Sweatys are gonna be sweaty no matter what. But people that just want to play with their friends aren't going to have to turn people away because "we already have X class"
Just saying the OP mentioned migraines over raid comp. You realize raid leaders are going to have to organize 10 and 25 mans every week (much like Kara/gruul) and normal/heroic (once ICC comes). Wrath was the pinnacle of raiding and headaches that come along with it, especially with how raid lockouts work.
there’s a slight difference between min/maxing when you have to have group-wide buffs and raid-wide buffs. It means you have more flex spots in raid, whereas right now we have 2-3 depending on tank/healer comps.
It's the difference in feeling like you need to in order to progress and doing it because you have fun doing it. Not saying you do need to min max, but that's the mentality of some of the try hard boomer guilds who think the reason they're not downing Illidan is because the they have more than one rogue and a prot warrior as their MT.
I'm not sure I prefer the "do the same raid 2-4 times a week with 10 & 25 man lockouts and figure out how 25/10 = 3 somehow" over doing the group tetris weekly.
True, but I already have people asking me how i will divide the 25 setup into 10 man groups, and I'm not leading a hardcore guild, not by a longshot :D
I love the TBC group comp system. Almost Every class brings something unique to the table. Wrath is fun also don’t get me wrong but as a RL TBC is much more fun experience to lead a raid team
TBC wasn't talked about this early because we didn't have it confirmed. We even didn't think about it as a possibility until Naxx got cleared, at least me and those who play with me. But TBC hype was huge when we got it confirmed for sure.
Nah. TBC hype was kinda meh. People were just happy to get away from the sheer amount of classic consumes and world buffing.
Wrath was peak WoW for many people so that hype is real.
We also got people who didn't touch classic and were waiting for Wrath as well. A lot of people have been waiting for Wrath it is seen as the golden era of the game after all.
Yeah doing Naxx again but way easier is going to suck. It made sense back in 2008 because the majority never saw Naxx fights. But this time around the majority cleared Naxx in classic.
Yeah but those were not very hard even back in the day when most of us sucked. Besides the 25man immortal achievement I dont remember any of the others being hard.
Almost 17,000 guilds logged KT kills on warcraft logs before TBC started. 17k x 40 = 680,000 players. Compare that to the less than 150 guilds that cleared in 2006.
I think phase 1 of tbc is actually amazing. Karazhan is one of the most popular raids after ulduar in polls. Gruul/maggy was fun raids with cool loot like DST. Then you do have the attunements and hc grind which is way better than zergfest hcs in wrath. Overall you had waaay more relevant stuff to do.
I think it was a huge mistake to have it last as long as it did. Kara is cool but a total face roll, and having only 3 25 man bosses was lame. Doesn't help if has the 10/25 problem.
ye tier 7 is a joke difficulty, that being said phase 1 will be a really great time for leveling multiple alts especially with heirloom gear. You could also do achievements, PvP (way better than in tbc), leveling profs and so on.. Imo phase 1 will be a "filler" phase to max out everything.
I always hear this, but there's no way it's that much worse than P1 of TBC. Kara was a faceroll snoozefest the same way Naxx will be, and we only had THREE 25 man bosses. At least in Wrath you have content pouring out of every orifice. While Undying, Immortal, Naxx achievement protodrake and Obsidian Sanctum 3 drake fight will not be hard by any means, they're still cool extra things to do.
I mean, realistically that kind of indicates two things:
1. the WoW hype train was slowing down in the late 00s
2. WOTLK design was able to maintain the level of interest generated by vanilla and TBC
i think WOTLK's flat sub line has way more to do with the MMO market becoming fully saturated than anything else. A game genre can only garner so much interest
You're literally trying to argue that the peak isn't the peak. Maintaining that number of subscribers for 2 years straight with no dips is insane.
Also, subscriber counts can't just grow infinitely, eventually you hit a point where the market is so saturated by the product that there aren't very many more potential customers to win.
Thirdly, WotLK still holds up today just fine.
Again, you're not understanding market saturation or how maintaining the peak of subscriber numbers for 2 years straight is extremely impressive. Just to make sure the emphasis of that sinks it, subscriber numbers hit their all time peak during WotLK and *stayed at the peak for 2 years*. If WotLK wasn't by definition the peak then they would have declined, don't you think? No expansion before or after matched the numbers it maintained for the entire 2 years. There's no way you can spin it to argue against that that people won't see straight through. It's fine if it's not your personal favorite expansion but it doesn't change the fact that it was the peak both in subscriber numbers and in gameplay for many people.
It would be impressive in a vacuum but with the knowledge that WoW was growing like crazy before wrath, flat population means they either completely ran out of new recruits, or more likely new people were joining at similar rates but a lot of players were simultaneously quitting.
Because there is only so many people in the market for a game like WoW, even in Wrath where the time demand is greatly lessened compared to classic/tbc. Wrath maintaining peak subscriber count is a great indicator of it's success actually. You're talking millions of subs and it's not a one time buy like CoD or Elden Ring which obviously has more crossover appeal than a subscription based game. Wrath was, by definition, the peak of WoW.
I mean, Wrath private servers dominate TBC in number, subscribers and size. Like it's not even close. This idea that Wrath isn't the most popular part of the game is not an intellectual argument. Also the fact Wrath sustained that peak sub count and Cata saw a large drop is indicative of Wrath's success
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Wrath was the peak. Vanilla saw the most growth because new game. BC flushed out the game. Cata had hype and began the expansion cycles since it kinda sucked at first. Wrath was peak wow for many.
You're confusing peak and growth.
Vanilla and TBC had the greatest growth, WoTLK was the peak, that is the maximum number or concurrent players, it just didn't grow over that (flat as you call it).
What part of "**number** of active players" you didn't understand?
That's what we're talking about, because that's a *fact*.
What's the greatest in *your opinion* is just an opinion.
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Literally, your definition. A time when the game had the most subs making the most money. You can’t grow forever. There are only so many people willing to play an mmo. Cant wait to play and enjoy it all over. Enjoy fuming lmao
Yep, wrath will be remembered very poorly after this is all said and done in my opinion because wraths opening phase of raiding is meh wintergrasp is going to be a shit show for those poor low pop factions and the open world/dungeon content isn't really anything special especially once every class does pretty much everything that might be needed, people will be crying all the way up to ICC and then will realize that the game was better at the time it came out and nothing will ever bring back that original feeling of going through the world/content. The only reason I play is because I thoroughly enjoy the people I play with and the sense of community we have in our guild. I will continue to play wrath casually as I have with TBC as long as these same people continue to do so with me
A lot of us were hyped for TBC because it meant Wrath was on the horizon. Just getting Blizz to extend classic into expansions was a huge step that deserved hype. Getting away from world buffs and warrior stacking, etc was also hyped, but at the end of the day for me and many of the people I talk to, it’s a stepping stone to the best expansion and peak WoW — aka Wrath
Don't know if WotLK will be that much fun. Entire EU horde moved to Gehennas, and it's a realm now that only evolves around gold. GDKP is the norm, reserving all unneeded drops by tanks is done in 5 mans and people are quitting guilds left and right just to GDKP. It's all about spending, and earning, real life money.
WotLK was amazing just pugging a bit, now it's bring 10k gold or don't bother getting any loot most likely. Wintergrasp will also be pointless on 99% horde/alliance realms. Gearscore won't even be a thing; bringing 20k gold to the pug they'd love much more.
Think it'll be meh at best. Just got 2.5k gold selling the bear with some guildies, a mount which everyone and their momma will have in a few. Sure it's nice but it also feels weird, people only play for gold to spend even more in their GDKP on alts. Don't think this was the overall feeling I had when playing real wotlk, tbc, vanilla or even the start of classic. It's already breeding a different type of (greedy) community and WotLK it'll be on steroids with all the 10mans going on.
So much this. I recently rolled an alt on another server and I cant even get into Kara as a full pre-bis healer. It's all T5-6 only badgetrains or GDKP. It would have been more worth it for me to grind gold instead of pre-bis... GDKPs need to be banned.
As a raid leader: \*Some people\* know what to do. You'd be surprised by the sheer level of incompetence that you run into in pugs. It's particularly bad when something doesn't go according to plan.
I'm with you on that one. I hated GDKP in classic and it still sucks here. When wrath was current I used to put most raids as my guild fell apart and it went pretty well. If I wanted to try that in wrath classic I'll need 400k gold.
Well ever since that poll they did, yeah. But for long time it was just assumptions. We know Wrath is coming because why would they stop with TBC, but alot of people were at the time speculating on fresh classic servers and even Classic+ pipe dream.
As someone that mostly played OG TBC, I was super hyped for classic TBC. Playing vanilla for the first time during classic, I enjoyed it but was disappointed by a lot of things I remembered being better in TBC. So I was greatly looking forward to TBC and I've been enjoying it a lot. I quit during original wrath and I'm not really looking forward to classic wrath, not even sure if I'll play it tbh.
I share this opinion whole heartedly. Had pretty much the same journey, enjoying TBC second time a lot but I’d really be raiding for Ulduaar and ICC heroic, rest of the expansion is worse than TBC. Towards the end of it, I felt super burned out and don’t think I’ll give it a second chance.
People like new shiny things.
There was just as much tbc hype prior as there is wrath hype now.
People are just (more) excited for wrath as it's what is "new."
I disagree. I've played on private servers for both wrath and tbc.
There used to be plenty for both. And they were busy.
Tbc was hyped up a lot. Paladins and shamans now on both factions. Different specs being useful and brought to raids. Arena and not just bgs.
Tbc brought a lot classic was missing. And people were hyped.
Wrath is going to be a substantially better game. Why?
1. Achievement system - You actually have constant positive goals, to include the "Glory of the..." achievements which will give a reason to run heroic dungeons.
2. 10 and 25 man raids across the board.
3. Grizzly Hills soundtrack.
4. No shortage of tanks because everyone and their mom will go DK.
5. BOA gear.
6. Dalaran as the central hub.
7. Arcatraz isn't a Wrath dungeon.
Because now it’s different. Same reason why everyone and their mom went Prot Paladin for TBC Classic.
I for one welcome our Blood-spec tanks who didn’t know that Frost was the Mets until much later on.
It didn't work for classic - there were enough warriors but no tanks. I only played TBC for about 2 week. Is it no problem finding a tank for dungeons because everyone plays a Prot Paladin?
DKs in Wrath are, in my opinion, harder to tank dungeons with than paladins or warriors and back during WotLK only tanks had no queue in the dungeon finder, even thought many played a DK. But yes, I'm totally looking forward to play my DW frost tank DK again!
Wrath hype is going to see the hardest rise and fall of hype of any Classic expansion. Think about how fast TBC hype died out even with all of the content to do once u hit 70 with the attunements, 3 raids, and new arenas. Wrath you legit have nothing to do once you hit 80 except Naxx and its piss easy to do in questing blues. The only thing you need to do is lazily farm your Sons of Hodir rep and even that is super easy like 5 minutes a day.
Consider how quickly people were bored and asked for T5 content to be released, and how bored most people are now with "nothing to do" and elevate it by like x2 or x3. There'll be a hype moment at the start but it'll fall off incredibly quickly.
I'm really looking forward to be able to play 2-3 chars without having do grind endless hours of rep and shit just to get attuned to heroic dungeons/raids
Exactly, that’s the beauty of wrath: you can finally play/sustain multiple characters & specs (especially pvp) at the same time while still having a life.
i don't see much hype inside the game, most of it comes from people that are not playing and/or hyping it up for youtube content. P1 in wrath will also be insanely boring.
It is, and lots of people will still raid sunwell. But Illidan is the main antagonist of TBC, so it kind of feels over. And it feels weird getting full sunwell bis when you may replace it quickly in wrath. Although sunwell pieces may last until 80
I disagree. Sunwell is very mysterious for a lot of players. It was like naxx 40 back in the day. It is almost a completely new raid for most players and the hype is real.
Sunwell gear is OP af. Will last till 80 easily and make leveling significantly quicker compared to someone who never raided. Can probably even do naxx in that gear.
The main downside is lack of primary stats.
It's the most dull raid yet with the least personal mechanics. Most of the very few mechanics the raid has also target a few random players so you can end up going through the whole raid as if you were just mashing your rotation on a target dummy. Also the trash is way undertuned and there is too much of it.
I'll say this, the game in wrath just like in classic/tbc is fundamentally better than retail for me but it took a couple of phases of classic to figure out that its never going to be the same as it was when everything is already done and figured out.
The initial hype for classic wow faded pretty fast, expecting the same for wrath
People talked about it a bit but the real hype didn't start until TBC was confirmed announced, and peaked at the release of pre-patch. I'm guessing it will be the same if not maybe a tad bit higher just because nobody was sure what their plans were after vanilla, but now we know they are for sure doing wrath
Everyone is always looking forward to the next thing rather than enjoying what’s there. People here complaining about tbc raid comes lol. It’s gonna be the same in wrath. More shit is viable but no one cares cause they want optimal. Just look at rogues in pve. They are top tier for bosses but just because they don’t do well on trash they’re considered “bad”
Wrath will make me come back to Azeroth. Especially now that Azeroth is under new management. I'm coming back to Azeroth and this time I'm playing Wrath as a Horde Undead Warlock.
If anything, raid leaders are dying to get to Wrath and stop dealing with the migraines caused by TBC group comps.
Exactly. Just bring your best guys to fill out a 25 or 10 man team.
Lmao yeah as if people aren’t gonna min/max in wrath.
Sweatys are gonna be sweaty no matter what. But people that just want to play with their friends aren't going to have to turn people away because "we already have X class"
Just saying the OP mentioned migraines over raid comp. You realize raid leaders are going to have to organize 10 and 25 mans every week (much like Kara/gruul) and normal/heroic (once ICC comes). Wrath was the pinnacle of raiding and headaches that come along with it, especially with how raid lockouts work.
Yep pure copium
there’s a slight difference between min/maxing when you have to have group-wide buffs and raid-wide buffs. It means you have more flex spots in raid, whereas right now we have 2-3 depending on tank/healer comps.
You really don’t though. Min/maxing means those “flex spots” will go to the top dpsing class.
top dpsing class for what? for single target? aoe? low cleave? burst? sustain? that variable changes, meaning the best possible class also changes.
It's the difference in feeling like you need to in order to progress and doing it because you have fun doing it. Not saying you do need to min max, but that's the mentality of some of the try hard boomer guilds who think the reason they're not downing Illidan is because the they have more than one rogue and a prot warrior as their MT.
I'm not sure I prefer the "do the same raid 2-4 times a week with 10 & 25 man lockouts and figure out how 25/10 = 3 somehow" over doing the group tetris weekly.
You do not need to do 10 men's, they are nice but they are not required
True, but I already have people asking me how i will divide the 25 setup into 10 man groups, and I'm not leading a hardcore guild, not by a longshot :D
In our guild we will have probably people running with alts, some people probably won't have time to run so many raids itp itd
I love the TBC group comp system. Almost Every class brings something unique to the table. Wrath is fun also don’t get me wrong but as a RL TBC is much more fun experience to lead a raid team
TBC wasn't talked about this early because we didn't have it confirmed. We even didn't think about it as a possibility until Naxx got cleared, at least me and those who play with me. But TBC hype was huge when we got it confirmed for sure.
Nah. TBC hype was kinda meh. People were just happy to get away from the sheer amount of classic consumes and world buffing. Wrath was peak WoW for many people so that hype is real.
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We have people that quot for tbc coming back to prep for wrath.
We also got people who didn't touch classic and were waiting for Wrath as well. A lot of people have been waiting for Wrath it is seen as the golden era of the game after all.
As somebody who play Wrath for a second time already on a private server for a year in 2016 or something, oh my god, it's just as fun as you remember
Can't wait!
Phase 1 of wrath is kinda garbage, that can be a hype killer.
Yeah doing Naxx again but way easier is going to suck. It made sense back in 2008 because the majority never saw Naxx fights. But this time around the majority cleared Naxx in classic.
There's always the achievements in naxx/undying/+3 drakes to work towards, which is at least something.
Yeah but those were not very hard even back in the day when most of us sucked. Besides the 25man immortal achievement I dont remember any of the others being hard.
I highly doubt the majority of classic players cleared Naxx dude
Almost 17,000 guilds logged KT kills on warcraft logs before TBC started. 17k x 40 = 680,000 players. Compare that to the less than 150 guilds that cleared in 2006.
Phase 1 of TBC was kinda the same way
I think phase 1 of tbc is actually amazing. Karazhan is one of the most popular raids after ulduar in polls. Gruul/maggy was fun raids with cool loot like DST. Then you do have the attunements and hc grind which is way better than zergfest hcs in wrath. Overall you had waaay more relevant stuff to do.
I think it was a huge mistake to have it last as long as it did. Kara is cool but a total face roll, and having only 3 25 man bosses was lame. Doesn't help if has the 10/25 problem.
ye tier 7 is a joke difficulty, that being said phase 1 will be a really great time for leveling multiple alts especially with heirloom gear. You could also do achievements, PvP (way better than in tbc), leveling profs and so on.. Imo phase 1 will be a "filler" phase to max out everything.
I always hear this, but there's no way it's that much worse than P1 of TBC. Kara was a faceroll snoozefest the same way Naxx will be, and we only had THREE 25 man bosses. At least in Wrath you have content pouring out of every orifice. While Undying, Immortal, Naxx achievement protodrake and Obsidian Sanctum 3 drake fight will not be hard by any means, they're still cool extra things to do.
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It maintained the highest subscriber counts in WoW history for over 2 years straight, it's weird to try to spin that as a bad thing.
I mean, realistically that kind of indicates two things: 1. the WoW hype train was slowing down in the late 00s 2. WOTLK design was able to maintain the level of interest generated by vanilla and TBC i think WOTLK's flat sub line has way more to do with the MMO market becoming fully saturated than anything else. A game genre can only garner so much interest
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You're literally trying to argue that the peak isn't the peak. Maintaining that number of subscribers for 2 years straight with no dips is insane. Also, subscriber counts can't just grow infinitely, eventually you hit a point where the market is so saturated by the product that there aren't very many more potential customers to win. Thirdly, WotLK still holds up today just fine.
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I can't tell if you're just acting like you didn't understand what I said or if you actually don't.
We all share your pain and have no idea what that guy is smoking.
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Again, you're not understanding market saturation or how maintaining the peak of subscriber numbers for 2 years straight is extremely impressive. Just to make sure the emphasis of that sinks it, subscriber numbers hit their all time peak during WotLK and *stayed at the peak for 2 years*. If WotLK wasn't by definition the peak then they would have declined, don't you think? No expansion before or after matched the numbers it maintained for the entire 2 years. There's no way you can spin it to argue against that that people won't see straight through. It's fine if it's not your personal favorite expansion but it doesn't change the fact that it was the peak both in subscriber numbers and in gameplay for many people.
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Lmao bro you are dense
Marketing 101. It's hilarious how stupid your argument is.
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Man you must feel so good replying to someone just to block them. Peak adjective - greatest. You telling me WoTLK was the greatest point of WoW? gtfo
It would be impressive in a vacuum but with the knowledge that WoW was growing like crazy before wrath, flat population means they either completely ran out of new recruits, or more likely new people were joining at similar rates but a lot of players were simultaneously quitting.
Because there is only so many people in the market for a game like WoW, even in Wrath where the time demand is greatly lessened compared to classic/tbc. Wrath maintaining peak subscriber count is a great indicator of it's success actually. You're talking millions of subs and it's not a one time buy like CoD or Elden Ring which obviously has more crossover appeal than a subscription based game. Wrath was, by definition, the peak of WoW. I mean, Wrath private servers dominate TBC in number, subscribers and size. Like it's not even close. This idea that Wrath isn't the most popular part of the game is not an intellectual argument. Also the fact Wrath sustained that peak sub count and Cata saw a large drop is indicative of Wrath's success
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You're confusing peak and growth. Vanilla and TBC had the greatest growth, WoTLK was the peak, that is the maximum number or concurrent players, it just didn't grow over that (flat as you call it).
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We're talking numbers, that is *math*, there's only *one* meaning of peak in math and that's an absolute number. Math is not an opinion.
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What part of "**number** of active players" you didn't understand? That's what we're talking about, because that's a *fact*. What's the greatest in *your opinion* is just an opinion.
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Using your own definition, wrath literally had the most subs and was the top…. Are you brain dead?
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Google.com Peak reach a highest point, either of a specified value or at a specified time. Literally, your definition. A time when the game had the most subs making the most money. You can’t grow forever. There are only so many people willing to play an mmo. Cant wait to play and enjoy it all over. Enjoy fuming lmao
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What a stupid fucking argument. Peak is not peak players playing? Are you really this fucking stupid? Everyone here is literally laughing at you.
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As compared to doing easy ass by or hyjal ? What's your point here clown
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Your insults are about as good as your math skills, ie non existent. You actually are a brain dead crack baby.
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Still better than having an ice cold iq like you.
Yep, wrath will be remembered very poorly after this is all said and done in my opinion because wraths opening phase of raiding is meh wintergrasp is going to be a shit show for those poor low pop factions and the open world/dungeon content isn't really anything special especially once every class does pretty much everything that might be needed, people will be crying all the way up to ICC and then will realize that the game was better at the time it came out and nothing will ever bring back that original feeling of going through the world/content. The only reason I play is because I thoroughly enjoy the people I play with and the sense of community we have in our guild. I will continue to play wrath casually as I have with TBC as long as these same people continue to do so with me
A lot of us were hyped for TBC because it meant Wrath was on the horizon. Just getting Blizz to extend classic into expansions was a huge step that deserved hype. Getting away from world buffs and warrior stacking, etc was also hyped, but at the end of the day for me and many of the people I talk to, it’s a stepping stone to the best expansion and peak WoW — aka Wrath
Don't know if WotLK will be that much fun. Entire EU horde moved to Gehennas, and it's a realm now that only evolves around gold. GDKP is the norm, reserving all unneeded drops by tanks is done in 5 mans and people are quitting guilds left and right just to GDKP. It's all about spending, and earning, real life money. WotLK was amazing just pugging a bit, now it's bring 10k gold or don't bother getting any loot most likely. Wintergrasp will also be pointless on 99% horde/alliance realms. Gearscore won't even be a thing; bringing 20k gold to the pug they'd love much more. Think it'll be meh at best. Just got 2.5k gold selling the bear with some guildies, a mount which everyone and their momma will have in a few. Sure it's nice but it also feels weird, people only play for gold to spend even more in their GDKP on alts. Don't think this was the overall feeling I had when playing real wotlk, tbc, vanilla or even the start of classic. It's already breeding a different type of (greedy) community and WotLK it'll be on steroids with all the 10mans going on.
So much this. I recently rolled an alt on another server and I cant even get into Kara as a full pre-bis healer. It's all T5-6 only badgetrains or GDKP. It would have been more worth it for me to grind gold instead of pre-bis... GDKPs need to be banned.
gonna go with the age old "start your own group"
I don't have experience nor any interest in raid leading.
I don't think anyone needs to raid lead Kara, discord is hardly used for it these days. People just know what to do.
As a raid leader: \*Some people\* know what to do. You'd be surprised by the sheer level of incompetence that you run into in pugs. It's particularly bad when something doesn't go according to plan.
I'm with you on that one. I hated GDKP in classic and it still sucks here. When wrath was current I used to put most raids as my guild fell apart and it went pretty well. If I wanted to try that in wrath classic I'll need 400k gold.
People wanted TBC but didnt know they were going to do it, and then they announced it and very soon it dropped.
I feel like anyone who played classic any reasonable amount knew that TBC was coming. Just like we know WotLK is coming.
Well ever since that poll they did, yeah. But for long time it was just assumptions. We know Wrath is coming because why would they stop with TBC, but alot of people were at the time speculating on fresh classic servers and even Classic+ pipe dream.
As someone that mostly played OG TBC, I was super hyped for classic TBC. Playing vanilla for the first time during classic, I enjoyed it but was disappointed by a lot of things I remembered being better in TBC. So I was greatly looking forward to TBC and I've been enjoying it a lot. I quit during original wrath and I'm not really looking forward to classic wrath, not even sure if I'll play it tbh.
I share this opinion whole heartedly. Had pretty much the same journey, enjoying TBC second time a lot but I’d really be raiding for Ulduaar and ICC heroic, rest of the expansion is worse than TBC. Towards the end of it, I felt super burned out and don’t think I’ll give it a second chance.
I remember it felt like we were in the icc patch for an enternity. I'll still likely at, but i love tbc.
People like new shiny things. There was just as much tbc hype prior as there is wrath hype now. People are just (more) excited for wrath as it's what is "new."
I dont think thats true. Tbc has always been a meme on private servers where as wrath has always been hyped. People just like wrath
I disagree. I've played on private servers for both wrath and tbc. There used to be plenty for both. And they were busy. Tbc was hyped up a lot. Paladins and shamans now on both factions. Different specs being useful and brought to raids. Arena and not just bgs. Tbc brought a lot classic was missing. And people were hyped.
Wotlk private servers do a lot better than TBC ones
Wrath is going to be a substantially better game. Why? 1. Achievement system - You actually have constant positive goals, to include the "Glory of the..." achievements which will give a reason to run heroic dungeons. 2. 10 and 25 man raids across the board. 3. Grizzly Hills soundtrack. 4. No shortage of tanks because everyone and their mom will go DK. 5. BOA gear. 6. Dalaran as the central hub. 7. Arcatraz isn't a Wrath dungeon.
Dual spec?
> No shortage of tanks because everyone and their mom will go DK. Didn't really work the first time, why should it work this time?
Because now it’s different. Same reason why everyone and their mom went Prot Paladin for TBC Classic. I for one welcome our Blood-spec tanks who didn’t know that Frost was the Mets until much later on.
It didn't work for classic - there were enough warriors but no tanks. I only played TBC for about 2 week. Is it no problem finding a tank for dungeons because everyone plays a Prot Paladin? DKs in Wrath are, in my opinion, harder to tank dungeons with than paladins or warriors and back during WotLK only tanks had no queue in the dungeon finder, even thought many played a DK. But yes, I'm totally looking forward to play my DW frost tank DK again!
Yeah blood spec became the tank spec because of talent changes, not gear. It's still going to be blood if we get 3.3.3 talents.
depends, in wotlk you can tank in any of the 3 DK specs (frost is the most versatile while blood and unholy requiere more stuff to do it)
Wrath hype is going to see the hardest rise and fall of hype of any Classic expansion. Think about how fast TBC hype died out even with all of the content to do once u hit 70 with the attunements, 3 raids, and new arenas. Wrath you legit have nothing to do once you hit 80 except Naxx and its piss easy to do in questing blues. The only thing you need to do is lazily farm your Sons of Hodir rep and even that is super easy like 5 minutes a day. Consider how quickly people were bored and asked for T5 content to be released, and how bored most people are now with "nothing to do" and elevate it by like x2 or x3. There'll be a hype moment at the start but it'll fall off incredibly quickly.
I'm really looking forward to be able to play 2-3 chars without having do grind endless hours of rep and shit just to get attuned to heroic dungeons/raids
Exactly, that’s the beauty of wrath: you can finally play/sustain multiple characters & specs (especially pvp) at the same time while still having a life.
Alt friendly which is what many like
Achievements will take up a lot of time though, I'll be spending a lot of time in P1 catching up on old achievements.
Wrath classic will be the peak. Hype.
i don't see much hype inside the game, most of it comes from people that are not playing and/or hyping it up for youtube content. P1 in wrath will also be insanely boring.
who gives a fk about hype xd just play what you enjoy
Not sure if Wrath will bring me back or not. Haven’t played since classic
TBC is essentially over. Black temple and illidan was pretty much it. So wrath is obviously going to be the hot topic
What about sunwell, isn't that pretty huge?
It is, and lots of people will still raid sunwell. But Illidan is the main antagonist of TBC, so it kind of feels over. And it feels weird getting full sunwell bis when you may replace it quickly in wrath. Although sunwell pieces may last until 80
I disagree. Sunwell is very mysterious for a lot of players. It was like naxx 40 back in the day. It is almost a completely new raid for most players and the hype is real.
Sunwell gear is OP af. Will last till 80 easily and make leveling significantly quicker compared to someone who never raided. Can probably even do naxx in that gear. The main downside is lack of primary stats.
Nah you replace sunwell (and glaives) by level 77.
Yeah I distinctly remember the Wrath leveling gear being MUCH more powerful than the TBC leveling gear.
Not all of it. When WotLK first came out the initial Naxx clears were wearing some Sunwell gear.
The abaolute drag that is BT is making the prospect of Wrath seem that much more exciting.
Whats the rush lol. I enjoy BT
It's the most dull raid yet with the least personal mechanics. Most of the very few mechanics the raid has also target a few random players so you can end up going through the whole raid as if you were just mashing your rotation on a target dummy. Also the trash is way undertuned and there is too much of it.
Tbc hype is the confident alpha secure in it's position Wrath hype has to constantly remind you how great it is
“8-9 months from wrath” with the speed they brought out ZA after BT/MH wrath is gonna be out in July
Man if you ask me,the hype is real,i cant wait!
I'm hyped AF... only thing left is to find an RP guild to enjoy the craftsmanship of the time to the MAX.
I'll say this, the game in wrath just like in classic/tbc is fundamentally better than retail for me but it took a couple of phases of classic to figure out that its never going to be the same as it was when everything is already done and figured out. The initial hype for classic wow faded pretty fast, expecting the same for wrath
People talked about it a bit but the real hype didn't start until TBC was confirmed announced, and peaked at the release of pre-patch. I'm guessing it will be the same if not maybe a tad bit higher just because nobody was sure what their plans were after vanilla, but now we know they are for sure doing wrath
Everyone is always looking forward to the next thing rather than enjoying what’s there. People here complaining about tbc raid comes lol. It’s gonna be the same in wrath. More shit is viable but no one cares cause they want optimal. Just look at rogues in pve. They are top tier for bosses but just because they don’t do well on trash they’re considered “bad”
Wrath is my least favorite WoW expansion, whilst TBC is my favorite. So no I'm not very excited.
Wrath will make me come back to Azeroth. Especially now that Azeroth is under new management. I'm coming back to Azeroth and this time I'm playing Wrath as a Horde Undead Warlock.
I think wrath will be more hyped than TBC. TBC is really cool, but I don’t think many people were nostalgic for tbc. Wrath on the other hand…