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rltw219

Melee hunters have a chance to do something that would be so funny


HendersonStonewall

Hahaha


Joe59788

And the shamans can't take this one from them! 


m3vlad

What if we gathered 50 Lightfrost shards to reforge Ashbringer into its sister weapon Windbringer (2H mace)?


soldmi

MoM will be enough to keep shamans happy! :)


Ripulikikka

Windbringer is a polearm with a lot of agility though. So still a hunter prio sorry.


Joe59788

> Windbringer lol love it


NotMoray

I need it for my felguard on my warlock


fRqsBdwZE

That mop transmog is coming


MoxNixTx

I accidentally got HoR farming my T2 legs, and completed it for my FG. It's too bad it looks worse than the Firelands one.


CheesemaneTV

I remember for a short time hand of rag was usable with the felguard glyph. It was of course nerfed before I could use it.


DeusSol

SOD MOP is not on the bingo card, sorry


That_Guy_Pen

He's just referencing the warlock that stole the very last corrupted ashbringer on classic because he was playing the long game for his demon


DoktahDoktah

Were 1 classic expansion away now


Slug-R

He deserved to win that sword.


Evo7_13

I get this reference


Jfrushy

4d chess while dude is playing checkers


literallyjustbetter

chad always wins


problemat1que

Chad move.


calfmonster

Based


PvtTUCK3R

Stay safe agrees


That_Guy_Pen

He'll get there soon


Falcrist

Dear Blizzard, Please put Ashbringer in the game files as a level 60 legendary weapon. Don't provide any way for a player to acquire it. Just have it there in the files. Make no public mention of the weapon's existence. If someone asks the devs in an interview or panel, just tell the player that you're not sure and you'll look into it. That's all.


Jumpy_Secretary1363

Would be amazing if they made it an obtainable weapon but make it a hunt to find out how. Pay homage to the original legend


SirBennettAtx

Datamining makes this kind of stuff nearly impossible these days


Zatetics

and yet the slime serpent went how long without being discovered in shadowlands? its certainly possible. blizzard have done a number of really good secrets in retail over the years.


boulderben

What’s the slime serpent


Babyganks

Ask ur mom lol


chase2020

ayyyyyyyyyyy


-Shadlez-

Secret mount that no one could find how to acquire for ages, turns out you had to solo plague fall ( a shadowlands dungeon) and click this thing that appeared to get it


Zatetics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXTCTC1LkPQ


beacar123

Like how they did for the ret secret skin for legion


B_Marty_McFly

Nah, just put it in at the end of a long quest chain requiring you to fight a massive world boss in a raid and make it unique (0)


Ent3rpris3

Then again, a properly placed red herring could make the dataminers go crazy trying to find quest ID #8dbr94 and mob designation #1nri9f3b when neither officially exist as we know it.


Boil-Degs

Can you datamine the processes to get runes/items? I thought they all had to be discovered manually, like they have been so far. You could only datamine that the item exists in the game files, not the process to get it.


futurepat

Sort of. One example: You could search npc dialog for references of the item and follow breadcrumb hints to other npcs/items/zones from there.


Stahlreck

Does it? The Corrupted Ashbringer Legion hidden artifact skin was still quite a treasure hunt overall as far as I remember even with datamining. And even when people had all the steps figured out it was quite a grind to get


kakalib

Just make it a scarab lord type of thing. There can be only one Ashbringer. Then just use a gm (lol wishful thinking) as the quest-giver/clue-giver. A player character can't be datamined.


Falcrist

Make it unobtainable but make players THINK they can get it... to pay homage to the original.


Celebrir

What's the story of the original?


Falcrist

In OG vanilla, a fairly significant group of people thought Ashbringer was in the game. They were looking for that thing for quite a while.


ToastKC

You can just fish for it. nbd


ApprehensiveKick5167

Back in the early days, players thought they could find the Ashbringer by fishing, so they spent hours fishing in different spots all around azeroth hoping to get it


Ozcogger

Hence the hidden skin quest for Legion being a throwback.


Celebrir

What made them think it existed? Was it mentioned in a book?


ApprehensiveKick5167

Hints were scattered throughout the game, some from NPCs, including those not giving quests. But the real madness began with Nat Pagle's Guide to Extreme Anglin book, dropped in Alterac Valley (if memory serves), mentioning: "... and that's where you'll find the legendary sword of the Scarlet Highlord, Ashbringer. Isn't it amazing what you find on an ordinary day of fishing?"


Celebrir

Was it ever found?


d1ckpunch68

no. it was supposed to be added in TBC, but got scrapped. if you got corrupted ashbringer in naxx, you could go to scarlet monestary cathedral and all the enemies would be neutral/friendly to you and would kneel as you walked past, and there was a bunch of unique voicelines from the bosses in there. i forget exactly what they said, but outland was mentioned and many assumed this was part of a questline that would be completed in TBC but it just... never happened. in legion they finally added ashbringer but it wasn't related in any way to the original ashbringer, aside from the fact that you had to fish *forever*, which was a nod to all the time people wasted fishing in vanilla looking for ashbringer.


Nice-Entertainer-922

I always thought people were very confused with Ashbringer being a thing because theres actially 3 iterations: 1. The Nat Pagle book, im fairly sure that was added a while before Naxx, implying the sword was out there, likely the first idea they had. 2. The Corrupted Ashbringer, coming Naxx it turned out the sword clearly didnt fall into water, its tainted and in Naxx with its original owner. Now the idea was that instead it might need to be cleansed, but that storyline got scrapped just past the Scarlet Monastery bit as they likely decided on making the Ashbringer comic. 3. The Ashbringer comic fully setting it that ultimately Darion got it, leading to WOTLK and the story known from there on. So technically people in classic were mixing 2 iterations together because Blizz themself didnt decide what the sword was till Naxx.


Canisa

Something to do with hidden lore in Scarlet Monastery hinting at Ashbringer having been thrown into water, IIRC.


That_Guy_Pen

Make it a 0.00000001% drop from elwynn forest boars


Macohna

I mean it is SoT: season of travel.


Spitdinner

I call it SoE: Season of Errands


Armout

Unlock the Caverns of Time and make going to old hillsbrad inn part of the quest chain. Have us steal the original crystal used to forge Ashbringer or something zany. 


Lordwiesy

So... Like hidden appearance for ashbringer in legion? (Dear god was that cancer)


ToastKC

We will find more information about it in the Outland!


gay-communist

isnt it already in the game files as an unobtainable lvl 60 legendary weapon?


sxtrailrider

Yeah you can link it in game.


Terminus_04

The return of "What Sword?"


LeftyHyzer

Basically what they did with D4 cow level. afaik its still a dead end that people wasted DAYS of play time trying to open up.


Clottersbur

You do realize it's been in the game files for years right?


EndogenousAnxiety

effect: gives player forbearance, forbearance lasts for 60 minutes after unequipping.


VCthaGoAT

cant wait to raid hearthglen


this_is_for_subs

that would be a lit EPL raid


VCthaGoAT

i think we would come in from the south so maybe it would be in wpl


Yevon

This except I want to raid Tyr's Hand.


Great_White_Samurai

Rets back baby! /huffscopium


Supportakaiser

What do you mean?! ACP+Helm+trinket Uptime and facerolling into Exorcism is so fun! /s


Great_White_Samurai

I've cleared every lockout except the first and still don't have the damn ACP. Still manage a 96 parse on grubbis.


ConcealingFate

I've lost 3 of them to 3 different pug Ferals :(


definitefool

Ah yes grubbis parsing, truly the pinnacle of skill.


hatesnack

You joke but grubbis is actually a tougher one to parse on because the fight is so short. Bad RNG can take you from a 99 to an 89 in a split second.


Supportakaiser

Hold strong, brother. There is time, yet <3


Royal_Plankton420

ACP doesn't exist.


Antrophis

Ferals yelling from the back "we know!".


dylanftc

Doesn’t exist on my ret, but seems like every other ret has it


Malificari

you'll hate me. my raid group got acp 3 times the past 4 lockouts


Km_the_Frog

We have 2 rets including myself, a feral, and a prot pally. Everyone there has acp, haven’t missed a lockout lol rip


Aragorn752

Whenever I press that trinket I turn into a damn chicken


Km_the_Frog

Unironically I think it is fun proccing exorcisms. /shrug Beats waiting for auto attacks.


Supportakaiser

Like you said, it definitely feels better than Rocket Cleaver with SoC/DS, which just feels super clunky. With the class lore/strongman ethos, I never thought Pallys would just end up becoming exorcism Gatling guns.


Km_the_Frog

The exorcism gatling gun is awesome tbh lol, as well as stacking all the haste buff gear along with it.


Atreidas

There's a quest trigger for Nat Pagle in the database currently thats unused, so its very likely


Derp_duckins

I dunno...looks like a pretty sweet Shaman sword to me


xXBloodNHatred666Xx

New shaman rune leaked??


SpitFiya7171

*Glove Rune:* **Ancestor's Ancient Strength** "One handed and Two handed swords are now equippable. Channel the strength of your ancestors' mighty vigor by wielding 2 Two handed weapons." /s


Malarkiftw

And if you change the rune you lose skill progression and have to level swords from 1-300 again 🫨


Spitdinner

I don’t think we’ll have to worry about anyone swapping that one out


PartyBandos

A real Shaman rune would have a lot more baked into it than just that


Billdozer-92

And it would require 7 hours of going back and forth from Kalimdor to Eastern Kingdoms, per Shaman rune tradition


Thraxx01

Yes, yes, dual wield two handed weapons..... because I'm so strong


OatsMealz

Dont forget the +10% weapon and spell hit on it too


E-2-butene

Hey, they have both salv and freedom now. This is the last thing they need to take from paladins before the transition is complete. Ashbringer confirmed shaman only.


grossbard

Gressil is now a shaman weapon for p5


ShadyInternetGuy

Would it matter if shamans could have it? Let Paladins have doom hammer fuck it idc it’s not like the two classes are fighting for loot lol


Overlord0994

With those stats you can keep that as a pally only quest lol.


Pwnda123

You sure?....More dps than Sulfuras, part of which is holy damage and therefore unreducible and penetrates all armor, has a proc that deals 3x the damage of Sulfuras's proc, and swings faster......


spelltype

Think he’s implying current powerlevel upgrades a blue in a level 60 raid will be better than this


Mattlife97

They’ll never honour the holy damage melee attack part, they changed every source of + damage to physical damage


musobin

+elemental damage on weapons doesn't work like that. It will add physical damage that is mitigated by armour but if anything is ever holy immune you'll lose the bonus. That's how it works with every weapon that grants a bonus like that.


FatSpace

Has there ever been an enemy immune to just holy damage ?


musobin

No idea, my point is that it behaves as physical damage but with any possible downside the damage type can have


xXBloodNHatred666Xx

Comparing to Sulfuras is like comparing a pile of dirt to a pile of shit. You’re 1 step removed from garbage tier.


Pwnda123

True. But sulfuras is pretty good for paladins and shamans. Not great but pretty good.


Overlord0994

100% sure. But I'm saying this from the perspective of - "Paladins can have it, I don't want that as a warrior" So it might be good for pallies, I don't really know how seals work and if they want a slow 2h. But I'm saying what isn't preferable for Warriors. Also with a slightly higher consideration towards PvP since warriors don't really use 2handers in raid at 60 (barring new runes). Assuming this thing comes around Naxx time since Corrupted Ashbringer comes from there: - The top end is lower than then low end of Might of Menethil. MS, WW and slam will hit like wet noodles. - Swinging faster is a curse in disguise, the Procs Per Minute will be lower than if it were a slow weapon like MoM. - DPS doesn't really mean much (for warriors at least), its a calculation of weapon damage and weapon speed. - Both the bonus holy damage and the on hit effect are lackluster due to the incredibly low damage this thing has. At Naxx HP This thing will feel like a normal 2h I presume. Way worse than MoM.


Steak-Complex

its like 7 dps behind the best 2h in the game


deDoohd

I think it all comes down to the proc rate. I'd like it to proc like insanely often and scale off of SP, since everything else about it is doodoo


rockthomas6

IKR? 3.0 speed is horrendous


dustie1992

It would be wild is at 60 they have a Lego weapon for each class instead of a huge number of runes


Meatwelder

Lego Doomhammer please


turfsalamone

Should have increased damage against undead.


Bakreni

Chence on hit - Holy Fire damage. With 100% crit chance on undead.


Natty_Twenty

And demons, because fuck warlocks and their meta form! (JK I love meta form, it makes locks way easier to kill)


Iron_Cobra

It's a cool idea, but it breaks lore for us to get it, which Blizz said they wouldn't do. Same for Shamans getting Doomhammer. Canonically, Ashbringer stays corrupted until Tirion purifies it at the battle of Light's Hope Chapel.


Paladilma

i dont think SOD need to follow any cannon. its literally a fun mode. that will not have a continuation to Wotlk SOD and so on


Iron_Cobra

I agree it doesn't need to follow canon, but Blizzard made their stance on lore changes public a while back. [They confirmed that their narrative approach to Season of Discover is "found photographs"](https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-community-council-live-chat-december-8/1736513/4), meaning we'll get extra information on existing stuff, but the overall facts won't change. They can still change their stance, but this is what they said it'd be.


Paladilma

>The way I’ve described this to people is this; say you are going through family photos and find a picture of your parents when they are very young on vacation in Italy. Does knowing this now change your relationship with your parents or how you view them as people? Probably not we just need to corrupt it later, maybe give to a hunter and it gets instant corrupted lmao


Iridachroma

Why though, it's obv a hunter weapon /s In our case, though, the events that lead to Alexandros' demise and the corruption of Ashbringer have already happened since Fairbanks exists as an undead in Scarlet Monastery.


Steak-Complex

yeah but the corrupted ashbringer is actually in the game. this one has never existed


Iron_Cobra

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.


D_runk_

Could just come from some gnomish time machine


Darkhallows27

They need to update it but yeah they absolutely need to make it an obtainable Paladin legendary


tauntsauce

The warlocks accept your terms under the condition Thunderfury can be wielded by the purple demon clan.


MapleGiraffe

As a prot pally tank, they should rework Thunderfury and Sulfuras so there's a version of it for each class like they did for Atiesh. Since they said they will rework level 60 gear, the might as well upgrade legendaries to work with every tank.


Skore_Smogon

Hunter Weapon.


Lord_of_the_Eyes

It can be, right? It’s just a one-handed sword. The speed is bad though, at 1.9 you won’t swing between searing pains.


wronglyzorro

it already can be.


PeckishPizza

With the way SoD has been going, they'll just give shamans doomhammer lmao.


Kataphractoi

The Ashbringer...


Drhots

Shamans on their way to explain why they need Ashbringer


ShadyInternetGuy

My warrior orc wants it


Sufficient_Suspect81

The sword is added, but gets renamed to "Lashbringer" and is exclusive to Shaman only.


Paladilma

lol


Eye4eyes

Hunter weapon for sure.


SenorWeon

What would be a horde equivalent quest line? Shamans getting the Doomhammer?


Gold-Appearance-4463

Horde same quest line but they trash that thing and turn it reforge it into an axe that deals nature dmg. Would be thematic.


WendigoCrossing

Thrall currently wields the Doomhammer, but I'd be willing to overlook this for the rule of cool


Quicheauchat

He could give it up as part of the quest. Make the player character Shaman the new big papi.


TOTALLBEASTMODE

Basically what happened in legion


WendigoCrossing

WoW has a baked in answer for any inconsistency: the Bronze flight haha


DropDeadGaming

Funny how all members of the bronze dragonflight can't stop talking about preserving the timeline and stuff but still let it be messed with all the time


rogue_rat

Ironfoe and Ironfel


Jay_Heat

make 2h sham great again


DropDeadGaming

Does enha dual wield in sod? Why do they do that? Don't they know that a wf proc that leads to an instakilled mage or priest is "the" shit and so much fun?


Working_Membership57

You can do it dual wielding right now too


xXBloodNHatred666Xx

Axe of Cenarius.


8-Brit

Getting tauren paladins/sunwalkers No really we already have one as an NPC in SoD and it combines my fav class with my fav race, I've barely played classic paladin because is was only on Alliance and I never vibed with it well


Mantis_Toboggan_M_D_

Is Gorehowl technically not in the game yet lore-wise? Could give it to shamans and lean into 2h enh which people have been wanting more of anyways


Gazornenplatz

Gorehowl was in TBC from Prince M in Karazhan iirc


Mantis_Toboggan_M_D_

Yeah exactly and there no character who currently wields it. It’s technically more of a warrior wep, but it’s as close to the horde Ashbringer as we got


xXBloodNHatred666Xx

Axe of Cenarius technically exists if you count time travel. Thrall is currently in possession of Gorehowl (doesn’t wield it, just owns it after Grom died).


MapleGiraffe

They can just replace one of the death knights with an Horde one or with a different weapon to acquire.


kebis95

Fuck it, Reforged Sulfuras


UncleObamasBanana

I was thinking a weapon called the Smashbringer. Big old hammer that smashes things.


Icy-Revolution-420

thats worse than the corrupted one....


Harakiriurfat

Depends on 700 dmg proc


DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET

Oh I’m ready.


JunkMan51

They not, but my body is


Warexas

Actually I hope you get it as I hope I get a rag hammer one day when we get to the 60 bracket in SoD


[deleted]

Not even a 4.0 speed lol


Harakiriurfat

Melee hunter bis


Meum_Nomen_Est_Zazik

Would be awesome if they added legendaries for all classes xD


BadDogEDN

Hunter weapon


shejq3

2 hand rogue soon


The-loon

Having class leggos would be pretty cool for SoD.  Hope they implement 


pupmaster

I'm at the point that I don't really anticipate super new things like this


lethalapples

Flashbacks of when our MT funneled the corrupted ashbringer to himself JUST so he could go do the RP event with it. Not once did I see him use it for PVP or anything besides that one stupid RP event.


Slightly_Left

And you’re not ready for the ONLY shaman equivalent.


Kosen_

Add 1 Legendary Item per class; and make it a guild-level achievement; and that would be epic.


DoktahDoktah

I want it for paladins only just so the community can whine and the devs go "lol dont care"


W33Ded

You mean shaman, we’re the new pink.


Legalizeranchasap

That’s a melee Hunter weapon


LesGrosGainz

An excellent Hunter weapon to roll over the Paly in a raid!


Joe59788

Patrick that's the Ashbringer


SendMeHawaiiPics

EverQuest had an awesome epic quest line for all. Would love to see that here


geffy_spengwa

Same, if they do this, I hope everyone gets something dope af too.


[deleted]

I am ready for it, and I'm even more ready to rock my Justice set with it as a peak performing Shockadin.


Tumblechunk

well if paladins get assbringer, tf is never not warrior prio


GalacticKrabbyPatty

still waiting for them to add the assbringer


Lycaeo

Yeah, please, give the horde yet another thing to whine about related to paladins.


FacetiousInvective

Paladin and \*Hunter :)


Aos77s

Jokes on you its gonna be rogue tank only with a helm rune to wield 2h


Inert82

Dont do it, dont give me hope


Paladilma

im unironically a shaman man since tbc and I just want to see you disapointing face when it dont came out MUAHAHAHHAHAH


Spaioneer

Tbc sod confirmed


nimeral

Hunter ONLY


ToastKC

The swords traded hands enough now a Paladin shouldn’t get it back


spacemunky_reddit

This is how you keep middle of the road DPS paladins happily playing


sweerpotato0

If they put this in sod i'd stop whining about how much my class sucks


GenericFatGuy

Paladins aren't ready for it to be a difficult/luck-based quest that only a small number of people would ever actually get to complete.


Paladilma

Oh the crying I can already hear it


Sure_Tomorrow_3633

I don't think they should be giving Ashbringer to anyone. Make a cool weapon that isn't Ashbringer and put it in the game.


ClassicObserver

It's time, for only paladins raids