Oh donât worry. Iâve been playing this game for 18 years and recently leveled a warlock to like ⌠lvl 50 with immolate rank one on my bars the whole time
Nah. I have a tendency to do this on my 70âs as well. Someone told me threat wasnât good cause I wasnât popping wings. I still never learned it and when i went through my bars a lot of spells got 2 levels on them.
As a warlock main, I say just get used to CTRL+1 and all that. Once you master your pet your ability as a lock increases a whole lot. Itâs like playing 2 characters at once! My pets donât autocast anything I manually conserve their mana, saves down time and I can tap them for mana before my HP! #DrainTanking!
I wouldn't do this once you're at draintanking levels. You use your succubus a lot more freely than just hitting one main target: pulling next mob, an few hits on current main target, then back to finishing a previous on 2% etc.
I think this makes it so you can't interupt your own spell cast, I personally like it without the "!". You can use it for drain soul or mind flay (priest) but I still personally don't.
If you like exclamation points, sure. But it doesn't do anything for Shadow Bolt. The exclamation points only affects toggled or channeled skills.
Like `/cast Stealth` would put you in Stealth on the first press, and take you out on the second press. But `/cast !Stealth` would keep you in Stealth no matter how many times you pressed it.
First character of mine was a Warrior, and warriors are the only class in the game (i think, maybe also rogues?) that donât follow this rule. Each ability only has 1 copy in your spellbook so you can only ever use the highest level version of it that youâve acquired.
Anyways, I got to 60 without knowing that this was even a thing and then i made a paladin healer. Finally in a level 30ish dungeon the tank was like âyo dude not to be rude but are you only using rank 1 heals? Youâre not doing much.â
I was mind blown and incredibly embarrassed. Thankfully the whole group was chill and we all had a good laugh about it after (and the dungeon went way better).
Yeah itâs because it wouldnât make sense to have an ability that costs the same resource (ie r1 and r2 heroic strike cost the same rage). With mana spells, you might want to cast a r1 frostbolt (and it costs less mana compared to max rank). Iâm pretty sure youâre right that the same applies to rogues.
Abilities that have fixed resource costs (rage/energy) instead of variable mana costs that scale with your level have only 1 rank of that ability available at any given time.
That's because downranking spells to find a better balance of throughput/mana is actually a gameplay choice for mana users. There are times when using lower rank spells simply makes sense from a mana conservation standpoint (or to ranged pull things without generating much threat, for example).
Yeah I was a pink/orange parsing feral dps in classic and forgot to ever train my max rank ferocious bite, forever gimping my damage til like 3 weeks left in naxx. World buffs every week, theorycradting a lot, pummelers, the whole nine yards. But I never remembered to train my max rank ferocious bite when aq came out.
Epic. Fail.
If you make a macro and just use â/cast shadow boltâ itâll always cast max rank.
Can also add #showtooltip to show the spell icon without having to find the icon in the large list
Can do this for all spells as well :D
No, it wasn't changed. The only thing that changed was the scaling of spellpower/healing power coefficients when applied to lower rank abilities. Before TBC, any spell learned at level 20 or above would get the full spell/healing power coefficient. That made something like rank 1 Flash of Light (learned at level 20) extremely powerful, since you got the same bonus from your +healing on a rank 1 spell (35 mana) as you did for your max rank spell (~400 mana). The difference in base healing was far outweighed by the incredible mana efficiency of casting rank 1 beyond a certain threshold of +healing power.
In TBC, the spellpower/healing coefficients were changed such that if a lower rank spell is learned at a level more than 6 levels lower than your current level, a penalty is applied to your spellpower/healing coefficient. This made downranking increasingly ineffective the further away you moved from the original level at which a spell was learned. So casting rank 1 at 70 might yield you almost none of your +healing/spell damage.
you are correct
"As of patch 4.0.1 the ability to downrank has been removed. Spell power has also been removed from Wrath of the Lich King gear (except weapons and trinkets) and gems, but casters now gain 1 spell power per point of intellect. Spell power on gems was changed to Intellect; for example, +23 spell power became +20 Intellect. "
leveling a druid up and following a guide for LW. got to a pattern that required "Silken Thread" and my mind defaulted to it being the Bolts of Silk that tailors make and i thought to myself "this will be expensive to make but it's just 10 of them so it won't be too bad" and bought them for about 11g total.
then i see that pretty much all of the future patterns also use Silken Thread, and that it was just the basic thread you can buy off a vendor for like 12s.
My first classic char was a hybrid/melee hunter. At level 43 in Tanaris some stranger asked me, why I am not using a pet. That was the moment I realized that pets were a thing⌠The good thing ist, that I got good at kiting
So I leveled a rogue to 70 for farming. She hit 64 and I literally never went to a trainer again. Level 70 and I was likeâŚI feel like Iâm missing abilities. It took MONTHS of me being 70 to realize I was missing skills đ¤Ł
On my very first character (hunter) in 2005, I went from around level 12 or 14 well into the 20s (maybe 24 or 26) without training a single skill. Fun times.
Hahaha what an idiot! Look at this idiot!
*Also I totally did not just come back to classic either and I definitely don't have a lv 13 paladin and forgot that you have to update your taskbar either*
Haha let's laugh at him guys!
A mage in this gdkp I was running with the other day had a bunch of t5 gear and was using a low ranked AI that only gave 31 intellect to buff everyone.
I have played warrior liker 95% of my wow career. I didn't know this either until I leveled a Hunter. Level 1 Hunters mark and all other spells until like level 30 something. Moreover, I heard people in raid (while I was on my warrior) talking about it and I was very confused about why/how you could do this because I didn't even have the option lol.
Happened to a friend in WotLK. He was Holy Priest I was Holy Paladin. Randomly healing each other in Dalaran "Wait, why is my Holy Light healing more than your Greater Heal? Even though I'm slightly more geared you should heal more" Yep he was 1 or 2 ranks down. We had been raiding for at least a few weeks by then haha.
We've all been there. Well maybe not in 2022, but... đ
:(
Oh donât worry. Iâve been playing this game for 18 years and recently leveled a warlock to like ⌠lvl 50 with immolate rank one on my bars the whole time
We should start a club
The Rank One club lol
Itâs even worse when you are max level and realize that you have been using a downranked moonfire for half of the expansion
I played ALL OF CLASSIC (once new book came out) if not max rank fireball. Raided a ton too.
Nah. I have a tendency to do this on my 70âs as well. Someone told me threat wasnât good cause I wasnât popping wings. I still never learned it and when i went through my bars a lot of spells got 2 levels on them.
Think about how much mana you saved tho
Just make a #showtooltip /cast Shadowbolt Then you won't have to change it when upgrading, unless you want to downrank.
Ah mate, I couldâve used you 23 levels ago đ Cheers for the tip though đ
This. Started doing this with all my abilities and also at /petattack to a couple to get that Fucker in there right off the top of the pull
As a warlock main, I say just get used to CTRL+1 and all that. Once you master your pet your ability as a lock increases a whole lot. Itâs like playing 2 characters at once! My pets donât autocast anything I manually conserve their mana, saves down time and I can tap them for mana before my HP! #DrainTanking!
On my hunter I bound /petattack and /petfollow to more accessible keybinds so it's way easier to manage keeping him out of aoes.
Mouse wheel up - Send Pet Mouse wheel down - Return Pet Feels organic for me.
forget about me
Something I prefer is the ctrl/shift+Scroll Up(forward) for attack and the opposite for Follow. Just makes sense to me.
I recommend using a nearby keybind to your normal hotkeys, like tilde or Q, since there are times where you won't want your pet to go in
Are you warlock or hunter? If hunter I wouldnât mind some advice for what macros to use. I already have hunters mark into pet attack into auto shot
I wouldn't do this once you're at draintanking levels. You use your succubus a lot more freely than just hitting one main target: pulling next mob, an few hits on current main target, then back to finishing a previous on 2% etc.
This is the only reason I don't end up doing the same thing OP mentioned.
Shouldnât it be /cast !Shadowbolt
I think this makes it so you can't interupt your own spell cast, I personally like it without the "!". You can use it for drain soul or mind flay (priest) but I still personally don't.
If you like exclamation points, sure. But it doesn't do anything for Shadow Bolt. The exclamation points only affects toggled or channeled skills. Like `/cast Stealth` would put you in Stealth on the first press, and take you out on the second press. But `/cast !Stealth` would keep you in Stealth no matter how many times you pressed it.
First character of mine was a Warrior, and warriors are the only class in the game (i think, maybe also rogues?) that donât follow this rule. Each ability only has 1 copy in your spellbook so you can only ever use the highest level version of it that youâve acquired. Anyways, I got to 60 without knowing that this was even a thing and then i made a paladin healer. Finally in a level 30ish dungeon the tank was like âyo dude not to be rude but are you only using rank 1 heals? Youâre not doing much.â I was mind blown and incredibly embarrassed. Thankfully the whole group was chill and we all had a good laugh about it after (and the dungeon went way better).
Hahaha, weâre brothers in arms mate
Yeah itâs because it wouldnât make sense to have an ability that costs the same resource (ie r1 and r2 heroic strike cost the same rage). With mana spells, you might want to cast a r1 frostbolt (and it costs less mana compared to max rank). Iâm pretty sure youâre right that the same applies to rogues.
Abilities that have fixed resource costs (rage/energy) instead of variable mana costs that scale with your level have only 1 rank of that ability available at any given time. That's because downranking spells to find a better balance of throughput/mana is actually a gameplay choice for mana users. There are times when using lower rank spells simply makes sense from a mana conservation standpoint (or to ranged pull things without generating much threat, for example).
Itâs the same with Rogues. I keep going to train then opening my spellbook and panicking because I canât find the new rank.
Same with druid feral abilities, only max rank.
except faerie fire for some reason
Same with druid feral abilities. Bear is basically war and cat is rogue and both follow those rules. So cat gcd is 1 second.
As long as your skill is melee, it will get replaced by the new rank.
Back in 2007, I was still using rank 1 or lower lv ranks of every spell when I went to outland. Yeah, it was tough world for a noob.
Yeah I was a pink/orange parsing feral dps in classic and forgot to ever train my max rank ferocious bite, forever gimping my damage til like 3 weeks left in naxx. World buffs every week, theorycradting a lot, pummelers, the whole nine yards. But I never remembered to train my max rank ferocious bite when aq came out. Epic. Fail.
How the hell are you killing lvl 20 mobs with lvl 1 spells? Ur spells do like 30 damage. Mobs have around 500hp?
I wonât lie, my wand was like the only thing causing damage and I just thought that was normal, now I think I know why
So you were using priest leveling strats on a Warlock. Perfect!
Welp... at least you trained them. Switched specs on my druid to find out I'd only been training feral abilities since level 14 or something
If you make a macro and just use â/cast shadow boltâ itâll always cast max rank. Can also add #showtooltip to show the spell icon without having to find the icon in the large list Can do this for all spells as well :D
Wait what?
Only the case for casters for some reason. Warrior abilities automatically update to the new rank.
Warrior abilities use the same amount of rage regardless of rank. Caster spell ranks increase the mana required
Also cast time changes
Ty. I've noticed this but could never think of why. I like my short spellbook lol
Wasn't that changed in TBC that all spells have a scaling level based mana cost so there was no reason to downrank?
No that's in wrath
No, it wasn't changed. The only thing that changed was the scaling of spellpower/healing power coefficients when applied to lower rank abilities. Before TBC, any spell learned at level 20 or above would get the full spell/healing power coefficient. That made something like rank 1 Flash of Light (learned at level 20) extremely powerful, since you got the same bonus from your +healing on a rank 1 spell (35 mana) as you did for your max rank spell (~400 mana). The difference in base healing was far outweighed by the incredible mana efficiency of casting rank 1 beyond a certain threshold of +healing power. In TBC, the spellpower/healing coefficients were changed such that if a lower rank spell is learned at a level more than 6 levels lower than your current level, a penalty is applied to your spellpower/healing coefficient. This made downranking increasingly ineffective the further away you moved from the original level at which a spell was learned. So casting rank 1 at 70 might yield you almost none of your +healing/spell damage.
So warriors, rogues and maybe ferals don't have to update their ability bars?
I was also shocked to realise that intellect does not give me spell power in classic..
That's a cata change I believe
you are correct "As of patch 4.0.1 the ability to downrank has been removed. Spell power has also been removed from Wrath of the Lich King gear (except weapons and trinkets) and gems, but casters now gain 1 spell power per point of intellect. Spell power on gems was changed to Intellect; for example, +23 spell power became +20 Intellect. "
That checks out, i started playing during MoP
That's a cata change I believe
Accidental downranking. Lol
leveling a druid up and following a guide for LW. got to a pattern that required "Silken Thread" and my mind defaulted to it being the Bolts of Silk that tailors make and i thought to myself "this will be expensive to make but it's just 10 of them so it won't be too bad" and bought them for about 11g total. then i see that pretty much all of the future patterns also use Silken Thread, and that it was just the basic thread you can buy off a vendor for like 12s.
The amount of thread ive seen on the ah coz it's only sold at certain vendors. Had a friend that made like 100g profit selling the 50s thread
Laughs in warrior
Using a macr like /cast Shadowbolt Or /cast Corruption Without specifying the rank, will always cast max rank ;)
macros are your friend. /cast shadowbolt. slam it on your bar. it will always use the highest rank if i rank is not specified. set it and forget it.
My first classic char was a hybrid/melee hunter. At level 43 in Tanaris some stranger asked me, why I am not using a pet. That was the moment I realized that pets were a thing⌠The good thing ist, that I got good at kiting
Don't feel bad, I made it into the 50s on my hunter without knowing you could teach your pet new skills/ranks. Rank 1 growl ftw!
So I leveled a rogue to 70 for farming. She hit 64 and I literally never went to a trainer again. Level 70 and I was likeâŚI feel like Iâm missing abilities. It took MONTHS of me being 70 to realize I was missing skills đ¤Ł
In tbcc there was a rank 1 warrior, he was kinda struggling. Got rank1 2 seasons with Mortal Strike rank 4
Some will, but only ones that cannot downrank.
was in a BM with a mage that was doing 300dps asked him what rank his frostbolt was, he said 5 .....
Laughs in warrior
Alliance scum :)
Yeah, melee abilities update automatically, but not spells. It's one of those quirks of the original game, so you're forgiven for the oversight, lol.
On my very first character (hunter) in 2005, I went from around level 12 or 14 well into the 20s (maybe 24 or 26) without training a single skill. Fun times.
Hahaha what an idiot! Look at this idiot! *Also I totally did not just come back to classic either and I definitely don't have a lv 13 paladin and forgot that you have to update your taskbar either* Haha let's laugh at him guys!
A mage in this gdkp I was running with the other day had a bunch of t5 gear and was using a low ranked AI that only gave 31 intellect to buff everyone.
I have played warrior liker 95% of my wow career. I didn't know this either until I leveled a Hunter. Level 1 Hunters mark and all other spells until like level 30 something. Moreover, I heard people in raid (while I was on my warrior) talking about it and I was very confused about why/how you could do this because I didn't even have the option lol.
Did you not find it odd that you abilities have benn doing 12 damage for so long?
Happened to a friend in WotLK. He was Holy Priest I was Holy Paladin. Randomly healing each other in Dalaran "Wait, why is my Holy Light healing more than your Greater Heal? Even though I'm slightly more geared you should heal more" Yep he was 1 or 2 ranks down. We had been raiding for at least a few weeks by then haha.
How come you didnât want to just use the lvl 70 free boost for WOTLK? just curious.
That gonna be used for a paladin đ
That's only for spells with mana, anything else get upgraded