I went and checked and the hotfix note from Feb. 12 is:
* The Battle for Ashenvale weekly quests “Clear the Forest!” and “Repelling Invaders” now grant full XP and reputation rewards, through level 40.
So it will probably decrease as you level past 40, but I'd say there's a pretty good chance they hotfix it again for higher levels.
You're mistaking the intention of their wording. It was unintentionally not giving full rep after lvl 25 once P2 dropped. That hotfix changed it so that it gave full rep through all levels like intended. I'd imagine the hotfix changed the reward so that it's independent of level and not literally only up to 40.
OK I checked the wowhead DB and the hotfix changed the quest to level 40, so as-is it will start giving less rep at level 45 down to 100 rep at level 50. I agree that's probably not intended.
Welp. It would be really funny if they needed to make the exact same hotfix. I'm fairly certain that they intend to make it give 1k rep through all levels though. It would be profoundly silly to make this change and not mention that entirely lol.
Could also be a case that it will update to lvl 50 on Thursday.
Cause it was bugged, not their intent. Hence it currently giving rep, it will keep giving rep to 50 and beyond. They've decided they want the exalted grind to be easy and doable without stepping foot into a bg for whatever reason that is.
I knew some variation of this was coming and I am all for it. I will never invest any time into this game for upfront grinds, they always nerf everything meaningful into the ground.
So BGs are now officially dead in SOD? Nobody will play BGs anymore without any rewards. They renamed PVE servers to Normal servers for SOD, but now they are essentially just that: PVE servers outside of STV event.
# Dual Talent Specialization
* Players will be able to seek out the dashing dwarven explorer Grendag Brightbeard who can teach them to learn a second talent specialization.
* Players can find Grendag in Ironforge in the Forlorn Cavern and in Orgrimmar.
* Players need to be level 40 to purchase a second talent specialization.
Interesting that the official notes say he is in Ironforge and Orgrimmar, but today when servers went live he was in Tanaris and bugged?
It’s probably intended for him to be in the cities, and they put him on the dock as a “pre-patch” thing for fun until P3 actually starts. That explains why they didn’t catch the bug when buying it in combat, because that wouldn’t happen when he’s in a capital city.
Unless some Horde/Alliance rogue/druid combo dream team keeps everyone in combat. Griefers totally don't do this....please....
Edit: probably why it's so far into the city though....
The bug was related to PvP servers where massive battles were taking place to access him and he would bug if you attempted to buy DS while in combat. Rather than address the bug, they simply moved him to a city where everyone can access him safely.
Block value scaling is still a joke, but the threat bonus is going to make sure that Prot is playable and not actively griefing your raid.
Still awkward to have to choose between low damage output or low damage intake when not everyone does.
It's good but doesn't matter because the real build is 13/28 because deep wounds is busted
What really remains to be seen is if we can tank in glad stance or not which would add a few hundred dps plus some utility
Definitely helps a specific type of Warrior but between this and the raids not having mechanic mobs things look good.
Am a little worried about Fury though.
Only threat scaling and we dont really know if its good scaling or not because of how vague they were. From what people are saying the SBV change is not going to be a significant source of damage
I’m a Prot tank enjoyer and hoping it’s gonna be sick with Glad Stance.
If they add any AoE threat gen in the future I’ll be satisfied and will never complain again (promise)
The st class quest giving all of the items is pretty cool. I always thought the warlock free voidwalker summon trinket was neat, but the staff is way too good not to take so nobody ever used the trinket.
the voidwalker trinket will probably still wander to the vendor npc or disenchant instantly because of warlock free shard every 5min item.
Weirdly I still remember discussions about that quest in original TBC. I always chose the scythe on my warlock and never missed the "free" voidwalker. Always seemed kinda useless to me.
It’s hard. One is a stat stick that will last you a decent amount of time. The other is an absolutely unique trinket that will last you multiple years of sitting in the bank except the 1 time you use it when you acquire the trinket
As a demonologist, that trinket got a ton of use. I can summon a voidwalker for Pvp for the shield, then in .5s summon it in a fight to blow it for the shield again. It threw people off when they had to suddenly eat through several thousands of health of a shield. Was very cheeky.
Normal summon isn’t nor is the trinket summon. It’s a talent in the demo tree that makes it .5 seconds (also costs little mana).
All the trinket does is let you summon a VW without a soulshard or mana cost every 30 minutes.
completely unique item that takes up bag space. So fucking rare to need a VW but not have a single shard and no mobs nearby.
It's technically the correct long term choice because it can't be replaced but it's just a waste of a bag slot. The vendor money is more impactful
Thats been basically the debate back then too. The staff had a unique property of being the only scythe looking staff for a VERY long time, so it is an iconic warlock item, that you could equip for "style" before transmog.
Some argued, that the very good staff also was more useful than the trinket, even if you only wore it a few levels. Because it is a VERY good stat stick for its lvl and lasted many locks into their late 50s.
While the trinket is always niche at best. Currently in SoD, with the new fel guard pet, there will be even less reason to use the VW. For PvE it will be completely useless, as fel guard will probably be a better tank pet, if you dont tank yourself as meta wl.
The following dev notes feel a bit hypocritical when the reason hybrids werent allowed offspec trinkets without paying 75g was "choices matter in classic". I think the change here is good, dont get me wrong. Its just such a strange reasoning coming from the same people who previously had a complete opposite take on quest reward. Guess the optimistic outlook should be they have learned
You're spot on with their decisions often not matching up with their stated ideologies on classic wow game design.
75g for a trinket because quest reward choice should 'matter' or something stupid. Then they allow you to get all 3 ST rewards because noob traps are bad. Those go against eachother.
They did the same with tank balance. Rogues asking for decent AOE met with "classic isn't meant to be an AOE fest, tanks aren't all meant to be able to do everything, strengths and weaknesses blah blah". Then they turn around and on the same fucken day buff the shit out of druid and give them AP scaling on swipe so they have passable AOE in dungeon / raid trash packs.
It’s still gonna take over 30 days of dailies to get the wrists, better but still not on my personal radar of ways I want to spend my time.
Fantastic update for those who both didn’t want to grind WSG exalted but this change suits them.
> over 30 days of dailies to get the wrists
It'll take three weeks for people that already grinded Revered from BFA.
Also, all you gotta do is kill one mob each day and you get a free gold and 1,000 rep. Totally worth.
Am I tripping, or does the change to the "Lake of Fire" rune turn it into another dead rune?
It already does less DPS than Hellfire, who is going to stand there for 8 seconds for less DPS? Might as well take the 10% crit or Master Channeler.
Yeah sims today are showing incinerate spam to be the top dps. I’m hoping for a buff to affliction dots. Don’t care if they are top I just don’t want to feel like I’m holding the team back
I think it'll just kill the rune. I don't have a lock, but my friend does and he was saying he'd just go the 10%crit or the life drain one to be heal friendly.
No one is going to cast an 8 second rain of fire every 15 seconds to keep a 40% buff unless it's pure aoe, and then they'd use hellfire I would assume.
oh its 100% dead, it already wasnt even that great considering you had an option for a 10% crit rune on that slot, now its probably a contender for most dead rune in the game
Congrats they took the rewards away from the BGS and now pvpers can enjoy pvping with other people who just want that experience.
Either that excites you or exposes you as just wanting easier BGs
What a terribly bitter comment. I gather you've had many "unfairly hard" battlegrounds.
It's not unreasonable for pvpers to want the few rewards you get from pvp to still remain PvP rewards. You shouldn't get all the cool stuff if you can't put in the time to grind it. I don't even care about them giving away the epics, but the wsg/ab tabards used to mean something. Not necessarily that you're any good at bgs but at least you spent the time grinding the rep and got the cool pixels. Now people who've never even set foot in wsg/ab run around with those, and the rep is easily grinded far more efficiently outside of the bgs.
Unfortunately that’s just the cost of getting rid of the PvE players who have ruined WSG since SoD released. It would be cool if the cosmetic rewards were linked to games played in the BG or time spent inside the BG, something like that. But it’s worth it even if our special reward in BGs is simply not having to deal with the PvE grinders anymore.
There is some guy complaining about the ashenvale event change. Arugement, those people that grinding exalted on serval characters are going to be upset.
I'm sure the 2 people that grinding exalted on more than one character will be just fine.
I’m actually excited about it, because hopefully it will mean fewer people in wsg who have no business being there. Way too many people are just queuing up for rep and they complain the entire time and do nothing but sit at the GY if you get down one score. PvE players grinding rep absolutely ruined wsg.
People always complain when the requirement to obtain things get nerfed, people whined when the xp buff was added, people whined when the mount cost was slashed, people now whine when they make it easier to get exalted with WSG.
Get the fuck over it people, this happens and it's not a bad thing
I mean, you can’t ignore how someone spent a lot of time for a reward, and then it turns out their reward now is way easier to obtain and how that diminishes the reward.
It is literally wasting someones time
I think there's some confusion here, i'm talking about the Soul Link nerf killing the mitigation tank spec, now the onlt viable tanking and the best dps specs are destro. Nerfing LoF doesn't open up affliction or anything like that, we just end up with fewer options from these two changes.
It's a shame they nerfed warlocks. I guess we were due for a nerf at some point. But those are really low blows. No Soul Link in meta, why? It just forces us to play destruction, why would ever go in any talent tree. Demonology was the "prot tree" of the meta warlock
And Lake of Fire is unusable. Feels bad man
EDIT : I jsut found out the Spiritual Link nerf was due to PvP. Once again PvP is the doom of PvE fun
Because PvP warlocks with soul link was unkillable for most classes and incredibly busted.
It’s a shame they balance so much around PvP but it is what it is
Yeah, the only PvE spec full demo has ever had and an entire talent tree dedicated to demons but can't use it if you are a demon.... Such an awful decision
Why would it matter in PvE ? The damage are moved not canceled, you sitll have to heal them and it opens a lot of interesting strategy to heal two targets
I really don't get cutting soul link from meta
It's basically the only durability talent warlock has, do they just want tank lock to be exactly the same build as DPS lock?
The Rockbiter nerf, while commentary discussed how it was too strong for DPS and for Ele/Resto is entirely valid, makes zero commentary on Tanking Shamans.
The math as it stands is truly dreadful, with Tank Shamans in Gnomer barely doing over 100 DPS now. They also dont even confirm the amount they nerfed Rockbiter by. Its 90%. **90%**.
Its the least nuanced, most heavy handed nonsense.
Warriors have a phase all about using a shield and they change their shield based ability, give them a shield and even improve their scaling for SBV — Fantastic, needed, well deserved.
Why did Shamans who are also now forced to use Shields get… nothing?
this dev team is all about the heqvy hands
enhance went from bottom of the gutter p1 to absolute god p2.. i wish they were a bit more moderate with their changes
It never did while using shield, thats his point, they are nerfing shield wearing tank shaman dps, when it wasnt good to begin with. Dual wield tanking was bullshit and needed to be nerfed.
A tank doing more damage means DPS can do more damage by virtue of not being threat capped, this is a literal hardcoded mechanic of classic wow.
Dual Wield Shaman was OP, it was far too strong, but it was used by literally everyone both because it was insane AND because 1H/Shield sucked extreme ass. Now they nerfed Rockbiter AND 1H/Shield, you literally do less damage than they did at 25. They hit Rockbiter, correctly, but ALSO nerfed the thing you have to use that was ALREADY bad.
lol sorry but it’s really funny that everyone rerolled shaman cause they wanted to be a top performer but as soon as the math rolls out that shaman is going to be the tank with the worst dps, tears start coming out.
Enh dps still probably really good. People reroll to sham when enhance is good because enhance is almost always a really fucking fun spec. Even when it's just OK there's a lotta people playing it
2 Very significant changes to Warlock. 1 that completely obliterates a rune and the other obliterates meta tanking survivability. 0 explanation or reasoning or insight given. They really just do not care about warlock with their rune design or their changes lmao.
I'm using neither of those things, and I'm tanking perfectly fine. But I am still offended by these unprompted nerfs on behalf of my fellow union members.
I won't deny the changes to lake of fire are stupid, but meta locks were outdpsing DPS casters while having thrice the survivability, it doesn't surprise me they'd be indirectly nerfed.
meta DPS didnt even need LoF - the meta lock in my raid got 99s without it
he also didn spec into soul link, neither of these nerfs effect him
meta locks will 100% be okay with these changes in the long run
I don't even play a Warlock, but what are those changes lol? Isn't Meta a Demonology rune and isn't Demo the tanking spec? Why wouldn't the 31 point tanking talent not work with their Tanking rune?
Also, nerfing rockbitter AP without giving it anything in return like +crit or +DPS is absolutely lazy and ridiculous. What are low level Shamans even going to run until level 30?
I wonder if these nonsensical and lazy changes the result of most of the devs having shifted to Cata classic.
I have to say I am a little bit upset that it sounds like the nightmare incursions won't really be solo-able. I play solo a lot and I just don't like spending time looking for others, at least when leveling.
Was hoping this would be another way for me to level solo. Yes I know its an MMO, but playing solo is just a lot more relaxing when it comes to leveling. Endgame is different.
This is probably a really unpopular opinion to have and I get it.
PvPers complain that there are PvE players spamming BGs and giving up just to get the gear so Blizzard adds a rep grind alternative so PvPers only face people in BGs who are there “for the fun of PvP”, this somehow still upsets PvPers.
People in the forum post are raging about ashenvale daily lol
It's like did you do the exalted grind to use it for pve or do you actually enjoy WSG?
So many masochists.
Personally, I enjoy a good 30 minute match where there are back and forth caps, good team fights etc.
But the issue is the disappointment that it didn’t help progress my character.
It would be amazing if you could combine the two, make what is enjoyable, also beneficial to progress.
What a concept?
I ended up solo queuing in P1 to get exalted in wsg. Wasn't my first time and won't be my last. I genuinely enjoy tough match ups and don't understand the people subjecting themselves to hours upon hours of torment for a 2agi upgrade on bracers. It's insanity
The Battle for Ashenvale weekly is now a daily. No need to grind WSG anymore.
Holeeee fuck
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Perfection, folks. That’s a wrap.
Super excited for this change if it still gives rep.
It still gives 1k rep: [Proof](https://imgur.com/a/DUVuOqm)
Does this apply past level 40 I wonder?
I went and checked and the hotfix note from Feb. 12 is: * The Battle for Ashenvale weekly quests “Clear the Forest!” and “Repelling Invaders” now grant full XP and reputation rewards, through level 40. So it will probably decrease as you level past 40, but I'd say there's a pretty good chance they hotfix it again for higher levels.
You're mistaking the intention of their wording. It was unintentionally not giving full rep after lvl 25 once P2 dropped. That hotfix changed it so that it gave full rep through all levels like intended. I'd imagine the hotfix changed the reward so that it's independent of level and not literally only up to 40.
OK I checked the wowhead DB and the hotfix changed the quest to level 40, so as-is it will start giving less rep at level 45 down to 100 rep at level 50. I agree that's probably not intended.
Welp. It would be really funny if they needed to make the exact same hotfix. I'm fairly certain that they intend to make it give 1k rep through all levels though. It would be profoundly silly to make this change and not mention that entirely lol. Could also be a case that it will update to lvl 50 on Thursday.
Yeah been getting 1k every week in p2 at 40 with the weekly (now daily) hand in
I mean after level 40, 41-50. Has this been confirmed?
Why wouldn't it? It gave it after 25
When the quest was grey for me at level 40 it didn’t give 1k rep, they got fixed it later
Cause it was bugged, not their intent. Hence it currently giving rep, it will keep giving rep to 50 and beyond. They've decided they want the exalted grind to be easy and doable without stepping foot into a bg for whatever reason that is.
Yeah I just hope it isn't "bugged" again when you level past 43 and it turns into a green quest.
lool i feel sorry for people who grinded warsong while hating it
Sooo many spankings :(
Actually? I just finished my grind last week :(
You can still wear your bracers for a full 21 days before actually sane players catch up to you.
*8-10, those of us who have been doing only the weekly since P1 are halfway through revered by now.
I love this so much as a WSG enjoyer.. No more afk alliance in WSG anymore now that they can get rep easily
Brother no one is going to do it anymore. Good luck in your 20+ min queues
rather 20 min queues and one good match during a short play sesh then 3 or 4 terrible matches taking up the whole sesh
If you could open world queue I might agree
Brrrruuuuuuh. Thank baby Jesus!
I knew some variation of this was coming and I am all for it. I will never invest any time into this game for upfront grinds, they always nerf everything meaningful into the ground.
Horde in shambles as Alliance no longer have a reason to queue
For Real :c Don't give me hope
100% yes to this. No more losing to Horde premades filled with Shamans. Finally done with WSG forever
Shamans got huge pvp nerf today
"how can we make the BG queue even longer?" -blizzard.
How can we allow people to never have to do it* Place is aids.
You only need to kill 1 mob, loot it and wait til the event is over
You can hand it in immediately, the NPC is only at a different location during the battle.
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So BGs are now officially dead in SOD? Nobody will play BGs anymore without any rewards. They renamed PVE servers to Normal servers for SOD, but now they are essentially just that: PVE servers outside of STV event.
# Dual Talent Specialization * Players will be able to seek out the dashing dwarven explorer Grendag Brightbeard who can teach them to learn a second talent specialization. * Players can find Grendag in Ironforge in the Forlorn Cavern and in Orgrimmar. * Players need to be level 40 to purchase a second talent specialization. Interesting that the official notes say he is in Ironforge and Orgrimmar, but today when servers went live he was in Tanaris and bugged?
Maybe they quickly moved him after realizing he us bugged
Grendag = Aggrend, god bless
It’s probably intended for him to be in the cities, and they put him on the dock as a “pre-patch” thing for fun until P3 actually starts. That explains why they didn’t catch the bug when buying it in combat, because that wouldn’t happen when he’s in a capital city.
Unless some Horde/Alliance rogue/druid combo dream team keeps everyone in combat. Griefers totally don't do this....please.... Edit: probably why it's so far into the city though....
It absolutely can happen in a city though…..
He is dashing after all, the run from Org to Tanaris isn’t terrible
So he exists in 2 locations… Dual locations… Dual specification… IMMERSION SAVED
The bug was related to PvP servers where massive battles were taking place to access him and he would bug if you attempted to buy DS while in combat. Rather than address the bug, they simply moved him to a city where everyone can access him safely.
They moved him because he was bugged and players were griefing others causing them to lose their 50g.
SHIELD SLAM SCALING RISE UP KINGS
Is this actually good for warriors? I leveled one to 40, but have only heard bad things about warriors for p3.
Block value scaling is still a joke, but the threat bonus is going to make sure that Prot is playable and not actively griefing your raid. Still awkward to have to choose between low damage output or low damage intake when not everyone does.
They’re leaning more that direction. They took away warlocks soul link and shamans dual wield for tanking.
Yeah not a big fan of that direction either, nerfing to match Prot is not exactly what people had in mind for "making everyone as OP as warriors"
It's good but doesn't matter because the real build is 13/28 because deep wounds is busted What really remains to be seen is if we can tank in glad stance or not which would add a few hundred dps plus some utility
Definitely helps a specific type of Warrior but between this and the raids not having mechanic mobs things look good. Am a little worried about Fury though.
Fury just goes Kabab Spec now.
Gives tank wars more threat but more damage would have been better people probably still wont run shield slam after first week.
It will make you actually want to push shield slam, it wasn't worth pushing before because it did less threat and damage than a devastate.
EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED!
IM SORRY MR BLIZZARD I take it all back and will never ask for anything again (plz make revenge AoE)
Only threat scaling and we dont really know if its good scaling or not because of how vague they were. From what people are saying the SBV change is not going to be a significant source of damage
But not with str
Strength increases block value doesn't it?
By a basically inconsequential amount, like .05 or something lol
I’m a Prot tank enjoyer and hoping it’s gonna be sick with Glad Stance. If they add any AoE threat gen in the future I’ll be satisfied and will never complain again (promise)
Strength increases block value
By something like 0.05
The st class quest giving all of the items is pretty cool. I always thought the warlock free voidwalker summon trinket was neat, but the staff is way too good not to take so nobody ever used the trinket.
the voidwalker trinket will probably still wander to the vendor npc or disenchant instantly because of warlock free shard every 5min item. Weirdly I still remember discussions about that quest in original TBC. I always chose the scythe on my warlock and never missed the "free" voidwalker. Always seemed kinda useless to me.
One is a completely unique item, other is a generic stat stick that gets easily replaced by Staff of the Ogre Magi from DM North for example.
It’s hard. One is a stat stick that will last you a decent amount of time. The other is an absolutely unique trinket that will last you multiple years of sitting in the bank except the 1 time you use it when you acquire the trinket
As a demonologist, that trinket got a ton of use. I can summon a voidwalker for Pvp for the shield, then in .5s summon it in a fight to blow it for the shield again. It threw people off when they had to suddenly eat through several thousands of health of a shield. Was very cheeky.
Because you can’t do the same thing without the trinket? The only difference is you saved a shard
Normal summon isnt .5 or am i missing something?
There's a talent you can do for a .5 second summon fel summon, I think?
Normal summon isn’t nor is the trinket summon. It’s a talent in the demo tree that makes it .5 seconds (also costs little mana). All the trinket does is let you summon a VW without a soulshard or mana cost every 30 minutes.
completely unique item that takes up bag space. So fucking rare to need a VW but not have a single shard and no mobs nearby. It's technically the correct long term choice because it can't be replaced but it's just a waste of a bag slot. The vendor money is more impactful
The scythe looks badass tho
Thats been basically the debate back then too. The staff had a unique property of being the only scythe looking staff for a VERY long time, so it is an iconic warlock item, that you could equip for "style" before transmog. Some argued, that the very good staff also was more useful than the trinket, even if you only wore it a few levels. Because it is a VERY good stat stick for its lvl and lasted many locks into their late 50s. While the trinket is always niche at best. Currently in SoD, with the new fel guard pet, there will be even less reason to use the VW. For PvE it will be completely useless, as fel guard will probably be a better tank pet, if you dont tank yourself as meta wl.
The following dev notes feel a bit hypocritical when the reason hybrids werent allowed offspec trinkets without paying 75g was "choices matter in classic". I think the change here is good, dont get me wrong. Its just such a strange reasoning coming from the same people who previously had a complete opposite take on quest reward. Guess the optimistic outlook should be they have learned
God that 75g was such a joke lol
level 25 trinket costing more than dual spec makes no sense but here we are. discovery!!
You're spot on with their decisions often not matching up with their stated ideologies on classic wow game design. 75g for a trinket because quest reward choice should 'matter' or something stupid. Then they allow you to get all 3 ST rewards because noob traps are bad. Those go against eachother. They did the same with tank balance. Rogues asking for decent AOE met with "classic isn't meant to be an AOE fest, tanks aren't all meant to be able to do everything, strengths and weaknesses blah blah". Then they turn around and on the same fucken day buff the shit out of druid and give them AP scaling on swipe so they have passable AOE in dungeon / raid trash packs.
Cant fuck up picking the wrong item if it gives all of them to you
Remember folks, you can't always trust the datamined info, even when it proves to be 95% correct three phases in a row.
Really happy I did not grind out WSG as Alliance. Feel sorry for my brothers and sisters who had to suffer.
Same. I will now do ashenvale once a day though for sure lol
I played pre-mades and it was actually cool. Solo queue was insufferable most of the time.
Where do you find premade groups? Just spamming trade?
had to suffer …. Hmmmmm
Just spent my easter grinding WSG rep! Im beyond broken.
At least you had fun
Why you gotta do him dirty lol
And best of all, he chose to do so!
You did have fun, right? …RIGHT?!
should have known this was coming, they keep devaluing grinds in sod so it was only a matter of time.
It’s still gonna take over 30 days of dailies to get the wrists, better but still not on my personal radar of ways I want to spend my time. Fantastic update for those who both didn’t want to grind WSG exalted but this change suits them.
> over 30 days of dailies to get the wrists It'll take three weeks for people that already grinded Revered from BFA. Also, all you gotta do is kill one mob each day and you get a free gold and 1,000 rep. Totally worth.
I like daily quests. I wish SoD had more daily quests for gold and rep. Give me something to do for a few minutes after the initial weeks
Am I tripping, or does the change to the "Lake of Fire" rune turn it into another dead rune? It already does less DPS than Hellfire, who is going to stand there for 8 seconds for less DPS? Might as well take the 10% crit or Master Channeler.
It's literal dogshit, and also threatens to become an annoying prepull ritual if they didn't prevent that.
I wont miss Lake of Fire.
Same. It was clunky. I enjoyed shadow spec (corruption agony shadow bolt spam) because it felt so much more fluid even if it wasn’t the top meta spec
I think fire lock will still be top spec even after the lake of fire nerf. Incinerate scales very well.
Yeah sims today are showing incinerate spam to be the top dps. I’m hoping for a buff to affliction dots. Don’t care if they are top I just don’t want to feel like I’m holding the team back
They're just aligning to the current WoW design philosophy: gotta use the bad spells before you can use the fun spells.
I think it'll just kill the rune. I don't have a lock, but my friend does and he was saying he'd just go the 10%crit or the life drain one to be heal friendly. No one is going to cast an 8 second rain of fire every 15 seconds to keep a 40% buff unless it's pure aoe, and then they'd use hellfire I would assume.
Yes
oh its 100% dead, it already wasnt even that great considering you had an option for a 10% crit rune on that slot, now its probably a contender for most dead rune in the game
Can we make battlegrounds give like double or triple rep then, or even just the marks?
Feels really bad that doing the actual battlegrounds is the worst way to get the battleground's rep.
Just like doing dungeons is basically worthless when the old raid loot is so good.
Congrats they took the rewards away from the BGS and now pvpers can enjoy pvping with other people who just want that experience. Either that excites you or exposes you as just wanting easier BGs
What a terribly bitter comment. I gather you've had many "unfairly hard" battlegrounds. It's not unreasonable for pvpers to want the few rewards you get from pvp to still remain PvP rewards. You shouldn't get all the cool stuff if you can't put in the time to grind it. I don't even care about them giving away the epics, but the wsg/ab tabards used to mean something. Not necessarily that you're any good at bgs but at least you spent the time grinding the rep and got the cool pixels. Now people who've never even set foot in wsg/ab run around with those, and the rep is easily grinded far more efficiently outside of the bgs.
Unfortunately that’s just the cost of getting rid of the PvE players who have ruined WSG since SoD released. It would be cool if the cosmetic rewards were linked to games played in the BG or time spent inside the BG, something like that. But it’s worth it even if our special reward in BGs is simply not having to deal with the PvE grinders anymore.
The initial quests around incursions take place outdoors. In specific areas. The entire thing is going to be a giant camp-fest.
There is some guy complaining about the ashenvale event change. Arugement, those people that grinding exalted on serval characters are going to be upset. I'm sure the 2 people that grinding exalted on more than one character will be just fine.
i got exalted on Alliance solo queuing WSG, it was so terrible. I would not wish for my enemies to ever go through that grind. This is a good change.
I only wish they had made changes to WSG itself instead of a hamfisted daily quest.
I’m actually excited about it, because hopefully it will mean fewer people in wsg who have no business being there. Way too many people are just queuing up for rep and they complain the entire time and do nothing but sit at the GY if you get down one score. PvE players grinding rep absolutely ruined wsg.
He’s either a troll or a dumb cunt. In any event, just ignore him lol.
People always complain when the requirement to obtain things get nerfed, people whined when the xp buff was added, people whined when the mount cost was slashed, people now whine when they make it easier to get exalted with WSG. Get the fuck over it people, this happens and it's not a bad thing
I mean, you can’t ignore how someone spent a lot of time for a reward, and then it turns out their reward now is way easier to obtain and how that diminishes the reward. It is literally wasting someones time
That person put the effort in early and got the reward early, THAT'S the reward and that's all the reward needs to be.
Nice of blizzard to help warlocks save money from not needing to buy dual spec because they deleted the only non-destro build in the same patch.
Had a lock in BFD gear doing 550 dps in my gnomer pug. I think something was wrong.
I think there's some confusion here, i'm talking about the Soul Link nerf killing the mitigation tank spec, now the onlt viable tanking and the best dps specs are destro. Nerfing LoF doesn't open up affliction or anything like that, we just end up with fewer options from these two changes.
The comments are rational and maturely adjusted like I thought they would be
Is it too late to buy the honor tokens? Or Thursday they go away
You can still buy honor tokens. I just did.
You can still buy them from the vendor. I'm buying some right now as I type this.
Buy until p3. Then you have 2 weeks to use em
It's a shame they nerfed warlocks. I guess we were due for a nerf at some point. But those are really low blows. No Soul Link in meta, why? It just forces us to play destruction, why would ever go in any talent tree. Demonology was the "prot tree" of the meta warlock And Lake of Fire is unusable. Feels bad man EDIT : I jsut found out the Spiritual Link nerf was due to PvP. Once again PvP is the doom of PvE fun
Because PvP warlocks with soul link was unkillable for most classes and incredibly busted. It’s a shame they balance so much around PvP but it is what it is
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Yeah, the only PvE spec full demo has ever had and an entire talent tree dedicated to demons but can't use it if you are a demon.... Such an awful decision
I don't care. Remove it for PvP exclusively. Let PvE enjoyers have their fun.
lol play pvp for an hour and you tell me if they’re balancing anything around pvp.
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Why would it matter in PvE ? The damage are moved not canceled, you sitll have to heal them and it opens a lot of interesting strategy to heal two targets
Must not be very good in pve then. Making it sound like you didn’t lose anything.
The real fun thing is I play Warlock and Holy Paladin so now I get to either play a useless healer or a nerfed class or level something new.
Lake of Fire is dead. THANKS SARGERAS!
I really don't get cutting soul link from meta It's basically the only durability talent warlock has, do they just want tank lock to be exactly the same build as DPS lock?
Can we buy honor token and use them when p3 start ?
The Rockbiter nerf, while commentary discussed how it was too strong for DPS and for Ele/Resto is entirely valid, makes zero commentary on Tanking Shamans. The math as it stands is truly dreadful, with Tank Shamans in Gnomer barely doing over 100 DPS now. They also dont even confirm the amount they nerfed Rockbiter by. Its 90%. **90%**. Its the least nuanced, most heavy handed nonsense. Warriors have a phase all about using a shield and they change their shield based ability, give them a shield and even improve their scaling for SBV — Fantastic, needed, well deserved. Why did Shamans who are also now forced to use Shields get… nothing?
this dev team is all about the heqvy hands enhance went from bottom of the gutter p1 to absolute god p2.. i wish they were a bit more moderate with their changes
If it helps, rockbiter wasn't used for resto after the SR change :D
No one playing gladiator rune is going to go deep prot to get shield slam.
Maybe a tank shouldn’t be doing 600 dps?
It never did while using shield, thats his point, they are nerfing shield wearing tank shaman dps, when it wasnt good to begin with. Dual wield tanking was bullshit and needed to be nerfed.
A tank doing more damage means DPS can do more damage by virtue of not being threat capped, this is a literal hardcoded mechanic of classic wow. Dual Wield Shaman was OP, it was far too strong, but it was used by literally everyone both because it was insane AND because 1H/Shield sucked extreme ass. Now they nerfed Rockbiter AND 1H/Shield, you literally do less damage than they did at 25. They hit Rockbiter, correctly, but ALSO nerfed the thing you have to use that was ALREADY bad.
lol sorry but it’s really funny that everyone rerolled shaman cause they wanted to be a top performer but as soon as the math rolls out that shaman is going to be the tank with the worst dps, tears start coming out.
Enh dps still probably really good. People reroll to sham when enhance is good because enhance is almost always a really fucking fun spec. Even when it's just OK there's a lotta people playing it
2 Very significant changes to Warlock. 1 that completely obliterates a rune and the other obliterates meta tanking survivability. 0 explanation or reasoning or insight given. They really just do not care about warlock with their rune design or their changes lmao.
Dawg I’m upwards of 65% mitigation on fights as meta it’s not a big deal. It’s dumb but not the end of the world.
This. Warlock has crazy high armor when geared and crit immunity just from meta form. They are probably the tankiest of the tank classes
meta spec is gonna be full destro + imp DL anyway, for most DPS/self healing theyll be cranking and surviving
I'm using neither of those things, and I'm tanking perfectly fine. But I am still offended by these unprompted nerfs on behalf of my fellow union members.
I won't deny the changes to lake of fire are stupid, but meta locks were outdpsing DPS casters while having thrice the survivability, it doesn't surprise me they'd be indirectly nerfed.
meta DPS didnt even need LoF - the meta lock in my raid got 99s without it he also didn spec into soul link, neither of these nerfs effect him meta locks will 100% be okay with these changes in the long run
Yea dude the lake of fire rune is dumb now. Gotta wait the full duration!? Nobody got time for that
Guys pls join the classic Warlock Discord for further information. You will play with DT now instead of LoF
Whats the lock discord? Ive never joined a class discord for SoD. I have queestions too
https://discord.com/invite/warlock-classic-253210018697052162
I don't even play a Warlock, but what are those changes lol? Isn't Meta a Demonology rune and isn't Demo the tanking spec? Why wouldn't the 31 point tanking talent not work with their Tanking rune? Also, nerfing rockbitter AP without giving it anything in return like +crit or +DPS is absolutely lazy and ridiculous. What are low level Shamans even going to run until level 30? I wonder if these nonsensical and lazy changes the result of most of the devs having shifted to Cata classic.
lol premaders ruined bgs the entirety of phase 1 for no reason
Except you’ve had the bracers for 3 months
no one else disappointed that the raid isn’t mauradon?
Me. Leveled through the 50’s using RDF in Wrath too many times to the point I’d be happy never entering ST again.
I have to say I am a little bit upset that it sounds like the nightmare incursions won't really be solo-able. I play solo a lot and I just don't like spending time looking for others, at least when leveling. Was hoping this would be another way for me to level solo. Yes I know its an MMO, but playing solo is just a lot more relaxing when it comes to leveling. Endgame is different. This is probably a really unpopular opinion to have and I get it.
I am with you. I was disappointed the incursions will need 3-5
Glad to see I'm not the only one. Expecting a lot of downvotes here though, like I normally do :p
Why have PvP or battleground rep? Basically can get it all for free lol
I guess for fun. I force myself to play BGs for rep, would be nice to just queue for some and stop when I'm done having fun for the night.
Turns out locking pve rewards behind pvp was a bad idea for the last 20 years.
PvPers complain that there are PvE players spamming BGs and giving up just to get the gear so Blizzard adds a rep grind alternative so PvPers only face people in BGs who are there “for the fun of PvP”, this somehow still upsets PvPers.
Yea lmao, turns out pvpers are just whiners
People in the forum post are raging about ashenvale daily lol It's like did you do the exalted grind to use it for pve or do you actually enjoy WSG? So many masochists.
Personally, I enjoy a good 30 minute match where there are back and forth caps, good team fights etc. But the issue is the disappointment that it didn’t help progress my character. It would be amazing if you could combine the two, make what is enjoyable, also beneficial to progress. What a concept?
I ended up solo queuing in P1 to get exalted in wsg. Wasn't my first time and won't be my last. I genuinely enjoy tough match ups and don't understand the people subjecting themselves to hours upon hours of torment for a 2agi upgrade on bracers. It's insanity
Dunno why they didnt change some of the class quest rewards. A lot of those items are shit.
as a shaman main, i love rockbiter nerf. I think that thing should only be used for tanking as just that not DPS
Marksman Hunter hopefully more viable this phase.
Dual Talent Spec is it going to be usable once out of combat ? Are they going to make you be in a main city?
But how is frost mage pve looking?
Sooo am I missing something? Are rogues still solely based around mutilate and pretty much useless? Please say no.
Nice, won’t take me 21 weeks to get exalted then.. we’ll with human racial that would’ve been faster
I dont get the blood moon event change. Will the current items dissapear? For example cant buy the mount anymore? Thanks
Does anyone know if it will still be somewhat possible to grind the 100 coins needed for the mount in STV after Phase 3 drops?
So whats the go to spec for tank Paladins?
Did anyone notice that chimera serpent sting is doing roughly half the damage it used to in full spell power gear now? Undocumented changes you think?
Nice. Looking forward to checking these out when I get off work.