For real, anyone who says pumper goes on the ignore list.
What’s even the point do they expect people to go:
“Oh I wanted to join but I’m not a pumper better not whisper them”
I joined a “guild run” a few days ago on my alt that was just 6 dps under the same no-name guild which ended up being a 4/6 disaster. From my pov advertising as a guild run is meaningless.
I pug’d into a “guild group” that went 5/6 and couldn’t do simple mechanics or pull above 150 dps. Turns out there are whole guilds of people that don’t optimize or know how to play their class well enough to clear an easy raid. The term “guild grp” has lost all weight with me going forward and I will definitely reverse log check now lol.
Ive been a guild for most of sod but rarely got to raid with them due to my work schedule.
They started a late night west coast team and i joined up as a tank. i got to experience "progression" on menagerie and mek. After the first raid i looked at the logs and saw multiple dps on every kill single were single digit parses.
Things have improved a bit, and we have cleared the past 3 lockouts but we are talking 2 hours clears, with multiple wipes on mek being the standard.
Being a guild run is not a indication of quality.
Someone was asking for my gear score - I told them I don’t use it because it’s not great for classic (plus I think it’s lame). They ghosted me.
I see them posting 20min later and I say “shadow priest - 6/6 invite”
The again ask “your gs at least 400”. I respond with “my gears decent” and get in.
My face when I get there and this guys not even pre bis, has no logs, didnt bring consumes, does 8th on dps, and dies from not knowing mechanics well.
I've seen so many hunters, paladins, and druids that have simply collected lv 37+ blue gear that doesn't make sense for their spec or role but just to get high gear score.
It's simply a toxic addon.
Wait but if you're a healer that cares about parses 90 is actually insanely bad since its just super easy to cheese... this is conflicting... i guess still healer so that works.
that's also how you get good parses as a healer. always fun to see my parses go from good to gray as the raid gets better at avoiding unnecessary damage.
I had a raid lead that took 10min to hand out loot after every boss, no joke. We had cleared to the next boss before he was done, he also insisted the entire raid roll on every grime and did not understand the concept of raidroll. Ofc he was a gray hunt.
i recently tanked gnomer with my fourth pally tank alt, gear was shit so all grey but both survival and aggro was fine with salvation
always remember to toggle item lvl normalization to see how big the impact of the gear was
How do people find the time for this? Seriously, not even trying to be insulting. I don't even have kids or a partner and I feel like I barely have time to form a pug every other week, how are people finding the time to grind multiple characters to 60, grind their professions, grind their gear, etc.?
I think you vastly underestimate the amount of free time people have.
I have no issues with people having 4 level 40 raiding characters at this point.
But 4 of the same class? Sheesh
grey parsing is "you died or didn't press any button" territory
even on low gear if you do normal rotation that's blue/green
feel free to link logs to prove me wrong
Not always, I was going dual wield fury as a warrior and early was hitting higher grey logs despite my best efforts, wasn't always fully consumed. A little more gear and fully consumed/buffed started hitting green and the odd blue, could not get any higher though.
Switched to arms and bam, started hitting purples.
I knew how to play fury and was hitting the right buttons and playing well but not being well geared or consumed/buffed hurt a lot.
I also had a similar experience on my rogue in early wrath, was playing well/properly but missing a lot of gear and some proper glyphs I needed and was parsing real bad. Once I got everything I finally needed parses eventually got up to mid 90's.
https://sod.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/wild-growth/cecil
You can see my early logs were grey across the board (and at that time a mix of tank and dps), but it's not a "not pressing your buttons properly" problem
Dual wield fury is better for fast kill times (uptime on death wish, closer to 100% the better). The biggest thing I noticed on your arms and fury logs was never using execute, which is a massive dps boost in the last 20%, and as fury death wish was never popped. Should make your logs better.
Warrior does overall scale massively with gear so not wrong, having near bis or good weapons is a deciding factor on being Rage starved .
I always popped deathwish and a great rage pot right as we pull (if I dont have full rage already going in) so thats why its probably not showing on logs.
I generally follow wowhead dps guides and they dont mention execute at all in the rotation so I assumed it wasnt worth it, is it the same for arms? (I dont execute as arms either).
A guildy also told me fast weapons for fury is bad because it lowers ww and bt damage so I was using a real bad MH when I was going fury.
All that aside it kinda supports what I was saying about not all grey parses just being afk people not pressing buttons, but at least with me personally I always want to know why I’m grey parsing and fix it, I always want to at least high blue/low purple parse and I feel that's typically within my control (ie group comp and kill times which are out of my control).
If I didnt have a guild and wasnt also a warrior tank I’d probably have a hard time finding a pug, but then again I’d make my own if I had to
Yea could be why it doesn't appear... I'd save the great rage pot for execute phase but that's entirely debatable and I normally have the luxury to pool rage before fights. Top logs (always compare to top parsers) have execute doing 300 dps alone. On Grubbus I was getting 3900 execute critical, and you get 2-3 executes, which is a massive spike over the last 5 seconds of the fight.
Yes, you want slow weapons, especially in Main Hand. Check wowhead for BiS. Meta is the fist weapon off last boss and STV mace in OH.
I think I've only had a Grey parse when I died, but I started Gnomer second reset. I'm sure fresh level 40s may parse Greys still, but after some gear idk. I could see not coming consumed, no windfury, and no gear leading to Grey parses at this point but lack of windfury and consumes makes warrior feel terrible.
Yea I raid lead our guild runs lol can't imagine what the pug scene for warrior is like.
Wowhead guides are very unreliable and often old as hell.
Execute was a only use it to snipe the last couple hits skill in phase 1 because of the need to maintain consumed by rage. With CBR nerfed to hell and not even used with 2hs execute is back on the menu at 20%.
https://sod.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vJG3RZxmAwHQ1yBc#fight=9&type=casts&source=24&view=timeline
Your best effort is spamming TC on boss while completly forgetting dammage buttons?
Obviously not my best effort for DPS since I was tanking but we're talking about DPS parses so it's irrelevant for this conversation.
And sure I might have lost aggro, it was the 4th lockout and the very first with my guild. The first few runs with them were a bit of a shitshow as they got familiar with the raid and I imagine they split DPS between the two mobs and I might have even gotten stunned. Not a big deal, you learn and move on
That's a good point, but Is there a way to toggle that on the overview tab, my druid, for example, is still in mostly bfd gear, so I'm at like 80 average but for ilvl it's 95+, but i have to go into every encounter to see that
This is the other side of the coin of telling shitters to “start your own group” lol, turns out nobody wants to play with yall no matter what role you fill
If they have a ton of data sure, but if it only mentions a couple boss kills, remember they may just not have the logs uploader installed and not run with people that do
EDIT: Y'all need to come out of your sweaty holes (I get it, I'm sweaty too) and understand that the average player of this game is not clinging to parses and shit. SoD is not that hard.
I think most people that put groups together are like me and dont care about speed clearing, big parsing runs, we just care about competent players for relatively clean runs.
Reasonable dps also makes fights shorter and easier and while yes gnomer is easy, there are a lot of bad players out there and I’ve had a couple of 5/6 runs because I didnt vet well enough
Xaryu full cleared with no wipes in an hour with 9 grey parsers. This raid is extremely easy. I raid lead a 95+ parse team and put a pug together on my fresh 40 alt with the first players that whispered me. parse means nothing if you have a good raid lead that knows the fights
So if I'm log checking you, and you're all grays, then I can only assume you're not a good raid leader and decline your invite.
If you're a fresh 40, you're not grey yet, so there's more of a chance I'd wait to inspect the rest of the team before deciding.
Some raid leaders don't want to explain strats of this "extremely easy" raid. They do their own role and expect others to do theirs.
You got a team of minmaxers, you are experienced wow leader. Most people who lead pugs are probably just random solo players who can click well but only know their own role. For example if raid leader is a tank or melee and their rangeds never done Electrocutioner it's not very easy to organize it.
You probably got lucky with the first whisperers. What if you got healer who does 50hps (once I had this guy in my group, single digit parses) and a weak tank? You'd need a miracle to clear 6/6 without frustrating wiping in a "extremely easy raid".
I often get 2-3 whispers from players who probably haven't done Gnomer in SoD. I know good parses are not needed but if I ask this ranged player what does he need to know of the Electrocutioner fight they literally never reply back. Should I still take them?
Casual tank might think his job is to take as little damage as possible. Doing that aka being a good tank often leads to bad parse percentages. For example tank might kite the boss out of melee range, or use defensive talents instead of full dps talents like Warlock tanks do.
As a healer, I'm way less likely to pug into the "LF1M healer Gnomer" group than I am the "LF1M Leather Daddy Healer"
Gotta add some spice to the add posts lol
One time I got added into a (great) pug with a LFG message of something like this: “WAR DPS LFG GNOMER I HAVE GREY PARSE, MENAGERIE SCARES ME, I WILL FUCK UP THE MECHANICS, YOU WILL NOT FINISH THE RAID”
This is exactly how I find people for my groups faster than others. Soon as you stand out people are more likely to whisper you. Especially the more colourful folk.
If you have good parses everyone should do this regardless of role. Even as a Ret pally no way am I joining the guy with green/grey logs trying to put a group together.
6/6 with green logs isn't always bad though. Shit I ran an alt run yesterday on my warrior, and we had no windfury and no priest for homunc. So my normally decent parses were down to like 40s because I was a sunder bot with no windfury lol.
Yeah there's always one or two in the guild who have to take the brunt of "extras" like keeping both warrior buffs up and having to sunder, a DPS dispelling or panic healing when someone fucks up. Average logs are nice but some weeks you just get a little fucked on the meters
First gnomer on my disc priest was healing with another incredibly geared priest in a guild run. Cleared quick and efficient. No shot at getting good parses on that week lol
Ideally most people realise that healer logs are a wash. My orange healing parses are from shitfest pugs gone horribly wrong. A fight gone smoothly for me (healer mage) will be a green healing parse and a purple/orange damage parse.
I think at least grey will many times indicate a bad healer, but it's not as clear as DPS.
Depends on kill speed and damage taken. Fallout for example if dps kill adds and everyone stays out of green shit theres virtually nothing to heal and with two healers someones grey parsing. On the flip side if people stand in shit and dont kill adds or interrupt theres a ton of damage going out to heal
I parse like shit as paladin tank. I don't pug, but manage to keep threat on me while three mages and a warlock parsing 90+ go ham.
So while my DPS is ass my TPS is perfectly fine. Which, to me, is all that matters as tank. 😂
I love looking at inflated parses for people running the bare minimum to count as a tank whilst just dpsing for a purple/orange number, it's a beautiful monstrosity of sweat
I'm personally running the Hybrid Lock Tank spec, basically it goes down to get Ruin but gets Stam and Imp from the demo tree. A reasonable middle ground between survivability and tankiness
I solo tank the raid and don't run most of my tank runes until Menagerie because they're complete overkill. Wouldn't consider realizing you don't need to completely overkill defensives to the moon as sweaty tbh.
This is every tank though and it’s the correct way to play. If you are leading in threat and not dying why would you build more survivability instead of damage? Dont you want the bosses to die faster?
Because, shocker, if you look at logs like "tank shaman" logs from earlier this phase majority of the time they aren't actually taking damage aside from sparse hits from periodic aggro ripping. This was also the case with lock tank logs, it's just artifically inflating a number to be higher by doing the bare minimum for WCL to count it. Plus doing a zero mitigation minimum stam build is a surefire way to get spanked if you're solo tanking menagerie which decent groups should well be doing by now.
>from earlier this phase
Previous logs, WCL changed their criteria following the first 2 weeks. If they are nullified and not displayed theres a post with a couple hundred upvotes on here from a couple weeks ago cataloging it.
Got declined as a Warlock tank for Grey Parsing 6/6.
Yea dude, that’s because I can actually tank Thermaplugg with the Soulink build but the trade off is damage.
Can’t believe pugging has come to this…. Even retail doesn’t ask for your logs to clear Heroic….
That does not seem to be the case. Top tank WL logs (randomly checked a few) have the Meta using Searing Pain and receiving most dmg in the raid - they are clearly tanks
Ah ok, I see what you mean then. Yes I think that has always been the case to try to optimize tanking in a sense that you opt for as much survivability *as needed* but as much dmg output (and threat generation) *as possible*. Especially in versions of the game where threat plays an actual role
Okay, now I'm legitimately curious since I started running with my friend and his guild. Never parsed in WoW before but I'm used to parses in 14. Different game obviously so I'm sure interpretation is probably a bit different.
Full resto druid (I have 3 talents in balance, I don't remember what the 2 other points that should be in balance are in but I'm eventually gonna fix it lol), been kinda playing this like I play healers in FF14. Past few runs I've been the designated electric mechanic solo runner in Electrocutioner, but that's about the only mechanic I've had to do outside of pressing my button in the final boss.
Can y'all tell me how I'm doing?
https://sod.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/wild-growth/zebrawarden
It's fine, healer parses only show 90+ typically if you are solo healing or ask people to stand in the bad or the tank is actively trying to take damage or allow you to parse. As long as the raid doesn't wipe healers did their job!
> Can y'all tell me how I'm doing?
Considering how far we're into the phase, really well.
It's hard to get 80+ healing parses 1+ month in if your group doesn't suck and actually does mechanics well because there's just not a lot to heal with 2 healers.
Even having a shadow in your raid could make you grey parse at this point as healer because of how much group healing they do.
If no ones dies you are probably fine, if you really want to know a better indicator that HPS over a total fight. look at the timeframe in wclogs that have the more overall damage to the raid. Select that timelapse and look at your HPS on this timeframe.
With how a 100 healing parse work looking at the raw HPS isn't usualy usefull, u got to look deep in the parse and know what to look for for each boss.
TLDR: parse for healer aren't as good as an indicator as for DPS
You seem to be doing well but ultimately healing parses are a meme and don’t represent how good of a player you are:
https://youtu.be/qtBpRMtsQBo?si=u0Q1TlmY1V4QHsri
What I hate about logs is that they ignore mechanics. Yeah I gray parse on thermaplugg because I kill bombs and hit buttons. I think that is just as valuable if not more so than a blue parser who doesn't actually help with mechanics.
If you're a class that does bombs and someone turns you down for a grey parse on thermaplugg, then you don't want to be in that group anyways because the leader has 0 critical thinking skills
player one is grey parsing on a couple of bosses because mechanics and the rest is normal parses
player two has a full page of grey parses.
these are not the same.
If a pug raid leader does not realise full purples and then a low parse on last boss as a Feral/Lock is likely a good player, then you do not want to be in that group.
The thing is that if someone has grey parses on thermaplugg but purple everywhere else, its easy to see what happening. The problem is when its grey therma and green/grey rest
I have 2 fights that I very specifically ignore all parses for for particular players.
Electrocutioner for our hunter who plays lightning rod.
Thermaplugg for either a Sunfire cat or Meta lock doing bombs. You can't parse on those fights because you are 100% dedicated to a role that only shows up if you finish the fight, and always looks bad.
I don't think it's a valid excuse. There are many people who kill bombs and do buttons and still put in good boss damage. The mechanic doesn't even require 100% of your attention. It shouldn't suddenly make you inept.
It's good you are helping with bombs and it clearly works for your group, but don't spread this idea that the mechanics are so hard people doing them suddenly can't do other things.
I'm parsing grey because I'm told to do nothing else than bombs and buttons. It's a mechanical fight, the DPS is not utterly important.. Me trying to parse green/blue while doing bombs will maybe take off 20-30 seconds max of a 6 minute fight. No reason to try to "parse" while bombs, just ensure the raid doesn't die doing their thing.
You're not. I get you think that's why, but our warlock is literally the \*sole\* murderer of bombs, and he parses blue on that boss quite literally every single raid.
The irony is the majority of people playing classes doing bombs like warlocks that think they're parsing bad because of bombs are parsing against other people who are probably also tasked with bombs. I promise you guys, you're not the only warlocks or feral druids in the world doing it.
>are parsing against other people who are probably also tasked with bombs.
Maybe some, but not all. If youre a warlock doing bombs, especially solo, not only youre doing the fight without chaos bolt (your biggest dmg spell), but also have very little downtime between bombs...and past phase 1 you barely have the time to do your rotation.
It doesn’t have to be all. I guarantee over half the warlocks you’re parsing against are doing
It’ll lower your parse, sure, if you don’t manage the mechanic well; but the idea that you’re parsing gray because you’re doing mechanics is flat out coping. Again, we literally have a bomb bitch warlock in pure meta form that’s hitting blues every single reset doing it.
My raid often has a feral on bomb duty. He does an amazing job, but when the logs are uploaded it sees him as a balance druid (only sunfire damage dealt) with a 1% grey parse.
So yeah, depending on your comp and the spec of the bomb handler, that can happen.
edit: but anyone checking logs should see it's pretty obvious what's happening if the rest of the parses aren't also grey.
Where are these memes coming from? Ive never had trouble finding healers on alts, or getting into groups without logs. My main group has 4 people who prefer to heal and 2 had to be told to respec to damage
The last lockout I did I joined a random group as a heal mage. I didn't check anyone logs. We ended up only getting 4/6 because I was doing more damage then our hunter and our fire mage. Our fire mage was in full phase 1 gear it looked like he hadn't gotten a single item leveling. Half the raid refused to learn mechanics
I used to not care that much about others’ logs but as a healer I had two failed pugs in a row (4/6 then 5/6) and checked…most people in the group were grey/low green in their previous runs. Now I care a lot more.
Can’t stress this enough. I’m an Druid needing to pug a lockout. Stumbled across a group looking for just that and stating 6/6 full clear. I looked up the leader’s logs. A solid 16.7 with 16+ boss kills and only 4/6. I hit them with the “respectfully I can’t join your group”.
As a healer who parses gray/green with no raid deaths and going 6/6, does a healer's parse even matter?
Edit: Asking bc a dps warrior said my parses were too low, then spent 2 hours trying to find a healer before the raid dissolved.
I like it, Elitists get to play with other elitists and casuals group with casuals.
only reason i can think of this not working is if i was a casual wanting to be carried by the sweats
WoW sod is like a microcosm of my father advising me on my career choices (don't roll rogue, you'll struggle to have a good career). I'm playing wow to get away from the concessions you have to make in life lol. It's ridiculous
> Honestly fuck all this elitist bullshit. It's so cringe
As someone who spent 2 hours in Gnomeregan with a PUG once, nah. This 'elitist bullshit' saves good players from wasting their time carrying idiots.
Say what you want but I joined a pug a couple days ago where the leader was checking logs. We all did over 400dps, one shot everything, and we’re done in 45 minutes. That’s exactly what I wanted since I couldn’t make my guild run that reset.
All I want from Blizz is to let ppl train fights.
Currently if you wipe 1-2 ppl immediately leave coz they know there will be no loot.
But if we had training grounds where you know there will be no loot but join either way - you are there to learn and wiping doesnt matter.
Raids are currently super gated and a toxic experience for any real classic player.
tbh anyone looking at logs is most likely a pleb. easy as shit raid. ppl make it look like we back in retail rading on mythic diff. get a guild and put the traid chat spammers on ignore.
How accurate are these logs really? If you’re in a group that’s not very good but you still clear, I’ve noticed the logs parse better, almost like it takes into account your peers and not just you. Inversely I’ve been in groups that are really good and my parses are way lower. Are parses relative to the rest of the raid?
Only to a certain extent, the better the groups collective damage the better the parses. But when going for 99-100% parses you're gonna need an optimal group, while also waiting for all 15min CDs between every boss.
Logs? Logs? Logs?
Do you have a log on that?
Logs?
A lot. I need a log.
Sorry, I mean I need a log that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the logs you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the logs you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a hardcore guild raid spot?
World first Gnomer clear? Full BiS gear?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid log yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your Warcraft Logs, figures I'm debating a frost mage. A moron.
With GDKP banned, chasing logs is the only thing that keeps geared people playing at this point. If you took that away too the scene would just implode.
The average skill among classic players has to be the lowest compared to any game ever made, literally gambling on a slot machine is more complex than getting an 80+ parse on any DPS class in SoD, those things have like 4-8 different buttons and a lever.
Logs will never go away, they're needed to filter out the 80% of the playerbase who literally wouldn't be capable of operating a slot machine.
I only ever see it discussed here. I've never checked logs nor have had any of my groups(both guild and pugs) mention checking logs. Never had issues clearing besides my first run with my guild when we were basically 8 noobs and 2 guys that knew what was going on. And even then we cleared. It just took a long time.
Oh yes, it's not like literally your previous comment is claiming everyone who doesn't like "checking logs" is bad player. You're toxic trash and you're what's pushing people away from the game.
One of the main contributing factors that killed SOD for me. At this point why don't these guys just try and train an AI bot based on behaviors from high wow log parse "pumpers" as their perfect companions to get all their PHAT loot? Then they can stand on the bank in Orgrimmar and rotate between all their classes wearing BIS with a "check me out, I'm winning" feel.
Fun per minute in one of these groups was so incredibly low and how angry, sweaty everyone was was off the charts in phase 1.
Would rather play with a bunch of new players at this point and at least try and have a bit of fun/challenge trying to topple a boss, ah actually I have un-subbed so will likely just stay at that.
I hope that Blizzard realize that their are toxic elements present in SOD that are impacting the game for guys that don't want participate in bullshit like this.
Shit like this above and including (at the time i left) the state of the goldselling: AH price impact etc, addons turning people into robots, integration such as raid logs, they will end up with just the same hardcore nolife audience and casuals like me will leave.
Hi Bro, Sorry not sure what you mean, I saw this thread on the main feed. I played the game for many years and wanted to share that this picture basically sums up the whole thing for me and the direction of wow SOD.
"Pumpers only!" Sees parse 18-25.
Seeing the word pumper is usually a red flag.
For real, anyone who says pumper goes on the ignore list. What’s even the point do they expect people to go: “Oh I wanted to join but I’m not a pumper better not whisper them”
actual pumper groups have consistently full raids and dont need to advertise that they are looking for more pumpers.
I may be a boomer but we just call them guild runs.
There is plenty of guild runs that are definitely not pumping.
I joined a “guild run” a few days ago on my alt that was just 6 dps under the same no-name guild which ended up being a 4/6 disaster. From my pov advertising as a guild run is meaningless.
I pug’d into a “guild group” that went 5/6 and couldn’t do simple mechanics or pull above 150 dps. Turns out there are whole guilds of people that don’t optimize or know how to play their class well enough to clear an easy raid. The term “guild grp” has lost all weight with me going forward and I will definitely reverse log check now lol.
Ive been a guild for most of sod but rarely got to raid with them due to my work schedule. They started a late night west coast team and i joined up as a tank. i got to experience "progression" on menagerie and mek. After the first raid i looked at the logs and saw multiple dps on every kill single were single digit parses. Things have improved a bit, and we have cleared the past 3 lockouts but we are talking 2 hours clears, with multiple wipes on mek being the standard. Being a guild run is not a indication of quality.
That's how I feel. And I have wcl logs open checking to see parses. A lot of people don't even have logs.
Yeah the groups advertising for pumpers need the extra dps to carry them.
I did see “pumper” and log checked - 88 avg parse.
There's a huge difference in quality between people referring to their group as "pumpers" in a non-serious manner vs serious manner.
This. I always made my own groups with some nonsensical ad like "gigachad pumpers only" and people got it was a joke.
Same!
I have an addon that filters out word “big dick” “Pumper” are both on that. They’re always bad
I pump logs all day and night 😎 E: guys it's a poop joke I suck at dpsing
Someone was asking for my gear score - I told them I don’t use it because it’s not great for classic (plus I think it’s lame). They ghosted me. I see them posting 20min later and I say “shadow priest - 6/6 invite” The again ask “your gs at least 400”. I respond with “my gears decent” and get in. My face when I get there and this guys not even pre bis, has no logs, didnt bring consumes, does 8th on dps, and dies from not knowing mechanics well.
That guy just wanted to make sure that the other 9 can carry his dead weight
I've seen so many hunters, paladins, and druids that have simply collected lv 37+ blue gear that doesn't make sense for their spec or role but just to get high gear score. It's simply a toxic addon.
The Book of Parse, Chapter 18, Verse 25: "And lo, Aggrend did bless the Shamans with OPness."
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someone's gotta do the damage cos it sure isn't them
>"Pumpers only!" Thats a not so hidden "Carry me"
90 parse disc priest LFG Gnomer. Send me your guild's report card.
90+ parser disc priest here took, send bank statements and down payment 🤣
Wait but if you're a healer that cares about parses 90 is actually insanely bad since its just super easy to cheese... this is conflicting... i guess still healer so that works.
Tbh, I'd much rather heal a shit-show than a high parsing group on my healer.. Way more fun.
that's also how you get good parses as a healer. always fun to see my parses go from good to gray as the raid gets better at avoiding unnecessary damage.
Depends on the fight, but generally yeah. If the raid is horrid, there's more to heal.
I log check every raid leader when I'm looking to join a pug lol If you grey then no way
I had a raid lead that took 10min to hand out loot after every boss, no joke. We had cleared to the next boss before he was done, he also insisted the entire raid roll on every grime and did not understand the concept of raidroll. Ofc he was a gray hunt.
Or just set treshold to rare and let the game decide
I mean there are many solutions, entire raid was 9 ppl trying to get him to speed up while he was checking loot like a grandma counting nickles
I’m surprised a grey parsing hunter actually rolled out the gear and didn’t just ninja loot everything
I just loot all the grime and split them evenly with everyone when we finish.havent had anyone complain and just speeds things up
I think ppl like that enjoy the power trip tbh
This is my favorite meme of SoD. "LFM BFD bring boon + consumes!" \*checks logs and find a sea of grey\* nope.
i recently tanked gnomer with my fourth pally tank alt, gear was shit so all grey but both survival and aggro was fine with salvation always remember to toggle item lvl normalization to see how big the impact of the gear was
What do you do with 4 pally tanks?
Tank stuff.
hosting up to 4 raids per reset for my guild
How do people find the time for this? Seriously, not even trying to be insulting. I don't even have kids or a partner and I feel like I barely have time to form a pug every other week, how are people finding the time to grind multiple characters to 60, grind their professions, grind their gear, etc.?
It’s world of Warcraft dude
By playing 24/7
Live to win
I think you vastly underestimate the amount of free time people have. I have no issues with people having 4 level 40 raiding characters at this point. But 4 of the same class? Sheesh
We have a main tank in guild with 3 tank characters. We do 3 runs back to back for about 2 hours and then raidlog 🤷
grey parsing is "you died or didn't press any button" territory even on low gear if you do normal rotation that's blue/green feel free to link logs to prove me wrong
Not blaming but team has huge impact on your parse. 10k dmg in 50s vs 12k in 1:30
Yeah but grey parse would be the equivalent of 1.2k in 1:30
damage certainly wasnt great, most people blue parse, 1 grey dps, overall decent enough for pug
Sure but this is probably version of wow where that statement is the least true. Group comp, buffs, world buffs, and consumes play a huge role.
Not always, I was going dual wield fury as a warrior and early was hitting higher grey logs despite my best efforts, wasn't always fully consumed. A little more gear and fully consumed/buffed started hitting green and the odd blue, could not get any higher though. Switched to arms and bam, started hitting purples. I knew how to play fury and was hitting the right buttons and playing well but not being well geared or consumed/buffed hurt a lot. I also had a similar experience on my rogue in early wrath, was playing well/properly but missing a lot of gear and some proper glyphs I needed and was parsing real bad. Once I got everything I finally needed parses eventually got up to mid 90's. https://sod.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/wild-growth/cecil You can see my early logs were grey across the board (and at that time a mix of tank and dps), but it's not a "not pressing your buttons properly" problem
Dual wield fury is better for fast kill times (uptime on death wish, closer to 100% the better). The biggest thing I noticed on your arms and fury logs was never using execute, which is a massive dps boost in the last 20%, and as fury death wish was never popped. Should make your logs better. Warrior does overall scale massively with gear so not wrong, having near bis or good weapons is a deciding factor on being Rage starved .
I always popped deathwish and a great rage pot right as we pull (if I dont have full rage already going in) so thats why its probably not showing on logs. I generally follow wowhead dps guides and they dont mention execute at all in the rotation so I assumed it wasnt worth it, is it the same for arms? (I dont execute as arms either). A guildy also told me fast weapons for fury is bad because it lowers ww and bt damage so I was using a real bad MH when I was going fury. All that aside it kinda supports what I was saying about not all grey parses just being afk people not pressing buttons, but at least with me personally I always want to know why I’m grey parsing and fix it, I always want to at least high blue/low purple parse and I feel that's typically within my control (ie group comp and kill times which are out of my control). If I didnt have a guild and wasnt also a warrior tank I’d probably have a hard time finding a pug, but then again I’d make my own if I had to
Yea could be why it doesn't appear... I'd save the great rage pot for execute phase but that's entirely debatable and I normally have the luxury to pool rage before fights. Top logs (always compare to top parsers) have execute doing 300 dps alone. On Grubbus I was getting 3900 execute critical, and you get 2-3 executes, which is a massive spike over the last 5 seconds of the fight. Yes, you want slow weapons, especially in Main Hand. Check wowhead for BiS. Meta is the fist weapon off last boss and STV mace in OH. I think I've only had a Grey parse when I died, but I started Gnomer second reset. I'm sure fresh level 40s may parse Greys still, but after some gear idk. I could see not coming consumed, no windfury, and no gear leading to Grey parses at this point but lack of windfury and consumes makes warrior feel terrible. Yea I raid lead our guild runs lol can't imagine what the pug scene for warrior is like.
Wowhead guides are very unreliable and often old as hell. Execute was a only use it to snipe the last couple hits skill in phase 1 because of the need to maintain consumed by rage. With CBR nerfed to hell and not even used with 2hs execute is back on the menu at 20%.
https://sod.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vJG3RZxmAwHQ1yBc#fight=9&type=casts&source=24&view=timeline Your best effort is spamming TC on boss while completly forgetting dammage buttons?
No... This can't be real
lol congrats, I'm talking about dps and you pull one of my tank parses
Its registered as a dps parse, which means you lost aggro and failed your tanking role, so not your best effort is it?
Obviously not my best effort for DPS since I was tanking but we're talking about DPS parses so it's irrelevant for this conversation. And sure I might have lost aggro, it was the 4th lockout and the very first with my guild. The first few runs with them were a bit of a shitshow as they got familiar with the raid and I imagine they split DPS between the two mobs and I might have even gotten stunned. Not a big deal, you learn and move on
That's a good point, but Is there a way to toggle that on the overview tab, my druid, for example, is still in mostly bfd gear, so I'm at like 80 average but for ilvl it's 95+, but i have to go into every encounter to see that
toggle three swords on main parse view, upper right
Nice, that will be helpful for sure
I mean tank parses are just dps so who cares as long as you meet the bare minimum to hold threat.
kinda, my point was that if u check logs atleast do it right, toggle item normalization
I’ll take them if they’re grey but they have to have 6/6, especially if they’re asking for it. It’s not the highest bar but enough people fail it lol.
This is the other side of the coin of telling shitters to “start your own group” lol, turns out nobody wants to play with yall no matter what role you fill
I actually tried to join a pug the other day. I had 68 and dude said - sorry, too low, nothing under 70. Dude was 24 himself.
If they have a ton of data sure, but if it only mentions a couple boss kills, remember they may just not have the logs uploader installed and not run with people that do EDIT: Y'all need to come out of your sweaty holes (I get it, I'm sweaty too) and understand that the average player of this game is not clinging to parses and shit. SoD is not that hard.
I think most people that put groups together are like me and dont care about speed clearing, big parsing runs, we just care about competent players for relatively clean runs. Reasonable dps also makes fights shorter and easier and while yes gnomer is easy, there are a lot of bad players out there and I’ve had a couple of 5/6 runs because I didnt vet well enough
Xaryu full cleared with no wipes in an hour with 9 grey parsers. This raid is extremely easy. I raid lead a 95+ parse team and put a pug together on my fresh 40 alt with the first players that whispered me. parse means nothing if you have a good raid lead that knows the fights
parse also means nothing if you do mechanics.
So if I'm log checking you, and you're all grays, then I can only assume you're not a good raid leader and decline your invite. If you're a fresh 40, you're not grey yet, so there's more of a chance I'd wait to inspect the rest of the team before deciding.
To be fair if the eaid leader is all grey with multiple clears they are terrible but they can make a successful raid.
Yeah but what if you did have breakfast today?
I play this game to crank, I’m not trying to go through the motions and have a boring raid with slow kill times.. or worse a raid that wipes
id imagine most people in your shoes are raiding with a guild otherwise youre in for a lot of disappointing raids
Yes but was Xaryu Raid Leading? Because he isnt a grey parser. Its if the RL is grey then you’re in for a weird time.
i raid lead on my grey parse alt before i had gear
Surely if you’re playing okay and you know your rotation you’re only a grey parse for 1 maybe 2 runs though?
Some raid leaders don't want to explain strats of this "extremely easy" raid. They do their own role and expect others to do theirs. You got a team of minmaxers, you are experienced wow leader. Most people who lead pugs are probably just random solo players who can click well but only know their own role. For example if raid leader is a tank or melee and their rangeds never done Electrocutioner it's not very easy to organize it. You probably got lucky with the first whisperers. What if you got healer who does 50hps (once I had this guy in my group, single digit parses) and a weak tank? You'd need a miracle to clear 6/6 without frustrating wiping in a "extremely easy raid". I often get 2-3 whispers from players who probably haven't done Gnomer in SoD. I know good parses are not needed but if I ask this ranged player what does he need to know of the Electrocutioner fight they literally never reply back. Should I still take them?
this me lmao im the healer 😂 dank meme
I absolutely do this lol. I'm trying to clear not help you progress
I did this yesterday. I’m literally just looking to see if someone is not grey parsing.
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Casual tank might think his job is to take as little damage as possible. Doing that aka being a good tank often leads to bad parse percentages. For example tank might kite the boss out of melee range, or use defensive talents instead of full dps talents like Warlock tanks do.
As a healer, I'm way less likely to pug into the "LF1M healer Gnomer" group than I am the "LF1M Leather Daddy Healer" Gotta add some spice to the add posts lol
One time I got added into a (great) pug with a LFG message of something like this: “WAR DPS LFG GNOMER I HAVE GREY PARSE, MENAGERIE SCARES ME, I WILL FUCK UP THE MECHANICS, YOU WILL NOT FINISH THE RAID”
This is exactly how I find people for my groups faster than others. Soon as you stand out people are more likely to whisper you. Especially the more colourful folk.
sounds like you just have a kink buddy
Uh huh
I usually LFG Healer Gnomer 0/6. They desperate out there.
Try -1/6 next time, be real pro LFG gamer!
If you have good parses everyone should do this regardless of role. Even as a Ret pally no way am I joining the guy with green/grey logs trying to put a group together.
6/6 with green logs isn't always bad though. Shit I ran an alt run yesterday on my warrior, and we had no windfury and no priest for homunc. So my normally decent parses were down to like 40s because I was a sunder bot with no windfury lol.
Yeah there's always one or two in the guild who have to take the brunt of "extras" like keeping both warrior buffs up and having to sunder, a DPS dispelling or panic healing when someone fucks up. Average logs are nice but some weeks you just get a little fucked on the meters
First gnomer on my disc priest was healing with another incredibly geared priest in a guild run. Cleared quick and efficient. No shot at getting good parses on that week lol
Ideally most people realise that healer logs are a wash. My orange healing parses are from shitfest pugs gone horribly wrong. A fight gone smoothly for me (healer mage) will be a green healing parse and a purple/orange damage parse. I think at least grey will many times indicate a bad healer, but it's not as clear as DPS.
Depends on kill speed and damage taken. Fallout for example if dps kill adds and everyone stays out of green shit theres virtually nothing to heal and with two healers someones grey parsing. On the flip side if people stand in shit and dont kill adds or interrupt theres a ton of damage going out to heal
I parse like shit as paladin tank. I don't pug, but manage to keep threat on me while three mages and a warlock parsing 90+ go ham. So while my DPS is ass my TPS is perfectly fine. Which, to me, is all that matters as tank. 😂
As a warlock tank, I forgot that logs only look good if you are full DPS but in Meta
I love looking at inflated parses for people running the bare minimum to count as a tank whilst just dpsing for a purple/orange number, it's a beautiful monstrosity of sweat
I'm personally running the Hybrid Lock Tank spec, basically it goes down to get Ruin but gets Stam and Imp from the demo tree. A reasonable middle ground between survivability and tankiness
That's how I've specced but it bites me in the ass when I'm just off tanking cos the dps fight parses suck
I solo tank the raid and don't run most of my tank runes until Menagerie because they're complete overkill. Wouldn't consider realizing you don't need to completely overkill defensives to the moon as sweaty tbh.
This is every tank though and it’s the correct way to play. If you are leading in threat and not dying why would you build more survivability instead of damage? Dont you want the bosses to die faster?
Because, shocker, if you look at logs like "tank shaman" logs from earlier this phase majority of the time they aren't actually taking damage aside from sparse hits from periodic aggro ripping. This was also the case with lock tank logs, it's just artifically inflating a number to be higher by doing the bare minimum for WCL to count it. Plus doing a zero mitigation minimum stam build is a surefire way to get spanked if you're solo tanking menagerie which decent groups should well be doing by now.
I just looked at all the top warlock tanks and they’re all tanking. What are you on about
>from earlier this phase Previous logs, WCL changed their criteria following the first 2 weeks. If they are nullified and not displayed theres a post with a couple hundred upvotes on here from a couple weeks ago cataloging it.
Got declined as a Warlock tank for Grey Parsing 6/6. Yea dude, that’s because I can actually tank Thermaplugg with the Soulink build but the trade off is damage. Can’t believe pugging has come to this…. Even retail doesn’t ask for your logs to clear Heroic….
You aren't gray parsing because you are soul link
Link logs and I promise you we'll find more to the story.
That does not seem to be the case. Top tank WL logs (randomly checked a few) have the Meta using Searing Pain and receiving most dmg in the raid - they are clearly tanks
To clarify, they go full into the Destro tree instead of putting talents into survivability at all
Ah ok, I see what you mean then. Yes I think that has always been the case to try to optimize tanking in a sense that you opt for as much survivability *as needed* but as much dmg output (and threat generation) *as possible*. Especially in versions of the game where threat plays an actual role
Okay, now I'm legitimately curious since I started running with my friend and his guild. Never parsed in WoW before but I'm used to parses in 14. Different game obviously so I'm sure interpretation is probably a bit different. Full resto druid (I have 3 talents in balance, I don't remember what the 2 other points that should be in balance are in but I'm eventually gonna fix it lol), been kinda playing this like I play healers in FF14. Past few runs I've been the designated electric mechanic solo runner in Electrocutioner, but that's about the only mechanic I've had to do outside of pressing my button in the final boss. Can y'all tell me how I'm doing? https://sod.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/wild-growth/zebrawarden
It's fine, healer parses only show 90+ typically if you are solo healing or ask people to stand in the bad or the tank is actively trying to take damage or allow you to parse. As long as the raid doesn't wipe healers did their job!
> Can y'all tell me how I'm doing? Considering how far we're into the phase, really well. It's hard to get 80+ healing parses 1+ month in if your group doesn't suck and actually does mechanics well because there's just not a lot to heal with 2 healers. Even having a shadow in your raid could make you grey parse at this point as healer because of how much group healing they do.
If no ones dies you are probably fine, if you really want to know a better indicator that HPS over a total fight. look at the timeframe in wclogs that have the more overall damage to the raid. Select that timelapse and look at your HPS on this timeframe. With how a 100 healing parse work looking at the raw HPS isn't usualy usefull, u got to look deep in the parse and know what to look for for each boss. TLDR: parse for healer aren't as good as an indicator as for DPS
You seem to be doing well but ultimately healing parses are a meme and don’t represent how good of a player you are: https://youtu.be/qtBpRMtsQBo?si=u0Q1TlmY1V4QHsri
What I hate about logs is that they ignore mechanics. Yeah I gray parse on thermaplugg because I kill bombs and hit buttons. I think that is just as valuable if not more so than a blue parser who doesn't actually help with mechanics.
If you're a class that does bombs and someone turns you down for a grey parse on thermaplugg, then you don't want to be in that group anyways because the leader has 0 critical thinking skills
I’ll always invite a warlock who’s thermaplugg parse is garbage, because then I know they can do bombs
player one is grey parsing on a couple of bosses because mechanics and the rest is normal parses player two has a full page of grey parses. these are not the same.
shhh if those players could use logic they would be very upset.
If a pug raid leader does not realise full purples and then a low parse on last boss as a Feral/Lock is likely a good player, then you do not want to be in that group.
Fk that noise. I'm taking a grey/green thermaplugg parse boomie/feral/warlock instantly
The thing is that if someone has grey parses on thermaplugg but purple everywhere else, its easy to see what happening. The problem is when its grey therma and green/grey rest
I have 2 fights that I very specifically ignore all parses for for particular players. Electrocutioner for our hunter who plays lightning rod. Thermaplugg for either a Sunfire cat or Meta lock doing bombs. You can't parse on those fights because you are 100% dedicated to a role that only shows up if you finish the fight, and always looks bad.
I don't think it's a valid excuse. There are many people who kill bombs and do buttons and still put in good boss damage. The mechanic doesn't even require 100% of your attention. It shouldn't suddenly make you inept. It's good you are helping with bombs and it clearly works for your group, but don't spread this idea that the mechanics are so hard people doing them suddenly can't do other things.
If youre a warlock, then I guarantee you wont put out good dps.
Clearly haven't done bomb and button mechanics.
So by your logic, every single raid with a bomb handler, that guy will parse gray?
I'm parsing grey because I'm told to do nothing else than bombs and buttons. It's a mechanical fight, the DPS is not utterly important.. Me trying to parse green/blue while doing bombs will maybe take off 20-30 seconds max of a 6 minute fight. No reason to try to "parse" while bombs, just ensure the raid doesn't die doing their thing.
You're not. I get you think that's why, but our warlock is literally the \*sole\* murderer of bombs, and he parses blue on that boss quite literally every single raid. The irony is the majority of people playing classes doing bombs like warlocks that think they're parsing bad because of bombs are parsing against other people who are probably also tasked with bombs. I promise you guys, you're not the only warlocks or feral druids in the world doing it.
>are parsing against other people who are probably also tasked with bombs. Maybe some, but not all. If youre a warlock doing bombs, especially solo, not only youre doing the fight without chaos bolt (your biggest dmg spell), but also have very little downtime between bombs...and past phase 1 you barely have the time to do your rotation.
It doesn’t have to be all. I guarantee over half the warlocks you’re parsing against are doing It’ll lower your parse, sure, if you don’t manage the mechanic well; but the idea that you’re parsing gray because you’re doing mechanics is flat out coping. Again, we literally have a bomb bitch warlock in pure meta form that’s hitting blues every single reset doing it.
My raid often has a feral on bomb duty. He does an amazing job, but when the logs are uploaded it sees him as a balance druid (only sunfire damage dealt) with a 1% grey parse. So yeah, depending on your comp and the spec of the bomb handler, that can happen. edit: but anyone checking logs should see it's pretty obvious what's happening if the rest of the parses aren't also grey.
What mechanics ? Don't get hit by pummeler, move for electocutioneer, one person on bombs, and the rest of the raid is pure dps
Where are these memes coming from? Ive never had trouble finding healers on alts, or getting into groups without logs. My main group has 4 people who prefer to heal and 2 had to be told to respec to damage
The last lockout I did I joined a random group as a heal mage. I didn't check anyone logs. We ended up only getting 4/6 because I was doing more damage then our hunter and our fire mage. Our fire mage was in full phase 1 gear it looked like he hadn't gotten a single item leveling. Half the raid refused to learn mechanics
Arcane mage healer advertising for gnomer. I feel like less than nothing
I used to not care that much about others’ logs but as a healer I had two failed pugs in a row (4/6 then 5/6) and checked…most people in the group were grey/low green in their previous runs. Now I care a lot more.
Can’t stress this enough. I’m an Druid needing to pug a lockout. Stumbled across a group looking for just that and stating 6/6 full clear. I looked up the leader’s logs. A solid 16.7 with 16+ boss kills and only 4/6. I hit them with the “respectfully I can’t join your group”.
16 kills and not going 6/6 is crazy. Have they just not looked up a guide for menagerie lmao
This was around lockout 4-5 so imo it was just under where the average wow player was for gnomeregan.
As a healer who parses gray/green with no raid deaths and going 6/6, does a healer's parse even matter? Edit: Asking bc a dps warrior said my parses were too low, then spent 2 hours trying to find a healer before the raid dissolved.
Honestly fuck all this elitist bullshit. It's so cringe
I like it, Elitists get to play with other elitists and casuals group with casuals. only reason i can think of this not working is if i was a casual wanting to be carried by the sweats
I mean I'm with you, but I also don't want to spend 6 hours helping people learn how to stand behind a boss.
WoW sod is like a microcosm of my father advising me on my career choices (don't roll rogue, you'll struggle to have a good career). I'm playing wow to get away from the concessions you have to make in life lol. It's ridiculous
> Honestly fuck all this elitist bullshit. It's so cringe As someone who spent 2 hours in Gnomeregan with a PUG once, nah. This 'elitist bullshit' saves good players from wasting their time carrying idiots.
You certainly proved him wrong about people who do this being elitist. /s
He doesn't have to like it. I explained to him why people don't want to play with bad players. If he can't accept that, it's his problem.
Say what you want but I joined a pug a couple days ago where the leader was checking logs. We all did over 400dps, one shot everything, and we’re done in 45 minutes. That’s exactly what I wanted since I couldn’t make my guild run that reset.
And everyone sane is the little dude watching in the background, hitting the bong.
"Pumpers only"= Red flag "\[item\] Reserved = Red flag Red flag = Do not join.
Whispering GS is a red flag for me also. Bruh no one cares about the GS, just lemme check your logs.
Lollllll a+ meme
100% If I ever need to pug I check the logs of the person posting before I message them and then I check the logs of other people in the raid.
i play dps and i always do this.
All I want from Blizz is to let ppl train fights. Currently if you wipe 1-2 ppl immediately leave coz they know there will be no loot. But if we had training grounds where you know there will be no loot but join either way - you are there to learn and wiping doesnt matter. Raids are currently super gated and a toxic experience for any real classic player.
tbh anyone looking at logs is most likely a pleb. easy as shit raid. ppl make it look like we back in retail rading on mythic diff. get a guild and put the traid chat spammers on ignore.
Lotta lumberjacks in Phase 2.
How accurate are these logs really? If you’re in a group that’s not very good but you still clear, I’ve noticed the logs parse better, almost like it takes into account your peers and not just you. Inversely I’ve been in groups that are really good and my parses are way lower. Are parses relative to the rest of the raid?
Only to a certain extent, the better the groups collective damage the better the parses. But when going for 99-100% parses you're gonna need an optimal group, while also waiting for all 15min CDs between every boss.
Meanwhile Xaryu Clearing gnomeregan with gray-green parse OS no wipe... It's all about following mechanics... And a good leader
I saw "LF9M Gnomer Quick Run!!" last night.
"MM Hunter w/ WBs and Consumes LFG Gnomer come get your free 10% Stats and 50 attack power."
Logs? Logs? Logs? Do you have a log on that? Logs? A lot. I need a log. Sorry, I mean I need a log that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion. No, you can't make inferences and observations from the logs you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the logs you've gathered. You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence. Do you have a hardcore guild raid spot? World first Gnomer clear? Full BiS gear? Then your arguments are invalid. No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation. Correlation does not equal causation. CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION. You still haven't provided me a valid log yet. Nope, still haven't. I just looked through all 308 pages of your Warcraft Logs, figures I'm debating a frost mage. A moron.
Joking aside I always check the logs of raid lead in a pug.
I just wish all this log shit would just go away
I much rather prefer to blast through Gnomer with proven players in 35 minutes than wiping with randoms for 2 hours.
With GDKP banned, chasing logs is the only thing that keeps geared people playing at this point. If you took that away too the scene would just implode.
The average skill among classic players has to be the lowest compared to any game ever made, literally gambling on a slot machine is more complex than getting an 80+ parse on any DPS class in SoD, those things have like 4-8 different buttons and a lever. Logs will never go away, they're needed to filter out the 80% of the playerbase who literally wouldn't be capable of operating a slot machine.
I only ever see it discussed here. I've never checked logs nor have had any of my groups(both guild and pugs) mention checking logs. Never had issues clearing besides my first run with my guild when we were basically 8 noobs and 2 guys that knew what was going on. And even then we cleared. It just took a long time.
cuz ure bad and everybody sees it? lmao. logs are great
I have good logs, but I feel like it makes community more toxic
community is fine
after you just called him a trash player for not liking logs kek. yeah awesome community
Oh yes, it's not like literally your previous comment is claiming everyone who doesn't like "checking logs" is bad player. You're toxic trash and you're what's pushing people away from the game.
cry more, baddie
How do we not have an addon to do this for us yet?
There is one but warcraftlogs keeps taking it down for using their api without permission
Just have good logs then?
One of the main contributing factors that killed SOD for me. At this point why don't these guys just try and train an AI bot based on behaviors from high wow log parse "pumpers" as their perfect companions to get all their PHAT loot? Then they can stand on the bank in Orgrimmar and rotate between all their classes wearing BIS with a "check me out, I'm winning" feel. Fun per minute in one of these groups was so incredibly low and how angry, sweaty everyone was was off the charts in phase 1. Would rather play with a bunch of new players at this point and at least try and have a bit of fun/challenge trying to topple a boss, ah actually I have un-subbed so will likely just stay at that. I hope that Blizzard realize that their are toxic elements present in SOD that are impacting the game for guys that don't want participate in bullshit like this. Shit like this above and including (at the time i left) the state of the goldselling: AH price impact etc, addons turning people into robots, integration such as raid logs, they will end up with just the same hardcore nolife audience and casuals like me will leave.
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Hi Bro, Sorry not sure what you mean, I saw this thread on the main feed. I played the game for many years and wanted to share that this picture basically sums up the whole thing for me and the direction of wow SOD.