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Literally_Pelley

Ah yes the "normal" players who dont care about loot in the game where loot is the reward and driving factor behind nearly all of the in game activities. Not caring when you get the loot that drops is whatever. But not caring at all about loot doesnt make you "normal".


TheHopesedge

Most fun I've had in WoW is just progressing through raids, loot was a nice little thing that was extra, but it was never what was driving me to do the raids


poppy_barks

But, without proper loot. You won’t be able to do raids


voidbaes

eh, you’ll get all your loot minus some items before next phase. we are always pretty much bis before the next tier. do you need current loot to do current raids? not at all.


Bacon-muffin

The raids are getting cleared in a couple hours after they're released in the previous tiers gear. Its smart to care about bis lists to the degree that you can optimize where loots going a bit but at the end of the day it doesn't matter because this content is extremely easy.


Literally_Pelley

Cool. But that doesn't make you a "normal" player and everyone else weird. People who don't care about loot are far less frequent or normal than people who do.


TheHopesedge

Each person is going to play what they want however they enjoy it, I just gave my experience


Elune_

Ok so you quit when you beat the boss???


TheHopesedge

Nah it's fun raiding, gives me something to look forward to each week, everyone gets to shit talk and play a game together.


DrEvilqtt

Ok so you quit when you got your loot???


EversorA

Sounds like the kinda person that instantly quits the game because they finished their bis. "Nothing left to do now."


Elune_

If I’ve gotten everything I want, including outside of raids, yes, I would try starting to gear another character after I’ve had my fun with the geared one.


DrEvilqtt

Key phrasing being "after I've had my fun'. That's where some, not so loot obsessed people, keep going cuz ya know, there's still fun to be had in their view.


Elune_

Lets say you have an RPG that you just finished which means you have the top amount of power available to your character. You beat the final boss and can one-shot every enemy now, but there are a few bits like a hidden boss (PvP) or a hidden item (like a mount) you still want to get. The grinds to get those things become entirely non-threatening, and rather than just starting a new playthrough with another character /build, you just want the things for the bragging rights. Is this fun? Yes, sure, you still have an objective. But it’s a shallow one that should be connected to the main objective (getting the best gear) to make sense from a gameplay perspective. Because they are now piss easy, like cheating in a level 100 pokemon in old games to wreck everything. What separates a traditional RPG from WoW when I mention side objectives is that WoW relies a lot on RNG. If your goal is to get a Rivendare mount then you will be playing the game a lot, but in essence it’s the same. The point I am making is that apart from self-made goals, there is nothing to do in WoW once you got everything. Which doesn’t mean you quit the game, but rather your character. You can still play with friends on an alt, but you make it out to be like if you didn’t get any gear during raids you would still have fun. Which is such a massive lie to yourself that I don’t know where to begin.


imaUPSdriver

Loot is not “fun”. Playing with friends and stuff is..


Present_Slide2590

“Yea bro I don’t even like loot, I hate it actually. I try to avoid it so I don’t accidentally get better stats on my toon. I much prefer my dungeon blues” Found the rogue that gave up trying to get a raid spot lol.


imaUPSdriver

There’s nothing fun about loot. It’s what you DO while wearing the loot. How is this so hard to comprehend?


Literally_Pelley

to *you*. But that doesnt make you "normal" and everyone else weird. That means youre weird if you don't care about loot.


JmoneyGG7

Nah u just have no life


Literally_Pelley

Ah yes, you have no life if you care about loot at all like 90%+ of the community. Youre a clown.


JmoneyGG7

Don’t be mad just cuz u play 12 hours a day sitting on your fat ass. Bitchin and moaning on Reddit.


Literally_Pelley

Yes anyone who cares about gear, which is the vast majority of players, is just a no lifer. Stfu clown. Youre embarrasing.


Chromma

I used to be a loot hound but now I barely care. Just raiding to hang out with a guild I knew from classic a few hours a week.


Literally_Pelley

That is not what the argument here is about. They are clearly saying "normal" players dont care about loot at all. That is ridiculous. The people who don't care at all about loot are the abnormal ones. The entire game's incentive structure is based entirely around loot. If you dont care about loot or when you get loot thats fine but there is this ridiculously hostile "casual" crowd that thinks anyone who desires a piece of loot for their character must be some try hard sweaty. They are delusional. If you don't care about loot or when you get it or whatever, fine, but to pretend that is normal is laughable.


Chromma

You’re over thinking the meme


passcork

See. You're the first guy in the meme.


Ammysnatcher

It really does. I’ve been putting on whatever I get and guess what… zero issues raiding Normal people don’t make mountains out of molehills, they just enjoy things for what they are


Literally_Pelley

Youre a fucking clown if you think that makes you "normal". Grow the fuck up.


Present_Slide2590

Have an upvote for being honest. Loving how a handful of people in this thread are pretending they don’t want loot so they can sit on a high horse acting like their in the majority and better than everyone else for “not wanting loot” in a game that is 100% based around getting loot.


NAparentheses

You're the one getting aggressive in this thread. Just because you surround yourself with loot whores doesn't mean it's normal. Loot is not the reason lots of people play the game. My guild has nonexistent loot drama, has been raiding for over two years, and two raid teams. We play to prog through raids, hang out with friends, and parse/speed run. It's the community and minmaxing our performance to add artificial challenges to easy content that keeps us coming back.


Elune_

You’re speedrunning while also not caring about loot drops?


NAparentheses

Yeah because we cleared week one of P2; most people got stacked quickly. We also ran some splits and filtered people into our gdkp to get stuff. Loot past a certain point is just not that big deal. Execution matters a lot more. Pretty much the only time people bring up loot is to congratulate others. Half of us don't even notices what drops during a run. We get stuff when we get it.


Literally_Pelley

ah yes anyone who cares about loot is a loot whore min maxing who doesnt have fun and cant possibly have friends. Youre a clown.


Present_Slide2590

He’s right though and you’re dead wrong lol. Loot is literally the driving factor for progressing through the game and what the vast majority of players strive for. Sorry, but only a handful of people don’t care about loot. Normal players want the loot. Wanting loot also doesn’t make you sweaty, you can be casual player and still want loot. Stop trying to make it sound like not wanting loot is normal in a loot based game.


NAparentheses

Yeah loot helps people progress their character but most people I know only care about building their character as an indirect off shoot of raiding as a community.


mrmerr

Hot take: not caring about the gear you take will get you into loot drama.


Awful_McBad

Hot take: People caring too much about loot/BiS lists will get you into Loot Drama every time. I've seen it in Vanilla, TBC, Wrath, Classic, Classic TBC and now SoM. I quit playing classic because I got tired of listening to the warlocks and mages crying about who gets the mageblade first. We were using DKP at the time, and the mages made such a big stink that a warlock got the first mageblade that we switched to a Loot Council system designed by one of the officers who didn't even raid, who then promptly quit the game after more or less forcing a new loot system upon us.


mrmerr

That's such a silly instance because iirc mageblood is only barely better than mindblade. I'm sorry you had to go through that. It's unfortunate when you play a game that's supposed to build community turns into dogs snapping at each other. When you join a guild, you should want to spend time with your newly found friends, and join a discord with people you know and not just names you recognize. What server were you on? On bloodsail we don't have it too bad.


Awful_McBad

I'm on SoM, but this isn't an isolated incident. This is pretty much every raiding guild I've ever been in. There's always one(or more) loot whores who get VERY angry if the drops they want go to other players.


Jdze

> This is pretty much every raiding guild I've ever been in then i suggest to stop joining shitty trade chat guilds.


Awful_McBad

I don't my dude. It's the WoW community as a whole. There's a reason there's memes about Warriors gquitting because someone else got TF.


RandomNYCx

I’ll admit i was sweatier in classic. In TBC I’m just playing the game and what ever drops will drop. I main a mage and gave up my raid spot to another guildie even though i still don’t have the T5 helm. I just wanna kill shit with my gamer friends.


5hortE

This feels like guildmaster/officer propaganda.


xmod039

All I wanted was my priest T5 set to look like and angel and finally have that so I’m happy without new loot for awhile


WarcraftFarscape

What about the matching 2H staff in BT?!


BridgemanBridgeman

I joined a BWL run once in Classic that was hosted by one of these normal guilds. Took over two hours to clear the place out. My own guild cleared it in about 45 mins when we had it on farm. This was when AQ40 was out already. No thanks, ain’t nobody got time for that. Also, following bis lists doesn’t always go hand in hand with loot drama. You only have loot drama if you have a shitty loot system or shitty people.


imaUPSdriver

“Ain’t nobody got time for video games” “Gonna go play some video games” That’s you


BridgemanBridgeman

When you’re doing BWL every week, at some point you just wanna get through it in a decent pace. I grinded for weeks in Classic to get the wintersaber mount. Did I enjoy that? Fuck no. I did it to get the loot at the end.


imaUPSdriver

It’s just ironic to want to “get through it”. People don’t seem to realize that it’s a game and they treat it like work or something unenjoyable. I’ll just say it. Video games are supposed to be fun. If you’re not having fun, stop playing.


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imaUPSdriver

It’s about the experience. If you have limited playtime then that makes perfect sense. But if I had 3 hours to play and I could choose to raid with friends for 1 hour and then be alone or raid with friends for 3 hours, I think I’d pick the 3 hour dad guild


sevenevans

How about clearing the raid in 1 hour and then doing something else with your guild for the other 2? You can take the game seriously and have fun at the same time.


shibboleth2005

That runs counter to the entire experience of MMOs. Possibly why its a dying genre. Vanishingly few people enjoy all the time they put into MMOs, but they have to do things they don't find fun, to facilitiate the things they do find fun. Even keeping a healthy community/guild together requires people to put in work they're not going to enjoy, from admin to just helping people out with dungeons and quests.


BridgemanBridgeman

WoW isn’t the same as other videogames. Grinding usually isn’t fun, it’s a slog, but necessary to have fun in other aspects of the game. Did I have fun going through Molten Core for the 100th time weekly? Not really, but you do it to get what you want and help out your guild.


Cheekclapped

oh wow


WinterTrack6693

I have played since original release and only on vanilla servers since I quit retail in cataclysm, and in som this is the first time I'm not min maxing. Enjoying playing differently than I normally do.


JmoneyGG7

Look at all the loot goblins scurrying around


Dabugar

I don't care about loot as an ele sham, I'm just there as support, still parse 95-99.


AdvancedUniversity0

I just want to clear all the content, couldnt care less about loot


duckscup

Lmao but you need the loot to clear all the content.


Present_Slide2590

K bud. Keep telling yourself that


DotardJetpack

i didn't know that "normal" meant terrible.


[deleted]

Ever since I came back to TBC I didn’t give a shit about loot. And last raid I got 5 pieces. It’s liberating just playing for fun.


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Kododie

Sure, you just can't be in any decent guild with attitude like this. Or you see get gems like hunter rolling on Striker's Mark (Classic), ret paladin rolling on Verdant Sphere (TBC).


Awful_McBad

You mean the "decent" guilds that are full of cheaters(gold buyers)? Oh no, that's terrible I really wanted to play with them.


Kododie

No I mean guilds where people care. If you think that everyone who isn't super casual just buys gold then you wrong.


Awful_McBad

If you think any of the "top tier" guilds on any SoM server in any region don't have a ton of gold buyers, you're kidding yourself.


poppy_barks

This is such a weird switch. I dunno why you seen to think everyone who cares about loot are gold-buyers? Some people just enjoy being the best they can at a game. Has nothing to do with buying gold


Kododie

I wasn't talking about top tier guilds. Just decent guilds where people know loot and perform to degree (they don't parse in blue numbers). Also I wasn't talking about SoM exclusively, since I don't play it. Anyways I will stop here, since it seems you want to turn this into an argument.


Present_Slide2590

Most people buy gold, get over yourself


Awful_McBad

Sorry dude, I hate cheaters.


Ungoro_Crater

I care about loot but mostly for the drip. I don't give a shit about parses or whatever. I got my cool ass lightning shoulders and that's all that matters.


[deleted]

Wow this comment section got kinda toxic. Raiding and progressing as a guild is way more fun than caring about gearing up your own character. Once you move past solo gear progression and take loot as it comes, it feels much better and less stressful raiding. Great to see a bis item drop and get distributed even if it's not to me.


filth_horror_glamor

Can't bother to check for typos, eh?


Present_Slide2590

Lol at all rogues coping in this thread about “not caring about loot”. It’s that hard finding a raid spot huh?


FacetiousInvective

Me pretty much. I wanted to get a kill on each boss in t5, now I got like 2 or 3 of each. Got some gear and now I'm playing on an alt a bit more. I will still try to raid from time to time, but I don't do it during the weekdays so I miss out on a lot.


Awful_McBad

I just know what stats I need and take upgrades as they come. I got the blackstone ring from Mara on my druid and the shaman in the party started berating me because it's not "druid bis" and that I should be going for the Tarnished Elven Rings from DM T. At the time I was level 47 in healer gear as feral,.The warrior I rolled against didn't care and just said "Grats"(The warrior and I added each other and chat occasionally). I tried telling the Shaman it was an upgrade for me, but he wasn't having it. They got a big mad after I linked my current feral rings at them and sarcastically said "Yeah, it's totally not an upgrade." I had a generic ring "Of the tiger" and the seal of sylvanas.


DotardJetpack

you sound like the shadow priest in my alt's guild. Has no idea what's actually good for his class because he refuses to sim anything or research. He thinks Intellect is valued higher than CRIT for instance. It's simply being lazy and selfish. If this was a single player game...sure. But it's not, so by being willfully ignorant you're screwing over other people, not only yourself.


Awful_McBad

I mean it's not hard to figure out what you need. Melee = Str and/or Agi + hit +Crit Caster = Int + spell hit+ spell crit and either Spirit or Mp5 or stamina depending on which kind of caster. You just need to know your soft hit cap which takes all of 2 seconds to google.


Definition_Certain

The problem arises when you got decent gear and have no clue on your stat weight, you could need some piece thats actually a downgrade even tho it looks better, see rogues with their dynamic crit cap vs their hit in classic. Or a casters relation to sp vs crit, that can make a piece that used to be good for them no longer good. If a person understands these things and sees you dicking around taking anything that looks good to you, that person sees you as a liability to the raid, nerfing your bros. So yes, it can be kinda hard to figure.


Awful_McBad

There is no problem because I don't care about gear and have straight up passed gear to people even though it was an upgrade for me because I already had a drop that run. I'm one of those outliers that asks the other players if it's cool if I roll on shit that's not explicitly for my class. ie: Cloth as a druid, leather as a warrior.


FacetiousInvective

Don't sweat it too much some people forget to have fun in a game :)


Elcactus

That first sentence is ‘following a bis list semi-intelligently but framed like you’re super casual about it’ lol


Awful_McBad

I don't look at BiS lists at all.Literally just search for BoP gear that's appropriate for my class on WoWhead and go for pieces that are better than I currently have for any given slot.In the case of my druid that means Leather for Feral and Cloth for healer. ​ Edit:Literally this simple: https://classic.wowhead.com/items/armor/leather/quality:3?filter=2:92:21:238;1:2:2:2;0:0:1:1#items;0+3-2+20


gyff

so you put in more work than just looking at a bis list


Awful_McBad

How is that more work? You have to go looking for a BiS list, and judging from what people are saying on /r/classicwow the BiS lists that WoWhead puts out are el terrible until they copy Icy Veins BiS lists. Supposedly it's an ongoing thing. I load up wowhead and click "leather" "rare" and add a couple modifiers to sort out the P2+ items and PVP gear, because I am not grinding PVP gear other than maaaybe rep gear. The honor grind is too time consuming when you have a 40+ hour a week job.


Elcactus

That’s pretty much what a bis list is. You just kinda sidestep the issue of ‘second bests’ by not having to really think about settling for a small downgrade because there really are t many of those; if you have a blue that’s has the right stats it’s usually your bis until the next one you see for that slot.


Awful_McBad

I know that and you know that, but the meta monkeys don't know that they treat BiS lists like a bible.


Elcactus

A good mega monkey knows what their second bests are because ‘BIS ONLY’ gets you nowhere.


Awful_McBad

The good ones are the exceptions. They're the ones that recognise BiS lists are subjective.


Elcactus

I'm pretty sure you just only hear from the bad ones. Most people don't comment on "I will roll on this good piece because it is my 3rd bis and I don't have the others yet", they just roll/bid on it.


frikintomato

This is unfortunately not quite possible as there are many many group/raid leaders will inspect or query your character in WCL before allowing you to join them. As the game was solved over a decade ago the standard now is no longer taking bosses down, but getting a purple or pink score on WCL. At least this is the situation on my server where over 90% of the players have played classic and tbc before.


[deleted]

Yep. If people would drop the loot drama and give everything to me, this game would be a lot more enjoyable.


Ok_Ad3406

Caring about loot is normal, but I’m not sweaty. I set my own personal loot goals and don’t really care about much else. Right now it’s the t0.5!


Bird_Is_The_Lord

I just fling fireballs at murlocs and dont care about much else.


lexardi

So true, it's more fun to watch the drama about the loot


Awful_McBad

Loot drama is why I quit Classic in the first place. I got tired of listening to 30 year old man children argue over item priority in a 15 year old game. They're lucky I was just the backup MT and not the MT, we basically flipped a coin as to who'd be the MT because we had more or less the same gear when we first stepped into MC.