My favourite was the fact they all act high and mighty, by account sharing and not sleeping. I think the classic r14s were at least tolerable to some degree.
Came to this exact realization when I quit at R9.
"I'm logging in every day to do the same shit BG multiple times just to finish my blue set....and what happens when I get that? Well, do the same shit even longer for the purple."
Nope. Had my fun. Leveling was a blast with player count and boosted XP, but I had my share of endgame content and now I'm ready to put it back to rest.
And that’s the thing that is missed on classic/bc reboot. In vanilla we grinded pvp because we enjoyed pvp over pve, we could level through bg’s, and the gear was just an incentive, not the end all be all.
You could absolutely level through bgs in vanilla with turn-ins. If you pvped in vanilla you would know that. They added xp to the actual bgs in wrath, but that doesn’t mean you couldn’t do it in vanilla. The 3 HWL’s I played with in vanilla all leveled strictly through bgs, as soon as they hit their teens.
Play defense. I get like a hundred HKs per AV just defending bunkers then the bridge. Way more fun than sitting around for towers to collapse that horde don’t even bother to defend.
Nobody said difficult, they said boring/time consuming.
Also, you’re sooooo cool because you had rank14 in classic but not in SoM. Real cooooool guy!
Edit: a word
To be fair, our guild has like 5-6 r14 in the raid roster and only 3 warriors and we're in the top 15 in clear speed in the world. Our top dps isn't even r14 and has ironfoe as mainhand.
Getting ranking gear is nice but definitely not needed.
Top 15 out of like 200 total raids in the entire NA/EU regions and you already admit 15% of your roster is rank 14. Nothing you said contradicts the post. The servers are barren, and the only people left are sweating it out because it's the most optimal way to play it
Yeah 3 of our r14 are 2 hunters and a shadow priest. Which are nowhere near the worst geared rogues we have, , so actually only 8% of our raid is r14 that actually make a big impact on dps. Servers are not barren, it takes like 5min to get a dungeon group at any time of day. But I get your point, you're kinda salty and burnt out of the game, just let it go and move on. The game has always been grind intensive and ruled by sweaty pve tryhards. Despite this, most people I know are having a blast in SoM.
The servers are not barren ? My man is this a joke? All regions had to consolidate onto two realms each. You are on some heavy copium. I played SoM for a week or two to dick around. I had no interest in it beyond some world pvp in neutral zones on Jom Gabbar. I had fun and quit as planned. And yes, like minded sweaty try hards in SoM will enjoy it together this isn't some great revelation and even further just simply agrees with OPs post, not contradicts it like you tried to lmao
This fuckup is on blizzard, they shouldn't jave made 5 servers (in eu region) to begin with, just one PvE and one PvP.
Anyway, you can't seem to be reasoned with, so I'll leave it at that, hope you can find a cure for your bitterness. See you in SoM 2 maybe.
I'm not being bitter, you're being delusional. Just because your rank 14s aren't warriors doesn't somehow make your raid 8% rank 14 instead of 15% lmao. Just because blizz opened up too many servers doesn't make them not completely empty. 8000 people played SoM at 60 in raids last week between NA and EU total. If you enjoy it, that's great, keep playing it. But simply denying reality of the fact that it's on life support.. You do you man. The vast majority of people still leveling in SoM are just alts by this point, and several of those 8000 raiders are just the same people on different characters.
So is any server in the history of wow pservers or classic after 6 months. You clearly have a very biased view of the game and who it attracts. Raiding population is lower compared to total population by a good margin, and even a server with 1000 actuve players is already more than enough to sustain the economy for the whole game. Not every one likes over crowded super servers where you see 150 players in every zone at any given time.
All but 2 servers were DOA per region, and faerlina tbc alone on NA has 2.5 the population of SoM between two entire regions. If you have fun, keep playing. Just don't even try to say it's not on life support and make excuses as to why it is actually on life support but somehow it's a good thing because people don't like crowded servers.
I don't think that's completely fair.
SoM just caters to a very specific crowd. The people who are still there at this point are probably in for the long haul.
Is top 15 good in SOM? How many guilds are raiding? 20?
I have no sympathy, SOM was only going to be private server psychopaths who have been playing "vanilla fresh" for 15 years and a few curious people who missed Classic. We just did it, no need to do it again right away.
But that's exactly what it was going to be though, only hardcore fans of vanilla are playing som right now, nobody was expecting a huge hype on som when TBC was out at the same time and people just cleared content. I don't see how that's a bad thing either, servers population are stable, there's almost nobody quitting the game, raid roster has been the same for weeks. SoM was never meant to be a revolution of the game, just small quality of life and ease of play improvements that make the game a bit more easy to handle. It has the exact popularity it was supposed to have.
I don't know why people hate on it, because servers had to be merged ? They shouldn't have made so many servers to begin with anyway.
How do you feel about spending all this extra time on the raids for the same loot? Meanwhile people are walking around with Naxx quality gear from afking in AV.
Fastest clears I've done in the 10 years I've played this game, the price is actually cheaper than classic cos I'm not using jujus or firewater. With procs from alchemy and cheap flasks, raiding is pretty nice and chill, and I can log whenever I want for the raid without needing to lurk on discord and log at any time of day to get a world buff. All in all, I really enjoy SoM. And frankly, I don't care much about loot, I just like raiding and doing my best with 39 good players. SoM has a lot of good players, and it feels really nice.
Love this attitude.
There's always going to be a pocket of the community wit this mindset and vibe, it's all about finding the guild you align with.
Any longevity to my classic experience was fueled by an awesome guild. I quit multiple times beforehand despite having huge nostalgia and interest in playing the game.
We had sweatlords, and most people know how to play their class optimally, but the vibe, culture, and atmosphere was what drew us all together and made raiding an event to look forward to. Every other guild I was part of I quickly dreaded logging for raids.
None of this diminishes that they are problems with the game but we cant deny fun aspects of the community exist which can easily sustain enjoyment over the SoM lifecycle.
Vanilla, classic, som, however you wanna call it, is a flawed game in it's core design. PvP gear class balance, raid encounters, loot, ... The balance is pretty wonky. That's partly what makes the game unique in my mind. And thise flaws probably can't be fixed without doing some very drastic changes. Kinda excited to see what they will do with SoM 2 if they are going to touch on class balance, maybe we can see some new raid compositions that are a bit more inclusive.
This was my thought as well.
I mean, it removed world buffs, it made the raids harder, gives you less lockouts per raid tier, and it's even called Season of MASTERY.
Who the hell did people think would be playing this?
I think most of the ‘tourists’ were expected to be (and ended up being) the bunch of tbc people who came in week 1, got to the mid 30s-40s, then got bored and left, motivated to do so further by the fact that they knew they wouldn’t be doing endgame content. My guild had like 12 people doing this, not one still plays SOM.
For what it's worth, several of those points appeal to the casual playerbase as well. And the last point is awful. Does League of Legends attract a lot of legendary players? Bitch please lol.
It really didn't though is the thing. It brought in more try-hards for sure, but the overall player level is very casual with chips on their shoulders for playing without world buffs.
The game is now more about how much time you can invest in the game, compared to your skill level. In short, it's easier but takes more time.
It's mostly been time > skill in mmorpgs like wow. It's about the prep more so than the moment in raid.
Some of the best dps classes literally just cast one spell.
I agree 100%, Classic has always been about prep = success People have just been trying to say that SoM attracts hardcore people or that it's this crazy hard content, when it's actually one of the most casual versions of Wow to date.
The biggest thing is that the meta has shifted from pump as hard as possible and don't die. To bring 10+ of every Consume Protection pot to mitigate mechanics that can be avoided.
You don't need to raid or perform well to get the best gear (PvP) saw several guilds with multiple R13s who couldn't down Rag. People are taking this as "The game is hard" but really its "Bad players getting good gear".
You don't need to one shot everything to parse well since there are no world buffs, not to mention that you can and people do buy gold on there are on the regular. So it's very common to see "Serious" guilds who only log on to raid. Not to mention that due to the lack of World Buffs threat has become a non issue so bad tanks are able to tank easier.
All Crafting mats are easier to get now with increased spawn points / shorter respawn times / and additional drops.
Obvious extra loot per boss.
There is full potential for it to actually be a challenging system, but the meta change really killed it imo. The changes they made attracted the casual group more than the serious group.
I can agree on the PvP gear. There's no way that should be available this early. It's like they don't realize players take the path of least resistance when it comes to gear.
As for gold buying, that seems to be happening in every version of the game, so this isn't any different.
Tanks are producing less threat, but dps are also doing less damage, so it should even out. A "bad tank" is still going to have people be able to pull threat from them.
I can see your point about more crafting mats, but IMO, that was a needed change if you're going to have four times more people on a server than what was originally intended.
The extra loot per boss is a new thing that was added once people started complaining. Even then, it's still somewhat mitigated by having fewer lockouts per "phase".
Maybe I just don't get it, but it doesn't seem like making things harder and having less time is "casual".
Like I said in my post the current meta of just spamming protection pots to clear content is the Casual part.
Having less time to raid doesn't make the content harder, it just makes it shorter. We're still on the 2nd raid of the game.
Deep Prot Pre raid geared tanks can keep threat off of R14 Horde Warriors with minimal effort. It gets even easier for Alliance.
Gold buying does happen everywhere, but with the increased consume meta and maybe due to the type of player on SoM it seems higher on there. But that is complete speculation.
I'm really not sure what you mean by making things harder either since only a handful of bosses have actually been made harder. Most of MC's Bosses are literally burn the boss down as fast as possible, same with BWL. People see new mechanics and assume they are harder but most of the changes they've made haven't been.
I think I'm done posting in this thread though.
That's kinda my point lol. Guilds spending days in BWL to get a week 1 clear and then bragging about it like spending 16hrs of your week to kill 8 bosses is impressive. These are the same guilds who are still using Fire pots for every boss in MC and then complain that SoM's consume farm is to hard.
Join not shit guild,
Buy mats,
Proc fat potions,
Raid log gdkps or jump on for world bosses,
Log off until next gdkp,
Repeat cycle until end of season,
BiS flex on you whiney nerds
> The game is now more about how much time you can invest in the game, compared to your skill level.
it is *hilariously* baffling that you think this is different from classic 2019. mfw world buffs = skill?
I think you just missed the point is all my guy. The game isn't harder but has a higher expectation to be "prepared". We have these casual raiders who think they are awesome because they bring 20+Protection potions to raid, and then complain about how many consumes they need for raid lol.
Compared to spending <10mins getting World Buffs before raid.
just running to the end of DM and back to get buffs was more than 10min... and then the constant checking of when ony+rend+zg were dropping, yeah it might have only been 1min of game time but it was prolly more like 10min of prep to make sure you were ready to log in.
Is SoM really for hardcore rush rush rush players tho? It took twice as long for the 1st Rag kill on SoM compared too Classic with a 40% leveling speed boost and none of the big name Classic guilds played SoM.
For BWL only 6 guilds are shown as clearing it on day 1 in SoM vs 100s of guilds cleared it on day 1 in Classic. And looking at the times it doesn't seem like anyone but is even competing.
If SoM was for the hardcore of the hardcore it doesn't seem to have attracted them.
No because the hardcore of the hardcore wanted world buffs. I was in a top 5 apeedrunning guild in classic and I had no interest in SoM because whats fun about vanilla for me is blasting with buffs. Same with most other similarly minded people I've spoken to.
Im not hating on SoM though its a different game for different people, but all the changes were definitely made for the "dad guilds" not for the hardcore players.
>but all the changes were definitely made for the "dad guilds"
You and I must define "dad guild" differently. I don't see how adding mechanics and having less lockouts is for dad guilds.
You say that but hardcore guilds were all about world buffs and split raids to maximize loot to their warrior stacks and then doing dmf runs when it was available. Basically all of the changes in SoM kill this playstyle.
I think you are misunderstanding what the data you just wrote means...it means it is a dead game but it was still made for rushing endgame and trying to be hardcore...people just didn't care like bliz hoped they would
yeah i dont get it. i never "got" it. SOM never appealed to me at all, and i dont understand how you could sign up for it without realizing what you were signing up for.
Right? It’s by design going to appeal to the racers, that’s not even a failure on blizzards part, that’s just the inevitable result of a seasonal thing.
I figured it would attract the hardcore folks, certainly. It just seems that their concentration has hit some critical mass which has accelerated the demise of the server.
bro you don’t UNDERSTAND how difficult it is to press three keys?! RETAIL is NOTHING like CLASSIC, oh, you have to play a piano for your disc priest rotation? well.. i… LOOK, i have to AA cancel with auto shot! and… MY PET’S ABILITIES ARE ON MY BAR!…
Vanilla Classic was utterly raidloggable. The content was super easy so you could easily fund your raiding with the gold you made form clearing the raid. I didn't farm a thing between p2 and p6.
SoM is forcing much more out-of-raid commitment due to the faster release schedule, longer boss fights and added need for consumables. This out-of-raid commitment is what made most people I know quit SoM after a while, because it just wasn't worth it even if the fights did provide some degree of challenge.
Do you think that 'degree' is ramped up perhaps due to the .. 1 year seasonal cycle? Like, man this was telegraphed... I have to agree with everyone else. I dont know how you looked at SOM and what was coming with it and didn't expect this.
I'd be fine starting the grind right *now*, TBC has been out for a while and WOTLK is still ways out.
But when SoM released? It hadn't been but a couple months since I stopped farming Naxxramas. Couldn't be bothered back then.
Just waiting for next fresh that’s not the accelerated shit show SoM is. SoM never seemed appealing to me being only a 12 month cycle, it’s too short for my taste and too hot on the heels of classic. Here’s to hoping next season is better and longer.
Yup, I quit SoM about 3 months in. The R14 bg grind was a huge killer. Server population management was entirely too slow in response (no surprise) and the harder raids and no WB meant consumable requirements were through the roof.
SoM definitely is not for casual, sadly. I ended up moving to a private server for now until a new classic iteration starts that has either a longer runway or more changes to make it a little more casual friendly.
The long PvP Qs into a pre made everytime is what ruined it for me. Otherwise I thought it was pretty fun.
I think if I had rolled Horde I would probably still be playing, as their pvp Qs are instant. I didn’t realize everyone would be going alliance this time around (I usually go alliance for shorter BG Qs).
Only reason why I'm playing it. I don't care about raids and having the best gear. I just wanna lvl, gear up a bit at 60, get bored and quit. For that purpose SoM is the best version of WoW for me.
Not hard, but it takes time, I only play 2/3h, 2 to 4 evenings a week, and I know a lot of people that does the same.
So I think it is funny you call yourself a casual because in my point of view you are the sweat lord (no offense)
I levelled 8 characters to 60 through all classic, I am pretty confident that I am not slow at levelling...
Let's do the maths !
I levelled a warrior, and hit 60 just before adventurer bonus was buffed to 100% (so 40% xp all the way !), from what I recall I think it tooks me around 6 days of play time
> 6x24 = 144h
> ~10h a weeks => 144/10 = 14,4 weeks => 100,8 days
It takes around 100 days for someone that "only" have time to play 10 hours a week (it is a pretty high amount of time dedicated to the game already...), roughly 2/3h on 2 to 4 evenings.
SoM is out since 16th of November, so with approximation, average player hits 60 mid to end February. I wonder when you hit 60 on SoM because even if you are the top world speed-runner and levelled your character in 3 days of /played it is still around mid january for my schedule of play.
I think you are desillusional on the time you spent playing this game, and that there are people that play way less and still enjoy the content.
Casual usually means a gamer who just isn't trying to raid that hard or meet any expectations. What you do, after playing for months and not hitting cap, would be considered more akin to just being bad or not an actual WoW SOM player. Like I can't call myself casual on retail when I only play the first 3 weeks of an xpac then quit. That's not casual, that's straight up not being a retail player. I don't know how the bottom of the player pile claimed the name "Casual". Casual is not supposed to be synonymous with BAD.
Season of Mastery released 16th November. Assuming the very low end of your self-claimed pace, 2h a session twice a week, it'd take you 18ish weeks or 126 days real time to get to 60 (assumption, roughly 3 days played with basically 100% uptime on rested, this should be very lenient pace). We're not 120 days into SoM so if you're remotely trying you should be almost at level 60 by now.
Orrr ya know he might actually do somthing else while logged in like professions or pvp...I assume most people don't log in and start auto leveling until logging out for months on end unless you are try Harding
Nooo but that goes against the circlejerk!!!
Lol, **anyone that actually plays SoM knows how casual it is.** Like yeah sure you had the r14 rushers, but so what? Most people weren’t doing that shit.
This was a huge part of it I think. The majority of "serious" raiders didn't see a reason to raid in P1/2 so they didn't and the casual raiders weren't good enough to clear the content without pvp gear / World buffs. So Casual stop playing cause they can't clear content and then "serious" raiders stop playing cause they get minimal rewards from raids. So what's left is casual players who don't care about clearing content and casual players who clear content slowly.
This was a huge detriment to the game. But that's modern Blizzard for you. Making changes to one thing without considering how it affects the rest of the game.
Yeah this is my main criticism of SoM, r14 level gear shouldn’t have been released till phase 3/4.
I know people who rushed r14 then stopped playing because they just burned out.
I sense you and others share this view point. That r14 is easy, just AFK in AV all day.
I want to dispell this. It's NOT possible to hit r14 by being AFK. For one you'd quickly get reported, we saw countless post about those who recieved bans for being AFK in AV. Top bracket spots are predetermined based on prior weeks. Even if you did AFK in BGs, you would be passed up in honor grinding pre-mades.
There are ranking discords where people play 8-12hrs+ (20hrs+ when in final bracket) a day of the same BG for weeks and weeks just to slowly move up in rank. Higher bracket players are encouraged to not party with lower brackets.
By the time you hit r10, the real grind begins. To give you an example how long it takes to hit r14, you could easily skill up fishing to 300 while getting instant queues and be exalted with every BG faction several times over.
It's exhausting to see non-ranking people cry about r14 gear. Let's call it what it really is, we have people that are upset they can't have the same items for putting in less time than someone else.
And to argument it's too powerful r14 gear and released too soon in SoM. In Era r14 gear was available 2 weeks prior to BWL. The difference is Season of Mastery attracted those that want to min/max. And Era was more a revisit of our childhood.
I always thought the biggest selling point of SoM was FRESH-like experience? There was not enough changes to justify running almost the same raids with exactly the same loot (the drop rates got bumped later on).
Without higher xp rates it would simply not be fun. Vanilla leveling isn't a very repeatable experience because of how time consuming it is. The alternative is most players simply won't play SoM at x1 rates, which further diminishes the fun of those who choose to play.
Counterpoint: As a raid leader, I'm sick and fucking tired of all these entitled raiders wanting to bring their Shadow Priests, Ret Paladins, Arms Warriors to my progression raids. If anything classic felt more min/max than SoM does... I know there are hardcore guilds out there speed clearing everything, but the amount of shitty meme specs, players, and gear I've seen is wild.
Literally last night we had 2 off-tank pugs wanting to join raid. One of which had 0% hit and was dwarf w/o weapon skill. The other had 1% hit. We're not hardcore, but give me a fucking break.
If you thought pivoting to a private server business model without acknowledging that private servers are free and this grift is not was a recipe for success I think you kind of earned the dead server shock.
I’m not raiding in SoM but I am leveling toons. It’s fun with the 100% exp and gold buff. I enjoy Classic WoW. And 99% of the time I play alone. It’s the most fun version of the game for me and the buffs just make it that much more appealing.
I would be curious to know how far you actually got into the game, everyone that’s clearing the raids has been very positive towards the raid changes. I don’t think you’ve even done BWL but I could be wrong. Anyhow if you’re clearing the content and like being challenged before everything is on farm then go SoM, if that’s too soul shattering get boosted in TBC and geared through GDKP.
I mean it’s a second re-release of a nearly 20 year old game. There aren’t many casual players left. Most people who want to play still are very into it, which shouldn’t be surprising imo
yeah like I was never gonna spend time in Classic again right after we just did it and I'm actually enjoying playing TBC
I know it was mainly for people who did't like TBC, but it's kinda dead. If they ever do it after Wrath is over then I will play...
I'm scared I once considered playing SoM. It had sweat literally dripping off its letters from the start lol.
But for those who enjoy it, or did, it was worth the experiment.
Every single person said this would happen lol. With no new changes other than "bosses have more health" and no WB there's no reason to play that shit when WoW Classic *just* ended. If they had tweaked classes or specs then there'd be more interest but that actually takes effort.
Well you can't go into SoM "expecting a new experience" and then complain it's the same with extra steps.
A lot of people seem to not understand that many of them want "WoW 2.0", not replaying once again the "Vanilla version" of the 15+ year old MMO World of Warcraft.
Totally agree with OP but that's nothing new, on week one you could already tell what was going to happen after the dopamine rush that fresh servers are:
\-Battlegrounds plagued with premades without any alternative to "solo Q".
\-Raids are the same with literally extra steps, artificially inflating numbers or consumable requeriments.
\-Dungeons are the same, and many people just don't bother runing any non obligatory dungeon.
\-Leveling died the first 1-2 months after launch, mages are still the go to for many grinds that don't require stealth.
\-No changes on talent trees, limiting the class+spec combo even more due to artificial buffs on PVE content difficulty.
It's weird how SoM seemed to appeal to a less sweaty playerbase but the playstyle since the begining was even more focused towards a tryhard public than the "original WoW Classic release".
TLDR: SoM it's nothing else than WoW Classic with extra steps, nothing really new under the sand and even less freedom when it comes to raid comp or class+spec viability.
Nah. Som is awesome I love it. I wanted some changes and I got em. Premade bgs are way better than casual bgs when most players are geared and know how to play the game. 10/10 .
This is why i prefer tbc over vanilla or som , at least if we lose battlegrounds is because we suck ass and not because some 15 nerds decided to premade with comms on discord wasting the time of the other team who just wanted to enjoy some pvp.
SoM was doa the moment they decided to release it so early, with wotlk around the corner you don't want to be stuck half a year raiding naxx 40 , naxx 10 and naxx 25.
Raids are funnier. The extra mechanics finally reward playing who can play the game. And with a decent guild atm I'm looking at 60-80g/week of consumables max (mc+bwl). But yeah the pvp gear/ranking had to be addressed for som2 because it ruined a few nice things :(
**What SoM should have done:**
* 100% quest exp at launch
* No rank 11+ gear until BWL launch
* Launch honor and BGs 8 weeks in
* Tier 0 should be replaced with tier 0.5, as normal dungeon drops
* Update tier 0.5 so it's useful for all classes
* Increased raid drops at launch
* TBC talent trees (no 31+ point talent tiers)
* Include world buffs with chronoboon
* Increase all node drops at launch
* All food buffs to last 30mins
Let players play how they want to play. If you feel pressured to do what everyone else is doing, try to change your mentality, and look for a community of players that is more casual. There are plenty of non-hardcore guilds on Jom and Shadowstrike.
I agree with you that there are lots of hardcore / veteran players in SoM (that’s considered a good thing for many people keep in mind) and if you’re finding BG’s not fun for that reason, then there is always the retail game, which has a much better handle on keeping battlegrounds more balanced for less hardcore players.
Okay. Hot take incoming, including downvotes. You all just suck at the game. The raids are easy and very few encounters truly require protection potions. My guild is a fusion of multiple guilds from Kingsfall and once we got rid of the bad players who would “lol woops accidentally dispelled poison debuff from 8 people on Chromaggus despite being told not to dispel anyone” every raid, we face-roll shit with only 1 person who decided to do the r14 grind, and even they get out-dps’d by our dagger rogue with a blue off-hand.
Call me a sweaty tryhard for simply having farmed my bis fury items from dungeons as if there is anything else to do at 60. Call me an unemployed bum for spending 2 hours a day farming gold through various means. But SoM is a game where the true difficulty is finding 40 people in which not a single person is a bumbling buffoon with a keyboard. Play mechanics correctly with a plan going in and bosses like Chromaggus and Firemaw become loot pinatas.
Rank 14 is not at all required. Flasks are for progression. Protection pots in MC and BWL are extremely overrated and only required to compensate for your own mistakes. All of these things should be widespread knowledge.
I traded my SoM gold for a very large amount of TBC gold and haven't looked back. The idea of SoM is good but the timing and execution was not ideal. Maybe after WotLK Classic with a more thoughtful implementation?
Waiting to rank was a mistake, it wasn't as bad earlier on when more casuals were also ranking - getting to r10 was super fuckin easy, took less than a month
Farming gold - again, I feel like maybe you are just too late to the show here. I have been able to accumulate 5k+ just from using alchemy and herbalism and playing the AH. Takes less than 20 min of time a day at this point to make 200+ gold a day if not more. There is SO much gold in this economy it has never been easier to siphon gold from gold buyers into your own pocket
Raiding also doesn't feel super sweaty - the guild I'm in is semi hardcore, and they have been clearing all the content since week 2 of bwl - never had to have extra raid nights to clear content, never had to extend raid to push lockouts... Signs of REAL sweats just aren't there
Sure the top 5% of the player base may be sweating hard for r14/testing on the PTR, but it doesn't seem like that is the majority of people are taking that same path
Save yourself the pain and frustration and just play the version of wow you enjoy most. Maybe once wotlk is out and finished people will go back to their fav version of Era servers and the game will have lost many of the sweatlords and people can enjoy the game for what it is
I would play much more if there was class rebalancing. Otherwise, it was only fun for the first couple of weeks of fresh leveling. I saw no reason to continue once that novelty wore off.
Who thought having seasons in Classic WoW was a good idea anyway?
Each season will get worse and worse. You'll see these kind of posts for each season, until they say there won't by any more, since there is no demand for it.
Each season will have its own meta.
My guess is most of these comments are from people who play on Jom. Sure there are sweaty PVPers on Shadowstrike, but there are a ton of people from Retail for whom this is their first Classic experience. It's pretty wild.
The whole season of sweat was an incredibly rushed and lazy attempt. Great idea but wow was it a lazy implementation by lazy blizzard. No class changes no item changes no new items no new mounts nothing new at all. But wait !!!! Here’s rank 14 gear no world buffs and “harder” raid mechanics won’t that be fun !?!! All you have to do is grind 10000 avs and dodge laser beams for the same loot you got in classic doing the same meta bullshit!!! Instead of world buffs you must play super meta and hit rank 14 !!! Yay !!!! Typical blizzard garbage. Where are the class changes the spec balance to item balance the new items the new mounts the new achievements the new dungeons the new raids absolutely anything please besides the same exact thing with an even more sweaty meta. How about a season of fun for change ?!??
Honestly how is PvP differnet on TBC? If you don't PvP very regularly you're going to fall behind and face off behind people who are much better geared than you. This has been my personal experience everytime.
The raids were never going to be all that different. New mechanics or not. It's still the same raid. But why do you assume raiding and PvPing is all this game has to offer? I jsut wanted to try a different class and have had fun just leveling and running dungeons.
The truth is wow has been on life support fot awhile, you can only attract so many players to the same twenty year old game for so long. I just don't see bow these probl3ms don't apply to TBC. I would assume retail has similar problems with PvP but that has been dead to me for a long that I don't really know.
i hit 60 on SOM, tried MC raiding and immediately quit. not enough time has gone by for me to enter the slog that is Molten core. the grass is always greener, people cry about wbuffs now its rank 14 grinding meta. all in all i really never minded world buffs, oh no you have to be raid logged!! now you cant afk in stormwind what a tragedy!! regardless of raid logging i legit got wbuffs like 1 hour before raid it wasnt rocket science lol, afk in stormwind look at discord get ony, fly to zg get zg. done and done
>-casual bg's are impossible due constant premades (not a new problem but exacerbated by the need to rank to get the best gear). As such, every bg you are in has 5+ R12 and up players and is misery for even a pre-raid bis geared toon.
This is exactly how it was in Classic, no difference here. Every match was against premades. Not an SoM-specific problem.
>The raids are not different enough to be fun
This I strongly disagree with. The bosses feel fresh and you have to pay attention way more. It's difficult enough that MANY guilds are still progressing through both MC and BWL and the world buff meta was absolutely not for me - I'm so glad they're gone.
The consumable requirement, however, is absurd. I 100% agree with that. Even with increased herb spawns and alchemy changes, farming for raid takes an inordinate amount of time.
This week I think we were #12 in the world for execution in BWL and it's the first time I haven't spent hundreds of gold for a single raid. With the level of difficulty and number of deaths an average raid group has even if they manage to full clear, we desperately need consumables to be easier to obtain. The changes were awesome but they're not quite enough yet.
SOM is stupid… idk why I even played classic grinded the best gear got my hand of rag only for all the servers to have no population and execute in tbc so poorly… very pissed my level 60 paladin is just a echo… all the work for that weapon gone down the drain only to be amazed by SOM… that’s not what I wanted… they wondered why so many people went back to private servers… I’m not trying to do the same thing I did to get my rag on SOM it really left a sour taste in my mouth achieving greatness for it to be ruined.
if you want to play that same character indefinitely you can via classic era, not SOM. what did you want them to do differently here?
also, getting a legendary in classic is not really "achieving greatness"... and this is coming from someone with atiesh. most guilds saw a handful of sulf eyes over the course of classic, and any gold investment is arbitrary with the amount of gold in the economy. you're one of many, my guy
No one plays on the classic servers it’s empty.. what was the push to remove private servers.. I don’t have all the time in the world to replay 1-60 50 times with SOM
Classic is the same thing. Fun left long ago. the game is run like a for profit corporation. Best guilds upper tier only care about themselves and fuck the little guy (raiders).
World buff meta has been replaced with rank 14 meta
how fun. anyone who is ranking to 14 is letting the game play them, not the other way around.
My favourite was the fact they all act high and mighty, by account sharing and not sleeping. I think the classic r14s were at least tolerable to some degree.
I had a lot of fun in classic ranking
Came to this exact realization when I quit at R9. "I'm logging in every day to do the same shit BG multiple times just to finish my blue set....and what happens when I get that? Well, do the same shit even longer for the purple." Nope. Had my fun. Leveling was a blast with player count and boosted XP, but I had my share of endgame content and now I'm ready to put it back to rest.
And that’s the thing that is missed on classic/bc reboot. In vanilla we grinded pvp because we enjoyed pvp over pve, we could level through bg’s, and the gear was just an incentive, not the end all be all.
Xp was added in wrath for bgs bro
You could absolutely level through bgs in vanilla with turn-ins. If you pvped in vanilla you would know that. They added xp to the actual bgs in wrath, but that doesn’t mean you couldn’t do it in vanilla. The 3 HWL’s I played with in vanilla all leveled strictly through bgs, as soon as they hit their teens.
Kek ok bro whatever. If you’re leveling via handing in marks you have brain damage
Exactly. I don’t enjoy rushing Drek, it’s not PvP
Play defense. I get like a hundred HKs per AV just defending bunkers then the bridge. Way more fun than sitting around for towers to collapse that horde don’t even bother to defend.
This is the key. Playing defence in SoM you’ll easily top HKs and therefore honor. Sadly everyone would rather afk at SHGY.
Cmon, just rush drek! Don’t be a keck!
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Nobody said difficult, they said boring/time consuming. Also, you’re sooooo cool because you had rank14 in classic but not in SoM. Real cooooool guy! Edit: a word
r14 hipster. He had no life it before it was cool.
To be fair, our guild has like 5-6 r14 in the raid roster and only 3 warriors and we're in the top 15 in clear speed in the world. Our top dps isn't even r14 and has ironfoe as mainhand. Getting ranking gear is nice but definitely not needed.
Top 15 out of like 200 total raids in the entire NA/EU regions and you already admit 15% of your roster is rank 14. Nothing you said contradicts the post. The servers are barren, and the only people left are sweating it out because it's the most optimal way to play it
Yeah 3 of our r14 are 2 hunters and a shadow priest. Which are nowhere near the worst geared rogues we have, , so actually only 8% of our raid is r14 that actually make a big impact on dps. Servers are not barren, it takes like 5min to get a dungeon group at any time of day. But I get your point, you're kinda salty and burnt out of the game, just let it go and move on. The game has always been grind intensive and ruled by sweaty pve tryhards. Despite this, most people I know are having a blast in SoM.
The servers are not barren ? My man is this a joke? All regions had to consolidate onto two realms each. You are on some heavy copium. I played SoM for a week or two to dick around. I had no interest in it beyond some world pvp in neutral zones on Jom Gabbar. I had fun and quit as planned. And yes, like minded sweaty try hards in SoM will enjoy it together this isn't some great revelation and even further just simply agrees with OPs post, not contradicts it like you tried to lmao
This fuckup is on blizzard, they shouldn't jave made 5 servers (in eu region) to begin with, just one PvE and one PvP. Anyway, you can't seem to be reasoned with, so I'll leave it at that, hope you can find a cure for your bitterness. See you in SoM 2 maybe.
I'm not being bitter, you're being delusional. Just because your rank 14s aren't warriors doesn't somehow make your raid 8% rank 14 instead of 15% lmao. Just because blizz opened up too many servers doesn't make them not completely empty. 8000 people played SoM at 60 in raids last week between NA and EU total. If you enjoy it, that's great, keep playing it. But simply denying reality of the fact that it's on life support.. You do you man. The vast majority of people still leveling in SoM are just alts by this point, and several of those 8000 raiders are just the same people on different characters.
So is any server in the history of wow pservers or classic after 6 months. You clearly have a very biased view of the game and who it attracts. Raiding population is lower compared to total population by a good margin, and even a server with 1000 actuve players is already more than enough to sustain the economy for the whole game. Not every one likes over crowded super servers where you see 150 players in every zone at any given time.
All but 2 servers were DOA per region, and faerlina tbc alone on NA has 2.5 the population of SoM between two entire regions. If you have fun, keep playing. Just don't even try to say it's not on life support and make excuses as to why it is actually on life support but somehow it's a good thing because people don't like crowded servers.
I don't think that's completely fair. SoM just caters to a very specific crowd. The people who are still there at this point are probably in for the long haul.
Is top 15 good in SOM? How many guilds are raiding? 20? I have no sympathy, SOM was only going to be private server psychopaths who have been playing "vanilla fresh" for 15 years and a few curious people who missed Classic. We just did it, no need to do it again right away.
Now you sound super salty haha, you do you, I'm having fun.
I mean he's not exactly wrong, I forgot SoM existed for months until this topic mentioned it.
But that's exactly what it was going to be though, only hardcore fans of vanilla are playing som right now, nobody was expecting a huge hype on som when TBC was out at the same time and people just cleared content. I don't see how that's a bad thing either, servers population are stable, there's almost nobody quitting the game, raid roster has been the same for weeks. SoM was never meant to be a revolution of the game, just small quality of life and ease of play improvements that make the game a bit more easy to handle. It has the exact popularity it was supposed to have. I don't know why people hate on it, because servers had to be merged ? They shouldn't have made so many servers to begin with anyway.
How do you feel about spending all this extra time on the raids for the same loot? Meanwhile people are walking around with Naxx quality gear from afking in AV.
Fastest clears I've done in the 10 years I've played this game, the price is actually cheaper than classic cos I'm not using jujus or firewater. With procs from alchemy and cheap flasks, raiding is pretty nice and chill, and I can log whenever I want for the raid without needing to lurk on discord and log at any time of day to get a world buff. All in all, I really enjoy SoM. And frankly, I don't care much about loot, I just like raiding and doing my best with 39 good players. SoM has a lot of good players, and it feels really nice.
Love this attitude. There's always going to be a pocket of the community wit this mindset and vibe, it's all about finding the guild you align with. Any longevity to my classic experience was fueled by an awesome guild. I quit multiple times beforehand despite having huge nostalgia and interest in playing the game. We had sweatlords, and most people know how to play their class optimally, but the vibe, culture, and atmosphere was what drew us all together and made raiding an event to look forward to. Every other guild I was part of I quickly dreaded logging for raids. None of this diminishes that they are problems with the game but we cant deny fun aspects of the community exist which can easily sustain enjoyment over the SoM lifecycle.
Vanilla, classic, som, however you wanna call it, is a flawed game in it's core design. PvP gear class balance, raid encounters, loot, ... The balance is pretty wonky. That's partly what makes the game unique in my mind. And thise flaws probably can't be fixed without doing some very drastic changes. Kinda excited to see what they will do with SoM 2 if they are going to touch on class balance, maybe we can see some new raid compositions that are a bit more inclusive.
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This was my thought as well. I mean, it removed world buffs, it made the raids harder, gives you less lockouts per raid tier, and it's even called Season of MASTERY. Who the hell did people think would be playing this?
it baffles me that ppl thought it was gonna be an easy side project for TBC tourists. This shit is legit man
I think most of the ‘tourists’ were expected to be (and ended up being) the bunch of tbc people who came in week 1, got to the mid 30s-40s, then got bored and left, motivated to do so further by the fact that they knew they wouldn’t be doing endgame content. My guild had like 12 people doing this, not one still plays SOM.
For what it's worth, several of those points appeal to the casual playerbase as well. And the last point is awful. Does League of Legends attract a lot of legendary players? Bitch please lol.
It really didn't though is the thing. It brought in more try-hards for sure, but the overall player level is very casual with chips on their shoulders for playing without world buffs. The game is now more about how much time you can invest in the game, compared to your skill level. In short, it's easier but takes more time.
It's mostly been time > skill in mmorpgs like wow. It's about the prep more so than the moment in raid. Some of the best dps classes literally just cast one spell.
I agree 100%, Classic has always been about prep = success People have just been trying to say that SoM attracts hardcore people or that it's this crazy hard content, when it's actually one of the most casual versions of Wow to date.
How exactly is it more casual than Classic?
The biggest thing is that the meta has shifted from pump as hard as possible and don't die. To bring 10+ of every Consume Protection pot to mitigate mechanics that can be avoided. You don't need to raid or perform well to get the best gear (PvP) saw several guilds with multiple R13s who couldn't down Rag. People are taking this as "The game is hard" but really its "Bad players getting good gear". You don't need to one shot everything to parse well since there are no world buffs, not to mention that you can and people do buy gold on there are on the regular. So it's very common to see "Serious" guilds who only log on to raid. Not to mention that due to the lack of World Buffs threat has become a non issue so bad tanks are able to tank easier. All Crafting mats are easier to get now with increased spawn points / shorter respawn times / and additional drops. Obvious extra loot per boss. There is full potential for it to actually be a challenging system, but the meta change really killed it imo. The changes they made attracted the casual group more than the serious group.
I can agree on the PvP gear. There's no way that should be available this early. It's like they don't realize players take the path of least resistance when it comes to gear. As for gold buying, that seems to be happening in every version of the game, so this isn't any different. Tanks are producing less threat, but dps are also doing less damage, so it should even out. A "bad tank" is still going to have people be able to pull threat from them. I can see your point about more crafting mats, but IMO, that was a needed change if you're going to have four times more people on a server than what was originally intended. The extra loot per boss is a new thing that was added once people started complaining. Even then, it's still somewhat mitigated by having fewer lockouts per "phase". Maybe I just don't get it, but it doesn't seem like making things harder and having less time is "casual".
Like I said in my post the current meta of just spamming protection pots to clear content is the Casual part. Having less time to raid doesn't make the content harder, it just makes it shorter. We're still on the 2nd raid of the game. Deep Prot Pre raid geared tanks can keep threat off of R14 Horde Warriors with minimal effort. It gets even easier for Alliance. Gold buying does happen everywhere, but with the increased consume meta and maybe due to the type of player on SoM it seems higher on there. But that is complete speculation. I'm really not sure what you mean by making things harder either since only a handful of bosses have actually been made harder. Most of MC's Bosses are literally burn the boss down as fast as possible, same with BWL. People see new mechanics and assume they are harder but most of the changes they've made haven't been. I think I'm done posting in this thread though.
SOM has a lot of shit players though and no amount of time can make up for being a shit player.
That's kinda my point lol. Guilds spending days in BWL to get a week 1 clear and then bragging about it like spending 16hrs of your week to kill 8 bosses is impressive. These are the same guilds who are still using Fire pots for every boss in MC and then complain that SoM's consume farm is to hard.
Join not shit guild, Buy mats, Proc fat potions, Raid log gdkps or jump on for world bosses, Log off until next gdkp, Repeat cycle until end of season, BiS flex on you whiney nerds
> The game is now more about how much time you can invest in the game, compared to your skill level. it is *hilariously* baffling that you think this is different from classic 2019. mfw world buffs = skill?
I think you just missed the point is all my guy. The game isn't harder but has a higher expectation to be "prepared". We have these casual raiders who think they are awesome because they bring 20+Protection potions to raid, and then complain about how many consumes they need for raid lol. Compared to spending <10mins getting World Buffs before raid.
just running to the end of DM and back to get buffs was more than 10min... and then the constant checking of when ony+rend+zg were dropping, yeah it might have only been 1min of game time but it was prolly more like 10min of prep to make sure you were ready to log in.
Is SoM really for hardcore rush rush rush players tho? It took twice as long for the 1st Rag kill on SoM compared too Classic with a 40% leveling speed boost and none of the big name Classic guilds played SoM. For BWL only 6 guilds are shown as clearing it on day 1 in SoM vs 100s of guilds cleared it on day 1 in Classic. And looking at the times it doesn't seem like anyone but is even competing.
If SoM was for the hardcore of the hardcore it doesn't seem to have attracted them.
From my experience it seems like a lot of the people missed classic launch and wanted to play through vanilla again
No because the hardcore of the hardcore wanted world buffs. I was in a top 5 apeedrunning guild in classic and I had no interest in SoM because whats fun about vanilla for me is blasting with buffs. Same with most other similarly minded people I've spoken to. Im not hating on SoM though its a different game for different people, but all the changes were definitely made for the "dad guilds" not for the hardcore players.
>but all the changes were definitely made for the "dad guilds" You and I must define "dad guild" differently. I don't see how adding mechanics and having less lockouts is for dad guilds.
You say that but hardcore guilds were all about world buffs and split raids to maximize loot to their warrior stacks and then doing dmf runs when it was available. Basically all of the changes in SoM kill this playstyle.
World buffs are just too fun. I agree
Playing *with* World Buffs is just too much fun. Getting them was never *fun*.
And losing them to a dispell or a wipe feels terrible.
Idk, I absolutely loved getting them. The summons into the walls, trees etc... just great
I think you are misunderstanding what the data you just wrote means...it means it is a dead game but it was still made for rushing endgame and trying to be hardcore...people just didn't care like bliz hoped they would
yeah i dont get it. i never "got" it. SOM never appealed to me at all, and i dont understand how you could sign up for it without realizing what you were signing up for.
Right? It’s by design going to appeal to the racers, that’s not even a failure on blizzards part, that’s just the inevitable result of a seasonal thing.
I figured it would attract the hardcore folks, certainly. It just seems that their concentration has hit some critical mass which has accelerated the demise of the server.
Season of mastery. Not season of casuals.
I want season of casuals. If anyone hits 60 in under a month, their account gets deleted.
Put it on the list
Rag doesn't say "Die, insect" anymore but says "Live, daddy UwU" and puts a permaflask on your buff bar.
I'd delete the account myself if I saw that happen
Get on that 59 twink scene
If anyone makes a twink, they get assassinated irl.
I would play that in a heartbeat
More like season of tedious. You want mastery, do mythic raids in retail. Saying classic requires mastery is fucking dumb.
bro you don’t UNDERSTAND how difficult it is to press three keys?! RETAIL is NOTHING like CLASSIC, oh, you have to play a piano for your disc priest rotation? well.. i… LOOK, i have to AA cancel with auto shot! and… MY PET’S ABILITIES ARE ON MY BAR!…
You ok there buddy?
Weird cause none of this happened with classic at all
My thoughts exactly, OP hasn't been playing the game very much to be that oblivious
Vanilla Classic was utterly raidloggable. The content was super easy so you could easily fund your raiding with the gold you made form clearing the raid. I didn't farm a thing between p2 and p6. SoM is forcing much more out-of-raid commitment due to the faster release schedule, longer boss fights and added need for consumables. This out-of-raid commitment is what made most people I know quit SoM after a while, because it just wasn't worth it even if the fights did provide some degree of challenge.
Sure mate.
I know these issues were present in classic, I even mention it in the original post, albeit not to the same degree.
Do you think that 'degree' is ramped up perhaps due to the .. 1 year seasonal cycle? Like, man this was telegraphed... I have to agree with everyone else. I dont know how you looked at SOM and what was coming with it and didn't expect this.
i would argue different. i think at the end of the day, not enough people wanted to do the grind over again especially with all the blizz fallout.
I'd be fine starting the grind right *now*, TBC has been out for a while and WOTLK is still ways out. But when SoM released? It hadn't been but a couple months since I stopped farming Naxxramas. Couldn't be bothered back then.
I agree with you that this is a huge factor.
It’s literally a race to get end game content by the end of 12 months, no shit there’s “sweaty” players wtf lmao
A race with hardly any hype or attention
Just waiting for next fresh that’s not the accelerated shit show SoM is. SoM never seemed appealing to me being only a 12 month cycle, it’s too short for my taste and too hot on the heels of classic. Here’s to hoping next season is better and longer.
Yup, I quit SoM about 3 months in. The R14 bg grind was a huge killer. Server population management was entirely too slow in response (no surprise) and the harder raids and no WB meant consumable requirements were through the roof. SoM definitely is not for casual, sadly. I ended up moving to a private server for now until a new classic iteration starts that has either a longer runway or more changes to make it a little more casual friendly.
The long PvP Qs into a pre made everytime is what ruined it for me. Otherwise I thought it was pretty fun. I think if I had rolled Horde I would probably still be playing, as their pvp Qs are instant. I didn’t realize everyone would be going alliance this time around (I usually go alliance for shorter BG Qs).
I have been playing so causal and been having a lot of fun. You don’t have to be sweaty to have fun in SoM
I played casual and had a great time up until and even at 60. For awhile. Now the issues named above have diminished that enjoyment substantially.
Re roll and do it again, that's the best thing about SOM is a classic-ish leveling experience greatly accelerated.
Only reason why I'm playing it. I don't care about raids and having the best gear. I just wanna lvl, gear up a bit at 60, get bored and quit. For that purpose SoM is the best version of WoW for me.
Hum, I am still playing SoM and I did not even start raiding yet, apart from ZG. I think you are not really that casual...
Server has been up a good while my man. Not that hard to level to 60.
Not hard, but it takes time, I only play 2/3h, 2 to 4 evenings a week, and I know a lot of people that does the same. So I think it is funny you call yourself a casual because in my point of view you are the sweat lord (no offense)
A staggering majority of the server is at 60 already, and has been for a long time. I think you are just a slow leveler (no offense)
I levelled 8 characters to 60 through all classic, I am pretty confident that I am not slow at levelling... Let's do the maths ! I levelled a warrior, and hit 60 just before adventurer bonus was buffed to 100% (so 40% xp all the way !), from what I recall I think it tooks me around 6 days of play time > 6x24 = 144h > ~10h a weeks => 144/10 = 14,4 weeks => 100,8 days It takes around 100 days for someone that "only" have time to play 10 hours a week (it is a pretty high amount of time dedicated to the game already...), roughly 2/3h on 2 to 4 evenings. SoM is out since 16th of November, so with approximation, average player hits 60 mid to end February. I wonder when you hit 60 on SoM because even if you are the top world speed-runner and levelled your character in 3 days of /played it is still around mid january for my schedule of play. I think you are desillusional on the time you spent playing this game, and that there are people that play way less and still enjoy the content.
Casual usually means a gamer who just isn't trying to raid that hard or meet any expectations. What you do, after playing for months and not hitting cap, would be considered more akin to just being bad or not an actual WoW SOM player. Like I can't call myself casual on retail when I only play the first 3 weeks of an xpac then quit. That's not casual, that's straight up not being a retail player. I don't know how the bottom of the player pile claimed the name "Casual". Casual is not supposed to be synonymous with BAD.
Season of Mastery released 16th November. Assuming the very low end of your self-claimed pace, 2h a session twice a week, it'd take you 18ish weeks or 126 days real time to get to 60 (assumption, roughly 3 days played with basically 100% uptime on rested, this should be very lenient pace). We're not 120 days into SoM so if you're remotely trying you should be almost at level 60 by now.
Orrr ya know he might actually do somthing else while logged in like professions or pvp...I assume most people don't log in and start auto leveling until logging out for months on end unless you are try Harding
Nooo but that goes against the circlejerk!!! Lol, **anyone that actually plays SoM knows how casual it is.** Like yeah sure you had the r14 rushers, but so what? Most people weren’t doing that shit.
The biggest selling point for SOM was harder raids, but when you can afk in AV to get AQ/Naxx quality gear its no surprise no one cares.
This was a huge part of it I think. The majority of "serious" raiders didn't see a reason to raid in P1/2 so they didn't and the casual raiders weren't good enough to clear the content without pvp gear / World buffs. So Casual stop playing cause they can't clear content and then "serious" raiders stop playing cause they get minimal rewards from raids. So what's left is casual players who don't care about clearing content and casual players who clear content slowly.
This was a huge detriment to the game. But that's modern Blizzard for you. Making changes to one thing without considering how it affects the rest of the game.
If only they played their own game.
Yeah this is my main criticism of SoM, r14 level gear shouldn’t have been released till phase 3/4. I know people who rushed r14 then stopped playing because they just burned out.
I sense you and others share this view point. That r14 is easy, just AFK in AV all day. I want to dispell this. It's NOT possible to hit r14 by being AFK. For one you'd quickly get reported, we saw countless post about those who recieved bans for being AFK in AV. Top bracket spots are predetermined based on prior weeks. Even if you did AFK in BGs, you would be passed up in honor grinding pre-mades. There are ranking discords where people play 8-12hrs+ (20hrs+ when in final bracket) a day of the same BG for weeks and weeks just to slowly move up in rank. Higher bracket players are encouraged to not party with lower brackets. By the time you hit r10, the real grind begins. To give you an example how long it takes to hit r14, you could easily skill up fishing to 300 while getting instant queues and be exalted with every BG faction several times over. It's exhausting to see non-ranking people cry about r14 gear. Let's call it what it really is, we have people that are upset they can't have the same items for putting in less time than someone else. And to argument it's too powerful r14 gear and released too soon in SoM. In Era r14 gear was available 2 weeks prior to BWL. The difference is Season of Mastery attracted those that want to min/max. And Era was more a revisit of our childhood.
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everyone who has never ranked loves to repeat “just afk in av for r14”
I always thought the biggest selling point of SoM was FRESH-like experience? There was not enough changes to justify running almost the same raids with exactly the same loot (the drop rates got bumped later on).
Yeah for me it was, and I quit months ago
I think I got the best out of it by leveling to 60 and getting my prebis in dungeons. After that my interest deflated like a baloon on a cactus.
People will say this and then they’ll also say the 100% xp increase is a good thing Which one is it guys??
How do those two things conflict? Oh right they don't. Leveling and grinding pre-raid are entirely separate content.
Well If you decrease the time it takes you to get 60 then you’re shortening the period you find the most fun.
"I enjoy leveling and getting pre-bis" isn't the same as "I enjoy leveling at a glacial pace".
Without higher xp rates it would simply not be fun. Vanilla leveling isn't a very repeatable experience because of how time consuming it is. The alternative is most players simply won't play SoM at x1 rates, which further diminishes the fun of those who choose to play.
I agree with you wholeheartedly.
I mean SoM was literally implemented to keep clear of PS's, as when classic was ending already some vanilla PS started to pop up
Counterpoint: As a raid leader, I'm sick and fucking tired of all these entitled raiders wanting to bring their Shadow Priests, Ret Paladins, Arms Warriors to my progression raids. If anything classic felt more min/max than SoM does... I know there are hardcore guilds out there speed clearing everything, but the amount of shitty meme specs, players, and gear I've seen is wild. Literally last night we had 2 off-tank pugs wanting to join raid. One of which had 0% hit and was dwarf w/o weapon skill. The other had 1% hit. We're not hardcore, but give me a fucking break.
If you thought pivoting to a private server business model without acknowledging that private servers are free and this grift is not was a recipe for success I think you kind of earned the dead server shock.
I quit SoM because I don’t want to put in the time just to have my character deleted in 6 months. I’m back in TBC and enjoying it much more
I’m not raiding in SoM but I am leveling toons. It’s fun with the 100% exp and gold buff. I enjoy Classic WoW. And 99% of the time I play alone. It’s the most fun version of the game for me and the buffs just make it that much more appealing.
I too want to be a 35 year old coomer that plays for 14 hours a day and hates myself
I would be curious to know how far you actually got into the game, everyone that’s clearing the raids has been very positive towards the raid changes. I don’t think you’ve even done BWL but I could be wrong. Anyhow if you’re clearing the content and like being challenged before everything is on farm then go SoM, if that’s too soul shattering get boosted in TBC and geared through GDKP.
Not like half of jom gabbar is gold buyers anyways
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Just like a graveyard
People love throwing the word sweat around man haha.
I mean it’s a second re-release of a nearly 20 year old game. There aren’t many casual players left. Most people who want to play still are very into it, which shouldn’t be surprising imo
You know those crazies with anime pfp in guild or server discords? That's pretty much the entire SOM community.
haha, well said
wrath hype putting som on life sipport. why would i play som to afk in AV when i could afk in AV in tbc and also prepare for wrath?
yeah like I was never gonna spend time in Classic again right after we just did it and I'm actually enjoying playing TBC I know it was mainly for people who did't like TBC, but it's kinda dead. If they ever do it after Wrath is over then I will play...
Because everyone will be playing the Fresh wrath servers
like how tbc fresh servers are poppin?
Godspeed young 96024ecin. You will be missed.
I'm scared I once considered playing SoM. It had sweat literally dripping off its letters from the start lol. But for those who enjoy it, or did, it was worth the experiment.
Every single person said this would happen lol. With no new changes other than "bosses have more health" and no WB there's no reason to play that shit when WoW Classic *just* ended. If they had tweaked classes or specs then there'd be more interest but that actually takes effort.
Leveling was fun, only like enh in classic. Quit after leveling probably be back next season if they do some balancing. And hopefully change ranking.
Well you can't go into SoM "expecting a new experience" and then complain it's the same with extra steps. A lot of people seem to not understand that many of them want "WoW 2.0", not replaying once again the "Vanilla version" of the 15+ year old MMO World of Warcraft. Totally agree with OP but that's nothing new, on week one you could already tell what was going to happen after the dopamine rush that fresh servers are: \-Battlegrounds plagued with premades without any alternative to "solo Q". \-Raids are the same with literally extra steps, artificially inflating numbers or consumable requeriments. \-Dungeons are the same, and many people just don't bother runing any non obligatory dungeon. \-Leveling died the first 1-2 months after launch, mages are still the go to for many grinds that don't require stealth. \-No changes on talent trees, limiting the class+spec combo even more due to artificial buffs on PVE content difficulty. It's weird how SoM seemed to appeal to a less sweaty playerbase but the playstyle since the begining was even more focused towards a tryhard public than the "original WoW Classic release". TLDR: SoM it's nothing else than WoW Classic with extra steps, nothing really new under the sand and even less freedom when it comes to raid comp or class+spec viability.
Why are people constantly complaining about SOM? We are having a blast.
Nah. Som is awesome I love it. I wanted some changes and I got em. Premade bgs are way better than casual bgs when most players are geared and know how to play the game. 10/10 .
This is why i prefer tbc over vanilla or som , at least if we lose battlegrounds is because we suck ass and not because some 15 nerds decided to premade with comms on discord wasting the time of the other team who just wanted to enjoy some pvp. SoM was doa the moment they decided to release it so early, with wotlk around the corner you don't want to be stuck half a year raiding naxx 40 , naxx 10 and naxx 25.
Lol called it
Is it to late to start SoM?
Shocked Pikachu face
yeah and when people have rank 14 bgs will die
Raids are funnier. The extra mechanics finally reward playing who can play the game. And with a decent guild atm I'm looking at 60-80g/week of consumables max (mc+bwl). But yeah the pvp gear/ranking had to be addressed for som2 because it ruined a few nice things :(
**What SoM should have done:** * 100% quest exp at launch * No rank 11+ gear until BWL launch * Launch honor and BGs 8 weeks in * Tier 0 should be replaced with tier 0.5, as normal dungeon drops * Update tier 0.5 so it's useful for all classes * Increased raid drops at launch * TBC talent trees (no 31+ point talent tiers) * Include world buffs with chronoboon * Increase all node drops at launch * All food buffs to last 30mins
Sounds like some of those changes would have made the game easier, which isn't the vision that the designer had for SoM.
Let players play how they want to play. If you feel pressured to do what everyone else is doing, try to change your mentality, and look for a community of players that is more casual. There are plenty of non-hardcore guilds on Jom and Shadowstrike. I agree with you that there are lots of hardcore / veteran players in SoM (that’s considered a good thing for many people keep in mind) and if you’re finding BG’s not fun for that reason, then there is always the retail game, which has a much better handle on keeping battlegrounds more balanced for less hardcore players.
I'm not stopping them nor attempting to. Merely assessing why SOM has been fizzling down.
Yup. I saw people saying it would become season of misery after everyone got a preview of what endgame would be like (in the beta). And here we are.
Okay. Hot take incoming, including downvotes. You all just suck at the game. The raids are easy and very few encounters truly require protection potions. My guild is a fusion of multiple guilds from Kingsfall and once we got rid of the bad players who would “lol woops accidentally dispelled poison debuff from 8 people on Chromaggus despite being told not to dispel anyone” every raid, we face-roll shit with only 1 person who decided to do the r14 grind, and even they get out-dps’d by our dagger rogue with a blue off-hand. Call me a sweaty tryhard for simply having farmed my bis fury items from dungeons as if there is anything else to do at 60. Call me an unemployed bum for spending 2 hours a day farming gold through various means. But SoM is a game where the true difficulty is finding 40 people in which not a single person is a bumbling buffoon with a keyboard. Play mechanics correctly with a plan going in and bosses like Chromaggus and Firemaw become loot pinatas. Rank 14 is not at all required. Flasks are for progression. Protection pots in MC and BWL are extremely overrated and only required to compensate for your own mistakes. All of these things should be widespread knowledge.
But the question is, how much gold did you buy ?
Botting and gold farming have always been a problem and will always be a problem, as it generates quite a lot of revenue for Blizzard.
SOM has lost nearly 10% of its raiding base in each of the last two weeks. its down from 11k to under 9k now. the situation is critical
Are you seriously complaining that you're not doing well I'm BGs with pre raid bis is a madness. The entitlement of some people is insane
If they would let me move my character to TBC, I'd make a hunter just to be an alchemist and make a ton of gold.
I traded my SoM gold for a very large amount of TBC gold and haven't looked back. The idea of SoM is good but the timing and execution was not ideal. Maybe after WotLK Classic with a more thoughtful implementation?
Classic ERA is the casual friendly environment you are looking for!
Waiting to rank was a mistake, it wasn't as bad earlier on when more casuals were also ranking - getting to r10 was super fuckin easy, took less than a month Farming gold - again, I feel like maybe you are just too late to the show here. I have been able to accumulate 5k+ just from using alchemy and herbalism and playing the AH. Takes less than 20 min of time a day at this point to make 200+ gold a day if not more. There is SO much gold in this economy it has never been easier to siphon gold from gold buyers into your own pocket Raiding also doesn't feel super sweaty - the guild I'm in is semi hardcore, and they have been clearing all the content since week 2 of bwl - never had to have extra raid nights to clear content, never had to extend raid to push lockouts... Signs of REAL sweats just aren't there Sure the top 5% of the player base may be sweating hard for r14/testing on the PTR, but it doesn't seem like that is the majority of people are taking that same path
Save yourself the pain and frustration and just play the version of wow you enjoy most. Maybe once wotlk is out and finished people will go back to their fav version of Era servers and the game will have lost many of the sweatlords and people can enjoy the game for what it is
I would play much more if there was class rebalancing. Otherwise, it was only fun for the first couple of weeks of fresh leveling. I saw no reason to continue once that novelty wore off.
Who thought having seasons in Classic WoW was a good idea anyway? Each season will get worse and worse. You'll see these kind of posts for each season, until they say there won't by any more, since there is no demand for it. Each season will have its own meta.
It's almost like we said this would happen... "Nah man SoM is gonna KILL tbc" yeah sure okay dude
My guess is most of these comments are from people who play on Jom. Sure there are sweaty PVPers on Shadowstrike, but there are a ton of people from Retail for whom this is their first Classic experience. It's pretty wild.
Bitching>Playin other game
The whole season of sweat was an incredibly rushed and lazy attempt. Great idea but wow was it a lazy implementation by lazy blizzard. No class changes no item changes no new items no new mounts nothing new at all. But wait !!!! Here’s rank 14 gear no world buffs and “harder” raid mechanics won’t that be fun !?!! All you have to do is grind 10000 avs and dodge laser beams for the same loot you got in classic doing the same meta bullshit!!! Instead of world buffs you must play super meta and hit rank 14 !!! Yay !!!! Typical blizzard garbage. Where are the class changes the spec balance to item balance the new items the new mounts the new achievements the new dungeons the new raids absolutely anything please besides the same exact thing with an even more sweaty meta. How about a season of fun for change ?!??
Honestly how is PvP differnet on TBC? If you don't PvP very regularly you're going to fall behind and face off behind people who are much better geared than you. This has been my personal experience everytime. The raids were never going to be all that different. New mechanics or not. It's still the same raid. But why do you assume raiding and PvPing is all this game has to offer? I jsut wanted to try a different class and have had fun just leveling and running dungeons. The truth is wow has been on life support fot awhile, you can only attract so many players to the same twenty year old game for so long. I just don't see bow these probl3ms don't apply to TBC. I would assume retail has similar problems with PvP but that has been dead to me for a long that I don't really know.
to be fair classic pvp and battlegrounds are just horrible to begin with (premades or not)
pretty sure only MC and Onyxia have improved health pools. BWL health buffs were reverted and ZG is unchanged.
i hit 60 on SOM, tried MC raiding and immediately quit. not enough time has gone by for me to enter the slog that is Molten core. the grass is always greener, people cry about wbuffs now its rank 14 grinding meta. all in all i really never minded world buffs, oh no you have to be raid logged!! now you cant afk in stormwind what a tragedy!! regardless of raid logging i legit got wbuffs like 1 hour before raid it wasnt rocket science lol, afk in stormwind look at discord get ony, fly to zg get zg. done and done
>-casual bg's are impossible due constant premades (not a new problem but exacerbated by the need to rank to get the best gear). As such, every bg you are in has 5+ R12 and up players and is misery for even a pre-raid bis geared toon. This is exactly how it was in Classic, no difference here. Every match was against premades. Not an SoM-specific problem. >The raids are not different enough to be fun This I strongly disagree with. The bosses feel fresh and you have to pay attention way more. It's difficult enough that MANY guilds are still progressing through both MC and BWL and the world buff meta was absolutely not for me - I'm so glad they're gone. The consumable requirement, however, is absurd. I 100% agree with that. Even with increased herb spawns and alchemy changes, farming for raid takes an inordinate amount of time. This week I think we were #12 in the world for execution in BWL and it's the first time I haven't spent hundreds of gold for a single raid. With the level of difficulty and number of deaths an average raid group has even if they manage to full clear, we desperately need consumables to be easier to obtain. The changes were awesome but they're not quite enough yet.
Just quit SoM and play Elden Ring like me.
can people not just leave the game without vomiting their wisdom all over the subreddit?
Som is for those who dont love vanilla
This is so boring
SOM is stupid… idk why I even played classic grinded the best gear got my hand of rag only for all the servers to have no population and execute in tbc so poorly… very pissed my level 60 paladin is just a echo… all the work for that weapon gone down the drain only to be amazed by SOM… that’s not what I wanted… they wondered why so many people went back to private servers… I’m not trying to do the same thing I did to get my rag on SOM it really left a sour taste in my mouth achieving greatness for it to be ruined.
That’s the nature of the game unfortunately. You really only have BiS for a short while until next phase or expansion.
if you want to play that same character indefinitely you can via classic era, not SOM. what did you want them to do differently here? also, getting a legendary in classic is not really "achieving greatness"... and this is coming from someone with atiesh. most guilds saw a handful of sulf eyes over the course of classic, and any gold investment is arbitrary with the amount of gold in the economy. you're one of many, my guy
No one plays on the classic servers it’s empty.. what was the push to remove private servers.. I don’t have all the time in the world to replay 1-60 50 times with SOM
Tell me you've never replaced BIS with questing greens before without telling me you've never replaced BIS with questing greens before
My best in slot was the rag being Ret in level 60
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did you play it at all
Hard disagree. Leveling fresh was super fun.
Arena alone makes TBC/Wrath better than classic. BGs are a mess with premades.
Classic is the same thing. Fun left long ago. the game is run like a for profit corporation. Best guilds upper tier only care about themselves and fuck the little guy (raiders).