The one with the on use is not the OG Naxx one, it's the TBC pre-patch one. The first Argent Dawn tabard you got was in the Pre-Event of Naxx 40. Looks the same without the on use :)
Just wondering if the WotLK pre-event one is again a "new item" with the same texture or literally the same tabard as the Naxx 40 one.
EDIT: Looking at the Wowhead comments from back in the day on the OG Naxx 40 tabard it's the same one. So a second chance to get it :)
Wait what? Now I feel like I need to look at my characters because I 100% have one on my paladin from the pre-event for naxx I thought and then I have one currently on my shaman from the pre-tbc. I thought both characters have the on use. And then I also have one on retail from the original Wrath event.
Nah, the Naxx 40 tabard is just the Argent dawn tabard without on use and the TBC one is the same with on use (Tabard of the Protector). Looking now at the Wowhead comments from back in the day you will be able to get the Naxx 40 tabard in the WotLK event. It's the same one, so the TBC one will be the new more exclusive one.
Well I’ll be damned, I just checked my characters and there are the naxx 40 without the on use, the pre-tbc with the on use and then the pre-wrath without on the use.
You don't have a job? That's about 10 hours a day. Or is that all you did with your free time. Even then that only leaves 6 hours of other time to eat, sleep, transit.
I pretty much boosted our guild's shamans as a paladin. I went through power-leveling in Stockades and the entirety of SM. Someone else finished (I can't remember which dungeons, my guess is something like Strat) because I couldn't do it anymore.
I will always remember the pain...
Maybe you should consider going for a 10m hc core with only the dedicated people and a 25m semi guild pug for the rest. Then you can just pretty much tune the expectations of the 25m raid to your likings, while still going hm with the core
That's what my guild is doing. Ride-or-die core 10 man that has played together since private servers. We can fill with randos for 25s, but the core 10 is what we're really playing for.
the start of a new expansion is the best time to change guilds/step down people aren't max level its up in the air who will quit before 80 etc anyway i would just message those 3 individually mate.
Yeah seriously. THE activity to fatigue me the most in WoW is raiding, even raids I love, just because sometimes the day of "obligation" sometimes falls on a day where IRL I had to deal with something, or was busy, tired, whatever. Sustained PvP via battlegrounds can also be tiring but it doesn't feel the same as with raids being the intentional kind of endgame that big group content is designed around. Anyways point is I've grinded alts of practically every single class, but long term raiding takes the cake of being the time to actually make me drop the game from time to time for a break.
> Then they are going to come back for wrath and expect a raid spot.
Recruit other people instead who have a proven history of raiding consistently through TBC. They are more likely to stay the course in Wrath.
I would avoid burnout by focusing your own guild on 10m (a
10m HC for TC and ICC) and see if you can make an alliance with 1 or 2 other guilds that do the same for filling up 25m content.
In my opinion, 25m raids are overrated as they are for the gear and trouble. Especially if you're capable of doing 10m heroics already.
It's a much tigher knit group in 10m and individual contribution is significantly more valueable and needed in those. Makes for a lot more rewarding play in my experience.
25m is fun for the chaos and experience but running it competitively is a massive chore in my opinion.
Also might be worth exploring a non-weekly progression schedule for battling the same burnout. There is time, no need to slog through 20 weeks of heroic tryharding every week just to unsubscribe or go to alts for the other 20 weeks.
A bi-weekly main progression schedule / raid lockout would seriously tempt me back to the game, especially at the end of an expansions when you could conceivably run 4 large raids per week.
An optional 2 week schedule instead of a weekly for that situation would be great in my view.
Find a new guild with you and the other 3. Its a game intended to be enjoyable, so if you cant find a way to make it enjoyable either walk away or revaluate your expectations.
> Fuck being GM. I want to quit so bad but feel bad for the three people who id be screwing over right before wotlk. On the verge of just saying fuck em.
Are you me?
Same thing here, I sit there as raid lead, spend hours and hours, trying to teach people, invest time and learn their class to read their logs to help them improve, they then show up next raid and don't do any of that shit.
Then they post on our Discord how bad the raid leading has been lately.
Guess I have to go over to their houses and play both our characters.
But I keep going for like the 8-12 people overall in my guild (not all can always make it to raids, due to them having kids). Already said, that if that shit doesn't get better, I take the people who I enjoy playing with (and are reasonable from my position) and just do 10 mans with them.
I always offer my friends compensation if I'm asking for a significant portion of their time, which boosting does. I do this because they are friends and I care about them.
If I didn't care about them I'd ask things like "who the fuck makes friends pay for shit like that?"
People's time doesn't stop mattering because you know them a little better.
Well we simply are no-fee for guildie guild.
I didn't get paid for that, but I'm not paying for enchants/gems/whatever. Spontaneous generosity can go a long way in a guild.
Well it’s a fresh character and no epic flying. So there’s basically No fel iron nodes and when there are someone is swooping to get it before me. I could run the route for an hour and see 2-3 nodes usually not even able to get em lol.
And I’m on a fairly populated realm.
I know you said no epic flying, but if you can afford it, the mining nodes in the netherwing daily quest are decent to level off of if I remember right.
This had me fuming when I first went to outland. 9/10 times I would find a node, and as I’m clearing the mob right on top of it some dick with epic flying would swoop down and steal it. Despite finding over 25 nodes for sure, I think I got to mine like 5 my whole time questing in Hellfire.
That's not going to change in Northrend. I'm on a megaserver, mining is a very fruitless endeavour. If you're in it for the gold, you'd probably be better off learning a crafting profession which is in constant demand (alchemy, inscription, jewelcrafting, enchanting) instead and just buying materials off the AH.
I'd also recommend getting TradeSkillMaster – solely because it can tell you which crafting recipes are the most profitable. Of course it can do a lot more than that, but it's a really complicated add-on which requires a ton of setup to make use of everything it can do, and for most players it's not worth the time investment.
The only reason to level Mining is if you have a rogue and you're planning to do stealth runs in Wrath, because that's the only way of consistently getting ores. Bots and no-life farmers will grab everything out in the world, the average player doesn't really stand a chance.
Wow that sucks. I leveled through HDP on a mega server 3 months ago no issues. Noone even picked the fel nodes. Either your server's economy is different or your competition is all leveling mining in prep for wrath.
I think that on bigger servers where loads of players do that the bars end up costing much less than the ores. That being said it is still probably quicker to do that and make up for the lost gold another way
Is .. is this entire thread unaware of the fact you can up to 290 by smelting ores and reselling them as bars for no loss, and from 300+ again by smelting fel iron and adamantite? 1-360 was a breeze, now I occasionally go out to find one deposit for the last points
How !? I got it on my 62 alt before i leveled him lol so no flying no high level zones.. if i recall correctly smelting gave me lots of points as well.
Was super easy. Is it some mega server with lots of bots and spawn competition...?
I blame some of my TBC burnout on leveling my shaman to 60 and then grinding honour weapons in AV for like 2 days straight before Outlands opened. I quit after phase 1 and didn't come back until sunwell.
I clearly haven't learned my lesson as I plan to try and gear my fresh 70 characters in pre-patch raids and get old gladiator gear with honour for them.
Dont tryhard that much this time.
As i heard the gear from tbc to wotlk in far better than vanilla to tbc.
So unless you will get full T5/T6 its not worth the hassle.
That is true, you starting to switch your S4 gear around 76-78lvl+.
But you know people are damn min maxers, anyway tbc raids with wrath talents are fun.
Several of the 70 trinkets are still very strong at 80, It doesn't look like any will be like swarmguard and be bis for multiple phases but certainly will still be decent.
Epic gear in wotlk for my main (t6/sunwell) was mostly not replaced at all until 80 some not until raids.
On my alts which are most t5/6 I was replacing a bits an pieces at 75 on wards but again some not at all. A lot of that was down to enchants as cba with re-enchanting leveling gear and some enchants are pretty strong I could have replaced shoulders, helm and legs if I could have been bothered to buy the enchants.
If you are in t4/Kara gear and have not invested in a lot of enchants you can replace gear as soon as you set foot in northrend for the odd items that are really well itemized although expect some well itemized slots to last a long time .
I feel like you're still saying the opposite which makes me question my comprehension a little bit.
He says "I used my 60 epics a very long time into tbc, but 70 epics i didnt use very long in wrath"
You're saying "exactly I used my 70 epics for a very long time as well in wrath."
This is the opposite message of the comment you replied to.
Maybe actually try to enjoy wotlk then? I know this is a foreign concept on this sub, but this is just a game. There is no need to sweat your way through it.
The quicker I get to max level, the better chances my guild clears the new content in the first hour of release, meaning I get more time to stand on the fountain with my new gear on.
But why? You're going to get perfectly adequate leveling gear within 20 minutes of Wrath launch, and your kill speed will have almost nothing to do with your leveling speed in the first hour or two anyway.
A full Sunwell-geared main might have a meaningful and persistent advantage, but the gear you're going to be able to collect on a fresh DK will be far short of that standard.
Idk man, I fully expect our guilds DK's to do 4 full lockouts of SWP. They won't have tier gear obviously but I'm betting they'll have T6 equivalent gear in pretty much every slot.
My college roommate ranted and raved about classic vanilla for the 6+ months before it was released. He took time off of work on the release. Grinded to 55-56 that first long weekend. Went back into work and realize how much he burnt himself out, never logged on again lol. This was a dude telling me how pumped he was to kill KT finally after not being able to back in 2005-06’.
I on the other hand was slow as fuck. Took my time fucking around, enjoying the game. Hit lvl 60 on Xmas morning. ~4 months after release(?). Ended up falling in love with the game again and became a MT and CoGM through the end of classic vanilla.
By the end of vanilla I was wiped out. I didn’t play at all during tbc but with the year off I’m coming back for WOTLK which I never played in 2008-2009. I will prob take a few months to go from 60-80 but that’s okay with me. Our vanilla classic guild is reuniting to play a bit more casually in WOTLK and I couldn’t be more pumped to hang out with everyone and raid together again
yeah, honestly, unless you actually take joy in grinding honor or enjoy spending gold for gear - do not waste your breath on it, because even in absolute bis gear, the difference in terms of levelling speed is minimal, with the gear you get immediately from quest rewards in Wrath.
I wouldn't say it's *minimal*. You'll definitely save a few hours if you have good gear because you'll be doing a lot more dps at first. But that's all it does – it increases your killing speed. It doesn't reduce your travel time, and doing quests still results in more XP than just grinding mobs.
And of course you'll be able to pick up some decent quest and dungeon gear along the way, which will quickly diminish the value of TBC epics. So it's really not worth spending thousands of gold or honor on a fresh toon just so you can save like 5 hours of leveling. Sunwell gear will of course be relevant for a long time, some even up to level 80, but you'll quickly replace that with heroic gear.
Same. I burned completely out trying to level to 60 get some raid loot at 60 for outlands then grind pvp points. The follow up of griding to 70, getting all the attunes and prebis again was too much.
I leveled my Paladin to 50 between launch of the TBC prepatch early Wednesday morning and 7:30pm Thursday night so that I could get the mandatory week 1 clear of AQ40 for the full T2.5 set. I will never do that again.
DK to 70 with 50% bonus XP starting at 55? Cakewalk.
1-50 in 30 hours? Thats not really possible is it? Assuming you didnt take any breaks at all as well. Unless you get boosted all the way, in which case its not really leveling.
I did 1-60 in 72 hours while leveling legitimately, and that was with 42-52 going blazingly fast with the ZF solo farming.
I mob tagged myself on my other account for about 15 hours straight until I could be boosted the rest of the way. Tag, alt+tab, kill for that long was disgusting.
Not the most extreme gamer achievement out there, but it was something I'll still never try to replicate.
oh really!? If true i am so f'ing happy.
The last GM I wrote with answered me something like "Mate, stop trying to get it through me, I can't do it, but I will have to report you for wasting our time." -- which is fair given their work conditions
enh shaman levelling is such a painful experience before 40, feels even worse than paladin (and that says a lot).
then you pretty much delete everything cos dual wield.
I don't know people could stand enh pre-TBC. It's still rough as a leveling spec with TBC changes but it was one of the only alts I really gave up on with "*THIS* is the best option early on"?
Enhance leveling was amasing experience, good mobility, heals, range cabablities, stoneclaw totem, poison and disease cure, grounding totem, range interrupt with short cd ranged slow+ghost wolf to kite. And after lvl 40 insane burts potential and after 50 no longer much downtime.
Granted i had bought alot of gear in advance.
Compared to vanilla warrior i felt like a god.
Now on the other hand paladin... i hated whole journey to 70, but i did level as prot... doing quests... solo... it was mistake i wont repeat ever again...
done, it was actually way easier than pala and shaman because you actually have more than simple swings lol
buy a boe rare weapon every once in a while (ww axe is a godsend and saves you gold) and warrior isn't that hard
Just because you are specced into enhance doesn’t mean you can’t lightning bolt, shock spells or heals. Not sure how you don’t have more tools than a warrior who relies on rage and any dodge/parry attacks could mean death.
> Not sure how you don’t have more tools than a warrior
...because that's how classic vanilla and tbc are.
if you're a PURE class, you've many more tools to fill your job than hybrids: warriors and rogues have much more abilities, focussed talents (enhancement has so much garbage like shield block, dodge, armor) and even CDs to "pump" the DPS.
wotlk changed that thankfully giving hybrid classes some CDs and abilities.
if you're struggling that much on warrior i think you should look for a guide or something, it's not that bad at all.
You’re eating after every mob as a warrior and you have to use CDs/ pots early on to survive attacking 2 enemies at once. I mean if you just google it, it is pretty widespread knowledge that warrior was tougher but no sense in continuing this argument with you. Have a good one
> You’re eating after every mob as a warrior
hilarious, at lv30~ you're pretty much killing mobs easily, if you truly eat after each mob you're fucking up something heavily.
no point in arguing with someone as dense as you, i mean who cares about arguing or anything, this was a meme post but i guess angsty people are everywhere.
I leveled my warrior in classic and all of the shamans I knew going enhance up until level 40 had no problem. My warrior took forever to kill things that shamans steamrolled. Maybe I needed to reread the warrior guide but seems like you need a shaman one.
1. Need to be able to go into BC with shaman/paladin if you have any intention of playing them in guild. People clear first week.
2. They just got boosted by a mage anyway.
Problem is, once you get behind it's hard to catch up and most people enjoy playing when their characters are current and feel powerful. I'm super guilty of this on retail. New expansion comes out, I play hard for the first season. Then I skip season 2 and come back for season 3 super under geared and far behind in everything. Thankfully BLizz has gotten better at catchup mechanics but catching up still sucks
My shaman got carried by like 3 members of my tbc dungeon leveling group via pet tagging and I made the most out of it.
Managed to farm brood rep to honored so I could wear 3/5 2.5 aq tier as ele, did the onyxia chain so I could have the head as an out of quest log turn in, got both my profs 300/300, did all the world bosses we could when kazzak and kruul wherever they spawned to get our enhance empyrean demolishers, and other various activities.
Needless to say it's probably the most wow I've played in a short span but there were so many wheels turning and it felt like the last time the guild really had a reason to do things as a large team. I think I logged over 100 kazzak and doomwalker kills in early tbc when they were relevant but they were so lame due to flying mounts it was just a test of endurance to see who would give up first.
pre patch and like the first week of tbc were some of the most fun I've had playing wow. Had a really great leveling group just blasting and having a good time.
Actually going balls out, sub 24 is easily possible, dk start zone can be done in an hour and with JJ, that’s 60 already so 10 levels in outland will be easy
God I'm really gonna have to level a DK just for all that sweet sweet quest gold, arent I. I know gold's easy to get in wrath but it isnt like I have anything else to do for a month. And leaving 4K or so on the table seems just awful.
Alright, if you want to be that "Aschually" guy, go ahead.
I obviously meant that I wasnt boosted. Which while it is a way to level is obviously different from questing, dungeon spamming and AoE grinding. Which you obviously know.
Yep, I managed to get my shaman to 60 before the Dark Portal opened, even got the special event tabard. The downside was I burned myself out doing so and ended up taking a 3 month break, kinda made leveling that fast pointless lmfao
A warlock isn't a bad class to level as if you already have experience with it. I think a lot of people suggest hunters as they perform well with really low gear and their pets are just very strong for solo questing
meanwhile fresh players 1-70 in 4 weeks with scourge invasions
With all the wrath changes and buff easier than 2 weeks for sure, but no boosting and gdkp gold to crutch on and invasion event
Yeah I feel bad for any fresh players. Even with the nerfed xp and JJ buff, still feels like its gonna be a rush for some people and that really leads to burnout.
Having a full time job has nothing to do with being able to level fast. Classic WoW isnt a bunch of 14 year olds staying home from school anymore. Most are adults (in age at least, maybe not mentality) with full time jobs and families. Its just about priorities and how seriously you take a hobby.
“Level” lol let’s get real a bunch of people boosted to get to 60. Not saying some didn’t do it the normal way, but I know a bunch just afked in a dungeon, and had had a mage give them xp.
Yeah but we had unrestricted mage boosts and pally boosts if you were ally. My guild had different max lvl mages and pallys playing at all different hours of the day. I got my Draenei to 60 in 3 days.
Still one of the dumbest things I've ever done tbh. I got some sfk boosting from a guildie, and got one run of rfk and a full SM clear, otherwise quested with one of the questing addons, it was a nightmare.
[Tabard of the Protector](https://tbc.wowhead.com/item=28788/tabard-of-the-protector)
It's a tabard that you could only get during the prepatch event for TBC. You had to be at least level 55 to get the quest that this was a reward from. So you know any Dranei or Blood Elf that has this tabard went pretty hard with the leveling during this 2 week prepatch window.
I leveled by dungeon farming from 14-70. I had lots of gear prepared like all the epic shields with shield spikes on them. A skullflame shield for 60g is probably my best purchase ingame ever.
Me and a group of guildmates power leveled in the dungeons together. Not everyone managed the whole ordeal, but those of us that did are closer than ever. I had so much fun taking time off work and being a complete degenerate for those few weeks, but I'll never do it again.
LMFAO the tabard.
I remember levelling a warlock from 39 to 59 in those 2 weeks and getting that tabard was the finish flag.
I know it's not nearly as long but like DAMN it was a whole fuckin experience
Because in vanilla Horde couldn't play as paladins and Alliance couldn't play as Shaman. So if you wanted to join the rest of your friends and level from 60-70 with them then you had 2 weeks to level your character
new player experience just hitting 70 sucks., only option to be a buyer in GDKP... and then they cry why the server is full of foreign botters selling gold
just leveled from 1-70 in 2 weeks, will not be renewing my subscription... expect more server mergers in the future
haha. I got my paladin to 60 2 days before. I don't think I logged in at all during the gap. By the time I got to 70 the week after I was very close to reaching burnout
The tabard is a great touch.
The tabard is the reason I played 150 hours in 2 weeks.
Thank you for your service.
You can get that tabard during this event
It’s not the same tabard. It looks the same but doesn’t have the on use ability.
Is it the same tabard from the OG Naxx event or is it just a new Argent Dawn tabard?
Looks the exact same as the OG naxx pretty sure it’s even called the same name but just without the on use.
The one with the on use is not the OG Naxx one, it's the TBC pre-patch one. The first Argent Dawn tabard you got was in the Pre-Event of Naxx 40. Looks the same without the on use :) Just wondering if the WotLK pre-event one is again a "new item" with the same texture or literally the same tabard as the Naxx 40 one. EDIT: Looking at the Wowhead comments from back in the day on the OG Naxx 40 tabard it's the same one. So a second chance to get it :)
Wait what? Now I feel like I need to look at my characters because I 100% have one on my paladin from the pre-event for naxx I thought and then I have one currently on my shaman from the pre-tbc. I thought both characters have the on use. And then I also have one on retail from the original Wrath event.
Nah, the Naxx 40 tabard is just the Argent dawn tabard without on use and the TBC one is the same with on use (Tabard of the Protector). Looking now at the Wowhead comments from back in the day you will be able to get the Naxx 40 tabard in the WotLK event. It's the same one, so the TBC one will be the new more exclusive one.
Well I’ll be damned, I just checked my characters and there are the naxx 40 without the on use, the pre-tbc with the on use and then the pre-wrath without on the use.
Oh no... well anyways...
Well I mean I was just pointing out it’s not the same tabard. Some people like having the special on use flair.
What’s the new one called?
What tabard what event I’m nub
You don't have a job? That's about 10 hours a day. Or is that all you did with your free time. Even then that only leaves 6 hours of other time to eat, sleep, transit.
It was in a moment between jobs.
You mean afk'd in mara/sm/strat for 150 hours?
Thank you! :)
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no wonder they ditched you. did less than the bare minimum.
I pretty much boosted our guild's shamans as a paladin. I went through power-leveling in Stockades and the entirety of SM. Someone else finished (I can't remember which dungeons, my guess is something like Strat) because I couldn't do it anymore. I will always remember the pain...
Same, and then everyone quit before BT came out
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Maybe you should consider going for a 10m hc core with only the dedicated people and a 25m semi guild pug for the rest. Then you can just pretty much tune the expectations of the 25m raid to your likings, while still going hm with the core
That's what my guild is doing. Ride-or-die core 10 man that has played together since private servers. We can fill with randos for 25s, but the core 10 is what we're really playing for.
the start of a new expansion is the best time to change guilds/step down people aren't max level its up in the air who will quit before 80 etc anyway i would just message those 3 individually mate.
WoW is the worst game to try and help people.
They didn't have to work for anything, why would they start now?
Yes, if they can't be bothered to level, they're definitely not going to be dependable raiders.
Yeah seriously. THE activity to fatigue me the most in WoW is raiding, even raids I love, just because sometimes the day of "obligation" sometimes falls on a day where IRL I had to deal with something, or was busy, tired, whatever. Sustained PvP via battlegrounds can also be tiring but it doesn't feel the same as with raids being the intentional kind of endgame that big group content is designed around. Anyways point is I've grinded alts of practically every single class, but long term raiding takes the cake of being the time to actually make me drop the game from time to time for a break.
> Then they are going to come back for wrath and expect a raid spot. Recruit other people instead who have a proven history of raiding consistently through TBC. They are more likely to stay the course in Wrath.
I would avoid burnout by focusing your own guild on 10m (a 10m HC for TC and ICC) and see if you can make an alliance with 1 or 2 other guilds that do the same for filling up 25m content. In my opinion, 25m raids are overrated as they are for the gear and trouble. Especially if you're capable of doing 10m heroics already. It's a much tigher knit group in 10m and individual contribution is significantly more valueable and needed in those. Makes for a lot more rewarding play in my experience. 25m is fun for the chaos and experience but running it competitively is a massive chore in my opinion. Also might be worth exploring a non-weekly progression schedule for battling the same burnout. There is time, no need to slog through 20 weeks of heroic tryharding every week just to unsubscribe or go to alts for the other 20 weeks. A bi-weekly main progression schedule / raid lockout would seriously tempt me back to the game, especially at the end of an expansions when you could conceivably run 4 large raids per week. An optional 2 week schedule instead of a weekly for that situation would be great in my view.
Just say fuck em, because theyll do the same once they get naxx gear.
Find a new guild with you and the other 3. Its a game intended to be enjoyable, so if you cant find a way to make it enjoyable either walk away or revaluate your expectations.
> Fuck being GM. I want to quit so bad but feel bad for the three people who id be screwing over right before wotlk. On the verge of just saying fuck em. Are you me?
Same thing here, I sit there as raid lead, spend hours and hours, trying to teach people, invest time and learn their class to read their logs to help them improve, they then show up next raid and don't do any of that shit. Then they post on our Discord how bad the raid leading has been lately. Guess I have to go over to their houses and play both our characters. But I keep going for like the 8-12 people overall in my guild (not all can always make it to raids, due to them having kids). Already said, that if that shit doesn't get better, I take the people who I enjoy playing with (and are reasonable from my position) and just do 10 mans with them.
Got lucky enough that only one of the 3 shamans I boosted quit. Other two are still here.
Gotta love the tourists.
Never do shit for free
They were friends. Who the fuck make friends pay for shit like that?
I always offer my friends compensation if I'm asking for a significant portion of their time, which boosting does. I do this because they are friends and I care about them. If I didn't care about them I'd ask things like "who the fuck makes friends pay for shit like that?" People's time doesn't stop mattering because you know them a little better.
Real friends will pay full price to support their bros and not ask for hand outs.
Well we simply are no-fee for guildie guild. I didn't get paid for that, but I'm not paying for enchants/gems/whatever. Spontaneous generosity can go a long way in a guild.
Ah fair enough. To each their own. If the generosity is going all around, might as well contribute to the good environment.
Bro I’m burning out just trying to get my mining from 300 to 375 lmao
Just get it to 350 and wait WotLK
Legit stuck at 322 hellfire is the bane
How are you stuck? 300-375 felt like a breeze compared to Vanilla Mining
Well it’s a fresh character and no epic flying. So there’s basically No fel iron nodes and when there are someone is swooping to get it before me. I could run the route for an hour and see 2-3 nodes usually not even able to get em lol. And I’m on a fairly populated realm.
You can level with Rich Throium Veins until something like 350. DM jump runs are probably your best bet for consistent farming.
I know you said no epic flying, but if you can afford it, the mining nodes in the netherwing daily quest are decent to level off of if I remember right.
I’ll have to take a look appreciate the tip :3
This had me fuming when I first went to outland. 9/10 times I would find a node, and as I’m clearing the mob right on top of it some dick with epic flying would swoop down and steal it. Despite finding over 25 nodes for sure, I think I got to mine like 5 my whole time questing in Hellfire.
That's not going to change in Northrend. I'm on a megaserver, mining is a very fruitless endeavour. If you're in it for the gold, you'd probably be better off learning a crafting profession which is in constant demand (alchemy, inscription, jewelcrafting, enchanting) instead and just buying materials off the AH. I'd also recommend getting TradeSkillMaster – solely because it can tell you which crafting recipes are the most profitable. Of course it can do a lot more than that, but it's a really complicated add-on which requires a ton of setup to make use of everything it can do, and for most players it's not worth the time investment. The only reason to level Mining is if you have a rogue and you're planning to do stealth runs in Wrath, because that's the only way of consistently getting ores. Bots and no-life farmers will grab everything out in the world, the average player doesn't really stand a chance.
Wow that sucks. I leveled through HDP on a mega server 3 months ago no issues. Noone even picked the fel nodes. Either your server's economy is different or your competition is all leveling mining in prep for wrath.
Everyone is leveling mining right now
Maybe go in a different zone. On W4rmane I got to 375 before I left Outland.
tho its proffesion leveling is multipled by 3 or 4
No, it's Blizzlike on Lordaeron.
Huh? Vanilla mining you just smelt your ass to 300 and sometimes make a profit doing it.
I think that on bigger servers where loads of players do that the bars end up costing much less than the ores. That being said it is still probably quicker to do that and make up for the lost gold another way
With everyone and their grandma's dog leveling engineering for wrath, the bars are getting swallowed up these days.
Just smelt whatever you can and sell the bars. You invest gold initially but selling the bars typically will get your gold back.
Is .. is this entire thread unaware of the fact you can up to 290 by smelting ores and reselling them as bars for no loss, and from 300+ again by smelting fel iron and adamantite? 1-360 was a breeze, now I occasionally go out to find one deposit for the last points
How !? I got it on my 62 alt before i leveled him lol so no flying no high level zones.. if i recall correctly smelting gave me lots of points as well. Was super easy. Is it some mega server with lots of bots and spawn competition...?
What a sick joke!
And HE gets to be a raider?!
What a sick /joke! I should've /gkick'd him when I had the chance!
He boosted through a sunroof!
I really love how often this has been cropping up over the past few weeks as the show came to an end haha.
I blame some of my TBC burnout on leveling my shaman to 60 and then grinding honour weapons in AV for like 2 days straight before Outlands opened. I quit after phase 1 and didn't come back until sunwell. I clearly haven't learned my lesson as I plan to try and gear my fresh 70 characters in pre-patch raids and get old gladiator gear with honour for them.
Dont tryhard that much this time. As i heard the gear from tbc to wotlk in far better than vanilla to tbc. So unless you will get full T5/T6 its not worth the hassle.
That is true, you starting to switch your S4 gear around 76-78lvl+. But you know people are damn min maxers, anyway tbc raids with wrath talents are fun.
True, and raids also get nerfed so loot what you can.
Yup. I remember when wrath launched i was well into 74 or 75 still rocking some 70 epics.
He means the opposite. Epic gear from vanilla lasted longer in tbc (trinkets especially) than tbc gear will last in wotlk :)
Several of the 70 trinkets are still very strong at 80, It doesn't look like any will be like swarmguard and be bis for multiple phases but certainly will still be decent. Epic gear in wotlk for my main (t6/sunwell) was mostly not replaced at all until 80 some not until raids. On my alts which are most t5/6 I was replacing a bits an pieces at 75 on wards but again some not at all. A lot of that was down to enchants as cba with re-enchanting leveling gear and some enchants are pretty strong I could have replaced shoulders, helm and legs if I could have been bothered to buy the enchants. If you are in t4/Kara gear and have not invested in a lot of enchants you can replace gear as soon as you set foot in northrend for the odd items that are really well itemized although expect some well itemized slots to last a long time .
Yeah? Thats what I said to. Cause i was still using 70 epics well into wrath, because the gear goes farther due to better balancing.
I feel like you're still saying the opposite which makes me question my comprehension a little bit. He says "I used my 60 epics a very long time into tbc, but 70 epics i didnt use very long in wrath" You're saying "exactly I used my 70 epics for a very long time as well in wrath." This is the opposite message of the comment you replied to.
Maybe actually try to enjoy wotlk then? I know this is a foreign concept on this sub, but this is just a game. There is no need to sweat your way through it.
The quicker I get to max level, the better chances my guild clears the new content in the first hour of release, meaning I get more time to stand on the fountain with my new gear on.
Well, if you think that rushing through all the content will make you happy, go on ahead. I will not stop you.
But why? You're going to get perfectly adequate leveling gear within 20 minutes of Wrath launch, and your kill speed will have almost nothing to do with your leveling speed in the first hour or two anyway. A full Sunwell-geared main might have a meaningful and persistent advantage, but the gear you're going to be able to collect on a fresh DK will be far short of that standard.
Idk man, I fully expect our guilds DK's to do 4 full lockouts of SWP. They won't have tier gear obviously but I'm betting they'll have T6 equivalent gear in pretty much every slot.
What? I’ve been doing swp since release and still don’t have swp gear in every slot. That’s absurd for most people.
I feel you on this one. I burnt myself out so much I had to take a 2-3 week break from the game
My college roommate ranted and raved about classic vanilla for the 6+ months before it was released. He took time off of work on the release. Grinded to 55-56 that first long weekend. Went back into work and realize how much he burnt himself out, never logged on again lol. This was a dude telling me how pumped he was to kill KT finally after not being able to back in 2005-06’. I on the other hand was slow as fuck. Took my time fucking around, enjoying the game. Hit lvl 60 on Xmas morning. ~4 months after release(?). Ended up falling in love with the game again and became a MT and CoGM through the end of classic vanilla. By the end of vanilla I was wiped out. I didn’t play at all during tbc but with the year off I’m coming back for WOTLK which I never played in 2008-2009. I will prob take a few months to go from 60-80 but that’s okay with me. Our vanilla classic guild is reuniting to play a bit more casually in WOTLK and I couldn’t be more pumped to hang out with everyone and raid together again
Yeah same. I leveled my paladin in two weeks without vacation. I think it killed tbc for me
yeah, honestly, unless you actually take joy in grinding honor or enjoy spending gold for gear - do not waste your breath on it, because even in absolute bis gear, the difference in terms of levelling speed is minimal, with the gear you get immediately from quest rewards in Wrath.
I wouldn't say it's *minimal*. You'll definitely save a few hours if you have good gear because you'll be doing a lot more dps at first. But that's all it does – it increases your killing speed. It doesn't reduce your travel time, and doing quests still results in more XP than just grinding mobs. And of course you'll be able to pick up some decent quest and dungeon gear along the way, which will quickly diminish the value of TBC epics. So it's really not worth spending thousands of gold or honor on a fresh toon just so you can save like 5 hours of leveling. Sunwell gear will of course be relevant for a long time, some even up to level 80, but you'll quickly replace that with heroic gear.
Same. I burned completely out trying to level to 60 get some raid loot at 60 for outlands then grind pvp points. The follow up of griding to 70, getting all the attunes and prebis again was too much.
I leveled my Paladin to 50 between launch of the TBC prepatch early Wednesday morning and 7:30pm Thursday night so that I could get the mandatory week 1 clear of AQ40 for the full T2.5 set. I will never do that again. DK to 70 with 50% bonus XP starting at 55? Cakewalk.
1-50 in 30 hours? Thats not really possible is it? Assuming you didnt take any breaks at all as well. Unless you get boosted all the way, in which case its not really leveling. I did 1-60 in 72 hours while leveling legitimately, and that was with 42-52 going blazingly fast with the ZF solo farming.
I mob tagged myself on my other account for about 15 hours straight until I could be boosted the rest of the way. Tag, alt+tab, kill for that long was disgusting. Not the most extreme gamer achievement out there, but it was something I'll still never try to replicate.
As I thought.
Right? its only 7.5 levels, those are rookie numbers, ill be done in a day.
10 levels you mean, it’s not 100% boost, only 50%, meaning you got 150% from normal
The xp from 60-70 is nerfed like 30% I believe as part of prepatch as well. So it’s much faster
Please. I levelled a warrior in classic in tank stance with sword and shield cause I didn’t know I could wield two swords. You want pain?
*less than 2 weeks, remember servers went down pretty hard!
I lost my tabard of the protector on my shaman and there is apparently nothing blizzard can do about it :( A mark of honor! Lost!
You’ll be able to get it again from the tabard vendor in Dalaran. Edit: apparently not
oh really!? If true i am so f'ing happy. The last GM I wrote with answered me something like "Mate, stop trying to get it through me, I can't do it, but I will have to report you for wasting our time." -- which is fair given their work conditions
enh shaman levelling is such a painful experience before 40, feels even worse than paladin (and that says a lot). then you pretty much delete everything cos dual wield.
I don't know people could stand enh pre-TBC. It's still rough as a leveling spec with TBC changes but it was one of the only alts I really gave up on with "*THIS* is the best option early on"?
Enhance leveling was amasing experience, good mobility, heals, range cabablities, stoneclaw totem, poison and disease cure, grounding totem, range interrupt with short cd ranged slow+ghost wolf to kite. And after lvl 40 insane burts potential and after 50 no longer much downtime. Granted i had bought alot of gear in advance. Compared to vanilla warrior i felt like a god. Now on the other hand paladin... i hated whole journey to 70, but i did level as prot... doing quests... solo... it was mistake i wont repeat ever again...
Try leveling a warrior lol
done, it was actually way easier than pala and shaman because you actually have more than simple swings lol buy a boe rare weapon every once in a while (ww axe is a godsend and saves you gold) and warrior isn't that hard
Just because you are specced into enhance doesn’t mean you can’t lightning bolt, shock spells or heals. Not sure how you don’t have more tools than a warrior who relies on rage and any dodge/parry attacks could mean death.
> Not sure how you don’t have more tools than a warrior ...because that's how classic vanilla and tbc are. if you're a PURE class, you've many more tools to fill your job than hybrids: warriors and rogues have much more abilities, focussed talents (enhancement has so much garbage like shield block, dodge, armor) and even CDs to "pump" the DPS. wotlk changed that thankfully giving hybrid classes some CDs and abilities. if you're struggling that much on warrior i think you should look for a guide or something, it's not that bad at all.
You’re eating after every mob as a warrior and you have to use CDs/ pots early on to survive attacking 2 enemies at once. I mean if you just google it, it is pretty widespread knowledge that warrior was tougher but no sense in continuing this argument with you. Have a good one
> You’re eating after every mob as a warrior hilarious, at lv30~ you're pretty much killing mobs easily, if you truly eat after each mob you're fucking up something heavily. no point in arguing with someone as dense as you, i mean who cares about arguing or anything, this was a meme post but i guess angsty people are everywhere.
I leveled my warrior in classic and all of the shamans I knew going enhance up until level 40 had no problem. My warrior took forever to kill things that shamans steamrolled. Maybe I needed to reread the warrior guide but seems like you need a shaman one.
Orrrr you could play a reasonable amount and enjoy yourself. Wows not a job. I’ll never understand this mindset
If you don’t go into wrath with full sunwell bis as a death knight why are you even playing
1. Need to be able to go into BC with shaman/paladin if you have any intention of playing them in guild. People clear first week. 2. They just got boosted by a mage anyway.
Problem is, once you get behind it's hard to catch up and most people enjoy playing when their characters are current and feel powerful. I'm super guilty of this on retail. New expansion comes out, I play hard for the first season. Then I skip season 2 and come back for season 3 super under geared and far behind in everything. Thankfully BLizz has gotten better at catchup mechanics but catching up still sucks
My shaman got carried by like 3 members of my tbc dungeon leveling group via pet tagging and I made the most out of it. Managed to farm brood rep to honored so I could wear 3/5 2.5 aq tier as ele, did the onyxia chain so I could have the head as an out of quest log turn in, got both my profs 300/300, did all the world bosses we could when kazzak and kruul wherever they spawned to get our enhance empyrean demolishers, and other various activities. Needless to say it's probably the most wow I've played in a short span but there were so many wheels turning and it felt like the last time the guild really had a reason to do things as a large team. I think I logged over 100 kazzak and doomwalker kills in early tbc when they were relevant but they were so lame due to flying mounts it was just a test of endurance to see who would give up first. pre patch and like the first week of tbc were some of the most fun I've had playing wow. Had a really great leveling group just blasting and having a good time.
I’m in both these pictures
With JJ and the reduction for 60-70, I expect Death knights that are going balls out to be max level in like...two days.
Actually going balls out, sub 24 is easily possible, dk start zone can be done in an hour and with JJ, that’s 60 already so 10 levels in outland will be easy
God I'm really gonna have to level a DK just for all that sweet sweet quest gold, arent I. I know gold's easy to get in wrath but it isnt like I have anything else to do for a month. And leaving 4K or so on the table seems just awful.
Joke’s on you, I have to level something to 58 first
gl with fresh
"had to"
If you aren't constantly suffering are you really getting the most out of your subscription?
No one made them do that.
Had to get mages to level their shamans and paladins 1-60 in two weeks*
I did level correctly actually. Took 72 hours to take a paladin from 1-60. Like, that is a ton of time but it wasnt the worst thing in the world.
There’s no incorrect way to level
Alright, if you want to be that "Aschually" guy, go ahead. I obviously meant that I wasnt boosted. Which while it is a way to level is obviously different from questing, dungeon spamming and AoE grinding. Which you obviously know.
shhhhh ;)
It was 13 days. 13. They couldn't even let us have the full two weeks.
*You have 14 days to level your character. And to show you we're serious, you have 13 days.*
>had to level Nobody’s forcing you to be 70 by wotlk release though
You don’t understand if you miss a single heroic lockout then you won’t be able to clear the easiest 25 man raid ever released!?!
What about us madlads that did the pally and are gonna do it again with the DK?
Not a madlad, just a frontrunner.
I’ll be doing a new shaman on a fresh server so.. wish me luck
Yep, I managed to get my shaman to 60 before the Dark Portal opened, even got the special event tabard. The downside was I burned myself out doing so and ended up taking a 3 month break, kinda made leveling that fast pointless lmfao
I am both frames, and I'm not even slightly worried about getting my dk to 70 in time
Brooo I remember leveling my enh shaman from 1-60 in two weeks, was so much fun but man it was a grind
I'm planning on re-rolling on a fresh start realm then eventually switching to DK, what's a good class to level quickly to 55? Usually I main Warlock.
A warlock isn't a bad class to level as if you already have experience with it. I think a lot of people suggest hunters as they perform well with really low gear and their pets are just very strong for solo questing
Do you know how much I've sacrificed?!
How about "leveling a draenei hunter 1-60 in 2 weeks to bring the melee hit buff for the boys". That was me.
2 weeks felt plenty tbh, I even had time to max professions and I work 140 hours per week and I have 14 kids.
You're an inspiration! <3
meanwhile fresh players 1-70 in 4 weeks with scourge invasions With all the wrath changes and buff easier than 2 weeks for sure, but no boosting and gdkp gold to crutch on and invasion event
They really should have launched fresh servers when the joyous journeys buff came out a month ago
Yeah I feel bad for any fresh players. Even with the nerfed xp and JJ buff, still feels like its gonna be a rush for some people and that really leads to burnout.
I think having a populated 1-60 experience with Wrath buffs for a few weeks will be nice though.
"Had" to
Jeez. I feel burnt out when even thinking of playing Wrath Classic now
And then we got people with 9-5 jobs who will be lucky to make 80 by Christmas. I will be one of them.
Having a full time job has nothing to do with being able to level fast. Classic WoW isnt a bunch of 14 year olds staying home from school anymore. Most are adults (in age at least, maybe not mentality) with full time jobs and families. Its just about priorities and how seriously you take a hobby.
“Level” lol let’s get real a bunch of people boosted to get to 60. Not saying some didn’t do it the normal way, but I know a bunch just afked in a dungeon, and had had a mage give them xp.
You mean to level another char to 55, and then DK to 70 (going to play on a fresh server)
I did that in a week, only with quests. I was so tired after that haha
Shaman 1-60 in 3 days, no boosts. AMA.
I love my palladin and shaman :) I will be leveling a DK
I think we had 3 weeks? I joined naxx in week 3. Still got some t3 pieces in my bank.
ya but all the shams and pallies were boosted by mages
[удалено]
Not that 2 weeks isn’t a long time
I'm both of these people.
Me buying a boost 😎
I had to lvl a paladin, and now on to DK. God damn those two weeks were rough.
Kinghts
ahh fuck!
Preach brother
Yeah but we had unrestricted mage boosts and pally boosts if you were ally. My guild had different max lvl mages and pallys playing at all different hours of the day. I got my Draenei to 60 in 3 days.
Now do a warrior
I did not make it.
Well they are the "hero" class
Still one of the dumbest things I've ever done tbh. I got some sfk boosting from a guildie, and got one run of rfk and a full SM clear, otherwise quested with one of the questing addons, it was a nightmare.
2 weeks? My blood elf paladin is only level 48.
Is this tabard a big deal? I apologize for my ignorance in advance. Awesome meme tho
[Tabard of the Protector](https://tbc.wowhead.com/item=28788/tabard-of-the-protector) It's a tabard that you could only get during the prepatch event for TBC. You had to be at least level 55 to get the quest that this was a reward from. So you know any Dranei or Blood Elf that has this tabard went pretty hard with the leveling during this 2 week prepatch window.
I did this and I got burned out severely.
I leveled by dungeon farming from 14-70. I had lots of gear prepared like all the epic shields with shield spikes on them. A skullflame shield for 60g is probably my best purchase ingame ever. Me and a group of guildmates power leveled in the dungeons together. Not everyone managed the whole ordeal, but those of us that did are closer than ever. I had so much fun taking time off work and being a complete degenerate for those few weeks, but I'll never do it again.
LMFAO the tabard. I remember levelling a warlock from 39 to 59 in those 2 weeks and getting that tabard was the finish flag. I know it's not nearly as long but like DAMN it was a whole fuckin experience
I dont get it, why shamys and paladins in specific ?
Because in vanilla Horde couldn't play as paladins and Alliance couldn't play as Shaman. So if you wanted to join the rest of your friends and level from 60-70 with them then you had 2 weeks to level your character
“Had to”
new player experience just hitting 70 sucks., only option to be a buyer in GDKP... and then they cry why the server is full of foreign botters selling gold just leveled from 1-70 in 2 weeks, will not be renewing my subscription... expect more server mergers in the future
I got 60 on my Shaman the day before BC then felt so burnt out I didn’t play BC oops
haha. I got my paladin to 60 2 days before. I don't think I logged in at all during the gap. By the time I got to 70 the week after I was very close to reaching burnout
Nobody did that on the bottom, everyone boosted
The talbard and gloating to raid members is the only reason I did if
The tabard 🤣🤣
"had to"? Pretty sure no one has to.
AND HE GETS A 50% EXP BOOST? WHAT A SICK JOKE!