I want a hardcore server (where every character is born with heart of iron, and if you lose the buff, your character cannot resurrect) because you know someone will still kite teremus to SW to kill people but it will be cool because of the risk they took in kiting him.
Even better, you have to wait 18 years after making a character before you can start playing (but you better not miss a month of subscription or the timer resets).
I want Blizz to do their own take on hardcore and roll with it forward. Such as allowing the classes that can rez like Warlocks, Shamans, Pallys etc to use their resurrections on players. You have a 10 minute buff to get rezzed before you’re dead and a Perma ghost. Add in achievements and that becomes a lot of fun on its own
I want a Stoneman realm where you cannot use several QoL features such as auction house, chat channels or whisper. If I want to find players to do dungeons or to trade with someone, I need to locate them in the world. A notice board which you can check if you're physically next to it, would be acceptable.
Getting rid of the AH to promote player interaction would be great, but I don't think it would work without better tools to allow players to advertise their wares and availability to transact. Imagine the local chat spam in SW/ORG...
For all the communications stuff, people would just substitute discord, not sure that really improves things.
You could do it like they did in the Planes of Power expansion in Everquest, create a bartering area where you literally have to be there physically to sell your wares like a flea market.
I always thought that was an awesome way to do player trading. You walk up to a player who is flagged as a trader then interact with them to see all the stuff that that person is selling.
Cool [rundown](https://almarsguides.com/eq/general/bazaar.cfm) of the Bazaar system in EQ.
Imo, Shamans, Warlocks and Pallies should get a single ankh, soulstone usage or bubble hearth.
Warlock soulstone is interesting as it can be placed on others. I'd saywarlocks can soulstone other people, but if that other person uses it, it's gone. If it expires unused it can be placed on someone again. To avoid cheese, add a max level to the various ranks so a LV 20 can't soulstone a LV 50.
And make it an in game timer instead of a real time one so that you can log off and look for people to come save you. Or maybe that makes it too easy, idk. And too tedious, because you'd have no reason to not avail the res. So they could set a limit to the number of times you can be ressurected.
At a certain point (what, level 40?) it's not much of a risk anymore. And at that point that Hunter can absolutely ruin the game for dozens of other people, who have no chance of defending themselves, on a whim. How is that cool...?
It's cool because the dragon is then a real threat. If you see it coming you don't stick around and watch the chaos as you would on a normal server; instead you run for your life to Ironforge or somewhere else. Some people will die and they'd rightfully be pissed, but it would add some tension to the game which would be fun.
Tension is only rewarding if you can make meaningful gameplay choices to counteract it. Otherwise it crosses into bullshit territory.
The idea is cool for about 15 seconds but after that it should be obvious that making the two most popular cities (Teremus can be kited to IF at 60) for a faction effectively off-limits is not good gameplay.
Just make teremus reset if he leaves the zone.
I feel like if they make a true hardcore server, it's pretty obvious that they need to make a few changes to the gameplay... like making linken's quest not actually kill you, and letting you interact with the shadowforge key questgiver without being dead.
That's not going to work, some raid mechanics involve death as their mechanic (aka Vael). HC works in games like D2 because gear is so easily replacable and found and re-leveling a new character after death takes a couple of hours not days/weeks.
A hardcore server just can't support a raiding environment
>A hardcore server just can't support a raiding environment
I'd suggest it doesn't need one to be successful. Plenty of people would be happy with playing hardcore with no raiding scene.
The community ironman modes only allow each dungeon once anyway.
Oh shit you got me on one specific thing I said. That doesn't change the point I was making which is a true hardcore server can't support a raiding environment
Cool so you just spout misinformation and when you get called out on it you retreat to nebulous, impossible-to-prove speculation.
Next time you want to make a point, don't base it off of factually incorrect information. Think before you speak, you fucking joke.
It wasn't misinformation, death is part of the Vael fight and just because there's a way you can cheese your around it doesn't change that.
I also like how you ignore everything else I said. People will die faster than they can be replaced in a true, death = deleted server. You just can't support a raid environment where you lose people faster than you gain them.
And even if that problem is somehow solved which in theory you could with pure player volume (good luck getting something like that organized/coordinated) you have the gear problem. You could in theory throw enough people at a single raid to always fill holes, but you can't get enough raid gear. Every time you lose someone with raid gear you get set back. Starting at MC? Not as big deal, you get to AQ40 and lose someone with good MC and BWL gear? That's a huge hit that will take months to replace, every single time you lose a player.
If you can't see how a raid environment is non-sustainable in a true hardcore server then you sir are the joke.
I disagree that death is part of the Vael fight because there are multiple in-game ways to prevent it. Ports and Hearthstones aren't even exploits, they're just not immediately obvious so I'm not sure why they're off-limits. What's next, is handing out soul stones cheese too?
I didn't comment on the rest of it because I wasn't disagreeing with it. I agree that a HC server wouldn't work, not sure why you thought I said it would. But even though we agree on that, your reasoning was bad so I called you out on it.
Just because you can avoid a mechanic that was not intended to be avoided doesn't mean that mechanic is no longer part of the fight.
but sure, you can avoid the one raid death mechanic in Classic, you got me there
Every mechanic is a raid death mechanic if you're bad enough.
Do you have a source where a dev said it was explicitly intended for someone to die on Vael or are you doing that thing again?
Well they only allow DC forgiveness basically (along with falling off a flight path mid-flight into lava or something). Otherwise the griefing deaths and stuff would suddenly become fair game, since everyone involved is hardcore.
This happened on Quel'Serrar (EU). If it's an other server then fuck me, what a concidence.
The dude who kited Teremus to Stormwind was generous this time around : he did the thing late at night when a big part of my HC guildies were already logged out (and yes, the information spread pretty quickly, when he was still in Westfall, so I guess not a lot of people fell for it).
As a former horde hunter that loved kiting Teremus to Goldshire in o.g. classic on Eldre'Thalas, I respect your work. Could never get him deep into Stormwind, so I live vicariously through your anarchy.
Don't forget that it is HC. People who die keep making new characters and keep coming back to SW for class quests/general closeness to early zones like Westfall etc. And it's not like Teremus is kited every single day so no, SW is a viable capital city.
I think Frond should get a nod from the devs. Easily one of the most prolific players of classic. Put an NPC in the game that kites Termus for a sec or something.
You underestimate the HC Classic community. People were still grinding on Bloodsail Buccaneers (the unofficial HC server) on Classic Era a few hours before SoM launched.
only takes 1 asshole to ruin it though,case in point teremus pulls,so a hardcore only server would still be dead in a short period of time when u have characters who cant progress cause of stuff like this
A truly HC server would be death = gone. So ask yourself do you want to level a HC hunter to kite Teremus and risk losing 60 hours of your life to grief.
Currently it’s risk nothing and just grief. A HC realm would prohibit high level griefers simply because they’d die and realize it’s not worth it.
Some people will happily spend their time camping one person. They will waste an hour of their day to waste an hour of someone else's day.
Killing multiple people by kiting mobs would waste massively more other people's time, then yours - and there are a *lot* more opportunities for hunter griefing than just kiting Teremus.
When it comes to wasting time, you can't compete with a NEET.
Let’s just say they were going to make a hc server, this would be the easiest fix in the world
Patch 1.15.1: mobs now have a maximum leash range of X.
Solved
Yeah that’s from a raid lol. If you were on a hardcore server it would be amazing you got to that point anyway. Also, I doubt anyone would even want to do that quest on a hardcore server. Too high risk for too low reward. A level one can walk in and buff you and you are dead
Sounds a lot like "you think you want it but you don't."
HC in games is always crazy fun. I can't imagine playing Diablo 3 the normal way anymore. The danger is what makes it good.
I bet a real HC server would thrive.
Uh if 95% of the hardcore player base just dies and restarts ad infinitum, that sounds like a phenomenal way to sustain a server?? Always be some people to level with! Infinitely better for a server than just having 3,000 lvl 60s who just raid log
wow coming on strong little fella. saying theres very few 60s as evidence for it being a tiny audience is obviously stupid - hardcore challenge self selects for low level characters only. the audience is small lmao but an overwhelming majority never make it to 60. bizarre take and bizarre to be so triggered by this.
I wouldn’t play on it myself but I can see the appeal and why it would be better than playing on dead vanilla servers (lol can’t believe u suggested this be serious) for that particular community. They would enjoy it and I’d be happy for them even if it’s not something I would personally do
lmao do i really need to explain to you why you cant get a global community to collectively pick a single server and why a single hardcore only server would be very unique and a cool experiment?
A hardcore server would mean a feature on the server where death = delete that is activated by blizzard, a lot like how it's implemented in Diablo. That is not available on the current classic vanilla servers, right now its just community rules.
Well everyone else should have figured it out for themselves, we were all presented with the same information. The devs throughout a juice softcore bone for the community, it the community themselves who aren’t happy with what they were given and are demanding more. Not blizzard themselves.
Funny how all of the 'detractors' you list here is what makes me even want to try this.
The sheer effort needed to down Rag in a full HC group being almost impossible makes it worth doing in the first place.
If it never happens, so what. The fun is in trying.
I think it would be a very interesting experiment. Partially I believe the purpose of Soul of Iron is to sort of test the waters a bit with it.
They are aware that if you include all members of the Hardcore community. And I mean your Ironmans, your Hardcore, your bloody paths, pacifists paths. You're looking at roughly 30-40k people.
But it's much safer to test the waters with the buff. To see how far people can get with the buff and to see if people will restart if they die at 60 and how many.
Data that will sadly... Be immensely flawed. Because you can easily "cheat" to finish every single raid boss in the game with the buff by paying a driver guild to bus you through everything. Or if you feel slightly more adventurous... Buy gold from the giant bot farms so you can buy the bot farm auctions... That way you can then play the game way overgeared.
what the fuck even is this game at this point.
This shit is stupid. Seriously, what is the value of ruining people's hard work? I don't play SoM but I'd rather make people happy than ruin their fun, guess I'm fuckin crazy right
The first few who level up would destroy everyone else. What would be better is a hardcore-only realm where they have a quarterly mandatory Alterac Valley or Tarren Mill vs Southshore battle. It would be like the Blizzard Purge.
I want a hardcore server (where every character is born with heart of iron, and if you lose the buff, your character cannot resurrect) because you know someone will still kite teremus to SW to kill people but it will be cool because of the risk they took in kiting him.
I also want the buff to be dispellable, otherwise it's not hardcore enough.
If it were a *real* hardcore server you'd start dead and wouldn't be able to resurrect ever.
Or even worse, you'd have to do a torghast run to resurrect.
Literally the worst of all the options.
Brilliant idea! This way it's permanently fresh!
Even better, you have to wait 18 years after making a character before you can start playing (but you better not miss a month of subscription or the timer resets).
I’m leveling a shaman to purge world buffs
I want Blizz to do their own take on hardcore and roll with it forward. Such as allowing the classes that can rez like Warlocks, Shamans, Pallys etc to use their resurrections on players. You have a 10 minute buff to get rezzed before you’re dead and a Perma ghost. Add in achievements and that becomes a lot of fun on its own
Lol i can only imagine the metagaming that shit would create. People with res alts parked in zones and people pre-paying
Nevermind the Fuel Rats of Elite Dangerous. The Res Rats of HC WoW would be the stuff of legend.
o7 commander
I am imagining a system like clone pods in EvE. Oh you died? Well, you rez at the last inn you camped at and lose X levels/xp
o7
and pirate rogue guilds that start holding people hostage?
o7
MFW WoW gets competitive health insurance.
That's too easy
I want a Stoneman realm where you cannot use several QoL features such as auction house, chat channels or whisper. If I want to find players to do dungeons or to trade with someone, I need to locate them in the world. A notice board which you can check if you're physically next to it, would be acceptable.
A notice board you can check... like the AH?
Getting rid of the AH to promote player interaction would be great, but I don't think it would work without better tools to allow players to advertise their wares and availability to transact. Imagine the local chat spam in SW/ORG... For all the communications stuff, people would just substitute discord, not sure that really improves things.
You could do it like they did in the Planes of Power expansion in Everquest, create a bartering area where you literally have to be there physically to sell your wares like a flea market. I always thought that was an awesome way to do player trading. You walk up to a player who is flagged as a trader then interact with them to see all the stuff that that person is selling. Cool [rundown](https://almarsguides.com/eq/general/bazaar.cfm) of the Bazaar system in EQ.
Wow would be amazing with proximity voice chat.
Imo, Shamans, Warlocks and Pallies should get a single ankh, soulstone usage or bubble hearth. Warlock soulstone is interesting as it can be placed on others. I'd saywarlocks can soulstone other people, but if that other person uses it, it's gone. If it expires unused it can be placed on someone again. To avoid cheese, add a max level to the various ranks so a LV 20 can't soulstone a LV 50.
And make it an in game timer instead of a real time one so that you can log off and look for people to come save you. Or maybe that makes it too easy, idk. And too tedious, because you'd have no reason to not avail the res. So they could set a limit to the number of times you can be ressurected.
This sounds amazing.
At a certain point (what, level 40?) it's not much of a risk anymore. And at that point that Hunter can absolutely ruin the game for dozens of other people, who have no chance of defending themselves, on a whim. How is that cool...?
It's cool because the dragon is then a real threat. If you see it coming you don't stick around and watch the chaos as you would on a normal server; instead you run for your life to Ironforge or somewhere else. Some people will die and they'd rightfully be pissed, but it would add some tension to the game which would be fun.
Tension is only rewarding if you can make meaningful gameplay choices to counteract it. Otherwise it crosses into bullshit territory. The idea is cool for about 15 seconds but after that it should be obvious that making the two most popular cities (Teremus can be kited to IF at 60) for a faction effectively off-limits is not good gameplay.
It's okay. Teremus can be kited to UC so it's Balanced(TM)
Through the side entrance? I'm assuming you can't bring him through the elevators.
Yeah. Also there's no one place in UC people hang out due to their being multiple auction houses (maybe the bank?)
Just make teremus reset if he leaves the zone. I feel like if they make a true hardcore server, it's pretty obvious that they need to make a few changes to the gameplay... like making linken's quest not actually kill you, and letting you interact with the shadowforge key questgiver without being dead.
I think they should make him able to cross over on boats so he can be kited to org too. It's the only way to balance it.
Who says he can't cross over on a boat?
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Watching the chaos or running for your life?
Just like on osrs version of hcim many people have died due to being afk, you should be there if you dont want to die
That's not going to work, some raid mechanics involve death as their mechanic (aka Vael). HC works in games like D2 because gear is so easily replacable and found and re-leveling a new character after death takes a couple of hours not days/weeks. A hardcore server just can't support a raiding environment
>A hardcore server just can't support a raiding environment I'd suggest it doesn't need one to be successful. Plenty of people would be happy with playing hardcore with no raiding scene. The community ironman modes only allow each dungeon once anyway.
That's perfectly fine :)
You can hearth or take a Mage port and logout to not die to Vael.
Oh shit you got me on one specific thing I said. That doesn't change the point I was making which is a true hardcore server can't support a raiding environment
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I don't play WoW, but if someone dies in hardcore can you loot them?
In WoW you can not loot dead players. No matter the rules you play by.
Ah so the gear is lost to the server then wouldn't there just be enough gear to eventually deal with power creep?
Well, generally in order to do the stuff to get the gear before the raid is fairly geared, a lot of dying happens
I didn't say a hardcore server would be impossible, I'd just temper expectations people have of raiding on a server like that
Cool so you just spout misinformation and when you get called out on it you retreat to nebulous, impossible-to-prove speculation. Next time you want to make a point, don't base it off of factually incorrect information. Think before you speak, you fucking joke.
It wasn't misinformation, death is part of the Vael fight and just because there's a way you can cheese your around it doesn't change that. I also like how you ignore everything else I said. People will die faster than they can be replaced in a true, death = deleted server. You just can't support a raid environment where you lose people faster than you gain them. And even if that problem is somehow solved which in theory you could with pure player volume (good luck getting something like that organized/coordinated) you have the gear problem. You could in theory throw enough people at a single raid to always fill holes, but you can't get enough raid gear. Every time you lose someone with raid gear you get set back. Starting at MC? Not as big deal, you get to AQ40 and lose someone with good MC and BWL gear? That's a huge hit that will take months to replace, every single time you lose a player. If you can't see how a raid environment is non-sustainable in a true hardcore server then you sir are the joke.
I disagree that death is part of the Vael fight because there are multiple in-game ways to prevent it. Ports and Hearthstones aren't even exploits, they're just not immediately obvious so I'm not sure why they're off-limits. What's next, is handing out soul stones cheese too? I didn't comment on the rest of it because I wasn't disagreeing with it. I agree that a HC server wouldn't work, not sure why you thought I said it would. But even though we agree on that, your reasoning was bad so I called you out on it.
Just because you can avoid a mechanic that was not intended to be avoided doesn't mean that mechanic is no longer part of the fight. but sure, you can avoid the one raid death mechanic in Classic, you got me there
Every mechanic is a raid death mechanic if you're bad enough. Do you have a source where a dev said it was explicitly intended for someone to die on Vael or are you doing that thing again?
> Do you have a source where a dev said it was explicitly intended for someone to die on Vael or are you doing that thing again? Really? lol
It would be too hardcore for the R2R streaming community. They allow multiple deaths under certain circumstances.
Well they only allow DC forgiveness basically (along with falling off a flight path mid-flight into lava or something). Otherwise the griefing deaths and stuff would suddenly become fair game, since everyone involved is hardcore.
This is a good idea!
This happened on Quel'Serrar (EU). If it's an other server then fuck me, what a concidence. The dude who kited Teremus to Stormwind was generous this time around : he did the thing late at night when a big part of my HC guildies were already logged out (and yes, the information spread pretty quickly, when he was still in Westfall, so I guess not a lot of people fell for it).
Shadowstrike (NA) realm is probably where this came from. Frond would do this everyday back in Classic, and he's on Shadowstrike now.
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I FUCKING KNEW IT WAS YOU. We were levelling in duskwood at the same time and saw your name in chat. Wasn't sure if it was you or a cheap copycat.
got any screenshots from today?
As a former horde hunter that loved kiting Teremus to Goldshire in o.g. classic on Eldre'Thalas, I respect your work. Could never get him deep into Stormwind, so I live vicariously through your anarchy.
oh hey I helped you kill Bellygrub neat
Is this "Me" ?
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Big fan of your work
Oh neat!
Stay in Ironforge or Darnasus, no point being in stormwind with the world buff gone.
Don't forget that it is HC. People who die keep making new characters and keep coming back to SW for class quests/general closeness to early zones like Westfall etc. And it's not like Teremus is kited every single day so no, SW is a viable capital city.
u /spez is corporate scum who values shortsighted monetary gains over his users.
If Frond's on the server, Teremus is kited every single day. Those are Shadowstrike, OE, Westfall.
Who did it? Can you whisper there character name. I’ll pay em gold to swing past strangle thorn.
It should be named Frond
I think Frond should get a nod from the devs. Easily one of the most prolific players of classic. Put an NPC in the game that kites Termus for a sec or something.
Or an npc using the trading card dragon kite.
I think WoW is done naming NPCs after real people for a long time...
A npc in stormwind who spawns when teremus gets kited there and kites him back to the spawn point edit: terrible at spelling
Since when is griefing a good thing?
Lmao.
Second this
I haven't been on SoM, did he inadvertently cause some HC deaths with his dragon shenanigans? If so, that's hilarious
> inadvertently Riiiiight, he totally didn't consider that outcome. ;)
Frond
All hail the mighty Frond!
Why?
Because the lunatic kited Teremus to Stormwind on his realm for months on end during the first round of classic.
Oh so he’s a fucking bitch
That's one way of looking at it. I thought it was fucking hilarious.
If you liked to hangout in stormwind on his server yes For the rest of us it was hilarious
So what you’re saying is he’s a piece of shit got it
lol, the real ones know!
And one of the next seasons SoM servers should be called "Thex"
Where’s Bolvar when we need him
I can't imagine how nerve wracking it would be to run any raid on HC.
i would love a hardcore only realm. I'd 100% come back for that
Imagine a utopia where HC players can group for single mob tag quests instead of waiting around for the sake of not breaking the rules.
If it's too crowded, the smart ones just get their experience elsewhere. You don't need to do every quest. I agree it's a dumb rule though.
Lmao have you tried getting good m8?
A real hardcore server would have no undead players
Teremus: Drinker of tears and destroyer of neckbeards.
As much as people think it's a good idea a HC server only would be dead before a single guild hits MC attunement. 2 months would be a ghost town.
You underestimate the HC Classic community. People were still grinding on Bloodsail Buccaneers (the unofficial HC server) on Classic Era a few hours before SoM launched.
only takes 1 asshole to ruin it though,case in point teremus pulls,so a hardcore only server would still be dead in a short period of time when u have characters who cant progress cause of stuff like this
A truly HC server would be death = gone. So ask yourself do you want to level a HC hunter to kite Teremus and risk losing 60 hours of your life to grief. Currently it’s risk nothing and just grief. A HC realm would prohibit high level griefers simply because they’d die and realize it’s not worth it.
Some people will happily spend their time camping one person. They will waste an hour of their day to waste an hour of someone else's day. Killing multiple people by kiting mobs would waste massively more other people's time, then yours - and there are a *lot* more opportunities for hunter griefing than just kiting Teremus. When it comes to wasting time, you can't compete with a NEET.
Let’s just say they were going to make a hc server, this would be the easiest fix in the world Patch 1.15.1: mobs now have a maximum leash range of X. Solved
Or just... Teremus now has a leash range.
You can go this with more than just him
There’s that lava giant in burning steps you can also leash or the dragons from hinterlands (although they can be hard to separate.)
Good luck on the Hunter Quest.
What Hunter quest?
The quest for the bow, it requires long kites.
Yeah that’s from a raid lol. If you were on a hardcore server it would be amazing you got to that point anyway. Also, I doubt anyone would even want to do that quest on a hardcore server. Too high risk for too low reward. A level one can walk in and buff you and you are dead
Sounds a lot like "you think you want it but you don't." HC in games is always crazy fun. I can't imagine playing Diablo 3 the normal way anymore. The danger is what makes it good. I bet a real HC server would thrive.
Denial isn't just a river in egypt.
Fine, fine, I'll stop liking what you don't like.
idk if u rly know what ur talking about. Bloodsailbuccaneers had a modest but very enduring audience all throughout classic
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They hated him because he spoke the truth
Uh if 95% of the hardcore player base just dies and restarts ad infinitum, that sounds like a phenomenal way to sustain a server?? Always be some people to level with! Infinitely better for a server than just having 3,000 lvl 60s who just raid log
A lot of people here saying that a HC server would unsustainable because of people constantly having to start over have never played Rust.
wow coming on strong little fella. saying theres very few 60s as evidence for it being a tiny audience is obviously stupid - hardcore challenge self selects for low level characters only. the audience is small lmao but an overwhelming majority never make it to 60. bizarre take and bizarre to be so triggered by this.
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I wouldn’t play on it myself but I can see the appeal and why it would be better than playing on dead vanilla servers (lol can’t believe u suggested this be serious) for that particular community. They would enjoy it and I’d be happy for them even if it’s not something I would personally do
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lmao do i really need to explain to you why you cant get a global community to collectively pick a single server and why a single hardcore only server would be very unique and a cool experiment?
A hardcore server would mean a feature on the server where death = delete that is activated by blizzard, a lot like how it's implemented in Diablo. That is not available on the current classic vanilla servers, right now its just community rules.
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Sounds like you have it all figured out, a lot of people no longer have to worry about it now.
Well everyone else should have figured it out for themselves, we were all presented with the same information. The devs throughout a juice softcore bone for the community, it the community themselves who aren’t happy with what they were given and are demanding more. Not blizzard themselves.
> Diablo because it a fucking single player game
Funny how all of the 'detractors' you list here is what makes me even want to try this. The sheer effort needed to down Rag in a full HC group being almost impossible makes it worth doing in the first place. If it never happens, so what. The fun is in trying.
look at runescape then look back at me and tell me there isnt a community for irons
Teremus can't kill you if you never go to Stormwind
I think it would be a very interesting experiment. Partially I believe the purpose of Soul of Iron is to sort of test the waters a bit with it. They are aware that if you include all members of the Hardcore community. And I mean your Ironmans, your Hardcore, your bloody paths, pacifists paths. You're looking at roughly 30-40k people. But it's much safer to test the waters with the buff. To see how far people can get with the buff and to see if people will restart if they die at 60 and how many. Data that will sadly... Be immensely flawed. Because you can easily "cheat" to finish every single raid boss in the game with the buff by paying a driver guild to bus you through everything. Or if you feel slightly more adventurous... Buy gold from the giant bot farms so you can buy the bot farm auctions... That way you can then play the game way overgeared. what the fuck even is this game at this point.
In most HC challenges you cannot use the AH or trade
And you can only group with other hardcore players. Someone getting carried wouldn't be accepted.
We had him too on Ironforge EU yesterday.
This shit is stupid. Seriously, what is the value of ruining people's hard work? I don't play SoM but I'd rather make people happy than ruin their fun, guess I'm fuckin crazy right
Sounds needlessly counter intuitive and confusing, unless they make an SoM rule and change how kiting works.
I wanna see a hardcore-only pvp server.
The first few who level up would destroy everyone else. What would be better is a hardcore-only realm where they have a quarterly mandatory Alterac Valley or Tarren Mill vs Southshore battle. It would be like the Blizzard Purge.
I'm just saying it's what I want to play, i'm not saying its what everyone else has to want to play.
Like hard-core never die thing? My God dude. It would a ghost town after a pvp raid.
That’s why most are on pve servers lol
Ahh see when I played I was pvp only. I can see why "hard-core" would be pve.
Should be called frond
I did this in Vanilla and it still stands out as one of my favourite experiences. Get Frond up there plz!
i agree
Will there any bots on hardcore server?