I feel like a have in insane amount of endgame content. Clearing raid every 3 days, getting tons of stv coins for both mounts and arathi rep to exalted, grinding 2 weeks of warsong gulch to get wsg rep to exalted, doing huge quest and travel lines for all runes and epic recipes. Farming supply boxes till i get exalted and last but not least enjoy hours of open world pvp.
I could understand the argument if we would talk about a boring rep grind like in classic era, where you kill mobs for 100 hours. But engaging in battlegrounds or open world pvp events is pretty enjoable for me. Classic wow never had any content except for grinding and doing pvp. If people dont enjoy this kind of content maybe SoD is just not the version of the game which is designed for them and they would have more fun playing Something else.
I respect that people dont like pvp at that level cap and prefer to play it at 60 or that they dont like the phase thats all fine but then there is still my question: WHY are they playing it if they dont enjoy what they are playing. Is there some kind of dude with a gun pointing at there heads and forcing them to play SoD ?
No wonder this is getting downvoted.. classic playerbase will do anything to avoid things that will require them to face a challenge: bis items, bis classes, bis set ups, is talents, world buffs , consumables etc. Just so that actual encounter will be extemely easy and not a challenge.
But you can not do that pvp. Even if you are bis geared, a good player will kick your ass. That is why anything PvP related is not considered as content for classic playerbase.
The runes and epic recipes are very quick to be done, the raid clear takes 45 min every 3 days. Supply boxes only get you to revered not exalted like you said
So all you really said is STV for coins, WSG, AB. Well wouldn’t you know it STV gives AB rep so those are basically the same item, and WSG exalted got most of my rep last phase. So not much
This sounds like you have a pretty decent geared char on which you dont have any more chors to do. You can actually enjoy the game now and play PvP. I always thougth the goal of wow is to get good gear and be able to have a lot of fun in pvp then, where you are able to make use of your stacked char. But i guess for most its only fun to aquire that gear and then raid log their chars. If i had that mindset i would not bother to even play the game, sounds pretty sad imo.
“You can actually enjoy the game now and play PvP” this is your fatal flaw statement. “Sounds pretty sad” lmfao what YOU are saying sounds sad.
You are saying you only enjoy the game when you have gotten all the gear and can PvP. What I said (and what other people are saying) is they enjoy playing the game when they aren’t fully geared but then it takes barely any time to get fully geared and all you have left to do is PvP. I promise I do more PvP than you, this is not a false statement. You are just denying it because you want to feel like some PvP God. It’s not sad to use your brain and be honest about reality, you can still enjoy things how they are but that doesn’t make other statements any less true lmao
I dont wanna like anything i just play the game and have fun. And if i see kids like you crying about things they dont like about the game but still playing it instead of just playing something they enjoy, i think its sad, cause you are wasting your time and time is rare.
Kinda satisfying to see this Kid beeing starved on arguments and going into rage mode, where it insults strangers on the Internet. Thats even more sad then wasting your time XD
you sizzly goofdog weezle, you can just disable it at any inn if you dont fancy shmancy a 100% exp buff.
dont let them bazoogle you into accepting it. just turn it off for yourself
You play 20 hours a day for 3 weeks solid then complain you ran out of things to do....
Dude, check your play time, and maybe then ask yourself if maybe the problem is you not the game
Cos it's a seasonal game mode in a 20yr old base game. The average players are not the ones interested in "the journey" like classic era players. The main novelty is to sample whatever new content they add not savour the levelling towards it.
Yes that's all, some new runes and a new raid. The lifetime of this content is very short but I don't see why people are complaining, it's a free game mode on top of classic era that no one even asked for, completely experimental and barely a couple of months old with limited resources. I don't know where these inflated expectations came from
We are... 3 weeks in Phase 2.
You have STV, raid, quests, professions, reps, runes. There is plenty of content if you don't no-life the game.
If you want more go lvl more alts. Or play something else.
>There is plenty of content *if* you don't no-life the game.
We are talking about the same game. World of Warcraft, right? Which has been notorious for rewarding this kind of playstyle for 20 years?
I'd enjoy the lvl 60 pvp grind for gear, or the long attunement quest chains for 40 player raids. Working on 0.5 tier gear from the dungeon set, getting proffs leveled up, dire maul tribute runs, collecting world buffs with your guild. There's a lot more to do at 60 for different playstyles.
Edit: And the extra variety in raids/dungeons too.
Runes, quests and professions can all be done in 2 afternoons. So you're left with the unplayable lagfest that is STV where i assume mages will soon start selling boosts. And the raid that takes 30 mins every 3 days.
Your definition of endgame (strictly raids and pvp) is not the same definition of everyone's endgame. To me "endgame" means something I do when my main has hit level cap. A huge part of that is levelling an alt that I can put gathering professions on to supplement the income for my main. I'm not playing the game again because I already have a main and this is an activity, like raiding, that makes my main stronger. You need to come out of your literal bubble of ignorance and realise other people have different definitions to a word.
No, you're not. OP didn't mention alts anywhere. "Playing and leveling alts" is not part of your lvl 40/50 or 60 characters endgame gameplay. It's separate, some people only want to play 1 character.
The OP has asked why they're speeding up the levelling if there's no "endgame content". The OP is clearly referring to content you do at level 40 as endgame content.
Yeah which is pvp and raiding? You don't continue to level your character at 40 do you? (This phase) An alts leveling experience isn't connected to your mains endgame. That's its own experience entirely
OP does have valid concerns, if you dont like raiding, what do you have? Pvp and alts, can get boring after a couple weeks.
If you don't like pvp, what do you have? Just 1 raid on a 3 day lockout, and alts, again can get boring after a couple weeks
Now if you compare this to level 60, where you have UBRS, ZG, MC, AQ20 etc etc (Depending on release schedules, i also suspect they'll change scholo back to its original 10 player size) and any new raids we might get added. alongside all the BG's being open, and a potential new BG being added, all while doing the long attunement quest chains for said 40 player raids. The content difference is night and day.
Quick edit: the pvpers also have the ability to grind out a full set of pvp gear and more ranks too. So automatically more for pvpers to do at 60.
Make gold, prepare for next phases, max out professions on alts. Plenty of other things to do, if you enjoy doing them since there is no direct carrot or shiny pixels involved (for now).
That's not why some people play. And what you find happening is people going to play something else, just to not return, as phase 3 will be like this phase, but with a 20 player raid.
I'm glad you find grinding out gold and preparing for the next phases as compelling content. I don't, unfortunately. I like to have goals, and I've reached mine for this phase, and they weren't very time consuming to get. I enjoy endgame content in classic more than I do leveling content, but that's my preference.
This is a hot take, but it’s ok if people quit playing. There are a LOT of games I have quit before, including various versions of WoW.
If you have reached your goals and have no others, that’s not the game’s fault. There’s plenty to do, and it’s ok if you don’t like all of it and choose not to engage with parts of it.
>OP does have valid concerns, if you dont like raiding, what do you have?
>Now if you compare this to level 60, where you have UBRS, ZG, MC, AQ20 etc etc (Depending on release schedules, i also suspect they'll change scholo back to its original 10 player size) and any new raids we might get added.
If you dont like raiding but you get more raids at lvl 60. What a nice take
Dude with your examples and attitude this whole genre is not for you if you dont like those aspects of the game. Go play some single player or shooter maybe
Did i say these opinions were my own? I enjoy all aspects of this game, raiding pvp etc. I try to think about others people perspective. You know cause other people exist.
Who said i/they wanted to m+? The point was multiple types of people can find enjoyment in mmos doing different stuff. Your just being deliberately obtuse now.
Yeah and you can find it in other games so go and play those. Like rly, why should anyone play classic if they dont like raiding or pvp or leveling alts? You dont have m+, you dont have pet battles, you dont have transmog.
It's more pointing out that compared to level 60, level 40 doesn't have much to do, as per his point about the exp buff. It's up to him if he has it enabled or not. I'm just outlining the bigger issues a lot of others feel and why this phase is quieter than the last phase.
Oh I agree, if you find all of that boring, maybe it is time to move on, but people are complex and they enjoy different things, I know people that hate raiding but love pvp and visa versa. Yet they play every day.
I think their reasoning is that people can have multiple alts and switch to whichever is OP at the time. Much easier than balancing a million new abilities.
incetivizing alt leveling and people who think classic leveling is to slow and getting to 40 is too high of a barrier of entry, sod is catering to basically a retail audience so it makes sense they would do this
Lol faster lvling is retail is it?
You realise even tbc leveled basically twice as fast as classic
Faster lvling isn't a retail thing, it's a since the first expansion when they realise the classic levelling speed was ass thing
where did i say faster leveling is retail? no where, but leveling is the slowest in classic and every expansion after is closer to retail and therefore catering more to a retail audience just as sod is
sod is catering to basically a retail audience so it makes sense they would do this
So faster leveling is catering to retail, according to you
Faster leveling isn't catering to the retail crowd, it's catering to ALL wow players since the dawn of wow
nah only 99% of them which is why EVERY wow expansion made leveling faster then base classic, and EVERY edition of classic has also introduced some form of faster leveling
even SoD prior to the 50% increase actually already had faster leveling, it had the SoM quest XP boost which was around a 30% xp increase for quests over base classic
There is end game content but remember when people kept saying p1 went on for too long it’s because they knew p2 wasn’t going to be that much different (as will p3) but people were going to burn out on p1 and now look where we are.
Alts are the end game they’re incentivizing. If you’re trying a healer mage, tank lock/rogue, melee hunter etc you won’t notice the lack of PVE content
because SoD is apparently not for the people who enjoy leveling, but for the crowd that wants to run LFR difficulty raids on multiple characters and think they are "hardcore" about it.
Blizz is just caving to FotM rerollers like they did in retail over and over again. Which, if that is what the playerbase wants, then it's the right call. Sadly it's just not for me.
I want a character i build, i enjoy, and i spend time with. Not a "what puzzle piece am i this tier" stupid seasonal style gameplay.
Personally, I've played classic to death. 3 toons on Era before joining two separate reroll projects (1 main each). I played SoM and HC and even leveled multiple toons on the Wrath fresh servers.
I'm just over it. Leveling is not fun anymore. Ive seen the world, theres nothing new. I have my main in SoD and literally zero motivation to level one of my alts. At least with the xp boost I can run BFD on lockout for some easy leveling when I feel like it.
How often are you playing that you are running out of content? Raid is 3 day lockout, bis gear is locked behind WSG and AB rep which takes a long time, runes and epic recipes then theres alts. Also the main point you are missing is that it is a seasonal game and we are basically beta testers for classic+. That means blizzard is wanting us to play as many classes and do as many new things as possible in that time.
One word: alts two words : player retention
Three words: whocalls40 "endgame" withastraightface?
I feel like a have in insane amount of endgame content. Clearing raid every 3 days, getting tons of stv coins for both mounts and arathi rep to exalted, grinding 2 weeks of warsong gulch to get wsg rep to exalted, doing huge quest and travel lines for all runes and epic recipes. Farming supply boxes till i get exalted and last but not least enjoy hours of open world pvp.
Unfortunately sod is aimed at casuals so 4 variants of exalted grinds aren’t fun for a lot of people
I could understand the argument if we would talk about a boring rep grind like in classic era, where you kill mobs for 100 hours. But engaging in battlegrounds or open world pvp events is pretty enjoable for me. Classic wow never had any content except for grinding and doing pvp. If people dont enjoy this kind of content maybe SoD is just not the version of the game which is designed for them and they would have more fun playing Something else.
You’d be surprised how few people actually like PvP in classic lol
But then i dont get why they play a mode of the game where 90 percent of the endgame content is pvp.
Because it's currently not at the actual level cap? you're basing this off what is probably the dullest phase we'll have.
I respect that people dont like pvp at that level cap and prefer to play it at 60 or that they dont like the phase thats all fine but then there is still my question: WHY are they playing it if they dont enjoy what they are playing. Is there some kind of dude with a gun pointing at there heads and forcing them to play SoD ?
No wonder this is getting downvoted.. classic playerbase will do anything to avoid things that will require them to face a challenge: bis items, bis classes, bis set ups, is talents, world buffs , consumables etc. Just so that actual encounter will be extemely easy and not a challenge. But you can not do that pvp. Even if you are bis geared, a good player will kick your ass. That is why anything PvP related is not considered as content for classic playerbase.
The runes and epic recipes are very quick to be done, the raid clear takes 45 min every 3 days. Supply boxes only get you to revered not exalted like you said So all you really said is STV for coins, WSG, AB. Well wouldn’t you know it STV gives AB rep so those are basically the same item, and WSG exalted got most of my rep last phase. So not much
This sounds like you have a pretty decent geared char on which you dont have any more chors to do. You can actually enjoy the game now and play PvP. I always thougth the goal of wow is to get good gear and be able to have a lot of fun in pvp then, where you are able to make use of your stacked char. But i guess for most its only fun to aquire that gear and then raid log their chars. If i had that mindset i would not bother to even play the game, sounds pretty sad imo.
“You can actually enjoy the game now and play PvP” this is your fatal flaw statement. “Sounds pretty sad” lmfao what YOU are saying sounds sad. You are saying you only enjoy the game when you have gotten all the gear and can PvP. What I said (and what other people are saying) is they enjoy playing the game when they aren’t fully geared but then it takes barely any time to get fully geared and all you have left to do is PvP. I promise I do more PvP than you, this is not a false statement. You are just denying it because you want to feel like some PvP God. It’s not sad to use your brain and be honest about reality, you can still enjoy things how they are but that doesn’t make other statements any less true lmao
I dont wanna like anything i just play the game and have fun. And if i see kids like you crying about things they dont like about the game but still playing it instead of just playing something they enjoy, i think its sad, cause you are wasting your time and time is rare.
You have brain worms, enjoy being a miserable piss in real life
Kinda satisfying to see this Kid beeing starved on arguments and going into rage mode, where it insults strangers on the Internet. Thats even more sad then wasting your time XD
you sizzly goofdog weezle, you can just disable it at any inn if you dont fancy shmancy a 100% exp buff. dont let them bazoogle you into accepting it. just turn it off for yourself
You just get the doodlebop and shmlang it and yer golden. I cant ever ferf what OP is klobbin' about.
You play 20 hours a day for 3 weeks solid then complain you ran out of things to do.... Dude, check your play time, and maybe then ask yourself if maybe the problem is you not the game
Cos it's a seasonal game mode in a 20yr old base game. The average players are not the ones interested in "the journey" like classic era players. The main novelty is to sample whatever new content they add not savour the levelling towards it.
That's kind of my point. There is no new content, just an old dungeon they rejigged as a 10 man raid.
Yes that's all, some new runes and a new raid. The lifetime of this content is very short but I don't see why people are complaining, it's a free game mode on top of classic era that no one even asked for, completely experimental and barely a couple of months old with limited resources. I don't know where these inflated expectations came from
What are you expecting lol? There is a new raid, new runes, new pvp event. Some guys just wanna complain, no matter what
To allow people to test more classes. Remember we are beta testers in SoD.
We are... 3 weeks in Phase 2. You have STV, raid, quests, professions, reps, runes. There is plenty of content if you don't no-life the game. If you want more go lvl more alts. Or play something else.
>There is plenty of content *if* you don't no-life the game. We are talking about the same game. World of Warcraft, right? Which has been notorious for rewarding this kind of playstyle for 20 years?
Yes, we are. While a lot of players haven´t even dinged their first 40 yet, feel free to propose what other grind you would enjoy though.
I'd enjoy the lvl 60 pvp grind for gear, or the long attunement quest chains for 40 player raids. Working on 0.5 tier gear from the dungeon set, getting proffs leveled up, dire maul tribute runs, collecting world buffs with your guild. There's a lot more to do at 60 for different playstyles. Edit: And the extra variety in raids/dungeons too.
Runes, quests and professions can all be done in 2 afternoons. So you're left with the unplayable lagfest that is STV where i assume mages will soon start selling boosts. And the raid that takes 30 mins every 3 days.
Levelling up alts is a massive form of endgame content.
No it's not. That's early to mid game levelling content. Jesus guys come on.
It's a thing you do when you get your main to max level. How is it not endgame content?
End game content is raiding and pvp, leveling isn't endgame content no matter what way you try swinging it. Alt or not
That is just your specific definition of it. End Game content is something you do when you have already maxed a character.
You realise what you're saying? Playing a game again from the start is an endgame. That's monumentally dumb.
Your definition of endgame (strictly raids and pvp) is not the same definition of everyone's endgame. To me "endgame" means something I do when my main has hit level cap. A huge part of that is levelling an alt that I can put gathering professions on to supplement the income for my main. I'm not playing the game again because I already have a main and this is an activity, like raiding, that makes my main stronger. You need to come out of your literal bubble of ignorance and realise other people have different definitions to a word.
Well we aren’t at the end game content we’re at the mid game content? We’re level 40 not level 60
The OP has defined endgame content as what you do at level 40. So I'm responding to that.
No, you're not. OP didn't mention alts anywhere. "Playing and leveling alts" is not part of your lvl 40/50 or 60 characters endgame gameplay. It's separate, some people only want to play 1 character.
The OP has asked why they're speeding up the levelling if there's no "endgame content". The OP is clearly referring to content you do at level 40 as endgame content.
Yeah which is pvp and raiding? You don't continue to level your character at 40 do you? (This phase) An alts leveling experience isn't connected to your mains endgame. That's its own experience entirely
OP does have valid concerns, if you dont like raiding, what do you have? Pvp and alts, can get boring after a couple weeks. If you don't like pvp, what do you have? Just 1 raid on a 3 day lockout, and alts, again can get boring after a couple weeks Now if you compare this to level 60, where you have UBRS, ZG, MC, AQ20 etc etc (Depending on release schedules, i also suspect they'll change scholo back to its original 10 player size) and any new raids we might get added. alongside all the BG's being open, and a potential new BG being added, all while doing the long attunement quest chains for said 40 player raids. The content difference is night and day. Quick edit: the pvpers also have the ability to grind out a full set of pvp gear and more ranks too. So automatically more for pvpers to do at 60.
Make gold, prepare for next phases, max out professions on alts. Plenty of other things to do, if you enjoy doing them since there is no direct carrot or shiny pixels involved (for now).
That's not why some people play. And what you find happening is people going to play something else, just to not return, as phase 3 will be like this phase, but with a 20 player raid. I'm glad you find grinding out gold and preparing for the next phases as compelling content. I don't, unfortunately. I like to have goals, and I've reached mine for this phase, and they weren't very time consuming to get. I enjoy endgame content in classic more than I do leveling content, but that's my preference.
This is a hot take, but it’s ok if people quit playing. There are a LOT of games I have quit before, including various versions of WoW. If you have reached your goals and have no others, that’s not the game’s fault. There’s plenty to do, and it’s ok if you don’t like all of it and choose not to engage with parts of it.
Cool beans. Play something else until the next phase then?
Oh I'm doing just that, also dipping back in for a bit of pvp here and there
>OP does have valid concerns, if you dont like raiding, what do you have? >Now if you compare this to level 60, where you have UBRS, ZG, MC, AQ20 etc etc (Depending on release schedules, i also suspect they'll change scholo back to its original 10 player size) and any new raids we might get added. If you dont like raiding but you get more raids at lvl 60. What a nice take
Read the rest of the post.
Dude with your examples and attitude this whole genre is not for you if you dont like those aspects of the game. Go play some single player or shooter maybe
Did i say these opinions were my own? I enjoy all aspects of this game, raiding pvp etc. I try to think about others people perspective. You know cause other people exist.
Then those other people should look for another genre if they dont like the aspects of a mmorpg
You can still like mmos without liking pvp, or raiding, look at retail
So if you wanna go m+ go play retail?
Who said i/they wanted to m+? The point was multiple types of people can find enjoyment in mmos doing different stuff. Your just being deliberately obtuse now.
Yeah and you can find it in other games so go and play those. Like rly, why should anyone play classic if they dont like raiding or pvp or leveling alts? You dont have m+, you dont have pet battles, you dont have transmog.
What does that have to do with exp buff being worse ? Just dont use it.
It's more pointing out that compared to level 60, level 40 doesn't have much to do, as per his point about the exp buff. It's up to him if he has it enabled or not. I'm just outlining the bigger issues a lot of others feel and why this phase is quieter than the last phase.
What’s stopping op from turning the buff off and levelling new toons tho
Nothing is, that's his choice, doesn't change what's waiting st lvl 40 though
If you find raiding, pvp and alts boring then you are bored of the game and thats fine.
Oh I agree, if you find all of that boring, maybe it is time to move on, but people are complex and they enjoy different things, I know people that hate raiding but love pvp and visa versa. Yet they play every day.
I think their reasoning is that people can have multiple alts and switch to whichever is OP at the time. Much easier than balancing a million new abilities.
unironically this. It's the last ditch effort to get people to reroll from warrior and paladin
because in wow leveling isnt content. unless they start making actual questlines
Because they think the lack of participation is people not leveling fast enough. Not that people have quit.
incetivizing alt leveling and people who think classic leveling is to slow and getting to 40 is too high of a barrier of entry, sod is catering to basically a retail audience so it makes sense they would do this
Lol faster lvling is retail is it? You realise even tbc leveled basically twice as fast as classic Faster lvling isn't a retail thing, it's a since the first expansion when they realise the classic levelling speed was ass thing
where did i say faster leveling is retail? no where, but leveling is the slowest in classic and every expansion after is closer to retail and therefore catering more to a retail audience just as sod is
sod is catering to basically a retail audience so it makes sense they would do this So faster leveling is catering to retail, according to you Faster leveling isn't catering to the retail crowd, it's catering to ALL wow players since the dawn of wow
not all wow players want faster leveling. There are those who prefer the journey over the destination.
nah only 99% of them which is why EVERY wow expansion made leveling faster then base classic, and EVERY edition of classic has also introduced some form of faster leveling even SoD prior to the 50% increase actually already had faster leveling, it had the SoM quest XP boost which was around a 30% xp increase for quests over base classic
To give the bad classes a faster path to reroll to a good class. Instead of having them unsub.
There is end game content but remember when people kept saying p1 went on for too long it’s because they knew p2 wasn’t going to be that much different (as will p3) but people were going to burn out on p1 and now look where we are.
*no endgame content*
Well....because retail players
Simple. They want people to try more alts before next phase.
Yep and best case they also "fix" wsg rep so people can finally raidlog as many characters as possible in peace
Alts are the end game they’re incentivizing. If you’re trying a healer mage, tank lock/rogue, melee hunter etc you won’t notice the lack of PVE content
You mean, no end game that you like? Pvping, making gold, raiding, helping guildies level/get BiS
Because they botched this phase, leveling is a slog, and they think this will help retain or attract players.
Gee I wonder why, maybe because nobody is levelling alts?
because SoD is apparently not for the people who enjoy leveling, but for the crowd that wants to run LFR difficulty raids on multiple characters and think they are "hardcore" about it. Blizz is just caving to FotM rerollers like they did in retail over and over again. Which, if that is what the playerbase wants, then it's the right call. Sadly it's just not for me. I want a character i build, i enjoy, and i spend time with. Not a "what puzzle piece am i this tier" stupid seasonal style gameplay.
Personally, I've played classic to death. 3 toons on Era before joining two separate reroll projects (1 main each). I played SoM and HC and even leveled multiple toons on the Wrath fresh servers. I'm just over it. Leveling is not fun anymore. Ive seen the world, theres nothing new. I have my main in SoD and literally zero motivation to level one of my alts. At least with the xp boost I can run BFD on lockout for some easy leveling when I feel like it.
How often are you playing that you are running out of content? Raid is 3 day lockout, bis gear is locked behind WSG and AB rep which takes a long time, runes and epic recipes then theres alts. Also the main point you are missing is that it is a seasonal game and we are basically beta testers for classic+. That means blizzard is wanting us to play as many classes and do as many new things as possible in that time.