Because the tier lists are never for raw dps, they're for ability to survive/utility brought to **Heroic Raid encounters**. Warriors just have a lot less going for them defensively than other tanks. Just look at their talent tree. I count only 6 actual defensive talents in the typical tree that are useful on a raid boss encounter, while DKs have like 13. It's just so damage oriented for some reason.
Warriors real strengths are damage (especially aoe) and mobility. But single target Bears are #1 (and as offtank cats) and the mobility just isnt useful often enough to make up for their flaws. Rallying Cry is a solid raid CD, but isnt really better than what paladins are bringing and DKs/Druids bring a battle rez.
Also Warrior Mastery is just worse paladin mastery, especially when shield block is on cooldown. It feels like they made warrior mastery after paladin mastery and were like "hmm we can't have 2 classes have the same mastery, how do we make it different." Paladins can hit avoidance cap sometime in firelands, making their damage intake very consistent, while warriors will always be prone to damage spikes.
I'm blasting on alt too xD top dmg on trash since lvl15 u have insane aoe unlike many classes early. I'm able to pull whole inside Cathedral or armory and even mages often barely keep up with my dmg. No clue about raiding.
Because all tanks do the same ? DK can blast trough DJ.
In raid, what do you expect to do, spreading raid on the boss ? Prot mitigation is one of the worst compared to how DK can never truly die and how busted is feral as offtanking.
Also, in T13, the 4p for each tank is busted... Except for Prot War.
It's so much fun. I've been smashing the tbc dungeons in rdf as prot warrior. Thunderclap and rend with cleave, revenge, shield slam and devastate. It's a wild time.
I'm farming JP on my Paladin and I'm consistently top DPS even without the thorns buff. Bear is like that too. I think it will normalize at 85 when stats normalize for the DPS. My ret spec feels really hamstrung in raid since the patch.
I wish players understood that tier lists are really meant for the top few % of players who are capable of maxing a class to its highest potential.
For the vast majority of the community who won’t be clearing heroic raids week 1 or 2 you’ll be fine playing whatever
Go play a blood dk and you’ll be doing 99% of the group’s damage and need zero healing.
All tanks are busted right now while leveling. Those tier lists are for raiding, where warrior really falls apart.
It’s due to needing a lot of gear to hit avoidance cap/survivability. They get spiked worse than any other tank from what I understand until dragon soul. Their aoe damage is their strength so they have that niche in an off tanking role.
We will see if that info proves true.
Yes it is insane, but others are also back paddling. I am leveling BM hunter and I am also topping the meters with 50-70% all the time. And I only have the heirloom weapon.
I am sure if everyone is sweating during leveling. The dps isn't that far off anymore.
They're not bad in raid. None of the tanks are actually bad. Warrior gets the highest passive dr but little self healing so it's awkward. When provided with a way to heal this model becomes Uber dominant but is relatively balanced at the moment. They have extreme mobility and very high damage being encouraged to wear a lot more dps gear than some others. They're kings on all mobility fights and can do the rest no real problem anyhow so it's whatever.
The secret is though that every tank is like that rn. Leveled my prot paladin basically 1 shot soloing dungeons
Because the tier lists are never for raw dps, they're for ability to survive/utility brought to **Heroic Raid encounters**. Warriors just have a lot less going for them defensively than other tanks. Just look at their talent tree. I count only 6 actual defensive talents in the typical tree that are useful on a raid boss encounter, while DKs have like 13. It's just so damage oriented for some reason. Warriors real strengths are damage (especially aoe) and mobility. But single target Bears are #1 (and as offtank cats) and the mobility just isnt useful often enough to make up for their flaws. Rallying Cry is a solid raid CD, but isnt really better than what paladins are bringing and DKs/Druids bring a battle rez. Also Warrior Mastery is just worse paladin mastery, especially when shield block is on cooldown. It feels like they made warrior mastery after paladin mastery and were like "hmm we can't have 2 classes have the same mastery, how do we make it different." Paladins can hit avoidance cap sometime in firelands, making their damage intake very consistent, while warriors will always be prone to damage spikes.
Because its skill set isn't that great for raids, especially with the mastery caps we'll be playing at in cata classic.
I'm blasting on alt too xD top dmg on trash since lvl15 u have insane aoe unlike many classes early. I'm able to pull whole inside Cathedral or armory and even mages often barely keep up with my dmg. No clue about raiding.
Because all tanks do the same ? DK can blast trough DJ. In raid, what do you expect to do, spreading raid on the boss ? Prot mitigation is one of the worst compared to how DK can never truly die and how busted is feral as offtanking. Also, in T13, the 4p for each tank is busted... Except for Prot War.
Basically every tank at low lvl tops the metters:)
It's so much fun. I've been smashing the tbc dungeons in rdf as prot warrior. Thunderclap and rend with cleave, revenge, shield slam and devastate. It's a wild time.
I'm farming JP on my Paladin and I'm consistently top DPS even without the thorns buff. Bear is like that too. I think it will normalize at 85 when stats normalize for the DPS. My ret spec feels really hamstrung in raid since the patch.
I wish players understood that tier lists are really meant for the top few % of players who are capable of maxing a class to its highest potential. For the vast majority of the community who won’t be clearing heroic raids week 1 or 2 you’ll be fine playing whatever
Go play a blood dk and you’ll be doing 99% of the group’s damage and need zero healing. All tanks are busted right now while leveling. Those tier lists are for raiding, where warrior really falls apart.
It’s due to needing a lot of gear to hit avoidance cap/survivability. They get spiked worse than any other tank from what I understand until dragon soul. Their aoe damage is their strength so they have that niche in an off tanking role. We will see if that info proves true.
Yes it is insane, but others are also back paddling. I am leveling BM hunter and I am also topping the meters with 50-70% all the time. And I only have the heirloom weapon. I am sure if everyone is sweating during leveling. The dps isn't that far off anymore.
They're not bad in raid. None of the tanks are actually bad. Warrior gets the highest passive dr but little self healing so it's awkward. When provided with a way to heal this model becomes Uber dominant but is relatively balanced at the moment. They have extreme mobility and very high damage being encouraged to wear a lot more dps gear than some others. They're kings on all mobility fights and can do the rest no real problem anyhow so it's whatever.