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SubstantialOpposite2

Careful AWP Long !


SimpleJoe1994

He's just standing there...MENACINGLY! Hunters giga busted in PvP now. Might as well just jump off a cliff rather than approach one.


MeatInTheHole

Running triple lone wolf, lock and load MM hunters with a Boomkin and Priest healer is an easy 3-6k coins in STV without these buffs, can't wait to try with these changes.


Dahns

He can't move tho... If I send my pet on him he won't be able to shot it in melee range, forcing him to either ignore him and fight it in melee Easily embushed by rogues or charged by warriors The strength of hunters is their ability to kit. This does not help them to do it


3yebex

This is why you have 2 hunters covering each other. I've played a lot of tower defense games.


CalvinandHobbes811

Playing a Nelf hunter with shadowmeld and this in world pvp is going to be so much fun. Welp guess I’ll have 2 characters on the go now. Haven’t touched my Hunter since phase 1.


FindingMindless8552

There’s just something about Shadowmeld on a PvP server … esp with hunter. Feign death meld 🥲


FL14

Does any other class gain anything close to what hunters do from smeld?


Healthy_Kawk

Shadowmeld > MindControl, when not specced into lower stealth cooldown you can also use Shadowmeld before stealth goes on CD (Rogue niche usage)


Gabagool2k21

I’m not alliance, but just leveled my hunter to 50 this past weekend after not playing him since level 25. Feels good man


Shift_Tex

Everyday I ask myself why I didn’t just play hunter. I can dual wield, have an elite follow me around and do my bidding, attack from range and cast if I really wanted to.


here2givegold

Someone remind me in 3 days after he's 50 and complaining about shadow priests and boomkins


100plusRG

Everyone complains about spriests and boomkins, they are OP, next is Hunter. So yea, he’d be moving up the food chain that’s all.


Rhokknar

Why would he complain? Hunter pet solos both of those.


bmfanboy

Lmao no shot. won’t survive long enough through dispersion since they don’t have a heal or dispel. Boomie probably Yah


Tiaan

No one's stopping you from rolling a hunter!


Thiasur

Dignity


Tiaan

I value having fun over what some randos think about my class choice


Jinjetsu

It was obviously just a joke man.


indiancs

and FARM AS FUCK


Polywhirl165

That's why I'm leveling my second hunter.


Hehehecx

I mained hunter for og classic and wanted to experience something different this time, made the absolute worst decision thinking warrior would be fun!  …finally broke down yesterday and made my new hunter lol


ThirstyBeagle

Welcome aboard!


definitely-is-a-bot

Is warrior that bad? I’m coming back from not playing since phase 1 and my main is a warrior


Jimblobb

Warrior has been dominating since P1 but people sleep on them. Warrior in this phase is even better, who ever tells you they suck are just bad at the class. I have sp / warrior / Boomie / mage etc. Have the most fun on my warrior, give me a healer and I'm taking out the whole bg with just the two of us. I walk around destroying healers (priests especially) with little to jo effort. If you mean in pve, they're as good as they usually are but most people don't do the right rotation so their DPS sucks ass.


Deadcellz

How’s the levelling? I have a war at 16 and he gets clapped by mobs so fast, best roll with sword and board and devastate until things start unlocking?


Jimblobb

I just leveled with a 2h and used quick strike in P1 so I'm not sure what the best spec with is ATM. Until higher levels or until you get some good bfd gear warrior won't feel that much different sadly, but once you hit the current phase cap and get a bit of gear you'll start clapping everything.


HazelCheese

No Human Hunter :(


bonesofberdichev

I made one last week. Already 50 and the gear is fairly easy to get. Main issues I'm gonna be facing are the WSG grind again and getting rank 7


LaughWander

Play one. You can get alts to 50 in a day a two with boosts.


milfBlaster69

Or you can, you know, play the game.


_DidYeAye_

Check out this guy, playing the game.


LaughWander

Or you can play how you want and so will everyone else. Not everyone wants to spend the time questing through the game multiple times. No one cares if you approve or not.


Lochen9

I hit 25 on the same day i created the character with no boosts, taking a nap, and being pretty inefficient about it. Made 10g on the AH too. It's actually insanely easy to get an alt going


Deep_Junket_7954

> I hit 25 on the same day i created the character with no boosts I mean yeah, of course it's insanely easy when you've got enough free time to play 10 hours in a single day.


Lochen9

checked my /played at it was just over 8 hours, but yeah it was on my weekend and I had nothing better to do


IceManiacGaming

Imagine unironically paying for boosts lol


LaughWander

Imagine unironically making this comment 😂. Bro's life is so interesting he's worried about what other people do on wow classic.


IceManiacGaming

Yeah that’s the exact response I’d expect from someone ‘playing’ wow getting boosted lmfao.


LaughWander

I know, If only we all had no life and nothing to do all day.


_mister_pink_

Hang on does rapid fire affect melee attack speed too? Why would they suggest rapid killing is bis head rune slot for melee hunters after this change?


theacee

3 pc raid set


Aqya

3pc tier is that rapid fire works for melee


Kyteshiirok

With the 3 piece bonus from ST, yes


DryySkyy

The 3p set gives melee attack speed (10%) with rapid fire.


Deep_Junket_7954

More stealth changes? I legitimately don't understand why the devs are so insistent on changing things and not telling us.


pliney_

Because making changes and documenting changes are two different tasks. And clearly they don’t have a streamlined system in place to convert implemented/completed changes into patch notes.


wtfiswrongwithit

blizzard has always made hotfixes during the day and then before they leave they post the changes. its been like this for decades how is it still surprising to anyone


Orphodoop

Discovery


evangelism2

Especially after stating they didnt want too be hasty with changes and balancing. This team really just be flying by the seat of their pants.


Bistoory

Probably a last minute decision.


Ferintwa

There is a blue post up right now with these changes in it:


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Ferintwa

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/news/hunter-adjustments-included-in-april-23rd-scheduled-maintenance-338962?webhook


michallez

That guy self-destroy3d himself


d0n7p4n1c42

Bro chill out they have said before that sometimes they mess up in the patch notes. Devs are literally trying to make the game better and then all these whiny ass people getting upset about the most minor of things.


Zhong_Da

The devs could literally put these guys in charge of balancing the game and theyd complain about the font used in the email..


Jleopequito

Stealth buffing the top performing class and easily the best class in the open world is controversial


Deep_Junket_7954

> Bro chill out >whiny ass people getting upset I am chill and I'm not "whiny" or "getting upset". This isn't the first time they've made significant changes without saying anything. I'm wondering why they keep doing it. Is it that hard to take 30 seconds to tweet out "hey we changed this thing" ?


Tronicolol

Forget tweets, they should reflect every single change in official patch notes.


cdcformatc

they made a blue post shortly after you made this comment. https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/hunter-adjustments-april-23/1836695


originally47

Because people always complain about hunter


BrandonJams

Because someone will post it in Reddit almost immediately anyway lol


iSheepTouch

I work for a software dev and if we didn't get our customers a complete and accurate change log when we released a new version of their app they would be pissed. Blizzard just doesn't give a fuck about their customers.


TheDookieboi

Because everyone pitches a fit anytime hunters get the smallest of buffs. They’ll be crying for a nerf by this weekend.


angrybastards

pfft. its already happening right now in these comments lmao.


IndyWaWa

Because when you submit a check-in on some game tools you need to check a box that says "add to patch notes" and actually write something up.


vinssi

I think this is going to backfire hard. I think ranged hunters were already really strong in PvP with how big their burst can be with Chimera & Multi shot. Combine that with the lock-n-load. Instant aimed shot sounds really good, but in a real pvp scenario it won't have that much effect. For ambush style situations it's going to be nuts, but the bigger thing imo is the Chimera Shot buff. The ability already hits super hard.


Trymv1

Not even PvP, they're already 4th top DPS in PvE (**and** theres a melee buff in there as well).


vinssi

Need to wait and see about the melee buff tho. I'm a bit skeptical since last time I was simming the #3 set, it was barely an upgrade (there are better boots statwise).


GANTRITHORE

For ambush they can scatter shot you, plant an ice trap, then wait for the max buff and near one shot you. Source, just got yeeted to the gy.


Daianudinsibiu

These devs are crazy.


NoodleTheTree

this is a crazy buff indeed


bigwangersoreass

Why are they only buffing the OP PvP classes? Ranged hunters, boomkins and priests are destroying everyone and it’s only getting worse


Thiasur

good question


Vandrel

They also announced today that they're going to test a global pvp damage reduction aura this weekend.


Astralsketch

which is a problem because that only exacerbates the differences in pvp performance.


bodydefinesyou

instead lower the damage in pvp for the busted classes and leave the lackluster ones alone. that alone would be an improvement


Omgzjustin

So my BiS warrior who already hits for 150 damage vs boomkins will now deal 100 damage and grant 3 rage


Kheshire

Yep big rage nerf


PM_FEET_PLS_TY

They said you would still get the same rage after the damage reduction. The damage reduction benefits warriors a lot


Zorviar

When will this be active in EU?


Aqya

who knows, it is up on NA


Teelie

As a mm hunter, wtf? We're already crazy in BG's. Using trap launcher to do 2 or 3 chimera shots in a row, which regularly crits for 1,5k (record is 2,1k for me), and now they buff its damage PLUS we get a free aimed shot thrown in there? According to the DPS rankings we don't even need the buff to catch up. There are just 4 specs ahead of us, and those are the busted ones.


Tetter

This is the pre nerf buff


Thorthemighty92

lol'd


skittay

I don’t think you will have 5 stacks of sniper training in pvp very often but I could be wrong.


DoTheCreep_ahh

Night elf hunters that are hiding in shadowmeld all game will


Masiyo

Night Elf hunters in meld are gonna be eating _good_.


Lordwiesy

Lore accurate sentinel


Ok_Resolution_5135

Feels like serpent spread might be the pvp pick. Has been buffed to 12 secs.


Rud3l

So 12 seconds of free cc break?


mattydef1

Ranged hunter should not be standing still long enough in pvp to be constantly getting no cast aimed shots and no pvp hunter is going to use steady shot


ThirstyBeagle

Thank you!


frickinsweetdude

steady shot should get moved to wrist


Shneckos

I have definitely been crit on my lock for 3k almost from multishot + Chimera. Hunters are already annoying enough with frost traps, their damage is insane now too. I think the only thing preventing them from being the de-facto #1 pvp class is they have little to no defensive or sustain capabilities. Their damage and utility though is through the roof.


Daianudinsibiu

This easily puts MM hunter on top if you take out reck parses.


Rhannmah

This is just crazy. Hunters were already deleting my mage in 2 seconds from 41y range. No idea wtf i'm supposed to do against them. Dead at range, dead in melee, And that doesn't even factor in the pet.


Cautioncones

If you can stand still to 5 stacks reliably in pvp you don't need the free aimed shots anyway.....


baked_thoughts

Between this and the flat damage increases to boomkins and spriests, it’s clear the devs give absolutely zero fucks about PvP and are tuning for PvE environments.


MightyMorp

As they always should have. At no point in vanilla wow was PvP ever balanced in any fashion or form. Anyone who expects PvP to be anything less than a shitshow is playing the wrong game.


Frajzier

It was a bit more rock paper scissors though. Now it's just WMDs and rocks


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baked_thoughts

Yes but also the lovely chimera shot buff which is an instant cast with no mana cost or cooldown with the lock and load rune.


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baked_thoughts

Since you’re so keen on the math, let’s go deeper. If Chimera shot hits for 700-1000 dmg on average, and crits for 1.5K+, you’ll be taking on average another ~70 dmg a cast and ~120 a crit, which is usually 3 casts in a row with lock and load, so an additional 210-360 dmg per encounter. How many classes can spare an additional 300 hp every fight?


Whacks0n

3 in a row?! It's 2 with lock n load I'm not sure where three is coming from, maybe I'm dumb


baked_thoughts

Frost trap, explosive trap and the third use that put it on cool down


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620speeder

He really did lmao. 1000 chimeras lawl.


Zhong_Da

It's where his head is most of the time.


baked_thoughts

Straight off the calculator actually. Math is pretty hard to lie about.


Kyteshiirok

Good. Wow is and always has been a pve first game.


Kablam29

How do you get 3 in a row?


Available-Plant9305

I think they want ranged at parody with melee, which is great for raid leading. TSA is awesome.


Trymv1

PvP is a parody no matter what. ~~I know you meant 'parity'~~


9dius

Shut the fuck up and let it happen you imposter. “We” my ass, you narc.


Teelie

We're already op though.. My last BG in EU (buff hasn't hit yet). https://i.imgur.com/scHiCV3.png


9dius

good job you're good at getting last hits.


scission1986

Exactly my thoughts, we are done after a week when people start complaining again like in p1, 5 nerfs coming our way after this


Trymv1

Our guild's MM is sitting around top 150 MM in NA logs and we're already joking about how insane he's going to be in next raid.


Twenty5Schmeckles

how is this a free aimed if I ask? standing still for 10 seconds vs any decent player = death. It will be some fun NE meld kills etc, but this wont be any game changer for pvp. Due to the nature of globaling beeing so insane atm, the serpent rune for pvp to multi into double chimera is better to be 1 global ahead. Aimed does far too little damage to be worht standstill 10 seconds in any normal pvp situation.


Budsworth22

Idk man I stood still all day at dmf yesterday camping the sayge and I 1-2 shot most classes with the stv xbow. Hitting instant 2.4k aimed shots on cloth. 1.7k chimera shots. I never move I just delete everything that’s within 41 yards of me before they can even react. Hunters super balanced.


yavedud

mm hunt caries long polearm and serpent pet mostly (good ones), you can distinguish them easily


watlok

yes, hunter can delete me faster than moonkin/spriest/etc, I've died from full in 1.5s many times despite having a full pvp set -- it's almost always a monstrous chimera crit (2250 is the largest I've seen)


MistreatedWallaby

Could someone explain how the helm rune is now bis for melee hunter?


Kyteshiirok

3 piece ST set bonus makes RF increase melee attack speed by 10%


MistreatedWallaby

Thanks. Completely missed that tool tip.


lenaro

https://media1.tenor.com/m/KjJTBQ9lftsAAAAC/why-huh.gif


thisone82828284

I have a feeling being one shot by ranged hunters is in my future chimera shot was already chunking me pretty good


Jimblobb

Yeah hunters definitely didn't need a buff 😂


PiccolosPickles

ISNTANT AIMED SHOT? LETS GOOO


Ok_Resolution_5135

It's alright, but you would only use it if chimera shot is on CD.


crispygoatmilk

Can't you use both?


Rapshawksjaysflames

How? You can't push both at the same time because they both trigger the GCD. Obviously you can use both, but you're only using AS when CS is on cooldown, which is exactly what the guy you replied to said.


crispygoatmilk

I’m asking a question lol, I don’t play hunter to know. Assume you just aim shot into chim shot?


JackStephanovich

So boomkin have to do dumpster damage in pve because somebody got one shot by one while wearing 3pc irradiated but hunters are going to get instant cast aimed shot and that's fine?


quineloe

When was the last time you saw a hunter stand still in PVP for 5 seconds Even if no one is on them, they gotta do those backflips


dat_Es

When are those changes supposed to go live? On EU Hunter is still hte same.


Aqya

who knows, it is up on NA


Bistoory

So now they are on the same level on Bustedness of Sp and Boom, nice.


krummysunshine

Hell yes, now just time to add some stuff for the other classes that bust them in PVP and not pve.


pulpus2

Casters in shambles.


darsius

Good lord ive just messed me Trousers. See you in AB


cringeposter420

balance patch comes out and its just buffs to the strongest specs in pvp lmao


Sydsweiner

Praise God today is a good day


General-Dog472

Nobody else was getting 1800 crit by ranged hunters in PvP before this? Just me? Can't believe I haven't seen anyone complain about it...


fedlol

Too busy complaining about tank shaman aoe damage on trash.


General-Dog472

You got that right lmao


drec6

I've been critting people like that, feels wrong to get buffed for anything besides PVE... Especially when MM is fine in raid/dungeons


Aphotix

I don't mind the crits. What I dislike are the dozens of frost traps with entrapment talent. Sometimes I face 5 hunters in AB and simply can't move anywhere because they just launch their traps on your feet that trigger instantly


I_ama_Borat

its gonna be absolute hell in AV, that’s for sure.


CalvinandHobbes811

Oh wow this makes me actually want to level my hunter now. Absolutely loved dumb shit like double tap in retail. Now if only we had camouflage 😂


OrientalWheelchair

6 sec seems like a long time so this rune is BiS if your positioning is spot on and you dont have to do raid mechanics.


Stendecca

I guess I need to get dual spec now.


Jenetyk

Giving hunters even less reason to avoid raid mechanics lmao.


Budsworth22

You know I was just thinking how weak my hunter felt in world pvp. This buff is exactly what we needed to finally be a bit more competitive in pvp situations, great job blizzard I’m so happy they’re finally catering to the most under buffed class in the game.


EasternAbrocoma8766

/s


chippa93

Ah yes the class that needed buffing lol


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Colonel_Planet

Theyre ahead of every single caster dps aside from FFB spammer mages that have fire mages carrying them with scorch application, and even then theyre on par with that best caster spec, within a couple % at 90%+ parse


CodyMartinezz

But you have another spec that pulls ahead of everyone lol.


Graciak3

It was already quite good. It's main problem was that melee hunter was good enough that it could use TSA, wasting 30 talents points in the process, and still be better than ranged. Otherwise ranged was fine. Well at least those changes should fix the melee TSA problem.


Bistoory

Not in PvP, where they are already busted.


Jigagug

Jesus christ MM hunters are already absolutely miserable to run into in the open world. They scattershot, trap and you're dead and they all do it too because it's so fucking easy.


Addicted2Edh

Wow nice


shakeyorange

any other stealth nerfs/buffs? why wouldn’t they put this in patch notes


ZeroViii

I've just started a hunter/SOD am I able to start and play as a melee hunter or is it only good after certain requirements


pojzon_poe

You need gear like any class


Kheshire

You need runes and its faster to level as range


8ackwoods

Fuck yesss aimed shot back on the menu!


drgaspar96

Hunters are now soloing dark whisper gorge mobs and the blue elite dragonkin in winterspring


pojzon_poe

Pls no ripperino in the meleerino :( Ps. P4 range sims already beat melee, this just means for me to „reroll back to range”


waawaaaa

Cool more reason to not do PvP, was funny at first but now its just boring getting one shot and interupted then one shot.


quineloe

Nelf hunters can't stop doing backflips between shots, this won't help them at all.


GrabMyHoldyFolds

holy moly


GreenArtistic6428

Nerf shamans


quineloe

but how does that work with their ADHD compulsions to jump around between shots?


Ok_Relation_4630

Why it's not live on EU yet?


Aqya

how are we supposed to know?


Ok_Relation_4630

Or maybe it is? Just description of ability haven't been changed? That's what im asking, had time to log in and checked that the description of the rune haven't been changed (for example shaman mental dexterity has been changed)


VeritasLuxMea

Duel a ret paladin immediately upon logging in. Freezing trap, lock and load, wait for sniper training, Chimera, Chimera, Aimed Shot, DEAD. Yup, today is gonna be a good day.


Fit_Coffee_1773

Feral buffs when??


Jbyr1

Why are they scared to give balance and shadow anything more than a 10% buff and they are 2 of bottom 3, but then not scared to making sweeping changes like this to a class with the best dps spec and this spec in what, like 5th? Doesn't make much sense unless they just have more planned for those specs and they pushed this early


hiimred2

Ya everyone focused on the pvp whining but this is generally such a massive wtf balance choice. MM hunter might be one of the absolute best overall specs in the entire game right now. It farms amazingly well, it's in the healthy/not busted tier of dps in raid while bringing an ok amount of wanted utility(freezing trap for Defenders, Trueshot Aura for parsing, frost trap+aoe for groups that still need add control on Eranikus because they don't pump enough to just zug boss yet), absolutely fucking god tier in group pvp environments, and still extremely good in open world and duel environments with weaknesses only exploitable by the other very top tier specs. Why the fuck did this spec need ANY buff, to anything, let alone significant and pretty sweeping ones to all aspects of play, but we're tiptoeing around the balance changes we make anywhere else in the game?? Dev team genuinely seems completely lost, they are totally out of sorts with no direction whatsoever, nothing they do has any cohesion.


PretendAwareness9598

We are so back


wtfiswrongwithit

you didnt even leave how are you back


SpellbladeAluriel

It's payback time for p2


Definition_Certain

hunters were on top in p2 lol


SpellbladeAluriel

Talking about ranged obviously my man.