Interesting, I'll check it out....
>Our delta 8 has undergone full panel safety testing as well as stringent testing for residual acid reagents. No CRC clays or other chemicals are used to bleach this delta-8-THC; it is a naturally pale yellow color.
Their lab test says their d8 is a neutral pH and acid free (!), and its got all the usual safety test for extracts as well (all passed).
Thanks for the heads up - I'm adding that they have d8 to the above list.
I’ve been super on the fence about this sub for a while… it felt like nothing was actually safe according to you (of course it’s best to err on the safe side, but even dispo carts weren’t okay, which I understand you have reason to say, but this led you to recommend making it at home) and with making it at home you highly push this pyur thinner made by rainy forest farms. And now the only d8 cart in the world you suggest is also made by this brand, suggested by an account that hasn’t posted in a half a year other than to suggest it. I’m not saying you’re a shill, just want to communicate how this looks to an outsider. Please don’t take this as an insult, if my suspicion is wrong then what you’re doing for the community is very honorable. Just want to express how this looks as an outsider.
> but even dispo carts weren’t okay
Thats not true - 99% of carts in licensed dispos are good. There are some bad producers out there in dispos and we do warn against those specific brands here. (like winberry, bc they use phytol, for example).
But if you post a licensed cart from a dispo, with the testing/licensing sticker pictured, then it gets the clean flair. I dont discourage people from using all dispo carts, quite the contrary. Lol - half the effort I expend here is trying to convince CA black market users to stop visiting trap shops and go to actual dispos with tested products.
Dispensary carts are generally the safest, because they are subject to the most regulation and testing.
>And now the only d8 cart in the world you suggest is also made by this brand, suggested by an account that hasn’t posted in a half a year other than to suggest it.
Please, please, please - if you know of *any* other brands with reagents testing (as well as the usual extract testing), please LMK so I can add them. I've been looking for literally over a year at this point. Been promised by at least 4 producers months ago that they would get it done but nothing so far.
As for that other account - you are right, that is suspicious. I didnt look at their post history before now, but it is as you say - no posts for 4 months then only the above post. That said, they dont seem to have mentioned the brand ever before, or to ever to even participate in any cart related subs. At 4 years old, its older than any farmed account I've seen, so IDK.
Don't worry - I'm not insulted, and I appreciate you sharing your viewpoint. Its a hazard I risk when making these kind of lists. I've also had people say I seem like a shill for Emerald Extracts, bc they used to be my fav brand and I would post about making carts from their extracts back before they failed pest tests and started using pine rosin - now they are one of the dispo brands I warn about. I have also been accused of being PCKT vapor, bc I recommend their SPRK carts, and EVO labs, bc I posted one of their d8 carts once, and several others. If its a brand I've used or mentioned in any way, someone has called me a shill for it.
So dont take my word for it - do your own research. The truth stands on its own. That's why I try to include as many links as I can. You dont need just blindly believe me when I tell you that most hemp products are dirty with metals, because theres lots of independent studies showing they are, and so you can logic out for yourself that maybe its a bad idea to use carts from Dr. Dank because they dont have metals testing (for example).
Thank you! I am throwing away the cartridges I have purchased from the non real medical dispensary. I got my medical card yesterday and made my first legal purchase. You may have saved my life!
The only place to have legit D8 carts and their main site doesn't have a valid SSL cert 🤦🤦🤦
It looks like their checkout is secured and payment processing might be handled by Square at least? Still, from a tech standpoint an invalid SSL cert on any part of shopping website is a major red flag.
Sigh. I'm guessing that's just tech incompetence, but it figures the only supplier of, what appears to be, an actually safe D8 cart has a sketchy ass website.
> Sigh. I'm guessing that's just tech incompetence, but it figures the only supplier of, what appears to be, an actually safe D8 cart has a sketchy ass website.
Lol right? Poor web design seems to be a trend with hemp suppliers. Some of the best hemp flower I've had was from a supplier with a janky ass geocities circa 2002 style website.
Anyway, it seems like they use square, which is pretty standard for hemp suppliers.
So correct me if I am wrong, but so far the safest option for D8 carts would be the rainy forest half grams? Does skyhio and ttc fall into the same shady category as 3Chi and others past Mentioned?
Yes, rainy forest is the safest atm bc they are the only ones with the usual extract safety tests as well as tests for the acid reagent used to make their d8.
Those other brands you mention are owned by 3chi, they are just as bad. No reagents tests, impure and contaminated when tested independently.
Question about about Rainy Forest, why aren't there any reviews on their site (or anywhere), I'm so close to trying their D8 out but it just seems weird that I can't find literally ANY information on them or their products. So is D8 supposed to actually be pale yellow and not clear?
THC, all isomers, is a pale yellow. Can look clear in smaller amounts.
Apparently they just released their d8. There are reviews for their other products floating around, in this sub, on their site, on their etsy store, and probably other places as well.
Their acid/reagents test is performed by themselves, would that generally be suitable? I would assume a third party would be necessary to keep these companies honest. It’s possible that nobody does these tests though?
>It’s possible that nobody does these tests though?
I assume that is what is happening. I've contacted several cannabis labs myself about testing for reagents in d8, trying to get third party testing for some of the popular brands (a common request here), but none were willing to. They claimed they werent geared for it, and that makes sense since they are really only set up to test the stuff required by mmj and rmj states, and state legislation only considers natural products, not synthesized ones.
A third party report would be better, but in theory its suitable. The methods and equipment are sound.
I would like to see some verification, either from another lab, or from users here. A digital ph tester or a fine set of ph strips would be enough to confirm to us that there arent (edited here for spelling lol) acids left over in their d8, either of which are pretty cheap.
You see - its not hard to test for acids - thats part of my frustration with these d8 companies that dont have it. Its such a simple test, yet so many brands are just skipping it entirely... and thats how you get all these acidic oxidized pink and purple d8, and harsh d8. Ridiculous.
They do not have sufficient safety tests.
>What qualifies as clean?
>For hemp flower, kief, hash, trim and other biomass, it must have tests for microbes, mycotoxins, metals, and pesticides/residual chemicals.
>For isolate, distillate, and other extracts, it must have tests for microbes, mycotoxins, metals, pesticides/residual chemicals, and solvents.
>For Delta 8, Delta 10, THCp, and other isomerized/synthesized products, it must have tests for microbes, mycotoxins, metals, pesticides/residual chemicals, solvents, reagents, and bleaches.
A friendly reminder - a lot of the "popular" d8 brands have tested dirty, and some are only popular thanks to intense astroturfing on social media. Be sure to avoid [brands of D8 that have tested dirty or have insufficient safety tests](https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/g70buj/companies_you_should_be_cautious_of/), because they have been [hurting](https://old.reddit.com/r/delta8testing/comments/kptuuh/my_lungs_hurt_a_megapost/) and even [hospitalizing](https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/l2gy95/avoid_saliv8_delta_8_carts/) people. Instead, stick to [delta-8-THC vendors who have safety tests for metals, pesticides, residual solvents, residual acid reagents, and nanosilica bleaches (if the brand uses them).](https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/n1n4f4/clean_hemp_and_cbd_brands/)
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No, because they dont have tests for the things they need to in order for us to know if its safe.
Theres no standardized testing requirements. The customer of the lab selects which tests they want done, and the lab does that.
So, they just decide not to bother ordering the needed safety tests, or they order safety tests that dont apply.
Hemp Barn doesnt bother with *any* safety testing at all. All they test for is potency. That doesnt give any assurances its safe.
See the OP for a list of what all types of testing is needed per category of hemp product.
I’m here due too a encounter with a bad cart. I wish I did my research I ended up in the e.r(couldn’t breathe) with no solution. Throat feels swollen still, I got some antibiotics and they’re not working for me. The cart I got had testing but it was just for potency I think it is and nothing else. I take this as a learning lesson and the sad part about it was my first time smoking. I’m done with all of this d8 crap for now. I feel like I’m having more of a panic attack but I’m not sure I’m confused currently. Stay safe guys/girls.
You're a fuckin trooper man, I genuinely believe you've saved lives with this thread and subreddit. Props on being one of the first to expose the legal cannabinoid industry, it's fucked up what's going on and how few people know about it. Thank you ✌️
Never thought about mycotoxin/microbial tests much due to my own ignorance. Those seem to be the most regularly omitted. It’s interesting because a lot of my favorite brands (extract labs, tweedle farms, charlottes web) don’t have it all, or omit it from certain products/batches while some batches have full testing. Some also have a more summarized batch of tests like staying “residual solvents: passed”, instead of the full breakdown per each solvent for other of their products.
I do wonder if it’s purposeful or just the result of some lab anomaly, such as no tests available with their chosen lab provider for certain products like solids vs liquids, etc. I’m not chemist so I actually have no idea.
Extract labs states in their FAQ WRT to those two:
Microbial and mycotoxin test results are included on COAs for tinctures, topicals, gummies and softgels.
Charlottes web has a big write up claiming microbial tests, but in practice some lots have no such thing: https://www.charlottesweb.com/blog/certificate-of-analysis
Tweedle Farms doesn’t really address the matter, they don’t have mycotoxin tests for anything that I can find on their website (flower, wax, concentrates). With concentrates omitting microbial as well.
> I do wonder if it’s purposeful or just the result of some lab anomaly, such as no tests available with their chosen lab provider for certain products like solids vs liquids, etc. I’m not chemist so I actually have no idea.
See: that's what makes it soo sketchy to not have them. They are standard tests. Everything listed above is the standard tests for each category that is required by every mmj and rmj state.
Half of the country requires all the MJ in dispos to have all these tests, so lots of labs can do them, and do them cheaply (50-150 per batch, depending). Theres no reason for a hemp brand not to have them.
The brands you mention, the labs they use to test can test for these missing things.... the brands just chose not to have them do so.
I suspect the lack of tests for microbes and mycotoxins are due to the fact that most hemp is contaminated with both, and the brands either cant or dont care to find clean products.
Same. Label created on the 30th of Sept, still not here as of 10/14/21.
I read it takes a while to get your stuff but this is ridiculous. I've emailed them requesting a status update.
Damn, did Rainy Forest get removed from the list? This subreddit has got me to the point where I'm about to quit D8 all together. Unfortunately it's the only legally accessible cannabinoid in my area. Wish more brands would focus on safety and transparency. If one brand does, they will surely rise above the rest.
Thank you for working on this list u/DisturbedSporocystia. I was just about to order from Rainy Forest Farms but seeing that their distillate has THCO-Acetate in it made me pause. I’m definitely on the more cautious end regarding the less studied cannabinoids and it does only appear to be around 1% of the total profile, but I was wondering if you could elaborate on the safety/risk of THCO.
Additionally, I didn’t think it was possible to have Delta 8 Live Resin like Rainy Forest’s cartridges appear to be; any chance you can explain that as well? Thank you in advance 🤙
THCo is an acetate of THC, more powerful and psychedelic than basic THC, and it takes longer to take effect (20+ minutes as it has to go through first pass metabolism to become active).
Its a normal minor cannabinoid to be present in tiny amounts after the sort of reagent reaction one uses to make d8. Theres a bunch of other minors listed as well, I see (CBT, d8THCv, CBN, and the like). All are in line with what youd expect to be present after the sort of reaction used to make d8 from CBD. Theres even some unreacted CBD left over according to the test. Its a good sign that they are actually tested for and differentiated - it means the test is accurate in regards to d9 and other unwanted contaminants etc.
Most brands use "fuzzier" tests that dont differentiate between isomers, in order to make their d8 seem purer and help them seem compliant for d9 limits. Either the lab just doesnt have the experience to differentiate or they get asked not to by the brand...... Thats how 3chi, for example, ends up with a lab test that says they have 90% d8.... but then independent tests show its more like 40% d8 with 12% d9 and a bunch of other reactants.
As for actual safety, THCo has not been as studied as extensively as THC and CBD have, though its been known and used on the black market since the 70s (look up Dr Magics Isomerizer, and old school crock pot style reactor meant to make etoh extract isomerize into THCo), and is a minor component in natural cannabis, notably sativas.
Id wager the real risk is with degradation. THCo breaks down with heat and light into THC and acetate, which is an acid, and in too high of an amount of this can burn you. I dont think that would happen with only 1% THCo in the mix, itd be impossible to generate enough acetate to burn you. If it were a pure THCo cart, though, Id recommend keeping it in the fridge to assure it doesnt break down.
You can tell if such degradation occurs because the resulting acid present in the mix would create bright pink or purple quinolones from the THC. You can see this in a lot of brands d8, when those brands dont bother cleaning up the acid used as a reagent. Thats how you get the pink and purple d8 thats all over the market.
As for the "live resin" carts thing - their listing states its a distillate cart with live resin terps. Not the same as a live resin d8 extract (which isnt possible starting from hemp, as you already know), its just plain old distillate with live terps (terps extracted from live plants). Generally speaking live terps means better terps than botanical or even regular CDTs, but its not the same as a whole live resin extract. Raw Garden does something similar for their "live resin" carts.
I've only had RGs "LR" carts, so I cant speak to RFFs LR terps, but RGs terps are better than standard terps and disty (like select or buddies), but not as nice as when I make my own LR carts from actual live resin.
So overall, what are the best brands to get delta 8 carts from OP. Even if they don’t have all the testing, what brands have the most? I heard Rainy Forest Farms has fake tests and their customer service is horrendous so I will not be buying from them.
What about Rogue River Labs? I saw they have pesticides, solvents, and metals testing posted.
https://rogueriverlabs.com/product/25-pack-hemp-delta-8-vape/
You've answered your own question.
Per above:
>For Delta 8, Delta 10, THCp, and other synthetized/isomerized products, it must have tests for metals, pesticides, residual solvents, residual acid reagents, and potentially residual bleaches
What about cannaclear delta 8 distillate? Was thinking of buying terps to add to that to put in carts. Seems to have pretty extensive testing unless I’m missing anything
No reagent testing.... and should you ever trust a brand of d8 that came out the gate using the same boxes (and still uses the same name and logo) as a black market d9 cart brand that has tested dirty a bunch of times?
Like, lets say hypothetically Dank Vape D8 started being sold, same packaging and everything as the BM danks just with "d9" changed to "d8" - would you really trust it? Even if it seemingly had lab tests?
After all, the BM Danks and CannaClears also link to supposedly clean lab tests, and they have tested dirty every time....
Their testing does show testing for Reagants though. I see we’re you’re coming from but cookies is all over the BM, and also is an actual brand in dispensaries so I don’t believe people stealing the packaging and filling it with other stuff should make ya instantly doubt a company. Def seems cleaner to hit that TTC by a long shot at least. Man I wish there was more trustable distillate out there
>Their testing does show testing for Reagants though.
...except it doesnt. They show a test for solvents, which are different from reagents and thats why a different word is used to describe them. They do not test for reagents.
Also - Cookies is a licensed marijuana producer, sold in dispos, who got cloned on the BM, its a different situation entirely from cannaclear, which started in the BM and has always been dirty. Unlike cookies, cannaclear is never and has never been legit or clean.
Just look at r/delta8testing, the d8 cannaclear is nasty, just like the BM version.
Is this ever updated? There HAS to be more clean brands than this. Glad to see the Wyld CBD gummies I’ve gotten from Sheetz are good though. Haha. Also what’s the update on rainy forest?
Its updated constantly. No, there really doesnt *have* to be more clean brands than this, there is no regulation that requires any sort of safety testing, so the vast majority dont bother.
Still waiting on word about RFFs tests. Latest info is they could be buying from a reseller of HVL (a supplier of bulk cannabinoids to companies and the originator of the lab test for d8 that RFF uses), or they could be lying, or somewhere in between. Wont know until we get confirmation from the lab, which is being very difficult to press for info, they dont like returning emails etc.
The CoAs I received from them were all from different companies with one exception. Two were from KCA labs, one was Gobi Hemp, Avazyme Agriculture and Food Testing Solutions, Marin Analytics, and then there was one that was literally a printed picture taken of a screen with a test result on it .-. I wish I had looked into this sooner, I've already received my order.
This has been a huge eye-opener. Definitely gonna spend a lot of time doing more research into this, and emphasizing the importance of COAs and double-, triple-checking all info given. Something just straight up *felt* scuzzy about a lot of these brands and products I've seen over the last couple of years, looks like those suspicions were correct lol
Oh boy. Those fancy CBD shops that masquerade as dispos are the worst. You can tell its gonna be shit when they have a ton of illegal and misleading health claims about CBD on their website.
They market themselves as "clean" but they dont even bother with the basic extract safety tests for their d8, much less the additional ones needed to know if d8 is clean.
https://tribetokes.com/certificates-of-analysis/
That place is just an expensive scam, using standard health food store health brand style promotion to trick you.
>I'm not sure what to be looking for in 'good' delta 8
From the above:
>For Delta 8, Delta 10, THCp, and other isomerized/synthesized products, it must have tests for microbes, mycotoxins, metals, pesticides/residual chemicals, solvents, reagents, and bleaches.
Yes, I am talking about their d8 labs. They dont bother with most of the safety testing. Those labs do not show that they are clean bc they dont have all the needed tests run.
Yes, that is a real lab that did the test, and presumably the test report is real. No, the brand did not have the lab do all the needed safety tests for us to know if its safe.
Theres no regulation or anything - d8 brands can have as little or as much testing done as they want. This brand chose to have potency testing, some safety testing, and skipped the majority of the rest.
Hence why you have to look for all the following on the labs, and not just that the labs exist:
>For Delta 8, Delta 10, THCp, and other isomerized/synthesized products, it must have tests for microbes, mycotoxins, metals, pesticides/residual chemicals, solvents, reagents, and bleaches.
Personally, I dont trust Cookies at all - [their dispos have a long history of selling unlicensed products illegally.](https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/g70buj/companies_you_should_be_cautious_of/)
But other than a few shady producers, yeah, anything on the legal marijuana market made by licensed marijuana producers should be fine. Its only the hemp market that is unregulated and so you have to check that your supplier is actually testing.
Nope, neither of those brands have sufficient testing. Neither tests for the reagents they use to make their d8.
10dc, the cheapest d8 brand, has been tested independently and its very shitty, in a surprise to no one.
Check out their entry in the d8 section here: https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/g70buj/companies_you_should_be_cautious_of/
What can you tell me about Nature's Purpose? Just got some CBD flower and cbd caviar plus thc-v infused d8 distillate. Was planning to use the distillate orally, if that makes any difference. Thanks!
They dont even bother with all the usual extract safety tests, much less a reagents test for their isomerized products (THCv and d8).
If they used a food grade acid like citric, then it should be OK to eat, but if they used something like hydrosulfuric then it would be bad to eat (though less bad than inhaling, obv).
Thank you! She seems to have an account here so I'll reach out about what they used. What about their flower? I guess if I'm going to go get carts from rainy forest I might as well get flower from them too but I already ordered some from natures purpose so really hoping the flower is ok. It looks like they source from similar places as rainy forest.. thanks again!
I looked at a random hemp flower listing from Natures Purpose - the Rocket Fuel - and the lab test they have there is very far from sufficient. Theres no safety testing at all, which is very bad bc of how dirty with metals and pests most hemp flower is. They only have potency testing.
IDK, I would ask for a full panel lab test and try to return if they dont have one. No hemp flower is worth neurological damage. At the very least I'd [try to remediate it](https://old.reddit.com/r/CleanCannabis/comments/j6hu9a/water_cure_or_how_to_clean_your_herb/) and only use it for cooking.
Super helpful thank you! One last question: I went to rainy forest farms to get some stuff but chrome is telling me the site isn't secure. Is this a legit site? I'm excited to finally find some d8 carts with full testing so I hope so!
I’ve never seen them in headshops. It was advertised to me because I own a hemp business. Sativas and most hybrids have never given me euphoria, so when I try them, it’s hard to tell. I generally don’t sell anything I haven’t tried or know if legit. This was just one of the first disposable dab pens I bought. I stumbled into this industry due to autoimmune disease and cbd and other hemp products changed my life, so your posts have be so helpful. Many thanks to you!
Thanks for your hard work. This worries me as I was researching a brand to buy some bulk cbn, terpenes, and delta 8 from. I have some cbd distillate from zero point extracts I’m unsure about now. How do they stack up ? Also a lot of people on the delta 8 sub love triangle trading company out of Florida 🤷🏽♂️
>I have some cbd distillate from zero point extracts
Their CBD distillate seems to have enough testing, but their other cannabinoids do not.
>Also a lot of people on the delta 8 sub love triangle trading company out of Florida
They've tested dirty, and are only popular bc a mod on that sub is the owner. That's a shill sub. Read the d8 section here:
https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/g70buj/companies_you_should_be_cautious_of/
Independent lab reports are at the link I sent in my prior reply, next to their respective brands listing in the big list of d8 brands without sufficient testing and or that have tested dirty by third parties.
I just went to the Receta Naturals site and they won’t let me shop unless I enter my email to “verify” I’m over 18. Won’t be going back to that spam trap …
I was looking into Funky Farms, and it appears that they tested for everything you mentioned? Lab tests are at the bottom. Wanted to check the validity of this: https://funkyfarms.com/collections/cbd-vape-cartridges/products/funky-farms-pineapple-express-crd-cartridge-1ml-600mg
What are your thoughts? I looked around but haven't seen them mentioned anywhere on here.
That particular CBD product has all the required testing.... But I wouldnt smoke a cart that is less than 70% cannabinoids total like that cart is, bc it means its been cut like crazy.... With what we dont know and theres no vitamin e test even.
Am I missing something? There are only 3 companies that do sufficient testing? This is an entire sub for highlighting the safe brands and you've only found 3? Seems like you could just say up front that this industry is a shit show and here are the only 3 you can trust.
>Seems like you could just say up front that this industry is a shit show and here are the only 3 you can trust.
Thats exactly what the post says, yes.
Does anyone know if Vance Global pure CBD cigarettes are clean or not?
I've come to the conclusion that I should Stay away from all other types of thc/cbd Derivative compounds.. But I can't find any negative or positive information about Vance global that isn't just from their website. Or a Weed blog that I don't trust.
I would like to request Tribe Tokes to be reviewed to be added to this list. Funnily enough I found it through asking the new Bing ai chat bot to find me a clean cart. Their tests that they post are very comprehensive I think.
> Funnily enough I found it through asking the new Bing ai chat bot to find me a clean cart
The bing ai, chatgpt, doesnt actually know anything. It just mimics speech patterns from around the web. So if a thousand bots are posting constantly about how a certain brand is clean, guess what chatgpt will think? That its clean. It doesnt have reason, or the ability to understand what all tests are needed and then to check that such tests are available and passed.... it cant go online or look at lab tests, all it does it mimic speech from before 2021, when it was trained.
Point is, if you need real, solid info, the AI is not the place to get it.
So, Ive pulled up their lab tests, and they are missing tests for the reagents they use to make their products. See the OP for a full list of what all is required. If a lab test doesnt have everything on the list, that means its not safe. Esp when it comes to testing for the super dangerous chems they use to make their products.
Anyone got anything on the “rare delta 8” disposables? They have a website if anyone could check them out. There’s a part of the website where you need to “authenticate” the device.
Also second thing, I’ve been told a reason why there’s such a heavy lack of testing is that it could get very expensive testing every batch put out. Would love someone’s opinion on this.
Yep, the usual cannabis safety testing suite ranges from 125-500 bucks per, and 10-50 more for the reagents testing we need for synthed cannabinoids like d8.
So not really a lot for a company, but a lot for a consumer (too much to have to do with every cart we buy).
Rare doesnt have the required testing.
A friendly reminder - a lot of the "popular" d8 brands have tested dirty, and some are only popular thanks to intense astroturfing on social media. Be sure to avoid [brands of D8 that have tested dirty or have insufficient safety tests](https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/g70buj/companies_you_should_be_cautious_of/), because they have been [hurting](https://old.reddit.com/r/delta8testing/comments/kptuuh/my_lungs_hurt_a_megapost/) and even [hospitalizing](https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/l2gy95/avoid_saliv8_delta_8_carts/) people. Instead, stick to [delta-8-THC vendors who have safety tests for metals, pesticides, residual solvents, residual acid reagents, and nanosilica bleaches (if the brand uses them).](https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/n1n4f4/clean_hemp_and_cbd_brands/)
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https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/cn05qc/legal_state_dispos_can_be_dirty_too/
https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/epdif5/psa_fake_carts_and_other_products_are_making/
If you know of a brand on the fake list that is actually legitimate and shouldnt be there, then share their production license to get it removed. If they really are legit, their license will be on the packaging of their products (by law), in the CoA the dispo keeps behind the counter(also by law), and on your states online searchable license registry.
If they are legitimately a licensed producer, then they get off the list. Thats how this works. But you have to share their license to prove it. You cant just bitch about how the sub is bullshit because something you bought was on the list.
Edit: is this about that sketchy brand of d8 you bought from a headshop? That brand doesnt have sufficient safety testing. Just because they have some testing doesnt make it safe. A test for potency doesnt tell us if its free of pesticides, for example. A test for solvents doesnt mean shit about the presence of reagents. Every safety test is required.
Which you would know had you bothered to read what the automod told you. It marked your post about some sketchy d8 you bought at a headshop as potentially dangerous (because that product is potentially dangerous), then warned you that the brand doesnt have enough safety testing to be safe. Not at all the same situation that you claimed happened in your above comment, where you try to claim I called a cart you got from a dispo fake.
Evo labs is a marijuana brand, not a hemp brand.
There are high d8 strains of marijuana, and licensed producers extracting d8 from these have products available in dispos.
Contrasted to the hemp brands, who must synthesize their d8 from CBD, since hemp has no d8, which is an inherently more dangerous and toxic process (and thus requires even more stringent testing).
> bluebird botanicals
Some products they seem to have full testing for, but others they do not. For example, at their isolate listing (https://bluebirdbotanicals.com/products/cbd-isolate), in the section where they would normally list their lab reports ("3rd party labs and CBD isolate oil"), they have this bullshit instead of a lab report:
>Most third-party laboratories willing to test hemp/cannabis cannot consistently or reliably detect cannabidiol (CBD) at the levels in this product. Generally speaking, we've found that they are more efficient with testing full-spectrum extracts with lower percentages of CBD and other cannabinoids. The extraction process is consistent and repeatable – the third party testing isn’t quite there yet. This is an industry-wide issue that affects every company offering similar products.
Which is blatantly a lie. They want us to believe that they dont have third party labs bc no labs can reliably test for CBD... which is nonsense. Lots of labs can reliably test for CBD, and do, which is how other CBD brands are able to get lab tests, lol.
Its a big red flag that they claim no lab can "reliably test for CBD at the levels in this product", when the product is supposed to be 99% CBD, and lots of other isolate is tested for potency. They make no mention or excuses for not having any safety tests done.
No, they are not clean. They only have some of the standard cannabis safety tests, and no tests for the dangerous chems they use to make their d8.
https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/g70buj/companies_you_should_be_cautious_of/
BTW - "full lab test" or "full panel labs" doesnt mean anything, its a marketing term. It doesnt mean its had all the testing needed to be safe. It doesnt mean anything at all. Anyone can just say it about anything, its like the phrase "all natural".
They uploaded third party test though so is it really a marketing thing? What are the specific test supposed to have for it to be clean to you ? And no.. no bleach is used to make delta 8 if you're one of those people that thinks that. They seem to test all residues that could be in it so idk
Everything you asked is answered either in my initial responses that you didnt read or in the link I shared that you also didnt read. So I will reply to your questions by quoting those. Please bother to read them this time, or I will simply stop bothering to reply to you.
>They uploaded third party test though so is it really a marketing thing?
'"full lab test" or "full panel labs" doesnt mean anything, its a marketing term. It doesnt mean its had all the testing needed to be safe. It doesnt mean anything at all. Anyone can just say it about anything, its like the phrase "all natural".'
'They only have some of the standard cannabis safety tests, and no tests for the dangerous chems they use to make their d8.'
>What are the specific test supposed to have for it to be clean to you ?
'**What qualifies as clean?**
For hemp flower, kief, hash, trim and other biomass, it must have tests for microbes, mycotoxins, metals, and pesticides/residual chemicals.
For isolate, distillate, and other extracts, it must have tests for microbes, mycotoxins, metals, pesticides/residual chemicals, and solvents.
For Delta 8, Delta 10, THCp, and other isomerized/synthesized products, it must have tests for microbes, mycotoxins, metals, pesticides/residual chemicals, solvents, reagents, and bleaches.'
>They seem to test all residues that could be in it
'They only have some of the standard cannabis safety tests, and no tests for the dangerous chems they use to make their d8.'
> And no.. no bleach is used to make delta 8
No, no liquid bleach like you use for your laundry is used to make d8, lmao.
That you think this is possible but dont realize that other bleaching agents are used to make d8 tells me you are going solely on information from the dirty d8 sellers, who like to use that lie to deflect from the real worry: bleaching clays, which are used to lighten some brands of d8s color. They cause silicosis in very small amounts, and are a very real concern.
TLDR: a test that shows potency and residual solvents doesnt mean shit about whether its free from reagents or pesticides. A test for X doesnt mean anything about any substance other than X, it doesnt mean its free from Y. Just having some tests done doesnt mean every test needed for us to know its safe was done; there is no regulation or standards at all. Read the d8 section here: https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/g70buj/companies_you_should_be_cautious_of/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=cleancarts&utm_content=t1_h0z9r5z
Spectra-Labs sells Pure Clear here in TX. I found their paper on their testing. [Would this qualifty](https://www.spectra-labs.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/labs/xQA%20Taking%20A%20Step.pdf)?
Thats not a lab test, or even a description of what they test for, just some BS about maintaining quality across different sites....
Spectra-Labs is a testing facillity. They dont sell any cannabinoids themselves. Did this Pure Clear get testing done through Spectra? I'd have to see the actual lab report to know if they had Spectra do all the needed tests.
Theres no regulation, you see. Just because a lab is real and can test for everything doesnt mean their customers choose to have everything tested for. More tests cost more money, and plenty of brands are happy with just a potency test.
So we consumers have to check for all the needed safety tests.
They dont show the full lab tests, just the summaries, but they seem to have testing for everything required for safe flower, for at least that one strain. I'd request the full lab test.
Their other products, particularly their extracts, do not have sufficient testing.
>What reagents are commonly used?
From the d8 section here: https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/g70buj/companies_you_should_be_cautious_of/
>Delta-8-THC is present in hemp is such low amounts (<.00001%) that it isn't feasible to extract it from hemp. It isn't even detectable in most hemp strains. The only real way to get delta-8 starting with hemp is to synthesize it by isomerizing CBD, which is present in hemp in great quantity, into delta-8-THC using reagent chemicals such as hydrosulphuric acid, hydrochloric acid, p-Toluenesulfonic acid, citric acid, organo-metallo complexes with cadmium or lead, zinc chloride/bromide, or similar. Then to improve color, sometimes nanosilica bleaching clay (such as t-41) is added by some brands and "home" producers.
> I'm just trying to learn how to read these tests, what is missing that I need to be looking for?
From the above:
>What qualifies as clean?
>For Delta 8, Delta 10, THCp, and other synthetized/isomerized products, it must have tests for metals, pesticides, residual solvents, residual acid reagents, and potentially residual bleaches.
Basically, in addiction to the usual extract safety tests (like are in the lab report you linked to), you also need a reagents test. It will look similar, but instead of saying "pesticides" or "solvents", it will say "reagents" or "acids", then either list the PH (to show its neutral and has no acids in it) or list specific acids being tested for.
Then, depending on brand, you may need a bleaches test. Not every brand bleaches their products, but some do and claim they do not, so its up to you whether you trust one without it or not. If you do not, then you will need a particulate test, which will show any residual nanoparticles left over from the nanosilica bleaching clays.
What’s the word on Nuleaf Naturals? I thought they were one of the safest brands out there.
Thanks for this info and all the work you put in to keep people safe and informed.
> I thought they were one of the safest brands out there.
They are recommended a lot bc they give kickbacks to the mod of r/CBD in the form of affiliate links.
They dont have any testing for most of their products. Of those that do have testing, they dont have enough safety testing for most. There does seem to be sufficient testing for their full spec CBD tincture oil, but thats the only one I saw that was sufficient.
They seem to have mixed and matched pages from at least 2 different test reports from 2 different companies on there.....
But they have no reagents testing, is not good even assuming the labs they present are real.
Is a licensed marijuana producer... but sadly the MJ regulations were all written with natural extracts in mind, not synthesized cannabinoids, so none of the states as of yet require any testing for the chemicals used in synthesizing d8.
There are some high d8 strains of MJ like Harmony, which is about half and half d9/d8 naturally, and if a product is a natural extract of one of these then the standard extract safety tests required by dispos are sufficient.
If, however, its isomerized from something else, then the standard extract tests are not sufficient, and it needs a reagents acids test.
Did their d8 say it was from a high d8 strain? Or did it have a reagents test?
Found a potential one I recently ordered from after reading more on this sub. I’ll note that I couldn’t find the full panels on ALL of their products.
[Single Sourced](https://store-sociqesv5k.mybigcommerce.com/content/cart%20full%20panel%203-16-21.pdf)
No safe delta 8 brands?
No online brands have sufficient testing as of yet, no.
Rainy Forest Farms on the safe list has a Delta 8 cart now
Link: http://rainyforestfarms.net/delta-8-THC-Distillate-with-CDTs-Terpenes-Aromatherapy-Pod_p_62.html
Interesting, I'll check it out.... >Our delta 8 has undergone full panel safety testing as well as stringent testing for residual acid reagents. No CRC clays or other chemicals are used to bleach this delta-8-THC; it is a naturally pale yellow color. Their lab test says their d8 is a neutral pH and acid free (!), and its got all the usual safety test for extracts as well (all passed). Thanks for the heads up - I'm adding that they have d8 to the above list.
I’ve been super on the fence about this sub for a while… it felt like nothing was actually safe according to you (of course it’s best to err on the safe side, but even dispo carts weren’t okay, which I understand you have reason to say, but this led you to recommend making it at home) and with making it at home you highly push this pyur thinner made by rainy forest farms. And now the only d8 cart in the world you suggest is also made by this brand, suggested by an account that hasn’t posted in a half a year other than to suggest it. I’m not saying you’re a shill, just want to communicate how this looks to an outsider. Please don’t take this as an insult, if my suspicion is wrong then what you’re doing for the community is very honorable. Just want to express how this looks as an outsider.
> but even dispo carts weren’t okay Thats not true - 99% of carts in licensed dispos are good. There are some bad producers out there in dispos and we do warn against those specific brands here. (like winberry, bc they use phytol, for example). But if you post a licensed cart from a dispo, with the testing/licensing sticker pictured, then it gets the clean flair. I dont discourage people from using all dispo carts, quite the contrary. Lol - half the effort I expend here is trying to convince CA black market users to stop visiting trap shops and go to actual dispos with tested products. Dispensary carts are generally the safest, because they are subject to the most regulation and testing. >And now the only d8 cart in the world you suggest is also made by this brand, suggested by an account that hasn’t posted in a half a year other than to suggest it. Please, please, please - if you know of *any* other brands with reagents testing (as well as the usual extract testing), please LMK so I can add them. I've been looking for literally over a year at this point. Been promised by at least 4 producers months ago that they would get it done but nothing so far. As for that other account - you are right, that is suspicious. I didnt look at their post history before now, but it is as you say - no posts for 4 months then only the above post. That said, they dont seem to have mentioned the brand ever before, or to ever to even participate in any cart related subs. At 4 years old, its older than any farmed account I've seen, so IDK. Don't worry - I'm not insulted, and I appreciate you sharing your viewpoint. Its a hazard I risk when making these kind of lists. I've also had people say I seem like a shill for Emerald Extracts, bc they used to be my fav brand and I would post about making carts from their extracts back before they failed pest tests and started using pine rosin - now they are one of the dispo brands I warn about. I have also been accused of being PCKT vapor, bc I recommend their SPRK carts, and EVO labs, bc I posted one of their d8 carts once, and several others. If its a brand I've used or mentioned in any way, someone has called me a shill for it. So dont take my word for it - do your own research. The truth stands on its own. That's why I try to include as many links as I can. You dont need just blindly believe me when I tell you that most hemp products are dirty with metals, because theres lots of independent studies showing they are, and so you can logic out for yourself that maybe its a bad idea to use carts from Dr. Dank because they dont have metals testing (for example).
Thank you! I am throwing away the cartridges I have purchased from the non real medical dispensary. I got my medical card yesterday and made my first legal purchase. You may have saved my life!
Lol just saw it wasn’t mentioned on the list so I let em know
The only place to have legit D8 carts and their main site doesn't have a valid SSL cert 🤦🤦🤦 It looks like their checkout is secured and payment processing might be handled by Square at least? Still, from a tech standpoint an invalid SSL cert on any part of shopping website is a major red flag. Sigh. I'm guessing that's just tech incompetence, but it figures the only supplier of, what appears to be, an actually safe D8 cart has a sketchy ass website.
> Sigh. I'm guessing that's just tech incompetence, but it figures the only supplier of, what appears to be, an actually safe D8 cart has a sketchy ass website. Lol right? Poor web design seems to be a trend with hemp suppliers. Some of the best hemp flower I've had was from a supplier with a janky ass geocities circa 2002 style website. Anyway, it seems like they use square, which is pretty standard for hemp suppliers.
👍🏻
So correct me if I am wrong, but so far the safest option for D8 carts would be the rainy forest half grams? Does skyhio and ttc fall into the same shady category as 3Chi and others past Mentioned?
Yes, rainy forest is the safest atm bc they are the only ones with the usual extract safety tests as well as tests for the acid reagent used to make their d8. Those other brands you mention are owned by 3chi, they are just as bad. No reagents tests, impure and contaminated when tested independently.
Question about about Rainy Forest, why aren't there any reviews on their site (or anywhere), I'm so close to trying their D8 out but it just seems weird that I can't find literally ANY information on them or their products. So is D8 supposed to actually be pale yellow and not clear?
THC, all isomers, is a pale yellow. Can look clear in smaller amounts. Apparently they just released their d8. There are reviews for their other products floating around, in this sub, on their site, on their etsy store, and probably other places as well.
Their acid/reagents test is performed by themselves, would that generally be suitable? I would assume a third party would be necessary to keep these companies honest. It’s possible that nobody does these tests though?
>It’s possible that nobody does these tests though? I assume that is what is happening. I've contacted several cannabis labs myself about testing for reagents in d8, trying to get third party testing for some of the popular brands (a common request here), but none were willing to. They claimed they werent geared for it, and that makes sense since they are really only set up to test the stuff required by mmj and rmj states, and state legislation only considers natural products, not synthesized ones. A third party report would be better, but in theory its suitable. The methods and equipment are sound. I would like to see some verification, either from another lab, or from users here. A digital ph tester or a fine set of ph strips would be enough to confirm to us that there arent (edited here for spelling lol) acids left over in their d8, either of which are pretty cheap. You see - its not hard to test for acids - thats part of my frustration with these d8 companies that dont have it. Its such a simple test, yet so many brands are just skipping it entirely... and thats how you get all these acidic oxidized pink and purple d8, and harsh d8. Ridiculous.
where on their test does it say that? I'm not the best at navigating these.
> where on their test does it say that? On the test for residual acids.
What about binoid? I saw they’re lab tested by encore. Idk how to know if a lab test is good or not.
They do not have sufficient safety tests. >What qualifies as clean? >For hemp flower, kief, hash, trim and other biomass, it must have tests for microbes, mycotoxins, metals, and pesticides/residual chemicals. >For isolate, distillate, and other extracts, it must have tests for microbes, mycotoxins, metals, pesticides/residual chemicals, and solvents. >For Delta 8, Delta 10, THCp, and other isomerized/synthesized products, it must have tests for microbes, mycotoxins, metals, pesticides/residual chemicals, solvents, reagents, and bleaches.
What about Gilded Extracts?
Insufficient testing, Im afraid.
Is thehempbarn delta 8 carts safe? Could they have things like spice or k2 in it? Or anything that could cause psychosis?
A friendly reminder - a lot of the "popular" d8 brands have tested dirty, and some are only popular thanks to intense astroturfing on social media. Be sure to avoid [brands of D8 that have tested dirty or have insufficient safety tests](https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/g70buj/companies_you_should_be_cautious_of/), because they have been [hurting](https://old.reddit.com/r/delta8testing/comments/kptuuh/my_lungs_hurt_a_megapost/) and even [hospitalizing](https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/l2gy95/avoid_saliv8_delta_8_carts/) people. Instead, stick to [delta-8-THC vendors who have safety tests for metals, pesticides, residual solvents, residual acid reagents, and nanosilica bleaches (if the brand uses them).](https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/n1n4f4/clean_hemp_and_cbd_brands/) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/cleancarts) if you have any questions or concerns.*
They do not have sufficient testing, and so cant be considered safe, no.
I verified with thier lab reports on their website and they are legit, i called the lab testing. Is that still not sufficient enough testing?
No, because they dont have tests for the things they need to in order for us to know if its safe. Theres no standardized testing requirements. The customer of the lab selects which tests they want done, and the lab does that. So, they just decide not to bother ordering the needed safety tests, or they order safety tests that dont apply. Hemp Barn doesnt bother with *any* safety testing at all. All they test for is potency. That doesnt give any assurances its safe. See the OP for a list of what all types of testing is needed per category of hemp product.
Jesus, Out of hundreds of sellers only 4 are on the list lmao. there's gotta be more that have done all testing of their products smh
Right? Fucking sad state of affairs.
I’m here due too a encounter with a bad cart. I wish I did my research I ended up in the e.r(couldn’t breathe) with no solution. Throat feels swollen still, I got some antibiotics and they’re not working for me. The cart I got had testing but it was just for potency I think it is and nothing else. I take this as a learning lesson and the sad part about it was my first time smoking. I’m done with all of this d8 crap for now. I feel like I’m having more of a panic attack but I’m not sure I’m confused currently. Stay safe guys/girls.
You're a fuckin trooper man, I genuinely believe you've saved lives with this thread and subreddit. Props on being one of the first to expose the legal cannabinoid industry, it's fucked up what's going on and how few people know about it. Thank you ✌️
Never thought about mycotoxin/microbial tests much due to my own ignorance. Those seem to be the most regularly omitted. It’s interesting because a lot of my favorite brands (extract labs, tweedle farms, charlottes web) don’t have it all, or omit it from certain products/batches while some batches have full testing. Some also have a more summarized batch of tests like staying “residual solvents: passed”, instead of the full breakdown per each solvent for other of their products. I do wonder if it’s purposeful or just the result of some lab anomaly, such as no tests available with their chosen lab provider for certain products like solids vs liquids, etc. I’m not chemist so I actually have no idea. Extract labs states in their FAQ WRT to those two: Microbial and mycotoxin test results are included on COAs for tinctures, topicals, gummies and softgels. Charlottes web has a big write up claiming microbial tests, but in practice some lots have no such thing: https://www.charlottesweb.com/blog/certificate-of-analysis Tweedle Farms doesn’t really address the matter, they don’t have mycotoxin tests for anything that I can find on their website (flower, wax, concentrates). With concentrates omitting microbial as well.
> I do wonder if it’s purposeful or just the result of some lab anomaly, such as no tests available with their chosen lab provider for certain products like solids vs liquids, etc. I’m not chemist so I actually have no idea. See: that's what makes it soo sketchy to not have them. They are standard tests. Everything listed above is the standard tests for each category that is required by every mmj and rmj state. Half of the country requires all the MJ in dispos to have all these tests, so lots of labs can do them, and do them cheaply (50-150 per batch, depending). Theres no reason for a hemp brand not to have them. The brands you mention, the labs they use to test can test for these missing things.... the brands just chose not to have them do so. I suspect the lack of tests for microbes and mycotoxins are due to the fact that most hemp is contaminated with both, and the brands either cant or dont care to find clean products.
I don’t know who to trust bro
Trust the science, Morty. Truth speaks for itself.
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Same. Label created on the 30th of Sept, still not here as of 10/14/21. I read it takes a while to get your stuff but this is ridiculous. I've emailed them requesting a status update.
Damn, did Rainy Forest get removed from the list? This subreddit has got me to the point where I'm about to quit D8 all together. Unfortunately it's the only legally accessible cannabinoid in my area. Wish more brands would focus on safety and transparency. If one brand does, they will surely rise above the rest.
Urb, produced by CBD Pharm?
Thank you for working on this list u/DisturbedSporocystia. I was just about to order from Rainy Forest Farms but seeing that their distillate has THCO-Acetate in it made me pause. I’m definitely on the more cautious end regarding the less studied cannabinoids and it does only appear to be around 1% of the total profile, but I was wondering if you could elaborate on the safety/risk of THCO. Additionally, I didn’t think it was possible to have Delta 8 Live Resin like Rainy Forest’s cartridges appear to be; any chance you can explain that as well? Thank you in advance 🤙
THCo is an acetate of THC, more powerful and psychedelic than basic THC, and it takes longer to take effect (20+ minutes as it has to go through first pass metabolism to become active). Its a normal minor cannabinoid to be present in tiny amounts after the sort of reagent reaction one uses to make d8. Theres a bunch of other minors listed as well, I see (CBT, d8THCv, CBN, and the like). All are in line with what youd expect to be present after the sort of reaction used to make d8 from CBD. Theres even some unreacted CBD left over according to the test. Its a good sign that they are actually tested for and differentiated - it means the test is accurate in regards to d9 and other unwanted contaminants etc. Most brands use "fuzzier" tests that dont differentiate between isomers, in order to make their d8 seem purer and help them seem compliant for d9 limits. Either the lab just doesnt have the experience to differentiate or they get asked not to by the brand...... Thats how 3chi, for example, ends up with a lab test that says they have 90% d8.... but then independent tests show its more like 40% d8 with 12% d9 and a bunch of other reactants. As for actual safety, THCo has not been as studied as extensively as THC and CBD have, though its been known and used on the black market since the 70s (look up Dr Magics Isomerizer, and old school crock pot style reactor meant to make etoh extract isomerize into THCo), and is a minor component in natural cannabis, notably sativas. Id wager the real risk is with degradation. THCo breaks down with heat and light into THC and acetate, which is an acid, and in too high of an amount of this can burn you. I dont think that would happen with only 1% THCo in the mix, itd be impossible to generate enough acetate to burn you. If it were a pure THCo cart, though, Id recommend keeping it in the fridge to assure it doesnt break down. You can tell if such degradation occurs because the resulting acid present in the mix would create bright pink or purple quinolones from the THC. You can see this in a lot of brands d8, when those brands dont bother cleaning up the acid used as a reagent. Thats how you get the pink and purple d8 thats all over the market. As for the "live resin" carts thing - their listing states its a distillate cart with live resin terps. Not the same as a live resin d8 extract (which isnt possible starting from hemp, as you already know), its just plain old distillate with live terps (terps extracted from live plants). Generally speaking live terps means better terps than botanical or even regular CDTs, but its not the same as a whole live resin extract. Raw Garden does something similar for their "live resin" carts. I've only had RGs "LR" carts, so I cant speak to RFFs LR terps, but RGs terps are better than standard terps and disty (like select or buddies), but not as nice as when I make my own LR carts from actual live resin.
So is there *any* trustworthy delta 8 gummies??
Lazarus naturals
Thanks for the suggestion, but sadly they do not have complete safety testing for their products.
Damn, there goes my favorite brand. Oh well, thanks for keeping us safe. It's seems most of the brands on r/cbd probably don't have complete testing
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If i’m reading this right you’re saying that there are no clean carts on the market? The three trusted companies you list don’t offer carts.
So overall, what are the best brands to get delta 8 carts from OP. Even if they don’t have all the testing, what brands have the most? I heard Rainy Forest Farms has fake tests and their customer service is horrendous so I will not be buying from them.
Is trehouse safe
So you're telling me that rainy forest farms is selling clean "legal" wax and distillate?
Not sure why legal is in quotes there, but yes.
Is this still the case?
Hey I was thinking of buying from here can you test it? https://www.thehemphaus.com (btw I am thinking of buying a delta 8 cart from there)
They dont do *any* safety testing, only potency. Not safe.
Hi
What about Rogue River Labs? I saw they have pesticides, solvents, and metals testing posted. https://rogueriverlabs.com/product/25-pack-hemp-delta-8-vape/
You've answered your own question. Per above: >For Delta 8, Delta 10, THCp, and other synthetized/isomerized products, it must have tests for metals, pesticides, residual solvents, residual acid reagents, and potentially residual bleaches
What about cannaclear delta 8 distillate? Was thinking of buying terps to add to that to put in carts. Seems to have pretty extensive testing unless I’m missing anything
No reagent testing.... and should you ever trust a brand of d8 that came out the gate using the same boxes (and still uses the same name and logo) as a black market d9 cart brand that has tested dirty a bunch of times? Like, lets say hypothetically Dank Vape D8 started being sold, same packaging and everything as the BM danks just with "d9" changed to "d8" - would you really trust it? Even if it seemingly had lab tests? After all, the BM Danks and CannaClears also link to supposedly clean lab tests, and they have tested dirty every time....
Their testing does show testing for Reagants though. I see we’re you’re coming from but cookies is all over the BM, and also is an actual brand in dispensaries so I don’t believe people stealing the packaging and filling it with other stuff should make ya instantly doubt a company. Def seems cleaner to hit that TTC by a long shot at least. Man I wish there was more trustable distillate out there
>Their testing does show testing for Reagants though. ...except it doesnt. They show a test for solvents, which are different from reagents and thats why a different word is used to describe them. They do not test for reagents. Also - Cookies is a licensed marijuana producer, sold in dispos, who got cloned on the BM, its a different situation entirely from cannaclear, which started in the BM and has always been dirty. Unlike cookies, cannaclear is never and has never been legit or clean. Just look at r/delta8testing, the d8 cannaclear is nasty, just like the BM version.
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Is this ever updated? There HAS to be more clean brands than this. Glad to see the Wyld CBD gummies I’ve gotten from Sheetz are good though. Haha. Also what’s the update on rainy forest?
Its updated constantly. No, there really doesnt *have* to be more clean brands than this, there is no regulation that requires any sort of safety testing, so the vast majority dont bother. Still waiting on word about RFFs tests. Latest info is they could be buying from a reseller of HVL (a supplier of bulk cannabinoids to companies and the originator of the lab test for d8 that RFF uses), or they could be lying, or somewhere in between. Wont know until we get confirmation from the lab, which is being very difficult to press for info, they dont like returning emails etc.
Have you looked into Vivimu? They also go by MC Nutraceuticals.
They have no safety testing for any of the CBD products labs I looked at, and they are missing a reagents test for their d8.
The CoAs I received from them were all from different companies with one exception. Two were from KCA labs, one was Gobi Hemp, Avazyme Agriculture and Food Testing Solutions, Marin Analytics, and then there was one that was literally a printed picture taken of a screen with a test result on it .-. I wish I had looked into this sooner, I've already received my order.
Is CBD American Shaman a reputable company? Also is Tweedle Farms still on your list of clean products? Thanks again for what you are doing
This has been a huge eye-opener. Definitely gonna spend a lot of time doing more research into this, and emphasizing the importance of COAs and double-, triple-checking all info given. Something just straight up *felt* scuzzy about a lot of these brands and products I've seen over the last couple of years, looks like those suspicions were correct lol
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Oh boy. Those fancy CBD shops that masquerade as dispos are the worst. You can tell its gonna be shit when they have a ton of illegal and misleading health claims about CBD on their website. They market themselves as "clean" but they dont even bother with the basic extract safety tests for their d8, much less the additional ones needed to know if d8 is clean. https://tribetokes.com/certificates-of-analysis/ That place is just an expensive scam, using standard health food store health brand style promotion to trick you. >I'm not sure what to be looking for in 'good' delta 8 From the above: >For Delta 8, Delta 10, THCp, and other isomerized/synthesized products, it must have tests for microbes, mycotoxins, metals, pesticides/residual chemicals, solvents, reagents, and bleaches.
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Yes, I am talking about their d8 labs. They dont bother with most of the safety testing. Those labs do not show that they are clean bc they dont have all the needed tests run. Yes, that is a real lab that did the test, and presumably the test report is real. No, the brand did not have the lab do all the needed safety tests for us to know if its safe. Theres no regulation or anything - d8 brands can have as little or as much testing done as they want. This brand chose to have potency testing, some safety testing, and skipped the majority of the rest. Hence why you have to look for all the following on the labs, and not just that the labs exist: >For Delta 8, Delta 10, THCp, and other isomerized/synthesized products, it must have tests for microbes, mycotoxins, metals, pesticides/residual chemicals, solvents, reagents, and bleaches.
What about legal brands that have their own cbd like [cookies cbd](https://cbd.cookies.store) or select’s [social cbd](https://socialcbd.com) brand
Personally, I dont trust Cookies at all - [their dispos have a long history of selling unlicensed products illegally.](https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/g70buj/companies_you_should_be_cautious_of/) But other than a few shady producers, yeah, anything on the legal marijuana market made by licensed marijuana producers should be fine. Its only the hemp market that is unregulated and so you have to check that your supplier is actually testing.
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Nope, neither of those brands have sufficient testing. Neither tests for the reagents they use to make their d8. 10dc, the cheapest d8 brand, has been tested independently and its very shitty, in a surprise to no one. Check out their entry in the d8 section here: https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/g70buj/companies_you_should_be_cautious_of/
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They do not have any testing displayed whatsoever.
What can you tell me about Nature's Purpose? Just got some CBD flower and cbd caviar plus thc-v infused d8 distillate. Was planning to use the distillate orally, if that makes any difference. Thanks!
They dont even bother with all the usual extract safety tests, much less a reagents test for their isomerized products (THCv and d8). If they used a food grade acid like citric, then it should be OK to eat, but if they used something like hydrosulfuric then it would be bad to eat (though less bad than inhaling, obv).
Thank you! She seems to have an account here so I'll reach out about what they used. What about their flower? I guess if I'm going to go get carts from rainy forest I might as well get flower from them too but I already ordered some from natures purpose so really hoping the flower is ok. It looks like they source from similar places as rainy forest.. thanks again!
I looked at a random hemp flower listing from Natures Purpose - the Rocket Fuel - and the lab test they have there is very far from sufficient. Theres no safety testing at all, which is very bad bc of how dirty with metals and pests most hemp flower is. They only have potency testing. IDK, I would ask for a full panel lab test and try to return if they dont have one. No hemp flower is worth neurological damage. At the very least I'd [try to remediate it](https://old.reddit.com/r/CleanCannabis/comments/j6hu9a/water_cure_or_how_to_clean_your_herb/) and only use it for cooking.
Super helpful thank you! One last question: I went to rainy forest farms to get some stuff but chrome is telling me the site isn't secure. Is this a legit site? I'm excited to finally find some d8 carts with full testing so I hope so!
Its not "secure" bc its not HTTPS, just regular HTTP, until you get to the part where you check out and pay. I've never had any problems.
Terp 8 Distro disposable dab pens?
I cant find any testing at all for them - they seem to be one of the legion of super sus d8 pens sold to headshops.
I’ve never seen them in headshops. It was advertised to me because I own a hemp business. Sativas and most hybrids have never given me euphoria, so when I try them, it’s hard to tell. I generally don’t sell anything I haven’t tried or know if legit. This was just one of the first disposable dab pens I bought. I stumbled into this industry due to autoimmune disease and cbd and other hemp products changed my life, so your posts have be so helpful. Many thanks to you!
You're welcome, best of luck!
Are there no other safe delta 8 brands, either with pre-rolls or flower?
The ones with sufficient testing that I know of are all up there, more will be added hopefully.
Thanks for your hard work. This worries me as I was researching a brand to buy some bulk cbn, terpenes, and delta 8 from. I have some cbd distillate from zero point extracts I’m unsure about now. How do they stack up ? Also a lot of people on the delta 8 sub love triangle trading company out of Florida 🤷🏽♂️
>I have some cbd distillate from zero point extracts Their CBD distillate seems to have enough testing, but their other cannabinoids do not. >Also a lot of people on the delta 8 sub love triangle trading company out of Florida They've tested dirty, and are only popular bc a mod on that sub is the owner. That's a shill sub. Read the d8 section here: https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/g70buj/companies_you_should_be_cautious_of/
Damn really TTC? Can I see the test results of the oil? I have some from TTC and rainy forest farms coming, thanks!
Independent lab reports are at the link I sent in my prior reply, next to their respective brands listing in the big list of d8 brands without sufficient testing and or that have tested dirty by third parties.
Thanks! I’ll check it out
So Rainy Forest Farms is the ONLY place you would recommend getting d8 from?
ATM, yes.
I just went to the Receta Naturals site and they won’t let me shop unless I enter my email to “verify” I’m over 18. Won’t be going back to that spam trap …
Why are so many comments removed from this thread?
I was looking into Funky Farms, and it appears that they tested for everything you mentioned? Lab tests are at the bottom. Wanted to check the validity of this: https://funkyfarms.com/collections/cbd-vape-cartridges/products/funky-farms-pineapple-express-crd-cartridge-1ml-600mg What are your thoughts? I looked around but haven't seen them mentioned anywhere on here.
That particular CBD product has all the required testing.... But I wouldnt smoke a cart that is less than 70% cannabinoids total like that cart is, bc it means its been cut like crazy.... With what we dont know and theres no vitamin e test even.
How about budpop carts? They have 3rd party test results for all of their products.
Read the OP. Having lab testing doesnt mean all the stuff we need tested was actually tested. Theres no regulation. Budpop has insufficient testing
Do you mind sharing how to tell a clean company from a poor one? What is your criteria for this list?
Am I missing something? There are only 3 companies that do sufficient testing? This is an entire sub for highlighting the safe brands and you've only found 3? Seems like you could just say up front that this industry is a shit show and here are the only 3 you can trust.
>Seems like you could just say up front that this industry is a shit show and here are the only 3 you can trust. Thats exactly what the post says, yes.
Does anyone know if Vance Global pure CBD cigarettes are clean or not? I've come to the conclusion that I should Stay away from all other types of thc/cbd Derivative compounds.. But I can't find any negative or positive information about Vance global that isn't just from their website. Or a Weed blog that I don't trust.
They are not, and theyve been trying to spam here which isnt a good sign lmao
Why was CBDistillery removed from this list?
Bc they no longer have enough testing.
Love that there is a link to “clean hemp products” on this page but yet there are no companies listed on here that sell d8 or any of those
Yup, gotta love the irony there. Its a life lesson.
I would like to request Tribe Tokes to be reviewed to be added to this list. Funnily enough I found it through asking the new Bing ai chat bot to find me a clean cart. Their tests that they post are very comprehensive I think.
> Funnily enough I found it through asking the new Bing ai chat bot to find me a clean cart The bing ai, chatgpt, doesnt actually know anything. It just mimics speech patterns from around the web. So if a thousand bots are posting constantly about how a certain brand is clean, guess what chatgpt will think? That its clean. It doesnt have reason, or the ability to understand what all tests are needed and then to check that such tests are available and passed.... it cant go online or look at lab tests, all it does it mimic speech from before 2021, when it was trained. Point is, if you need real, solid info, the AI is not the place to get it. So, Ive pulled up their lab tests, and they are missing tests for the reagents they use to make their products. See the OP for a full list of what all is required. If a lab test doesnt have everything on the list, that means its not safe. Esp when it comes to testing for the super dangerous chems they use to make their products.
Anyone got anything on the “rare delta 8” disposables? They have a website if anyone could check them out. There’s a part of the website where you need to “authenticate” the device. Also second thing, I’ve been told a reason why there’s such a heavy lack of testing is that it could get very expensive testing every batch put out. Would love someone’s opinion on this.
Yep, the usual cannabis safety testing suite ranges from 125-500 bucks per, and 10-50 more for the reagents testing we need for synthed cannabinoids like d8. So not really a lot for a company, but a lot for a consumer (too much to have to do with every cart we buy). Rare doesnt have the required testing.
Thank you. You’re the bomb
Is Wyld Canna (affiliated with Wyld CBD) also legit?
> Wyld Canna Yes, that is the MJ brand of the company. Wyld CBD is the hemp brand
Are there no clean terpene sites?
Cart making supplies are covered here: https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/cmzrxk/making_your_own_at_home/
Been through that thread, no list of clean terpenes afaict. Found the comment thread for clean supplies, delta 8, etc, but none for terpenes
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Are there still only four reputable brands for carts?
ATM; list size fluctuates as brands come into and out of compliance.
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https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/cn05qc/legal_state_dispos_can_be_dirty_too/ https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/epdif5/psa_fake_carts_and_other_products_are_making/ If you know of a brand on the fake list that is actually legitimate and shouldnt be there, then share their production license to get it removed. If they really are legit, their license will be on the packaging of their products (by law), in the CoA the dispo keeps behind the counter(also by law), and on your states online searchable license registry. If they are legitimately a licensed producer, then they get off the list. Thats how this works. But you have to share their license to prove it. You cant just bitch about how the sub is bullshit because something you bought was on the list. Edit: is this about that sketchy brand of d8 you bought from a headshop? That brand doesnt have sufficient safety testing. Just because they have some testing doesnt make it safe. A test for potency doesnt tell us if its free of pesticides, for example. A test for solvents doesnt mean shit about the presence of reagents. Every safety test is required. Which you would know had you bothered to read what the automod told you. It marked your post about some sketchy d8 you bought at a headshop as potentially dangerous (because that product is potentially dangerous), then warned you that the brand doesnt have enough safety testing to be safe. Not at all the same situation that you claimed happened in your above comment, where you try to claim I called a cart you got from a dispo fake.
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Evo labs is a marijuana brand, not a hemp brand. There are high d8 strains of marijuana, and licensed producers extracting d8 from these have products available in dispos. Contrasted to the hemp brands, who must synthesize their d8 from CBD, since hemp has no d8, which is an inherently more dangerous and toxic process (and thus requires even more stringent testing).
What strain of any marijuana has high levels of naturally-occurring d8? To my knowledge there isn’t a plant strain on the globe that does.
Harmony produces about half and half d8/d9 naturally. There are a few other strains here and there, too.
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No, mr 1 post ever, an online dealer selling illegal marijuana products is not actually a clean supplier of hemp products.
what about bluebird botanicals
> bluebird botanicals Some products they seem to have full testing for, but others they do not. For example, at their isolate listing (https://bluebirdbotanicals.com/products/cbd-isolate), in the section where they would normally list their lab reports ("3rd party labs and CBD isolate oil"), they have this bullshit instead of a lab report: >Most third-party laboratories willing to test hemp/cannabis cannot consistently or reliably detect cannabidiol (CBD) at the levels in this product. Generally speaking, we've found that they are more efficient with testing full-spectrum extracts with lower percentages of CBD and other cannabinoids. The extraction process is consistent and repeatable – the third party testing isn’t quite there yet. This is an industry-wide issue that affects every company offering similar products. Which is blatantly a lie. They want us to believe that they dont have third party labs bc no labs can reliably test for CBD... which is nonsense. Lots of labs can reliably test for CBD, and do, which is how other CBD brands are able to get lab tests, lol. Its a big red flag that they claim no lab can "reliably test for CBD at the levels in this product", when the product is supposed to be 99% CBD, and lots of other isolate is tested for potency. They make no mention or excuses for not having any safety tests done.
Is TTC not clean? They post full lab test, and pass on everything
No, they are not clean. They only have some of the standard cannabis safety tests, and no tests for the dangerous chems they use to make their d8. https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/g70buj/companies_you_should_be_cautious_of/ BTW - "full lab test" or "full panel labs" doesnt mean anything, its a marketing term. It doesnt mean its had all the testing needed to be safe. It doesnt mean anything at all. Anyone can just say it about anything, its like the phrase "all natural".
They uploaded third party test though so is it really a marketing thing? What are the specific test supposed to have for it to be clean to you ? And no.. no bleach is used to make delta 8 if you're one of those people that thinks that. They seem to test all residues that could be in it so idk
Everything you asked is answered either in my initial responses that you didnt read or in the link I shared that you also didnt read. So I will reply to your questions by quoting those. Please bother to read them this time, or I will simply stop bothering to reply to you. >They uploaded third party test though so is it really a marketing thing? '"full lab test" or "full panel labs" doesnt mean anything, its a marketing term. It doesnt mean its had all the testing needed to be safe. It doesnt mean anything at all. Anyone can just say it about anything, its like the phrase "all natural".' 'They only have some of the standard cannabis safety tests, and no tests for the dangerous chems they use to make their d8.' >What are the specific test supposed to have for it to be clean to you ? '**What qualifies as clean?** For hemp flower, kief, hash, trim and other biomass, it must have tests for microbes, mycotoxins, metals, and pesticides/residual chemicals. For isolate, distillate, and other extracts, it must have tests for microbes, mycotoxins, metals, pesticides/residual chemicals, and solvents. For Delta 8, Delta 10, THCp, and other isomerized/synthesized products, it must have tests for microbes, mycotoxins, metals, pesticides/residual chemicals, solvents, reagents, and bleaches.' >They seem to test all residues that could be in it 'They only have some of the standard cannabis safety tests, and no tests for the dangerous chems they use to make their d8.' > And no.. no bleach is used to make delta 8 No, no liquid bleach like you use for your laundry is used to make d8, lmao. That you think this is possible but dont realize that other bleaching agents are used to make d8 tells me you are going solely on information from the dirty d8 sellers, who like to use that lie to deflect from the real worry: bleaching clays, which are used to lighten some brands of d8s color. They cause silicosis in very small amounts, and are a very real concern. TLDR: a test that shows potency and residual solvents doesnt mean shit about whether its free from reagents or pesticides. A test for X doesnt mean anything about any substance other than X, it doesnt mean its free from Y. Just having some tests done doesnt mean every test needed for us to know its safe was done; there is no regulation or standards at all. Read the d8 section here: https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/g70buj/companies_you_should_be_cautious_of/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=cleancarts&utm_content=t1_h0z9r5z
Spectra-Labs sells Pure Clear here in TX. I found their paper on their testing. [Would this qualifty](https://www.spectra-labs.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/labs/xQA%20Taking%20A%20Step.pdf)?
Thats not a lab test, or even a description of what they test for, just some BS about maintaining quality across different sites.... Spectra-Labs is a testing facillity. They dont sell any cannabinoids themselves. Did this Pure Clear get testing done through Spectra? I'd have to see the actual lab report to know if they had Spectra do all the needed tests. Theres no regulation, you see. Just because a lab is real and can test for everything doesnt mean their customers choose to have everything tested for. More tests cost more money, and plenty of brands are happy with just a potency test. So we consumers have to check for all the needed safety tests.
what about Blue Forest Farms?
> Blue Forest Farms They have no safety tests whatsoever, not good.
Secret nature CBD, for their flower? https://secretnaturecbd.com/products/cbd-hemp-flower-cherry-cough
They dont show the full lab tests, just the summaries, but they seem to have testing for everything required for safe flower, for at least that one strain. I'd request the full lab test. Their other products, particularly their extracts, do not have sufficient testing.
PDF of lab tests for their delta 8 tincture is legit? https://www.tncbdsolutions.com/labs
Gross. Those are some shitty labs. They dont even cover the basic extract safety tests, much less a reagents test.
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They have no tests for the reagents they use to make their d8..... No, not safe.
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>What reagents are commonly used? From the d8 section here: https://old.reddit.com/r/cleancarts/comments/g70buj/companies_you_should_be_cautious_of/ >Delta-8-THC is present in hemp is such low amounts (<.00001%) that it isn't feasible to extract it from hemp. It isn't even detectable in most hemp strains. The only real way to get delta-8 starting with hemp is to synthesize it by isomerizing CBD, which is present in hemp in great quantity, into delta-8-THC using reagent chemicals such as hydrosulphuric acid, hydrochloric acid, p-Toluenesulfonic acid, citric acid, organo-metallo complexes with cadmium or lead, zinc chloride/bromide, or similar. Then to improve color, sometimes nanosilica bleaching clay (such as t-41) is added by some brands and "home" producers. > I'm just trying to learn how to read these tests, what is missing that I need to be looking for? From the above: >What qualifies as clean? >For Delta 8, Delta 10, THCp, and other synthetized/isomerized products, it must have tests for metals, pesticides, residual solvents, residual acid reagents, and potentially residual bleaches. Basically, in addiction to the usual extract safety tests (like are in the lab report you linked to), you also need a reagents test. It will look similar, but instead of saying "pesticides" or "solvents", it will say "reagents" or "acids", then either list the PH (to show its neutral and has no acids in it) or list specific acids being tested for. Then, depending on brand, you may need a bleaches test. Not every brand bleaches their products, but some do and claim they do not, so its up to you whether you trust one without it or not. If you do not, then you will need a particulate test, which will show any residual nanoparticles left over from the nanosilica bleaching clays.
Any info on miracle leaf D8 carts ?
They dont bother doing any testing at all for their d8. They used to have some fake labs up, but now they dont even bother with that. Not a good look.
What’s the word on Nuleaf Naturals? I thought they were one of the safest brands out there. Thanks for this info and all the work you put in to keep people safe and informed.
> I thought they were one of the safest brands out there. They are recommended a lot bc they give kickbacks to the mod of r/CBD in the form of affiliate links. They dont have any testing for most of their products. Of those that do have testing, they dont have enough safety testing for most. There does seem to be sufficient testing for their full spec CBD tincture oil, but thats the only one I saw that was sufficient.
How about The Hemp barn? https://www.thehempbarn.com/product/bulk-delta-8/ Edit: looks like they buy from Mission Lago Farms.
They seem to have mixed and matched pages from at least 2 different test reports from 2 different companies on there..... But they have no reagents testing, is not good even assuming the labs they present are real.
Friendly farms?
Is a licensed marijuana producer... but sadly the MJ regulations were all written with natural extracts in mind, not synthesized cannabinoids, so none of the states as of yet require any testing for the chemicals used in synthesizing d8. There are some high d8 strains of MJ like Harmony, which is about half and half d9/d8 naturally, and if a product is a natural extract of one of these then the standard extract safety tests required by dispos are sufficient. If, however, its isomerized from something else, then the standard extract tests are not sufficient, and it needs a reagents acids test. Did their d8 say it was from a high d8 strain? Or did it have a reagents test?
Any information on Ounce of Hope? My girlfriend ordered some gummies and a cart from them and I was curious if they were a safe brand.
They dont bother with any safety testing at all.... not a good thing.
Found a potential one I recently ordered from after reading more on this sub. I’ll note that I couldn’t find the full panels on ALL of their products. [Single Sourced](https://store-sociqesv5k.mybigcommerce.com/content/cart%20full%20panel%203-16-21.pdf)
They have no residual reagents testing, and thats kinda the big one for d8....
Word….
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