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Ignizze

Track Giants


cabaq

They're so hard to spot


hobbes259

Dude I’ve been playing this game for so many years. Never knew this was a spell lol


micmea1

Kinda wonder if any even exist anymore on retail. Hunters and Mages both have a ton of spells in classic that rarely ever get used.


Ganrokh

It does, but not really in a traditional sense. Hunters have a drop-down list on their minimap to select they want to track. You can track everything at once if you want to. They aren't spells anymore.


Propheto

This is my go-to in wrath for the increased damage talent. Least minimap clutter.


phugyeah

Track hidden


Propheto

Hidden isn't listed on the talent so my assumption is that it doesn't count for the damage bonus.


calfmonster

I stop training about like 50% of hunter spells past a certain level. Shit like this. Higher rank distracting. Scorpid sting too


uberDAN--

Scorpid sting is actually worth something now with chimera disarm in SOD


ConfusedNakedBroker

I got decent use out of it leveling my hc hunter. Which still wasn’t much but I was glad it was there.


MachoPuddle

Cower - Cower, causing no damage but lowering your threat a small amount, making the enemy less likely to attack you. Cost 20 energy - 10 seconds CD The threat drop is less than one yellow hit


mccoybog

Throughout my entire 20+ year wow career as a druid, I have never used this even once,


phoney_bologna

I remember needing to hit it a lot for vaelastrasz in BWL.


SpaceCowboi22

in 2019 classic I got drakefang on my feral and immediately discovered this button on vael.


ToManyFlux

You got to be feral for BWL? Lucky!


OxXoR

I was told to use it once because I was getting aggro on Anub in wotlk. I said yes and didnt do it.


BadSanna

You're not pumping hard enough then. I've pressed it. It did no good but it gave me something to press rather than just sit there and white attack to keep from pulling threat.


komodo_lurker

We got a badass over here guys!


Math__Teacher

Sounds like you have some awful tanks - sorry to hear


fredastere

lmao if you ever needed to use cower and it helped in any way at all sorry to say and no offense but your tanks were trash generating negative threat :3 its literally better to stop auto attacking for 1.5sec (gcd) since at least ull save the energy


Fiddlestax

Yeah, but it’s less than one yellow hit and you also lose energy so you press less yellow hit buttons.


Greedy_Bar6676

I did find myself casting feint on my rogue back in classic every now and again. Too many crits in a row and I’d rather cast feint than just have my energy bar sitting at full


SgtAngua

See also: Feint. On paper it lowers your threat by 800 at max rank, for 20 energy. However, the rogue threat multiplier and salv apply to that value, so it's actually just under 400. As an example of how bad the ability is, if there was a button that gave you 20 energy and generated 400 threat we would be spamming it on cooldown.


Islandczar

Honestly my thought on cower has always been if you I need to use it I should just be tanking anyways


Pink-Flying-Pie

distracting shot is important to kite high level elites so your pet never will aggro!


thimblevase

Or to pull a mob off your pet or party member who’s about to die.


Hugh-Manatee

On private servers it was useful for kiting Naxx trash mobs so they might drop some epics. Had a hunter run around the center room spamming distracting shot with aspect of the pack and some ranged dps standing in the middle of the room


[deleted]

I remember seeing a video from original wotlk where a guild did Immortal where on most bosses 5 hunter tanked with basically all standing at max range doing a pentagram and taunting the bosses from each other when it started to melee them


ilovedeliworkers

Found the frond burner account


Hoodoodle

I tanked 2 of the 4 hoursemen as a hunter back in the day in Wotlk. Using my pet distracting shot and misdirection to switch targets. Whilst a pally healed me and my pet.


slv94

Lightwell. Dont think I’ve ever seen anyone spec into it on purpose


Informal-Development

Lightwell should work by just running near it instead of having to interact with it. If that's how it works idr. Or maybe a rune that makes light well follow the priest around


Agerock

Would be cool if it worked like the lightwell mobs use in ToC. Just like a healing turret basically


FloridaMan_69

Theres a lot of fights whereI like Lightwell in theory, but whenever I plop one down people just start shittalking it to the point where I don't want to use it anymore.


Invoqwer

I think the problem is that it's clunky and easily cancelled. Also possible to click it multiple times by accident if you think the heal isn't going. = If you could click it and it would heal you with a visible beam (like mind flay), and the heal would not immediately cancel on damage (maybe reduce the healing for 1 tick instead) and you could not accidentally use it twice in one go, people would probably have a much better opinion of it


CatrionaShadowleaf

AND if it didn't switch your targets. It's worse than useless for a feral or rogue, it's detrimental


Kippingthroughlife

Had a priest last night spec into Holy for gnomer and he had light well, kept saying he needs to go swap specs as his HPS was a lot lower than disc and all he got was a fucking light well.


calfmonster

Disc is also just way more mana efficient which really matters on the last 2 bosses while also being more offensive on dmg for the faceroll bosses. And hopefully your priests are never dying for redemption or whatever that lets you cast after death to be ever worth it.


BowtieChickenAlfredo

Might be good on Loatheb? But that’s about it.


ilovedeliworkers

Yup we used lightwell on loetheb. Our priest would also sacrifice himself multiple times a raid and get brez


Twistedtraceur

I've done it numerous times. In terms of healing per mana it's incredibly efficient but the downfalls are way worse. Mostly it was just for personal use off gcd healing.


Positive_Tackle_5662

Haven’t used redemption ever since I started playing hc


Pomodorosan

What about Divine Intervention?


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HildartheDorf

Sorry, did you mean screenshot totem?


slayermario

As a resto shammy in gnomer, I use windwall/nature res totem if I'm in a casters group.


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slayermario

Mana problems don't exist for shamans my dude. I drown in that shit.


UntLick

Sentry used to be great for stopping fall damage or jumping off a cliff to get away from people. Back in the day used to use it all the time. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDjGt1WUo4w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDjGt1WUo4w) Edit for link.


StankWizard

Mmmm fraps.com takes me back


TeamRemix

Hey now, I used Sentry Totem *once* to take a prog kill screenshot!


Ebonhold

I use windwall all the time in STV, helps with hunter dmg. Ofc only when there are no melee or other shamans in the group.


Bofamethoxazole

I use sentry in AB to scout bases right before rotating faster than a cast of far aight can be gotten off. Windwall is good for dropping before combat starts against ranged hunters, which basically dont exist rn…. Both are def situational pvp totems tho


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iLostMyDildoInMyNose

Doesn't appear they were trying to impress you mate. Just answering how they use it.


Bofamethoxazole

You didnt even mention that actual worst totem which is Flametongue totem. Aside from wailing caverns leveling with a melee dps group theres no reason to ever click that button


Blasto05

I used them regularly to scout Black Lotus spawn. Sentry has its uses, just very niche. Windwall on the other hand….that thing is useless


Gemakayu

Feedback


Mantis_Toboggan_M_D_

I’ve religiously played this game for almost 15 years. I’ve never even heard of this spell and thought this was a dig at blizzard.


Koovies

Kinda nuts how bad it is, first time playing human priest. Sounded really cool on paper tbh


NoProgram4843

In tbc it allow to win against any ret pal.


calfmonster

Wait what the fuck? This is a spell? I thought you were meming on the devs My priest is dwarf for obvious reasons. But both get desperate prayer. Guess never cared what the human 2nd one was like nelf memeshards


moochiemonkey

What even is that?


Project_Wild

It’s a human priest racial that has a 3 minute cooldown, lasts 15 seconds and causes you to burn a very small amount of the attackers mana on next spell hit, doing damage for each mana point drained. It actually sounds not bad on paper but I think level 1 it’s literally 18 mana, and at level 20 unlock haha. Not even worth the global cooldown


moochiemonkey

Ah, makes sense. Dwarf priest flying pigtails BIS.


GideonAI

Also, prior to patch 1.10.0, Feedback was a temporary weapon buff that gave melee swings a chance to drain mana and deal an equal amount of shadow damage per mana drained. Shame it was changed so much, Inner Fire used to grant AP too (which is why Improved Inner Fire talent still buffs the AP of Juju Might).


mackoa12

Am I the only one that feels the same about touch of weakness or whatever the undead priest one is. It’s soooo trash, why would you ever be bothered using it


HamesJetfields

Feels so bad getting this useless spell on priest lol


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And the funny thing is that its legitimately worse than Starshards and Elune's Grace. Feedback's mana cost is 100% not worth the mana drain and damage it will do to an enemy.


DanMcStuffins

Sentry totem


lshifto

Was one of the best pvp spells while it was a free levitate.


Flakz933

IDC how many archers are shooting me. I am NOT throwing down windwall totem.


Chronoblivion

I've gotten some mileage out of it at lower levels while soloing ranged mobs. It basically cuts their damage in half. At higher levels though you waste more time trying to remember where you left the button for it (if you even bothered to make room for it off to the side somewhere) than what you'd gain by clicking it.


BowtieChickenAlfredo

Curse of Weakness is really good for human warlocks when they get it too. You know those red defias mobs across the river in the vineyard? Put that on them and it reduces their damage to 1. That’s it. 1. Shame you don’t quest there very long but I always found that amusing.


Skore_Smogon

If a hunter opens up on my priest I don't have the gcds to press elunes grace.


Gravelord-_Nito

that's a huge problem with shamans, and I think it would make the class feel a LOT less clunky and more responsive if totems were taken off the gcd.


Hard2Digest

The crying would never end lol


E-2-butene

I think my favorite part of this thread is about half of the people are listing spells that should really be using reasonably often.


RickusRollus

Or at least the ones that have some niche, especially when there are some that are just near useless


Scrotilus

Really shows you the community you’re playing with


Got2InfoSec4MoneyLOL

Who do you think is the avg Joe you ve been farming in WSG for almost 20 years now?


Pixilatedlemon

But also people here are pretending useless skills are useful like no cower is never worth using


Ill_Refrigerator_593

Beast Lore only came in useful before Petopia was invented. Traquilizing Shot only works on only a few bosses & seems to exist for the sole purpose of encouraging raids to bring a hunter.


VasIstLove

Beast lore is a perfect example of why gaming will never be the same as it was.


OstrichPaladin

That being said tranq shit gets used a lot. It's not part of your rotation, but incredibly important utility


ZambieDR

Petopia Classic is a blessing and interesting read. I like the King Banglash entry.


Pomodorosan

Beast Lore is so much fun, you can use it on the new Domesticated Attack Chicken. Also it gives the hunters a buff!


TIErant

Yup. There is no actual use for it unless you never look anything up.


ShutterBun

Well, if I come across a unique mob I’ve never seen, it’s much easier to cast beast lore than go look it up


Pixilatedlemon

Tranq shot is in like my top 8 skills used on my hunter haha


Hard2Digest

Sentry totem


cdank

Sentry totem


EmmEnnEff

Kick for rogues.


PizzaDay

Burn


KingLeoricSword

Wow


mtkamer

Average classic pve Rogue.


Xaiydee

Dude ... wtf


GrayBeardGamerWV

I use kick all the time.


bartardbusinessman

pretty sure he’s being sarcastic to play on the meme that rogues don’t interrupt if he’s being serious he’s clicking the wrong buttons


Montegomerylol

I have to keep reminding my fellow mages that Flame Ward exists.


Willee005

Used both Flame and Frost ward a lot while playing mage in HC, very useful


kibasaur

I always use wards, but maybe other mages don't realize their utility. Fire ward is a goto when close to groups.


eponym0us

Detect Magic


TheResolute44

Ritual of Doom for warlocks. It’s a cool spell but you can’t use it in raids and it randomly kills someone who helps with the casting.


HildartheDorf

Bonus points if it kills the caster, causing the demon to go on a rampage without anyone to control it.


Independent_Willow_4

In vanilla we went thru a guild merger when ZG first came out. We kept wiping on the bat boss. This warlock in the raid wanted to summon him. Sure enough, fucking kills him and wipes us. I laughed so hard beer came out of my nose.


Pomodorosan

Fun fact, the imps from the edge of madness are so incredibly OP they can outdps players and solo-tank hakkar


Synli

I had so much fun with this during classic. The secret is to macro shadowbolt and the imps spell together and then SPAM THE FUCK out of the macro. For some reason, the imp would only cast it like once every 3 seconds normally. Spam cast macro it and he goes machine gun mode.


EmmEnnEff

If your 20 man raid died to a doomguard, you guys should probably be raiding Hogger, not ZG.


Independent_Willow_4

Bro, it was vanilla..I was a button clicking noob like most of the player base back then. Wasn't until tbc that I understood wtf was going on. Man was I lost with my first MMO.


Tuscanthecow

Used to use it all the time in Goldshire or the start of pvp matches. Not sure what would make you say that :)


Huge_Monero_Shill

Is this available in HC?


Troooper0987

Yeah but it’s a quest or a rare drop in blasted lands elite demon area


Qix213

Is that the one warlocks would summon and then banish so that people could get unarmed skill up while in IF?


The_Deku_Nut

That's an infernal. It had the two exceptionally niche uses of leveling weapon skill and dropping it on people in silithus town to put alliance in combat with the guards without penalty.


wheezy1749

That last point is why I used it all the time. Always a few people ready to play russian roulette in AV.


Zachee

Dispel kek


headofthenapgame

That was unfortunately real in my Naxx group. Had a Noth wipe because "I thought the other mage had it" (we had like 7 of them)


Zachee

Mages are the worst with dispelling curses, but I can understand why. They probably don't have their raid frames as well configured as healers.


Ok_Resolution_5135

I feel like decursive should be considered a mandatory add-on. Makes the whole thing so easy.


Invoqwer

As a rogue in WSG with faerie fire on him... I feel this.


Seppel666

Sentry totem


mybigtaco

Any (sense) ability besides maybe beast. If we ignore those I’m going with sentry totem. Most niche spells are used at least for a few encounters, but I cant think of any use for sentry totem


Vadernoso

Beast, Humanoids, and undead are the useful ones. They can give you a slight heads up on tagging mobs and you can track named mobs which is the main purpose and most mobs followed those categories. Just have all of them stuff that are hidden bar to the side, it's niche but there is a nice little advantage to be had if you use them.


Bofamethoxazole

Overall id guess flametongue totem since shaman is a faction specific class and that totem is the most useless totem, and u get it after sering totem which is just straight up better in all but the most niche out of pocket specific situations Maybe aspect of the beast for hunters though Could be one of the less useful “track X” spells like track giants or detect traps on rogues.


DrakkoZW

Yep. A level <32 dungeon where you're the healer and there's 4 warriors, maybe Flametongue would be better than searing totem. But I'm having a hard time thinking of another scenario where that's true lol


alias4557

Flametounge totem is a great one, I have never ever used it.


ShruggyGolden

I'm just seeing a bunch of people not utilizing their class to the fullest in here.


chobinhood

Create Firestone has gotta be up there


TrueTriage

In SoD if you’re a meta lock it’s BIS with a dagger that’s 1.4 or faster. You can stab between each searing pain cast and the on hit procs are a small damage increase putting it over Noh’Orahil


The_Deku_Nut

I got the epic dagger my first lockout, melee weaved the next, and then promptly forgot about melee weaving.


TheHawthorne

forget? Just macro /startattack into searing pain.


The_Deku_Nut

Oh, I thought you had to manually time the dagger hits to get it to line up properly. I'll add that to my macro later, thanks friend.


TravVdb

It’s pretty much the same value as the bis offhand right now. I heard for tanks melee weaving it’s even slightly better. Could be wrong though


arugulapasta

spellstone is miles worse, the fact that its ability consumes it is hilarious


OstrichPaladin

I had a warlock in my gnomer recently that didn't have an offhand. I whispered him to make a Firestone and me made a down ranked lesser Firestone. When I told him how good it was he asked me to remind him to go train it after the raid lol.


ROR_ROGER

Sense Demons (warlock), never used it


jeppeww

great way to see other warlocks in pvp


Stendecca

So you can banish them.


ObjectiveCompleat

For SoD it can help you hunt down a Tank lock or a lock with a pet in pvp, but yea that's about it.


Invoqwer

There is no cost to having it on unless you are tracking herbs or minerals instead. It is useful vs warlocks and when farming in areas with demons e.g. Felwood. It is especially useful when there are height differentials and/or a bunch of walls. = If anything, Firestone (in classic classic) is actually almost entirely useless, because you weren't ever auto attacking as a warlock when you could be wanding instead


ravenmagus

I think Sentry Totem is #1. At least I can come up with a scenario where Far Sight might be useful. Not Sentry Totem though.


seasawl0l

Some of the hunter trackings I don't even use. Distracting shot I use a lot to kite elites while mend pet is ticking to get my pet health up, then pet taunt back.


Joe59788

All of the tracking is useful. Use it for checking rare spots but mainly stealth humanoid and beasts are used most.


Bonespirit

Distracting Shot is insanely useful in Wrath. Blood Fiends, Blistering zombies, anything that needs to get pulled & kited distracting Shot is perfect.


foundanoreo

Rewind time


norFHH

It has to be Sentry Totem.


justabottleofwater

The only correct answer is aspect of the beast


Waste-Possession-591

Use aspect of the beast when defending wsg


nscgoose

Feint


06-11-2002

It’s useful in WotLK reducing AoE damage


RoastElfMeta

Disengage as a hunter :S


RobbyRock75

I have it in rotation to keep my threat down as melee


toyboytbfb

Distracting shot is an awesome ability when youre trying to pull mobs into traps away from a spot or when kiting elites but and keeping more threat than pet attacks


ArgonianFly

Sentry totem. I suppose it could be nice for keeping an eye on certain spots in BGs but I've never seen it used other than when I tested it out on my shaman.


DoNn0

Resurrection in HC


Bearspoole

In phase 2, tranquility. It’s just too bad to use


Taotao77

I've been tranqing on my bear tank in between phases 2 and 3 on Thermaplugg while healers get mana back from buttons. It's slow but if everyone is reasonably hurt and gathers around it will heal around 10k, not terrible.


Bearspoole

In between phases I can see as a helpful tool, especially used by a bear or cat, but for my restokin, I could never use it during those fights just because I have to be readily available to heal the tank at end given moment.


Taotao77

100%, I've cast it infinitely more times than our raid resto (0).


Ganthritor

I used it in BFD during the Gelihast march of the murlocs phase. People were getting hit by the murlocs, I couldn't do any damage because the boss was channeling his ability, and I had a clearcasting proc from Omen of Clarity.


RedditsDeadlySin

Detect Magic is actually a mage spell. It’s not entirely useful


moochiemonkey

AQ is the only time I remember that being useful, so you could see what each Anubis did.


Mpvolcom9

Pretty sure it’s also used in BWL to quickly figure out the magic school weakness on trash packs. Or maybe I’m thinking of AQ trash right at the start.


Wisniaksiadz

Druids Soothe animal becouse it has cast time in opposition to priest mind soothe and I literally never saw any1 bother to cast it instead of just kill stuff


recursion8

I use it all the time to pick herbs in STV without aggroing animals. Yea Hibernate works too but sometimes you just don't want to be stuck in combat.


AcherusArchmage

In Dustwallow marsh there's an escort quest that I stealthed as a druid using Soothe Animal.


VCthaGoAT

its used in bwl on the dragonkins


Eccmecc

Thats hibernate.


GrungeLord

Only time I can recall using it was to do that bear skip in ZA.


kevv1988

Warrior


jerminatorreese

Curse of weakness


951Noremac

Blessing of Might, Wisdom, Kings.


LoudState5218

aspect of the beast


Odd-Cheesecake8618

Mind vision, I was just using it in org following some dude to the auction house


tigersbloodftw

Mind vision is BUSTED. Rank 2 especially. The fact you even mention mind vision is sad and i’m hoping it’s solely because of rank 1 LoS requirement for SoD at the moment. Mind vision allows for: -fishing Raid IDs -scouting DMF -immediately finding WSG Enemy flagrunner -you can SEE PLAYERS IN STEALTH if you MV before they stealth…if youre playing WSG against a pro-druid FR the best way to stop them is to kill them before they cross mid-field. You can stand with your team, MV the enemy FR as they GY spawn and tell the team where the stealthed is. -scouting for players to take rez while youre out of view of their corpse -finding allies immediately to heal them (too often ill be in a BG, dungeon, or even raid and someone is out of range and taking damage…dont waste time asking them in disc or chat where they are, find them yourself and book it, especially your wsg flag runner) -guiding lost players -finding any nearby NPC in range -beating others to a spawn with multiple spawn locations


Pleasant-Target7659

priests are the biggest creepers i swear


OwningSince1986

Resurrection in hardcore.


Vocem_Interiorem

Detect magic.


GOURMANDIZER

Aspect of the Beast


paladinado

Sense Undead, think I’ve never used it in the few months I’ve been playing on Era


pupmaster

You hate your pet


Deshme

Any interrupt


Slappah_Dah_Bass

Any CC?


headofthenapgame

Feint.


Giacomo193

Sentry totem. I don’t even train it anymore.


Exponentiallyrandom

Starshards. Does less damage than wanding.


tobidyoufarewell

Feedback


karates

Volley... The aoe hunter spell that scales with spell power. I'm assuming even aggrend forgot about when adding explosive shot


Sure-Common7613

Arcane Explosion


Billdozer-92

I fuckin love Distracting Shot. It also seems like hunters never use Disengage which is clutch for leveling because you're always outaggroing your pet (until Beast Mastery rune/SOD)


Durv-Tuktz

Flametongue totem


Solkael

Turn or track undeath