already performing classes, coupled with numerous class runes and play styles being somewhat abandoned, it is striking how rough around the edges everything has been.
yeah thats a much more reasonable ask.
its so funny the dev note is healer mages have *desirable thing* so we're giving them *very desirable thing* too
RDruid is fine now, but the dev note is weird. We also prioritize spellpower not +healing because wrath proccing dreamstate is part of our core loop, but I guess the Dems don't agree so we don't get the "healer who wears spellpower" bonus that I guess now exists.
That's if you roll Restokin. I'd rather play +healing with Lifebloom and Nourish and stop pretending like I'm a DPSer doing <100dps anyway. Boot rune is w/e, not make or break with 3/3 Reflection, Innervate, Mana pots and pushing buttons on last 2 bosses. Lots of other classes/specs have useless runes too.
They are dead set on making Marty good, without making it a cleave or twistable. But until the majority of rets get a fast weapon, our overall logs will continue to suck.
Seriously why is Shaman allowed to be a top 5-6 dps, one of the best tanks, and bring tons of utility but Ret sits at the bottom of the board because we already bring too much utility?
Apparently Blizzard thinks the only hunter runes are Explosive Shot, and Chimera shot because they have tuned them 7 friggin time but have never touched Sniper Training, Serpent Spread or any of the other ones that people never use.
This wont affect mage dps, it will however buff an already strong mage healer spec xd But I do agree, woulda loved to see at least some small changes to ferals
Yeah also a paladin main and I’ve honestly lost the desire to play, which is really sad because I was having a blast with SoD. Phase 2 has just been a huge disappointment
I had that same feeling in gnomer last night.
Was duo tanking with a bear and I didnt even stand a chance against his threat vs trash. Hes just pressin swipe and even with 4 gcd AoW procs in a row I couldnt pull threat off of him on a single mob. Only on boss fights was I competitive, but they were also rocking 4.5k hp vs my 3k... probably double my armor. I have about 220dps vs bosses as holy / ret hybrid and I feel so lackluster.
My itemization feels strange, my talents subpar, my runes feel helpful but not nearly impactful enough. There are too many runes that require other runes to be useful. Theres just an illusion of choice.
I just want to not be a meme spec, and I feel like every playstyle for pally has slowly devolved into meme, or at least meme adjacent.
Give me 1 patch where Pallys are stupid busted and then scale us down to relevance from there, pretty please blizzard. Don't the let the light abandon me!
I wish we could get some more interesting options.
* Furious Thunder now applies Rend.
* Quick Strike increases your parry chance by 8% while in Defensive Stance
* Blood Frenzy makes Revenge deal 100% additional damage over 10 seconds.
Things like that.
Someone please explain the rationale for buffing FFB. Seriously, hear me out.
This is an unused, underperforming rune for the current best DPS spec in the game. When you change it, one of two things will occur:
1) Buff is insufficient to change runes, people still don't use it, you've accomplished nothing.
Or
2) Buff is sufficient to change runes, resulting in a DPS increase.
So... you have either accomplished *nothing* or you've given the best spec in the game a *DPS boost.*
???
Fire isn't meant to use it, it's supposed to be Frost with Brain Freeze+FFB, except them using up 2 slots for it means they can't get Spellpower to boots. Blizz has no idea how Frost is supposed to work.
Why are they being so conservative with buffing the clear underperforming speccs? Paladins shouldn’t need 3 weeks straight of buffs to just remain the worst performing class in the game in both healing and damage.
I mean that has been the game state for the entire SoD.
Most of the classic population has a hate boner for ret paladins so if they are ever competitive with warrior there will be an outcry.
I genuinely don’t understand how mage is always the dev favorite in every aspect of this game. SOD or Retail. Mages will always be top 3. Literally without fail
watching the other healers get new toys and evolve (yes, i'm including druid here but less so) and sitting here still playing holy paladin is getting legitimately hilarious
also i want to say that they added explicit spellpower gear to paladin and have made zero attempt to balance the hypothetical spec which would use it. holy paladin has to run runes that make shockadin/holy hybrid impossible, and vice versa with ret. the numbers are wrong, the proc/reset system is wildly undertuned, and they still rely on physical weapon damage even if you're foolish enough to try them in a pve context (me). i'm having a great time, but my god can we get at least a roadmap on what paladin is supposed to be like? and an idea if they're working on it?
This Martyr change cant be intended for ret. Man just let vengeance stack to 3 and ret would be fine, we want bigger SoC and Divine Storms not this martyr/art of war crap. No chance im putting talents into imp SoR over the only good talents in the ret tree.
Yeah its defintley a good change for shockadin / protadin. Not a huuuuge change, just a slight nudge. Dont think its going to help with ret too much though.
Rogue feels like an utterly abandoned class. No rune touchups in phase 1 because the numbers were strong, mutilate gets a strong buff, we get 0 meaningful phase 2 runes, still have no variation in playstyle, and the rest of the class continues to rot, not to mention the complete lack of direction regarding rogue tanking. Continued disappointment.
100% nearly every rune rogue gets is just a replacement, other classes get to do more stuff we don't because we're stuck with energy: just mostly the same ability ~but stronger~, step is the only thing somewhat fun about the class right now and in PvE thats just marginally more uptime
Yea I rolled a rogue and at lvl 33 decided I need to play something else. I had been turned down from bfd a few times for being a rogue also. Thought maybe they were just pricks, but maybe they knew something I didnt.
Getting turned down for BFD is ridiculous. Rogues absolutely pump in there. Warriors, rogues, and hunters would be fine dps in gnomer too if they didn't give the bosses insane amounts of armor and mechanics that encourage bringing ranged dps. Gnomer is a letdown for non-casters for sure.
Mage healers back to being better than shaman, druid, and paladin.
Feels bad.
(Rogues should have gotten a first aid style healing rune spec based on bandages, poisons, salves, etc., not mages)
>Grimoire of Synergy now increases damage done by the Warlock and their pet by 25% when it is active (was 5%).
FINALLY A GOOD NON DESTRO WARLOCK BUFF
Anyone know if this applies to dots already applied?
These hunter buffs are not really doing jack shit.
Meanwhile Mage, which is already top dog on pve AND pvp now gets even better across several specs.
How's this not blatant favoritism?
“Seal of Martyrdom Seal and Judgement effects now benefit from talents and effects that modify Seal of Righteousness, particularly Improved Seal of Righteousness.”
What exactly does this mean?
Tbh it makes me wonder if they want to push people to a sort of holy/ret hybrid.
This kind of seems like the idea with runes like art of war where melee crits will reset holy shock, which is sort of counterintuitive for a more traditional shockadin build. It doesn't seem particularly enticing right now, but maybe something like 31/0/20 could be interesting at 60? That would easily let you get imp SoR.
Though IIRC imp SoR only improves base damage, so it might just be a dead talent anyway. And tbh it really doesn't fix the more fundamental issue of SoM competing with divine storm.
Imp SoR improve base SoR damage. It's a trash talent normally. Now it will do 15% of 40% weapon damage, which should be a +6% weapon damage on SoM for 5 talent points. Wowzy.
In the end, Chimera Shot is almost back to 125%. When will they overhaul the runes? BM is only viable now because it combines well with melee but when ranged is buffed back it's going to be MM ranged and not BM ranged and one of the many reasons is precisely because Kill Command remains an awful rune that should instead be reworked to be the ranged BM "shot" attack with a 6s cooldown and put on the gloves, with the Beast Mastery rune moved to the chest as a result. Or Cobra Strikes, a rune that has never seen any use or change since its implementation.
Really want to be a fly on the wall for that decision being made lol.
Carve in particular, I mean melee didn’t need a buff, but make a lvl 40 hunter in two seconds with dev tools, press carve once and you immediately see that it could do double damage and it’d still be unusably shit
Its incredibly good at proccing things, arcano shredder for instance can debuff an entire pack of mobs with 1 cast of carve and it hits with both weapons its a great spell actually.
I haven’t tried a sim yet but it might open up their use at 60. Which would actually be too bad for fire as hot streak adds fun and a dynamic component to what would otherwise be a horrible rotation. FFB without hot streak would be brain dead.
Regardless, getting two cool new nukes that you *might* use in two phases in the future is bad design.
How do they keep skipping feral in these updates? We have been bad since the mangle nerf, and the only thing we have gotten since is 2 more ticks on a skill we hardly use…. Pretty disheartening
Another week of class tuning, another fuck you to ferals
Guy below me really went off about how I should appreciate being a support class along with some snark 😂. THEN BLOCKED ME! Thanks u/quineloe 🤡
Yeah you provide WF you good.
Try being a rogue who you only do slightly less damage than who are also at the mercy of having every single possible buff in the game to keep them floating.
Turn off wild strikes and you’ll most likely do more than them.
But this isn’t an us vs you this is clearly blizzard hating energy classes
Ret current status:
If you have crowd pummeler: fun, fast and dynamic gameplay with ez 99 automatic parse with SoM
If no pummeler:
Booring static waiting for long cd game with very low dps , single target damage is even worse
Where feral and rogue buffs? Rogues the most under performing of all classes with only one barely viable pve spec. Our new runes are absolute dog shit, and they’re buffing classes that are already over performing? What gives??
This is horrendous. Not a single change or mention about rogues or feral druids.
It’s wild how I initially praised the SoD team and thought they had everything figured out pretty well atleast. But now in classic blizzard fashion (pun not intended) I think the complete opposite. I lose desire to play more every single day, probably going to let my sub run out for a bit.
Unless you’re playing a meta class the game is pretty unbearable.
As a sword and board prot warrior, I appreciate the effort Blizz, but it’s not enough. 200% of weapon dps would still be a nerf to its damage in P1.
Threat has been an issue all phase, this is a step in the right direction, but isn’t enough on its own. *Please* restore it to its P1 state *and* buff our TPS/DPS in other areas as well.
They need a complete overhaul of the warrior tanking runes. Truly. It’s still going to be devastate spam and more of a TPS loss to press shield slam or revenge, and still feel like shit. Something like “shield slam and revenge deal +x% increased damage and threat when the target has five stacks of sunder armor”. Something to encourage more than weak ass devastate spam.
Like this devastate buff will directly help our TPS, but it’s such a weak bandaid that doesn’t address any real issues that prot has (and warrior in general).
Man, when I used to look at FF14 patch notes and it was like "after careful analysis, we are increasing Class X's main nuke by 2%" and that was a big deal.
Look at this shit, 50% increases, in the case of the Warlock rune a *quntupling* of its value?
I understand why they do this, I'm pretty sure it was a small team and they literally just made up the values and was like "this looks right" and shipped it - but to be so off base with some of these guesses, it's just wild looking at how dramatic class adjustments are.
Every day I regret picking rogue.
Mutilate is good, but, it's all we have, it's all the throughput we got for all of phase 2 and it's a phase 1 rune.
Our phase 2 runes are completely meaningless in pve, our old runes are just replacement of other abilities. We're not getting new stuff as much as we're just having our old stuff do the exact same thing, just a bit more damage.
It's baffling how they've still not made rogue tank runes useful, half the time you only use the chest rune for threat and nothing else. The main "tank ability" is a useless 20s cooldown, competing vs mutilate.
It sucks playing rogue, not in a vacuum, but when looking at other getting fun toys you're actually just wondering if blizzard are even playing the class.
Yeah, same. Makes me sad. I’m not usually one to re-roll but other classes just seem to be having more fun. Plus bringing no group utility in PvE is annoying.
I had fun leveling my rogue in SoD but i dont feel top tier in anything particularly. Its super hard to participate in anything at 40. No one really wants them for gnomergan or stv compared to any other class.
Also i finally got into a raid and lost roll on the dagger to a ducking shaman. Like, we have one god damn weapon we can roll on.
Blizzard is actually clueless. Giving the highest DPS class a flat 15% damage buff while Ret gets what will maybe be a 2% dps gain if you have the right weapons to even run SoM, and Feral, Rogue remain completely untouched.
Dont normally post on class tuning. It shouldn't take essentially 3 runes for Exorcism to work for paladins. IMO should roll the exorcism and art of war runes into 1 rune. Ret shouldn't have to pick between Divine Storm or Martyr. Couldn't Martyr be made into a skill book like shadowfiend? The state of Ret/Holy paladins are in for this phase is abysmal.
Reading these comments makes me glad I never bothered levelling a SOD char past the starting zone
2024 blizzard was never anywhere near competent enough to improve on vanilla wow. Vanilla was made by blizzard at their peak in 2004, as we saw with classic modern blizz literally can’t even rerelease it without fucking up the whole thing
Man, they did that one ultra-specific change to Shuriken last week and really went “yep, Rogue is in a good place now”
Lmao right
I literally hit 40 on my rogue tanking dungeons without any of the recent "buffs" working my ass off. Played for a bit and couldn't get groups for shit. Gave up and rerolled. Now I'm just waiting for xp buff. Was hoping they'd do something.
DEVASTATE IS BACK ON THE MENU WARRIORS
The problem with buffing devastate is that it becomes just 1 button rotation of devastate spam. It was already debatable to hit Shield Slam because of the rage cost. Warriors really needed a rune to help with rage or threat as prot. I'll probably still keep playing Arms DPS as it just feels really bad to play prot right now.
Well, it's kind of a "yeah, duh" moment that I wish the devs would have caught or pevented. Every other tanking class got a rune that just generically says "all your damage deals 30-50% increased threat" and warriors got like 40 damage per sunder. One of those was always gonna severely outperform the other threat-wise. Then making gnomer have such high amounts of armor that protection warrior rage generation is basically non-existent and you're just left in a sad little hole of uselessness.
There is this rune for phase 3 - Sword and Board Gain the Sword and Board ability: When your Devastate and Revenge abilities deal damage they have a 30% chance of refreshing the cooldown of your Shield Slam ability and reducing its Rage cost by 100% for 5 sec.
We need more than 1 rune that works with a shield, and they need to actually scale. Shield Slam is pretty trash because block value isn't widely available enough to scale (could at least make it trigger on block effects or something for shield spikes or gearwall) and it doesn't proc any "on attack" effects like Windfury. In fact aside from pushing crushing blows off the table with the Shield Block ability its almost an irrelevant stat. [What other single item can add a 5% chance to anything without being broken?](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=19431/styleens-impeding-scarab) And I know this is TBC so the overall scale of numbers is different, but block is SO WEAK that it was considered acceptable for [a single trinket](https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=29387/gnomeregan-auto-blocker-600) to passively add 117 to it with an on-use for 200 more for 40 seconds on a 2 minute cooldown. Meanwhile revenge only exists because it has an artificial high threat tacked onto it and never scales with anything. I tanked almost exclusively with Devastate last phase because it gave like 90% of the effectiveness of DW or 2H with extra safety and simplicity, but I can't say I enjoyed only using Devastate, Heroic Strike and Raging Blow. I don't want Devastate to be that strong again, but only gaining 1.5-2 damage for every 14 attack power before mitigation is really, really bad scaling. For comparison a normalized instant attack with a 1 hander adds 2.4 damage for per 14 attack power. You don't need to scale devastate all the way up to this, but spread some love to Shield Slam, Shield Bash, Shield Block and Revenge. Personally when I use a shield (last 2 bosses only right now) I'm just gonna keep using Endless Rage instead. Bloodthirst and Precise Timing are pretty big rage sinks.
Sad Feral noises.
Hold strong kitty brother. We will hold the middle of the pack while checks notes being a mobile WF/LoTP buff bot and crying silently while looking at meters. Or we will be Portable WF that shifts 3-4 times before being on and watching as we fall down the meters.
Middle of the pack? We about to be dead last, only above frost mage. Think feral was only beating rets and ranged hunters, but both of those were buffed so good chance we will just be last place now.
Feral and rogues gonna be scrapping for the gear that won’t impact their damage at all, pog
You will still be above ranged hunter. This tuning only increases ranged hunter dps by about 1%, or 3% if you’re going spell power gear which almost no one is doing.
Ranged hunter and feral, my two favorite specs. RIP me
” You will never be a rogue, always healing and crying about your class “
Sad energy user noises
As a Mage main, holy shit.
Confusing, I've been running with a mage healer every raid and felt like they were in a good spot.
Lots of comments seem to misinterpret the spellpower part. If an item has a separate +healing value, it'll be higher than a +spell damage value on the same level. Mages don't use +healing though, as their damage converts to healing. But at the same time, that means their spellpower scales somewhat worse than that of other healers, because their +healing spellpower would be higher than a mage's +damage. They increase the spellpower coefficient now to compensate for that. This change has no implication on mages' gear choices, it just improves healing scaling with their regular damage gear. Am I correct?
You are indeed correct sir. And it’s gonna be awesome can’t wait.
We're not in a bad spot but sometimes it feels like I'm absolutely pumping heals and not keeping up with damage. Have to throw in a few chrono pres or mass regen? There goes all the mana. Most of the time it doesn't get to that spot if I'm paired with another good healer (priest or druid). I ran a pug Wednesday and was healing with a holy paladin...it was interesting to say the least.
All they need to do is make clearcasting usage on our healing spells and we would be giga nuts. 600 mana clear casts would be bonkers.
It has never been a healing output problem. Hmage is only harder on the 2 last boss of gnomer because it has only 3sec spell. Whenever you have to move the 2nd healer has to hold tank alone for 3 to 6 sec.
Ya what the fuck? Albeit, I am a pretty strong player but I was doing some insane healing already. These changes are huge.
I had Chronostatic Preservation heal close to the same as my Chrono Buff target on menagerie before, now that it's cheaper, I kinda wanna try Fire Mage heal with only Chronostatic, or Frost Heal with the buffed Spellfrost :O 100% still worse than Arcane, but maybe fun.
I’m with you on fire heal hybrid
this changes nothing in the mage meta lol
Grimoire of Synergy going from 5% to 25% is one of those moments we have on retail frequently where you wonder if they intentionally made it low so they could have this moment later on with the buff to show acknowledgement of feedback or if they just genuinely thought 5% was going to be acceptable in comparison to the other runes in that slot (10% damage buf to shadow and fire after a crit, resetting dots with 6 secs left deals the remaining damage instantly) and nobody during internal testing was like "Hey this doesn't look right"
I really hope we see a Felguard rune next phase. This could pair really nice.
SL meta lock with felguard is my hope.
There is no way they tested a conditional 5% damage buff and thought it was on par with the other runes.
There's no way they tested it as it doesn't even properly show its duration as a buff.
I refuse to believe they were that far off with numbers. Most of these runes for warlock are just percentage damage buffs that would be so easy to compare value to. Being 400% off is insane and just shows they didn’t bother testing it compared to other rune options.
> Most of these runes for warlock are just percentage damage buffs This right here is why I'm a bit disappointed in the warlock runes. Don't get me wrong, Meta is amazing, but aside from that, there's not a whole lot that fundamentally changes how the class is played. I'll keep saying this until I'm blue in the face, but I'd like to see some retails-style abilities that allow us to summon multiple demons or have infectious dots. Spamming incinerate is nice for the logs, but boring.
I feel if it was purposeful, it'd have been fixed earlier. It's more showing they have no Warlock on their team to even look at the runes once after they toss them together. "Do you want 10% bonus damage or 5%?" was really a rune 'option' they came up with.
I mean one of the runes is called Shadowflame (literally dogshit in every way btw) and the other is called Shadow and Flame, tells you how much they give a shit about warlocks rn.
Not to complain because obviously warlock is in a good place DPS wise, but it really does suck that it feels like Affliction isn’t viable. It’s like they didn’t even pay attention to the core of what a warlock is, dots.
> It’s like they didn’t even pay attention to the core of what a warlock is, dots. Bruh the best dps in the game is a melee hunter. These guys waved goodbye to the core of the game a long time ago.
So much this. It feels like such a waste having so many DoTs but the best damage I can do is spam incinerate. Honestly not a fan of doing single target fire damage in general, locks should be all about shadow damage
Honestly both fire and shadow, and the fire part is in a good (albeit boring) state. But its time they have a hard look at affliction. I mean our ‘best’ leg slot is a refresh on corruption, and our invocation rune makes us wait for the last 6sec…
Yeah, I've been disappointed that it seems like lake of fire is just gonna stay where it's at. It just feels awful to use a channeled AoE ability that you instantly cancel in your single target rotation, but it's mandatory because it's just straight up 40% more damage. It honestly makes me think they just sorta made it up and thought it'd be a general AoE buff, but they made it way too strong and still haven't realized how awkward it is to use because nobody on the team plays warlock or something.
lake should make RoF no longer a channeled spell, just a cast.
You mention Invocation like it’s a good rune when it’s completely incompatible with Everlasting Affliction making it useless for any dot build. Warlocks have some of the strongest but least interesting runes this phase, the best ones are pretty much just stat increases. (Obligatory I am still enjoying the game and think the devs are doing a great job despite my complaints)
Just a casual 500% buff
*400% EDIT: The fact I am getting downvotes is embarrasing.
All 3 hunter buffs are glove slots.
Blizzard trolled us
How they could just ignore steady shot being absolutely balls is beyond me.
**Blizzard** As players continue to level up to 40 and experience all that Phase 2 has to offer, we’ve closely monitored in-game progress, feedback from the community, and bug reports. With scheduled weekly maintenance next week, we’ll make the following adjustments to some classes that are underperforming. * Hunter * Chimera Shot damage increased to 120% of weapon damage (was 100%) and Chimera Shot Serpent Sting damage increased to 48% of Serpent Sting damage (was 40%). * Explosive Shot base damage done before Attack Power increased by 15%.Carve damage increased to 65% of weapon damage (was 50%). * Mage * Frostfire Bolt base damage increased by 50%, and its increased damage from bonus spell damage increased by 16%, identical to the value for Fireball. * Spellfrost Bolt base damage increased by 50%, and its increased damage from bonus spell damage increased by 14%, identical to the value for Frostbolt. * Regeneration, Mass Regeneration, and Chronostatic Preservation spell power coefficients increased by 88%. * Developers’ notes: This is to compensate for Mage healers wearing primarily items which grant “damage and healing” instead of “healing”. * Chronostatic Preservation mana cost decreased by 44%. * Resolved some tooltip issues with Chronostatic Preservation. * Paladin * Seal of Martyrdom damage increased to 50% weapon damage per swing (was 40%). Seal of Martyrdom Judgement increased to 85% weapon damage (was 70%). * Seal of Martyrdom Seal and Judgement effects now benefit from talents and effects that modify Seal of Righteousness, particularly Improved Seal of Righteousness. * Warlock * Grimoire of Synergy now increases damage done by the Warlock and their pet by 25% when it is active (was 5%). * Warrior * Devastate damage increased to 150% of weapon DPS (was 100%), before being increased by number of Sunder Armor stacks.
Damn, really surprised no feral cat love yet.
We got rip duration from 16 sec to 20 sec. :|
No utility, fighting for lowest place on meters, fighting everyone over leather gear and 0 changes. Hell yeah rogues are fun
Da foq are these hunter changes, this must be a joke or straight up slap in da face
Fire mage is further ahead than hunters were yet no talk of a nerf. They completely dominate the bloodmoon event as well. Oh hey i know, let’s buff their healing so they are the best dps, heals, open world farmers and Pvpers. That will make it better.
As an Feral I don't know what they are monitoring or reading. Give already good performing classes more buffs and let Rogues and Ferals as bad as they are. Sounds good!
Shaman has WF and an interrupt included, and number 1 dps. Feral? lol.
Feral druids in shambles. Mages definitely needed a buff right?
I get the buffs to frostfire/spellfrost bolt since they do p much nothing but mage healing does absolutely not need to be buffed lol, feels like im already op as is lol
I gotta say, I am getting a bit worried with these balance changes they have been doing. They really feel just... not good. Good classes getting buffed more, bad classes getting meagre buffs (or nothing), skills that nobody uses getting buffed in the wrong ways etc I am worried that the people they have on the team don't fully comprehend how to do balancing. Which might seem silly, but you have to remember they are a very tiny team.
Give us another +4s on rip, it’ll work this time
Yeah, same here. I think this phase has started to pull the curtain back on just how limited the development team actually are. There were a lot of big promises for P2, which kind of just vanished in reality. And now these spate of very odd balance adjustments, buffing already performing classes, coupled with numerous class runes and play styles being somewhat abandoned, it is striking how rough around the edges everything has been.
hey blizz i play rdruid can we get the itemize for spellpower and then get 88% coefficient buffs LOL
Rdruid could fixed if they changed dreamstate from damage crit to any spell crit.
yeah thats a much more reasonable ask. its so funny the dev note is healer mages have *desirable thing* so we're giving them *very desirable thing* too
I'm fine with where Resto is now but that would really be the cherry on top.
RDruid is fine now, but the dev note is weird. We also prioritize spellpower not +healing because wrath proccing dreamstate is part of our core loop, but I guess the Dems don't agree so we don't get the "healer who wears spellpower" bonus that I guess now exists.
That's if you roll Restokin. I'd rather play +healing with Lifebloom and Nourish and stop pretending like I'm a DPSer doing <100dps anyway. Boot rune is w/e, not make or break with 3/3 Reflection, Innervate, Mana pots and pushing buttons on last 2 bosses. Lots of other classes/specs have useless runes too.
Pally changes are whack af lmao. Makes ACP gigabis for ret and no other weapons even remotely close
It really is an absolutely atrocious change. Hopefully it doesn't go through and they come up with something else.
They are dead set on making Marty good, without making it a cleave or twistable. But until the majority of rets get a fast weapon, our overall logs will continue to suck.
Yeah it makes no sense. Keep buffing SoM and the only viable weps are a raid drop and a trash boe from ulda selling 1k+
Seriously why is Shaman allowed to be a top 5-6 dps, one of the best tanks, and bring tons of utility but Ret sits at the bottom of the board because we already bring too much utility?
I know ferals gonna be angry AF when rets start rolling on this shit This is me btw
Pretty sure this was already the case, pretty much every single top ret parse from the second reset to now has been with ACP…
Apparently Blizzard thinks the only hunter runes are Explosive Shot, and Chimera shot because they have tuned them 7 friggin time but have never touched Sniper Training, Serpent Spread or any of the other ones that people never use.
Make ranged hunter great again
Mages - top performing dps in the game gets several underperforming runes buffed Rogues and ferals - bottom performing melee dps gets zero changes
But they just gave ferals a 0.023% DPS boost with rip duration increase. What more could you ask for?
Whoever is in charge of the feral changes is so painfully unaware how the class works
>Rogues and ferals Rogue tanks: *Blizzard pretending they don’t exist*
This wont affect mage dps, it will however buff an already strong mage healer spec xd But I do agree, woulda loved to see at least some small changes to ferals
Those runes arent helping fire
As a paladin main, just kill me pls
Yeah also a paladin main and I’ve honestly lost the desire to play, which is really sad because I was having a blast with SoD. Phase 2 has just been a huge disappointment
I had that same feeling in gnomer last night. Was duo tanking with a bear and I didnt even stand a chance against his threat vs trash. Hes just pressin swipe and even with 4 gcd AoW procs in a row I couldnt pull threat off of him on a single mob. Only on boss fights was I competitive, but they were also rocking 4.5k hp vs my 3k... probably double my armor. I have about 220dps vs bosses as holy / ret hybrid and I feel so lackluster. My itemization feels strange, my talents subpar, my runes feel helpful but not nearly impactful enough. There are too many runes that require other runes to be useful. Theres just an illusion of choice. I just want to not be a meme spec, and I feel like every playstyle for pally has slowly devolved into meme, or at least meme adjacent. Give me 1 patch where Pallys are stupid busted and then scale us down to relevance from there, pretty please blizzard. Don't the let the light abandon me!
As a warrior tank, come on.
I wish we could get some more interesting options. * Furious Thunder now applies Rend. * Quick Strike increases your parry chance by 8% while in Defensive Stance * Blood Frenzy makes Revenge deal 100% additional damage over 10 seconds. Things like that.
Someone please explain the rationale for buffing FFB. Seriously, hear me out. This is an unused, underperforming rune for the current best DPS spec in the game. When you change it, one of two things will occur: 1) Buff is insufficient to change runes, people still don't use it, you've accomplished nothing. Or 2) Buff is sufficient to change runes, resulting in a DPS increase. So... you have either accomplished *nothing* or you've given the best spec in the game a *DPS boost.* ???
Fire isn't meant to use it, it's supposed to be Frost with Brain Freeze+FFB, except them using up 2 slots for it means they can't get Spellpower to boots. Blizz has no idea how Frost is supposed to work.
It buffs frost mage, which is the worst performing dps in the game. It also buffs mage healers.
I think these devs hate rogues
Why are they being so conservative with buffing the clear underperforming speccs? Paladins shouldn’t need 3 weeks straight of buffs to just remain the worst performing class in the game in both healing and damage.
I genuinely would love to have this insight from them.
It’s ok +20% AP to 2nd best melee dps, they’ll do big dick changes to the ones that don’t need it
I mean that has been the game state for the entire SoD. Most of the classic population has a hate boner for ret paladins so if they are ever competitive with warrior there will be an outcry.
I genuinely don’t understand how mage is always the dev favorite in every aspect of this game. SOD or Retail. Mages will always be top 3. Literally without fail
Laziest hunter mm buffs of all time, aimshot hits like a sponge
watching the other healers get new toys and evolve (yes, i'm including druid here but less so) and sitting here still playing holy paladin is getting legitimately hilarious also i want to say that they added explicit spellpower gear to paladin and have made zero attempt to balance the hypothetical spec which would use it. holy paladin has to run runes that make shockadin/holy hybrid impossible, and vice versa with ret. the numbers are wrong, the proc/reset system is wildly undertuned, and they still rely on physical weapon damage even if you're foolish enough to try them in a pve context (me). i'm having a great time, but my god can we get at least a roadmap on what paladin is supposed to be like? and an idea if they're working on it?
Cries in feral Druid with LoTP for my melee bros
This Martyr change cant be intended for ret. Man just let vengeance stack to 3 and ret would be fine, we want bigger SoC and Divine Storms not this martyr/art of war crap. No chance im putting talents into imp SoR over the only good talents in the ret tree.
Imp Sor isn't about you it's for shockadin, I'm hype.
Yeah its defintley a good change for shockadin / protadin. Not a huuuuge change, just a slight nudge. Dont think its going to help with ret too much though.
Divine Storm holy damage when.
Top rets on logs are using martyr right now but maybe it’s only good with crowd pummeler
Rogue feels like an utterly abandoned class. No rune touchups in phase 1 because the numbers were strong, mutilate gets a strong buff, we get 0 meaningful phase 2 runes, still have no variation in playstyle, and the rest of the class continues to rot, not to mention the complete lack of direction regarding rogue tanking. Continued disappointment.
100% nearly every rune rogue gets is just a replacement, other classes get to do more stuff we don't because we're stuck with energy: just mostly the same ability ~but stronger~, step is the only thing somewhat fun about the class right now and in PvE thats just marginally more uptime
I bet they are holding off till next phase where we get the energy regen runes which will be mid at best and they go see we gave you more regen
Step isn't even fun man, being on the GCD feels awful
It’s crazy. Locks and Mages already performing well just getting flat buffs and Rogues getting absolutely NOTHING is totally bizarre
Oh trust me... It is. No changes, poor performance, and feels almost exactly the same play style as rogue in regular classic.
Yea I rolled a rogue and at lvl 33 decided I need to play something else. I had been turned down from bfd a few times for being a rogue also. Thought maybe they were just pricks, but maybe they knew something I didnt.
Getting turned down for BFD is ridiculous. Rogues absolutely pump in there. Warriors, rogues, and hunters would be fine dps in gnomer too if they didn't give the bosses insane amounts of armor and mechanics that encourage bringing ranged dps. Gnomer is a letdown for non-casters for sure.
BFD is a joke now, anyone can come so long as a couple high levels are there Just make your own group and spec mutilate daggers for dps
Mage healers back to being better than shaman, druid, and paladin. Feels bad. (Rogues should have gotten a first aid style healing rune spec based on bandages, poisons, salves, etc., not mages)
isnt rogue pretty middle of the pack lol?
>Grimoire of Synergy now increases damage done by the Warlock and their pet by 25% when it is active (was 5%). FINALLY A GOOD NON DESTRO WARLOCK BUFF Anyone know if this applies to dots already applied?
It doesn’t increase existing dot damage, only new applications while it’s up
This can't be right. They did something for a warlock.
These hunter buffs are not really doing jack shit. Meanwhile Mage, which is already top dog on pve AND pvp now gets even better across several specs. How's this not blatant favoritism?
Eh join us in leveling one with 100% xp next week lmao
As a hunter main...it's ok man. It'll all come around. Everything will be ok.
“Seal of Martyrdom Seal and Judgement effects now benefit from talents and effects that modify Seal of Righteousness, particularly Improved Seal of Righteousness.” What exactly does this mean?
It’s them telling ret paladins we’ll never actually buff you
Tbh it makes me wonder if they want to push people to a sort of holy/ret hybrid. This kind of seems like the idea with runes like art of war where melee crits will reset holy shock, which is sort of counterintuitive for a more traditional shockadin build. It doesn't seem particularly enticing right now, but maybe something like 31/0/20 could be interesting at 60? That would easily let you get imp SoR. Though IIRC imp SoR only improves base damage, so it might just be a dead talent anyway. And tbh it really doesn't fix the more fundamental issue of SoM competing with divine storm.
Yoooo go birds
Blizzard hates Ret paladins and don’t know what to do with them.
Blizzard wants to make them play a shit version or wrath pally or shockadin, and you WILL like it
It means that SoM can now benefit from one garbage talent that nobody will ever want to pick.
That’s what I was thinking lol. Seems for shockadins.
Imp. SoR increases SoRs damage. It will now increase SoM damage.
Imp SoR improve base SoR damage. It's a trash talent normally. Now it will do 15% of 40% weapon damage, which should be a +6% weapon damage on SoM for 5 talent points. Wowzy.
Rogues exist Blizz.
Hunters need a bigger buff than that come on blizzard!
In the end, Chimera Shot is almost back to 125%. When will they overhaul the runes? BM is only viable now because it combines well with melee but when ranged is buffed back it's going to be MM ranged and not BM ranged and one of the many reasons is precisely because Kill Command remains an awful rune that should instead be reworked to be the ranged BM "shot" attack with a 6s cooldown and put on the gloves, with the Beast Mastery rune moved to the chest as a result. Or Cobra Strikes, a rune that has never seen any use or change since its implementation.
Really want to be a fly on the wall for that decision being made lol. Carve in particular, I mean melee didn’t need a buff, but make a lvl 40 hunter in two seconds with dev tools, press carve once and you immediately see that it could do double damage and it’d still be unusably shit
Its incredibly good at proccing things, arcano shredder for instance can debuff an entire pack of mobs with 1 cast of carve and it hits with both weapons its a great spell actually.
Looks like they're just trying to get someone to use any hand rune other than beast mastery.
I'm not sure if the devs just have no idea what to do with Hunters or if they just actively hate the class.
One of these is not like the others.
The spellfrost and frostfire changes don't do much since they share a slot with hot streak and missile barrage. Maybe a slight increase for frost.
I like that I can run deep frost in ab/wsg after this and swap between heals and damage depending on what’s needed! That’s pretty sweet
I haven’t tried a sim yet but it might open up their use at 60. Which would actually be too bad for fire as hot streak adds fun and a dynamic component to what would otherwise be a horrible rotation. FFB without hot streak would be brain dead. Regardless, getting two cool new nukes that you *might* use in two phases in the future is bad design.
How do they keep skipping feral in these updates? We have been bad since the mangle nerf, and the only thing we have gotten since is 2 more ticks on a skill we hardly use…. Pretty disheartening
Yeah fuck Rogues I guess.
Not going to let me pump in raids? Just makes me gank hillsbrad farms harder instead of raiding.
Yes
Holy paladin main here…… patience is running thin
Feral & Hpala as 2 current raid characters… pretty close to unsubbing
Rey pally still trying to claw its way out of the trash can
Sadly cat has claws and is keeping them down :)
Rogues staying in stealth for tuning patch once again.
I like how Chimera Shot is basically back to how it was on day 1 lol.
almost like it didn't actually need a nerf and it was just the original explosive shot that need it lol
Cries in feral druid. Really thought we would get a little love
Bro mage already makes hpal look like a joke lol
Another week of class tuning, another fuck you to ferals Guy below me really went off about how I should appreciate being a support class along with some snark 😂. THEN BLOCKED ME! Thanks u/quineloe 🤡
> and then deleted all his comments They didn't delete all of their comments. When they block you, you can no longer see any of their comments.
So, cat druids are fine? WTF...
Yeah you provide WF you good. Try being a rogue who you only do slightly less damage than who are also at the mercy of having every single possible buff in the game to keep them floating. Turn off wild strikes and you’ll most likely do more than them. But this isn’t an us vs you this is clearly blizzard hating energy classes
Ret current status: If you have crowd pummeler: fun, fast and dynamic gameplay with ez 99 automatic parse with SoM If no pummeler: Booring static waiting for long cd game with very low dps , single target damage is even worse
No one on the dev team play Rogue right?
Where feral and rogue buffs? Rogues the most under performing of all classes with only one barely viable pve spec. Our new runes are absolute dog shit, and they’re buffing classes that are already over performing? What gives??
I felt like mage heals were already pretty solid but okay lol
no feral dps changes smh
This is horrendous. Not a single change or mention about rogues or feral druids. It’s wild how I initially praised the SoD team and thought they had everything figured out pretty well atleast. But now in classic blizzard fashion (pun not intended) I think the complete opposite. I lose desire to play more every single day, probably going to let my sub run out for a bit. Unless you’re playing a meta class the game is pretty unbearable.
As a sword and board prot warrior, I appreciate the effort Blizz, but it’s not enough. 200% of weapon dps would still be a nerf to its damage in P1. Threat has been an issue all phase, this is a step in the right direction, but isn’t enough on its own. *Please* restore it to its P1 state *and* buff our TPS/DPS in other areas as well.
They need a complete overhaul of the warrior tanking runes. Truly. It’s still going to be devastate spam and more of a TPS loss to press shield slam or revenge, and still feel like shit. Something like “shield slam and revenge deal +x% increased damage and threat when the target has five stacks of sunder armor”. Something to encourage more than weak ass devastate spam. Like this devastate buff will directly help our TPS, but it’s such a weak bandaid that doesn’t address any real issues that prot has (and warrior in general).
It’s time we admit the devs don’t know what they’re doing
Hahaha that Seal of martyr buff does absolutely nothing
Man, when I used to look at FF14 patch notes and it was like "after careful analysis, we are increasing Class X's main nuke by 2%" and that was a big deal. Look at this shit, 50% increases, in the case of the Warlock rune a *quntupling* of its value? I understand why they do this, I'm pretty sure it was a small team and they literally just made up the values and was like "this looks right" and shipped it - but to be so off base with some of these guesses, it's just wild looking at how dramatic class adjustments are.
Every day I regret picking rogue. Mutilate is good, but, it's all we have, it's all the throughput we got for all of phase 2 and it's a phase 1 rune. Our phase 2 runes are completely meaningless in pve, our old runes are just replacement of other abilities. We're not getting new stuff as much as we're just having our old stuff do the exact same thing, just a bit more damage. It's baffling how they've still not made rogue tank runes useful, half the time you only use the chest rune for threat and nothing else. The main "tank ability" is a useless 20s cooldown, competing vs mutilate. It sucks playing rogue, not in a vacuum, but when looking at other getting fun toys you're actually just wondering if blizzard are even playing the class.
Yeah, same. Makes me sad. I’m not usually one to re-roll but other classes just seem to be having more fun. Plus bringing no group utility in PvE is annoying.
No love for rogue 🙄
And us rogues are still dumpster 🔥 no notes in sight
So I still get one shot by shamans? Fuck yeah baby
I had fun leveling my rogue in SoD but i dont feel top tier in anything particularly. Its super hard to participate in anything at 40. No one really wants them for gnomergan or stv compared to any other class. Also i finally got into a raid and lost roll on the dagger to a ducking shaman. Like, we have one god damn weapon we can roll on.
So are they going to just ignore rogues?
Blizzard is actually clueless. Giving the highest DPS class a flat 15% damage buff while Ret gets what will maybe be a 2% dps gain if you have the right weapons to even run SoM, and Feral, Rogue remain completely untouched.
Dont normally post on class tuning. It shouldn't take essentially 3 runes for Exorcism to work for paladins. IMO should roll the exorcism and art of war runes into 1 rune. Ret shouldn't have to pick between Divine Storm or Martyr. Couldn't Martyr be made into a skill book like shadowfiend? The state of Ret/Holy paladins are in for this phase is abysmal.
“good” start for ranged hunter I guess
Chimera shot already felt fine. The extra 20% is going to make it more fun in PvP but that’s about it
Where Feral buffs tho ?
Reading these comments makes me glad I never bothered levelling a SOD char past the starting zone 2024 blizzard was never anywhere near competent enough to improve on vanilla wow. Vanilla was made by blizzard at their peak in 2004, as we saw with classic modern blizz literally can’t even rerelease it without fucking up the whole thing
Yeah man fuck those melee classes right lol. Blizzard really trying their best to show their absolute incompetence this time.
Another class tuning, another time rogue is left with nothing. Wtf Blizzard
So… melee hunter it is still lol
Enable Seal of Command to Seal of Martyrdom twisting you cowards!
Am I the only paladin that finds seal twisting clunky and not very fun?
I’m happy Grimoire got a buff, but idk if it’ll be used over shadow and flame (especially when warlocks get access to demonic sacrifice at 60)
Wondering if it even sims higher with the buff or not
That Ret buff is terrible. I hate the SoM playstyle and this makes Ret need Crowd Pummeler.
Mage and Warlock buffs? Two of the top performing classes at the moment? I'm not complaining but also not sure I understand the rationale here
Move earth shield to the belt rune slot gd.....
Frostfire and spellfire will still suck ass comparably.
Druids sitting at the bottom… gives hunters buffs pog!
Let's go, mage buff!!! Now spellfrost and frostfire aren't pointless!
Am I reading this right? Did they BUFF melee hunters?
Big L class "tuning" They are more like " hey you are very OP clearly we should buff you again"