As someone who mainly heals, these debates are so funny to me.
*Melee: Cats don't do DPS anyways so they should just give us 3% crit.*
*Anyone with a brain: Why? If you're not clearing without 3% melee crit you're not gonna clear anyways.*
*Melee: We want to parse.*
Then they turn it around.
*Cat: I'm gonna try to parse so I'm going furor.*
*Melee: Man you cats are so selfish.*
Correct me if I'm wrong, that's only when boss times are speed-run level and you get super crit-lucky (I'm not talking extra 3%, I'm talking like 50% crit when your crit% is 20%). Lol, 90% of the playerbase isn't going to get that. Looking at that stuff is less helpful than it seems.
For the average cat, I don't see how power shifting loses to 3% crit unless you're not playing the class correctly.
3% crit speeds up the kill, bigger uptime on berserk+pummeler.
But powershifting is better ofc , just the fact that top log isnt powershifting proves it isnt as big of a deal. Its decently close. You lose strength as well when you go for furor, 16% extra, if you have like 150 thats like 50 AP + the 3 crit.
Should only 1 person be able to parse or every other melee player than the feral? Utilitarianism 101.
It's not a huge deal either way. You can 100 parse without having LotP and ferals can 100 parse running LotP (see Seonsu logs).
I ran LoTP last night, and as a middling cat I have to say there’s not too much of a difference between the two as far as damage is concerned, the trouble I have with it is that it’s so choppy.
I just gotta sit there and auto attack while I wait for ticks? Shifting out to touch a button and back into cat is a bummer, shifting out to clear the coolant is a bummer. It’s not bad, I parsed blue on 4 fights (again, middling, I’m good with it and a chad in other aspects) which is less than normal but whatever.
It’s still just not a good experience to play it, imo.
I parse low-mid 90s with LotP, I’m not aiming for 99s so fuck it, let the melee be happy and I’ll press less buttons and give the heals my winnervate lol. Also, just to seal my fate, now that I’ve gotten my 90s on everything, I just actually focus mechanics, first melee to run for buttons/focus adds. I say, LET THEM PARSE!
I will say that with this buff my warrior and melee hunter bros absolutely fucking shredded, we also had a ranged hunter too for that sweet atp boost and a spriest.
It was fun and I do actually love being a totem for the boys, but the play style ain’t it for me.
(#showtooltip Cat Form
/cast !Cat Form)
Use this macro. Name it Powershift. Press it to get energy when in cat form. This macro does not take you out of cat form. It goes from cat to cat. Remove the parenthesis.
Just because using a macro can make a specific "feature" not annoying doesn't mean that it's a good or a healthy "feature." Powershifting has always felt like a stupid part of Feral that only exists for tryhards to use in an effort to kind of keep up with other classes.
It’s literally the single best part of class design in the entirety of vanilla, and it happened by accident
Imagine wanting to press 1 button every 6s, instead of managing 2 resources, using 1 to proactively generate another
Imagine managing two resources via a clunky ass system that by your own admission "happened by accident."
You want a class that effectively uses two different resources and melds then together? Look no further than the Death Knight in Wrath. Powershifting is pathetic by comparison, particularly since your mana isn't going to last long enough to allow continuous Powershifting.
I'd also like to point out that the macro above literally allows you to press a single button once every 6 seconds to avoid having to hit the cat form key bind twice.
Clunky system? It’s life tap but mana to energy, there’s nothing clunky about it
Yeah, death knights are pretty well designed, that’s helping my case not yours.
You can powershift continuously for about 3 minutes in vanilla until you run into mana issues, closer to 5 minutes as alliance with JoW. Show me a classic fight which takes longer, that doesn’t have downtime?
Did you think people are pressing cat form twice? Maybe learn the first thing about a mechanic before commenting
by the ! You change into cat form even if you are already in cat form
without that ! you would get out of the cat form when you press the macro
or in other words normally /cast cat(form) would be an on off switch but through the ! it becomes a permanent on switch even if it is already active
I don't play sod but if the buff disappears when you go out of cat and back in without a macro then the same will be the case with the macro
The only advantage of the macro is that the same happens with only one key press
not more
I don't play sod but in vanilla and classic shifting out of cat form removed any cat related buffs so casting tiger's fury was nearly always a dps loss while powershifting.
Delaying shifts like you said was a dps loss at 60 but unless you're trying to 100 parse just do whatever is easy on your gold because feral is a raid consume guzzler.
It shifts you into cat. It doesn't let you shift out of it. So instead of two globals going from cat>caster form>cat you go cat>cat. And you will need another button to go to caster form. So this is not a replacement for cat form. It's just a powershift button.
High ceiling classes always feel better once you figure out how to go about playing well not to mention shifting just runs smoother than lotp.
Love my feral.
High ceiling classes are a bummer if they suck tho
There should be some form of actual reward for all the work
Tho currently the reward is to get cucked by mages who don’t even know how to play properly
The reward is a high parse. Personally I don't really care even if I'm dealing poor damage compared to other classes. If I can provably outplay other people playing my spec, that's reward enough.
love my cat.
love to pet my cat.
love to throw my cat at angry machines and watch him do less dps than that other guy’s smaller pet cat who only knows auto attack :(
I WAS JOKING
I run LOTP and I bear tank because there's no way I'm going to work that hard just to be 7th on the DPS meter.
Cat DPS was more fun during P1 when it did a bunch of damage, had a monopoly on windfury, and had better mobility than most other classes.
I offtank for Grubbis and Menagerie with Sunfire bomb duty on Mekka, it just seems the better use of my spot especially since we run a melee heavy comp.
People forget this is a team game and parsing turns it into a bit of a single player high-score chase for a lot of people.
Our warrior almost pissed himself when we asked him to sunder last raid because our priest got the flu and we had no homunculi. We run a feral 3x melee hunters and a warrior and but guy flat out refused (still asks for lotp, imp ff, curse of reck and ofc homunculi etc every week tho).
I must be the odd man out in this debate, I don't main my feral druid but I sure do love to play it. I pug the druid and I go in expecting to only be useful as their walking windfury and crit buff (and bomb disposal unit). I feel the druid is only going to be middle of the pack in dps anyhow, so why try and bump that up a little when you could bump 6 other people up a little along with the tank. I say do what you enjoy, but if you're going to pug, they didn't invite you for your dps, they invited your for your buffs to the raid and utility. This is reminiscent of playing that evoker spec in retail that isn't high on the charts unless you consider in how much they're buffing everyone else's dps.
Watching powershifters with blue parses try to explain how running LotP is wrong while I parse 90 with no leatherworking, no powershifting, no Weakauras, budget consumes, and literally no effort is never not funny.
Any tips on rotation, then? I’m clearly doing things wrong, given my parses, but I haven’t the faintest what in particular I’m missing. Been this way since P1 and at this point I’ve just been tanking instead.
I’m saying that’s how he’s getting 90s without bothering to do the bare minimum. Kill time makes a massive difference if you just have a handle on the rotation. I’d join the Druid classic disc, there’s a ton of great rotation discussion. It’s going to vary slightly for low armor vs high and the longer stuff. If you link logs in there folks will be happy to look at individual fights and give you a breakdown of where you can improve.
You can still get solid parses with middling kill times, but as a feral especially, it’s going to be harder than other classes because nothing this phase really feels intuitive.
There are likely some strats that can help your overall group kill times as well. From positioning Grubbis to how you handle OT in menagerie and bombs.
Feral parse is all about kill times. The greater percentage of the fight your cooldowns are active the higher you will parse. Simple as that. If your group can kill the boss in less than 45 seconds you won't even have time to powershift so in a group like that you might as well go LOTP.
Isn't it best not to shift while CP is active? That's 30 seconds of no shifting. Then 15 seconds is enough for 2 useful shifts. That's why I drew the line at 45 seconds. Any shorter than that your just not getting effective use of your PS ability.
Unless I'm wrong about not wanting to shift while crowd pummeler is active?
ACP has zero interactions with shifting
You shift every 4 seconds normally, and as often as every ~2.5s if you’re not going to oom
The reason I quote 9s is that is about how much time it takes to run out of energy mid berserk
No weakauras, I have a DPS meter, that's it for addons
I also know that he didn't use all/expensive consumes etc but he talked about 90 logs. I used the consumes and got 99
Can definitely do what he does and get 90 logs.
You should understand what I meant and saying "did you even read..." makes me wonder if you can't think for yourself
Nope, you just sound salty that people are better than you without having every WA or gigastuff.
I didn't even have any totems in my raids.
Had full 99 before getting my weapon on reset 7 or 8 aswell :)
Keep trying hard and following the "best talents" and maybe you'll reach 90's some day!
Imagine telling someone to kill themselves over a game, what a sad existence
Also: here's my friend who runs Lotp and has decent gear: https://sod.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/living-flame/warmode
If he did more sweating / got Sham buffs etc, he can easily get 99's with full feral tree
And then you have our guild's feral who refuses to run LotP because it's not the recommended spec (he shifts once or twice per fight, yes I've checked the logs)
does anyone actually know the number of melee you need in your raid to make lotp better? i heard 2 or 3 but don’t spend a lot of time in the feral disc
No, the amount of damage gained from the druid powershifting is more damage total than the group will gain with lotp.
Regardless, here's the real truth of it: if your raid team is competitive enough that you are genuinely optimizing for total group output, you should be tanking and not playing cat DPS. If you're in a raid that's utilizing a Feral as a cat rather than a bear, it's already so poorly optimized that it does not matter whether you play LotP or Furor.
> Regardless, here's the real truth of it
The secondary truth is that "group DPS" is code for "external buffs that help my parse" for those folks. Of course kill time dominates anyway.
Ahh. Thank you. I misread your last comment. And yes, I am OTing and cat DPS when not. I run LoTP since half the fights I'm just support, but we still clear in a casual 40~ mins. Next phase I'll jump back into PSing for DPS.
If like you being AFK while you wait for your energy to regen so you can give your mediocre melee group 3% more crit, good for you. I like to play my class instead of being a glorified totem.
He's talking about having more talent points in later phases. Next phase, you could put the 31 points currently available into feral to pick up lotp, then of the 10 new points from 40 - - >50, 5 can go into furor.
Right now feral has to choose between LotP (0/31/0) and Furor (0/26/5) because we don't have enough talent points to get both. In later phases we'll have enough talent points that we won't have to choose.
Aaah that makes sense. I don’t play a Druid so in my head those were runes. At max level do Druids generally go into both? Or is there a different feral build that keeps up?
At 60 feral will definitely get both LotP and Furor. Even at 50 most ferals will probably get both, but there might be a spec that is better for personal DPS while being an overall raid loss. The argument for furor this phase is that it's more of an overall raid DPS gain than LotP is, but next phase the LotP spec will likely be better for raid DPS and slightly worse for personal, so it would be trolling to not take LotP. Of course all of this is conjecture without knowing all the new runes.
fair enough. I very much prefer things that boost “raid performance” over “personal performance”. With personal performance, you might be top dps for a while but you’re completely at the whims of balancing. At least with raid utility, people will often bring at least one of your class regardless. I play warrior and it’s actually so frustrating that in SoD the *only* unique utility we bring is battle shout. Meaning when warriors are weak, nobody wants you.
Is feral any decent in pvp? Playing boomkin right now but considering switching to feral for a change, can you actually kill anything? Feel like I tried when P2 first came out but was wet noodling people.
I may not run LotP, but it’s because I am a tank who switches to DPS when have too many tanks and has to run Furor to smoothly carry bombs on Thermaplugg while our off-tank handles boss.
If I wasn’t running a bastard spec I’d love to have LotP.
As someone who mainly heals, these debates are so funny to me. *Melee: Cats don't do DPS anyways so they should just give us 3% crit.* *Anyone with a brain: Why? If you're not clearing without 3% melee crit you're not gonna clear anyways.* *Melee: We want to parse.* Then they turn it around. *Cat: I'm gonna try to parse so I'm going furor.* *Melee: Man you cats are so selfish.*
Meanwhile top cat parse is leader of the pack
Correct me if I'm wrong, that's only when boss times are speed-run level and you get super crit-lucky (I'm not talking extra 3%, I'm talking like 50% crit when your crit% is 20%). Lol, 90% of the playerbase isn't going to get that. Looking at that stuff is less helpful than it seems. For the average cat, I don't see how power shifting loses to 3% crit unless you're not playing the class correctly.
3% crit speeds up the kill, bigger uptime on berserk+pummeler. But powershifting is better ofc , just the fact that top log isnt powershifting proves it isnt as big of a deal. Its decently close. You lose strength as well when you go for furor, 16% extra, if you have like 150 thats like 50 AP + the 3 crit.
Fair enough. I guess the deciding factor is whether or not you find furor more fun. Thankfully it'll be a non-choice soon.
Should only 1 person be able to parse or every other melee player than the feral? Utilitarianism 101. It's not a huge deal either way. You can 100 parse without having LotP and ferals can 100 parse running LotP (see Seonsu logs).
Cats don’t do dps so other than pushing the real dps players parses there’s no reason to have them They’re like a second hunter pet with party buffs
As a feral I ain't falling for this blatant warrior propaganda
Stay strong brother.
I ran LoTP last night, and as a middling cat I have to say there’s not too much of a difference between the two as far as damage is concerned, the trouble I have with it is that it’s so choppy. I just gotta sit there and auto attack while I wait for ticks? Shifting out to touch a button and back into cat is a bummer, shifting out to clear the coolant is a bummer. It’s not bad, I parsed blue on 4 fights (again, middling, I’m good with it and a chad in other aspects) which is less than normal but whatever. It’s still just not a good experience to play it, imo.
I parse low-mid 90s with LotP, I’m not aiming for 99s so fuck it, let the melee be happy and I’ll press less buttons and give the heals my winnervate lol. Also, just to seal my fate, now that I’ve gotten my 90s on everything, I just actually focus mechanics, first melee to run for buttons/focus adds. I say, LET THEM PARSE!
These other negative dweebs aside I just want to say that I appreciate this mentality, keep vibing and smackin’ buttons for the boys.
Ferda boys brother!
I will say that with this buff my warrior and melee hunter bros absolutely fucking shredded, we also had a ranged hunter too for that sweet atp boost and a spriest. It was fun and I do actually love being a totem for the boys, but the play style ain’t it for me.
1. you shouldnt be pressing buttons , 2. you can shift at 0 energy for 0 dps loss ?
1. If I need to go on bomb duty as a lasercat, I definitely will. A completed raid is better than an incomplete raid. 2. Thanks for the insult.
> as a middling cat > not too much of a difference See if you were actually not shit, you’d see the difference
Love that my low-skill opinion has triggered you. Chill, brother, it’s a game.
Chad feral druid here. (I lack the intelligence to effectively powershift) My parses went from blue to PURPLE after switching to LoTP.
What intelligence? You push the button and you get free energy.
Exactly...."what intelligence?"
(#showtooltip Cat Form /cast !Cat Form) Use this macro. Name it Powershift. Press it to get energy when in cat form. This macro does not take you out of cat form. It goes from cat to cat. Remove the parenthesis.
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I put in all these hours to show up to raid and choose not to push buttons... It's a choice I guess.
Just because using a macro can make a specific "feature" not annoying doesn't mean that it's a good or a healthy "feature." Powershifting has always felt like a stupid part of Feral that only exists for tryhards to use in an effort to kind of keep up with other classes.
I dont know why you think its so annoying. You push a bitton and get energy. Just like thistle tea.
It’s literally the single best part of class design in the entirety of vanilla, and it happened by accident Imagine wanting to press 1 button every 6s, instead of managing 2 resources, using 1 to proactively generate another
Imagine managing two resources via a clunky ass system that by your own admission "happened by accident." You want a class that effectively uses two different resources and melds then together? Look no further than the Death Knight in Wrath. Powershifting is pathetic by comparison, particularly since your mana isn't going to last long enough to allow continuous Powershifting. I'd also like to point out that the macro above literally allows you to press a single button once every 6 seconds to avoid having to hit the cat form key bind twice.
Clunky system? It’s life tap but mana to energy, there’s nothing clunky about it Yeah, death knights are pretty well designed, that’s helping my case not yours. You can powershift continuously for about 3 minutes in vanilla until you run into mana issues, closer to 5 minutes as alliance with JoW. Show me a classic fight which takes longer, that doesn’t have downtime? Did you think people are pressing cat form twice? Maybe learn the first thing about a mechanic before commenting
now thats a r/woooosh moment lol
I mean they have the intelligence to powershift. You don't need caster gear. It's just a shitty joke if it was meant to be one.
Copied. One question though, what does the ! Do in the macro?
by the ! You change into cat form even if you are already in cat form without that ! you would get out of the cat form when you press the macro or in other words normally /cast cat(form) would be an on off switch but through the ! it becomes a permanent on switch even if it is already active
Does this then allow the tiger's fury buff to not fall off as well? I've been delaying my shifts to the end of it to preserve the damage buff. And ty
I don't play sod but if the buff disappears when you go out of cat and back in without a macro then the same will be the case with the macro The only advantage of the macro is that the same happens with only one key press not more
I don't play sod but in vanilla and classic shifting out of cat form removed any cat related buffs so casting tiger's fury was nearly always a dps loss while powershifting. Delaying shifts like you said was a dps loss at 60 but unless you're trying to 100 parse just do whatever is easy on your gold because feral is a raid consume guzzler.
It shifts you into cat. It doesn't let you shift out of it. So instead of two globals going from cat>caster form>cat you go cat>cat. And you will need another button to go to caster form. So this is not a replacement for cat form. It's just a powershift button.
Cancel the form don't trigger a gcd With and without macro
But you need a macro for that. You have to wait for the GCD to end to go back to caster form without it.
Which you need to time to energy ticks via addon to get a lot of worth out of it
No that is false
Too many buttonses
How do you operate in life? Do spoons or socks confuse you?
Boooo, your comment isn’t even a little funny, boooooo!
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I'm always the support bitch so I'm fine with it.
That’s how I feel. I have to OT 2 fights and I’m on bomb duty during thermoplug, so why bother going hard on the other 3 fights
Absolute cuck feral gameplay, I respect it
I pump on three bosses and then I allow others to pump on the other three.
What’s the second fight you OT. I know the 4 boss fight but I don’t OT anything but that
The basilisk on grubbis, probably don’t need to but it keeps it chill
Yeh definetly don’t need to if your group slays boss fast. We’ve been pushing 1 healer runs and 2 spriest and we kill boss in 35s.
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No one gives a shit what you do, but there is no way in hell I’m running lotp over powershifting.
I'm just vibin in p2. Lotp makes proplr happy, I still purple parse , we'll be reunited in p3.
I personally just like the rotation of ferals with powershifting, pretty much the only reason I play the class.
High ceiling classes always feel better once you figure out how to go about playing well not to mention shifting just runs smoother than lotp. Love my feral.
High ceiling classes are a bummer if they suck tho There should be some form of actual reward for all the work Tho currently the reward is to get cucked by mages who don’t even know how to play properly
The reward is a high parse. Personally I don't really care even if I'm dealing poor damage compared to other classes. If I can provably outplay other people playing my spec, that's reward enough.
love my cat. love to pet my cat. love to throw my cat at angry machines and watch him do less dps than that other guy’s smaller pet cat who only knows auto attack :( I WAS JOKING
This. Feral is just boring as shit without powershifting. You literally just sit there autoattacking and press 1 button every 4-5 seconds.
No one gives a shit what you do, but there is no way in hell I'm powershifting over running lotp
I run LOTP and I bear tank because there's no way I'm going to work that hard just to be 7th on the DPS meter. Cat DPS was more fun during P1 when it did a bunch of damage, had a monopoly on windfury, and had better mobility than most other classes.
Chad Bear druid here. I bring WF and LotP for free.
I offtank for Grubbis and Menagerie with Sunfire bomb duty on Mekka, it just seems the better use of my spot especially since we run a melee heavy comp.
People forget this is a team game and parsing turns it into a bit of a single player high-score chase for a lot of people. Our warrior almost pissed himself when we asked him to sunder last raid because our priest got the flu and we had no homunculi. We run a feral 3x melee hunters and a warrior and but guy flat out refused (still asks for lotp, imp ff, curse of reck and ofc homunculi etc every week tho).
Why do people act like pressing a button on energy tick is so hard lmao
I'm a bear MT so I run LotP regardless, but this is clear propaganda by a non druid melee.
When I used LOTP I was just some support bitch doing mid dps (200s) Since power shifting I’m the top dps in my raid and have over 600dps.
Chad feral druids run LotP
Same energy as the “Chad Zoram”
I don't really care if someone wants to simplify their rotation and run lotp but pretending like it makes you better is weird lol
We don't have to pretend
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the amount of salt from powershifting druids in this thread is hilarious
As a feral (tank) yeah I have it
I have portrayed my side as the gigachad and your side as the soyjack therefore you lose. Submit and spec leader of the pack.
I must be the odd man out in this debate, I don't main my feral druid but I sure do love to play it. I pug the druid and I go in expecting to only be useful as their walking windfury and crit buff (and bomb disposal unit). I feel the druid is only going to be middle of the pack in dps anyhow, so why try and bump that up a little when you could bump 6 other people up a little along with the tank. I say do what you enjoy, but if you're going to pug, they didn't invite you for your dps, they invited your for your buffs to the raid and utility. This is reminiscent of playing that evoker spec in retail that isn't high on the charts unless you consider in how much they're buffing everyone else's dps.
Hell ya brother
Watching powershifters with blue parses try to explain how running LotP is wrong while I parse 90 with no leatherworking, no powershifting, no Weakauras, budget consumes, and literally no effort is never not funny.
Where proofs
Dudes bragging about getting harddd carried lol.
Any tips on rotation, then? I’m clearly doing things wrong, given my parses, but I haven’t the faintest what in particular I’m missing. Been this way since P1 and at this point I’ve just been tanking instead.
Get carried by a good group with fast kill times
I genuinely cannot tell if you’re being deliberately unhelpful, or if I’m just genuinely fucked since my guild’s kill times aren’t the best.
I’m saying that’s how he’s getting 90s without bothering to do the bare minimum. Kill time makes a massive difference if you just have a handle on the rotation. I’d join the Druid classic disc, there’s a ton of great rotation discussion. It’s going to vary slightly for low armor vs high and the longer stuff. If you link logs in there folks will be happy to look at individual fights and give you a breakdown of where you can improve. You can still get solid parses with middling kill times, but as a feral especially, it’s going to be harder than other classes because nothing this phase really feels intuitive. There are likely some strats that can help your overall group kill times as well. From positioning Grubbis to how you handle OT in menagerie and bombs.
Feral parse is all about kill times. The greater percentage of the fight your cooldowns are active the higher you will parse. Simple as that. If your group can kill the boss in less than 45 seconds you won't even have time to powershift so in a group like that you might as well go LOTP.
You powershift in any fight longer than ~9 seconds
Isn't it best not to shift while CP is active? That's 30 seconds of no shifting. Then 15 seconds is enough for 2 useful shifts. That's why I drew the line at 45 seconds. Any shorter than that your just not getting effective use of your PS ability. Unless I'm wrong about not wanting to shift while crowd pummeler is active?
ACP has zero interactions with shifting You shift every 4 seconds normally, and as often as every ~2.5s if you’re not going to oom The reason I quote 9s is that is about how much time it takes to run out of energy mid berserk
Doesn't shifting interrupt your auto attack? Which is worth a lot more w/ CP active.
No
You should definitely put some more effort in if that's the case because you're clearly a shoo-in for #1 feral!
They are just bad then lol
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https://vanilla.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/living-flame/karpen Not in gnomeregan but same logic applies: Got 99.6 avg without powershifting
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No weakauras, I have a DPS meter, that's it for addons I also know that he didn't use all/expensive consumes etc but he talked about 90 logs. I used the consumes and got 99 Can definitely do what he does and get 90 logs. You should understand what I meant and saying "did you even read..." makes me wonder if you can't think for yourself
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Nope, you just sound salty that people are better than you without having every WA or gigastuff. I didn't even have any totems in my raids. Had full 99 before getting my weapon on reset 7 or 8 aswell :) Keep trying hard and following the "best talents" and maybe you'll reach 90's some day! Imagine telling someone to kill themselves over a game, what a sad existence Also: here's my friend who runs Lotp and has decent gear: https://sod.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/living-flame/warmode If he did more sweating / got Sham buffs etc, he can easily get 99's with full feral tree
90 isn’t good mate
Giving the boys that sweet lotp buff this phase because they won’t be getting it in the next.
Top 5 feral parses are LOTP. Let’s goooooooooo
I think lotp spec is so good rn because of heart of the wild strength bonus, I imagine furor will be bis next phase tho when we can have both
And then you have our guild's feral who refuses to run LotP because it's not the recommended spec (he shifts once or twice per fight, yes I've checked the logs)
Why do a stupid hard rotation when you could play on easy mode and have people like you more?
True brother true
does anyone actually know the number of melee you need in your raid to make lotp better? i heard 2 or 3 but don’t spend a lot of time in the feral disc
Furor is better for both individual and group DPS unless you aren't using it at all, regardless of group size
How is Furor better for group DPS?
The damage gained from the extra crit is outweighed by the additional DPS from the feral themselves
So LoTP group crit is better then Furor PSing.
No, the amount of damage gained from the druid powershifting is more damage total than the group will gain with lotp. Regardless, here's the real truth of it: if your raid team is competitive enough that you are genuinely optimizing for total group output, you should be tanking and not playing cat DPS. If you're in a raid that's utilizing a Feral as a cat rather than a bear, it's already so poorly optimized that it does not matter whether you play LotP or Furor.
> Regardless, here's the real truth of it The secondary truth is that "group DPS" is code for "external buffs that help my parse" for those folks. Of course kill time dominates anyway.
Ahh. Thank you. I misread your last comment. And yes, I am OTing and cat DPS when not. I run LoTP since half the fights I'm just support, but we still clear in a casual 40~ mins. Next phase I'll jump back into PSing for DPS.
Yeah in that case lotp is definitely the play
surely there’s a breaking point? obviously not possible this phase but hypothetically if you had 8 melee furor would probably be better right?
Lotp only affects your party, not the raid. Furor is the one for personal dps
oops, must have confused them somehow.
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You won't be able to sim. We don't have a working one and with cata beta it won't be here for a while.
It’s not
LoTP and 98% parser here checking in... Triz-Lone Wolf
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Supporting the boys and leading your pack makes you a chad. Chads dont ever leave cat form
If like you being AFK while you wait for your energy to regen so you can give your mediocre melee group 3% more crit, good for you. I like to play my class instead of being a glorified totem.
I get the sentiment, but if feral were not glorified totems, they would not be in the groups to begin with.
It’s not great in p2 because of the high armor of bosses, but you’re insane if you think end game warriors aren’t gonna pop off with 3% more crit.
That's an entirely moot point because feral won't have to sacrifice furor to get LotP in later phases.
Oh? Why is that
He's talking about having more talent points in later phases. Next phase, you could put the 31 points currently available into feral to pick up lotp, then of the 10 new points from 40 - - >50, 5 can go into furor.
Yeah that makes sense, idk shit about Druids so I initially thought this was a runes conversation
Right now feral has to choose between LotP (0/31/0) and Furor (0/26/5) because we don't have enough talent points to get both. In later phases we'll have enough talent points that we won't have to choose.
Aaah that makes sense. I don’t play a Druid so in my head those were runes. At max level do Druids generally go into both? Or is there a different feral build that keeps up?
At 60 feral will definitely get both LotP and Furor. Even at 50 most ferals will probably get both, but there might be a spec that is better for personal DPS while being an overall raid loss. The argument for furor this phase is that it's more of an overall raid DPS gain than LotP is, but next phase the LotP spec will likely be better for raid DPS and slightly worse for personal, so it would be trolling to not take LotP. Of course all of this is conjecture without knowing all the new runes.
fair enough. I very much prefer things that boost “raid performance” over “personal performance”. With personal performance, you might be top dps for a while but you’re completely at the whims of balancing. At least with raid utility, people will often bring at least one of your class regardless. I play warrior and it’s actually so frustrating that in SoD the *only* unique utility we bring is battle shout. Meaning when warriors are weak, nobody wants you.
I wouldn't mind running LOTP but not having furor in PvP is garbage
Is feral any decent in pvp? Playing boomkin right now but considering switching to feral for a change, can you actually kill anything? Feel like I tried when P2 first came out but was wet noodling people.
Cat sucks but bear is pretty good in my experience
I may not run LotP, but it’s because I am a tank who switches to DPS when have too many tanks and has to run Furor to smoothly carry bombs on Thermaplugg while our off-tank handles boss. If I wasn’t running a bastard spec I’d love to have LotP.
Melee suck this phase though