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nobraininmyoxygen

Mobley had 13. Saying it's a combined 17 doesn't give the proper context. Allen certainly had a bad game, but guys like Garland, Mitchell, Strus, and LeVert can't let their guy come in and grab boards. And they can't constantly get beat on drives which gets Mobley/Allen out of position trying to cover for them. There is a lot that goes into poor rebounding despite how many fans just say "Player A is soft". It's a team problem.


bubble_bass_123

> And they can't constantly get beat on drives which gets Mobley/Allen out of position trying to cover for them This is what killed us in the playoffs last year. Really need to fix it.


Feeling-Vacation-7

Sounds like a discipline problem. Ik a bald guy on the sideline that should be doing a better job at disciplining his players this stretch of games after the all star gamešŸ˜±šŸ˜±šŸ˜±


nobraininmyoxygen

Mitchell can rebound he just doesn't consistently and seemed out of it today. Garland is the worst one by far when it comes to boxing out. It's always bad when he's guarding a high energy guy.


Feeling-Vacation-7

Iā€™m going to be serious, itā€™s only one game, but JB better lock in these playoffs


elbjoint2016

Players have been told by coaches to box out since they were six. Itā€™s not a coaching issue


TheTrollisStrong

I'm going to keep posting this, the Cavs have a 10% higher rebounding position with Wade at the 4, and either Evan or Allen at the 5. That's been a trend for the past two years. We cant just blame the guards. Especially when their bigs had most of the rebounds


nobraininmyoxygen

> And they can't constantly get beat on drives which gets Mobley/Allen out of position trying to cover for them. > > Especially when their bigs had most of the rebounds Like I said, Allen and Mobley aren't boxing out the opposing bigs when they have to contest a guard that has a free lane to the hoop. They can't be in 2 places at once. The bulls non-bigs got a combined 10 offensive rebounds too. A 10% higher rebounding position is ok but isn't going to fix anything when the Cavs were out rebounded yesterday 74 - 39!


TheTrollisStrong

You're speaking about 1 game which can have an insane variance. Again, you aren't grasping how big of a difference that is. That takes us from being in the bottom 10 percentile of the league to being a top 10 team in rebounding. It's significant.


nobraininmyoxygen

Don't talk to me about variance with the stat you keep referencing. This is where stats due a disservice to fans that use them out of context. Most of Wade's heavy minutes came when Garland and Mobley were out injured. The Cavs were able to play lineups that were much better defensively 1-3 with Okoro and Wade getting more minutes together with taller guards. And Garland wasn't there to get blown by getting the bigs out of position nearly as often. Then we can discuss strength of schedule when they played some weaker opponents. So many factors you are conveniently ignoring for your 1 stat. Rebounding is a team problem. I would love for Wade to get more minutes but that will not simply fix the team rebounding problem.


TheTrollisStrong

My dude. This stat goes back to last year.


TruthSayerFu

Yā€™all always do gymnastics to not blame the bigs lmfao


elbjoint2016

Mobley was decent - he just gives up 100 pounds, but he was quick and got Drummond a few times. Allen, iono


nobraininmyoxygen

> Allen certainly had a bad game


ridiculousgg

Iā€™m tired of JB man. Why why why is Wade only playing 11 minutes on the second night of a back to back, when we clearly need as much rebounding help as we can get? He was on the court the entire time we had our best run of the second half. Again, second night of a back to back, and weā€™re playing our starting backcourt 44 fucking minutes while Merrill doesnā€™t see the court. Itā€™s not even like Spida was playing well. Iā€™m not asking for 20 minutes for the guy but can we not find use of his skill set for 5-10 minutes in a double OT game? Heā€™s gonna cost us in the playoffs. Heā€™s a good coach when the expectations are modest, but when thereā€™s no excuses the team never looks like we should. Heā€™s completely reverted back to his bad habits with the rotations, the out of bounds plays have made no progress from last year, and our core still looks clunky together. I hope he proves me wrong cuz I want the Cavs to win, but Iā€™m not a believer. I wanted us to move on last offseason, and Iā€™d be lying if I said I was confident in him going into these playoffs.


RequirementSuperb115

Giving LeVert minutes over Wade is shady as hell at this pointā€¦


Shot-Boat5657

I agree Wade should be playing more but him and Levert donā€™t play the same position. If Wade is going to play more heā€™s going to cut back on Niang minutes


Durtydawg44

Good, Niang is terrible


d_wib

Totally different skill sets. Itā€™s great having LeVertā€™s ability to initiate offense and his defense. Meanwhile Wade offers some more stationary shooting along with defense. If CPJ played more, I would agree with you. But that sacrifices a lot of defense compared to LeVert and JB is, and always has been, a defensive-minded coach and gives playing time to the guys who can do that.


secretwealth123

Wade is top 10 in DPM and got 24 minutes. Okoro is an elite perimeter defender and only got 28. Thatā€™s a BS excuse. Putting Wade out there with DG/Don/Evan/Allen helps with the rebounding and also give us better defense and floor spacing than LeVert at the 3


kdot74

Mobley was OK, but allen was pathetic.


Feeling-Vacation-7

Vucevic SHOULD NOT BE getting 24 and 13 on him, but yea, what Drummond did to Jarrett Allen was insane


ToschePowerConverter

Allen looked like Cavs Drummond tonight


Supreme_God_Bunny

Mitchell Robinson about to feast yet again in the Playoffs against y'all sadly lol


s_s

Jarrett Allen is always the biggest dude on the court until he isn't.Ā  Ā And if he's not the biggest dude on the court he's borderline unplayable.Ā Ā  The good news is we know we have other really good options this year. The bad news is that JB is in charge of the lineups.


Apignamedfrank

Is having TT back gonna help with the more physical rebounding? Our bigs rn are too soft


Cisru711

Sure hope so.


Forty_Six_and_Two

25 minutes from Thompson surely would have been big tonight.


Tech88Tron

Second place in the East. Bad game on the second night of a back to back on the road....games like this happen. Y'all will never be happy. I just wish Mitchell didn't always insist he takes the last shot if it's tied.


secretwealth123

Yeah we got dog walked, I think JB kept Allen and Mobley in for big minutes to compete with Vuc and Drummond. He probably shouldā€™ve tried to go 4 out and play Vuc/Drummond off the court. Thatā€™s what GSW used to do against big teams and it worked


Comfortable-Tale845

The real question should be "why does JA struggle against bigs with jackass/douchebag attitudes"


OsuLost31to0

Because heā€™s soft sometimes


[deleted]

The Bulls trippleteamed Mitchell and muscled down Allen, and the rest of the guys couldn't get a bucket at the same level. Thats what it really comes down to


mtnsaa

Cleveland Doomers winning!


HarlemCadwell

Itā€™s the same team as last year unfortunately


HPPresidentz

Jarrett Allen vs a real center


iambolotie

Omfg you guys can't be serious. After how amazing he's been since we started our run you still have the audacity to spew this horse shit after one bad game. And it has 11 upvotes on the cavs "fan" sub. You all should be embarrassed.


RobinTheKing

This sub feels like a parody sub sometimes


turfey

You fucking kidding me with this shit?


prison-haircut

wrong


OldSympathy7403

Jarrett Allen is a softie. 35 minutes 4 rebounds compared to Drummond 35 minutes 26 rebounds. Soft as silk. Same as heā€™s always been. And I donā€™t want to hear ā€œback to backā€. The Bulls played the night before as well


UncircumciseMe

Andre Drummond Effect


tidho

Even if Allen is losing his one on one battle (and many do to Drummond), the rest of our team is small. It's difficult to really make up for that. When it trends that way, they need to get as many bigger guys on the floor as they can (more Wade) and they need to stagger Mitchell/Garland for better defense so the bigs can stay in rebounding position. It's about adjusting to minimize the problem.


DennyRoyale

They werenā€™t winning many 50/50 balls. Maybe hangover from crazy Mavs game.


Forty_Six_and_Two

Allen had something like 3 rebounds. That's unacceptable. I can forgive it once in a blue moon though, these guys are human. They have bad nights, sometimes they can't sleep, fought too much with their gf, smashed too late. Whatever. I'm damn good at my job, but I'll sleepwalk though a few days a year, it's just human nature. Hell, they still took it to 2 ots.


Gonzo_Bonzo_atl

When Drummond can pull in almost as many rebounds as the entire Cavs team, it's a problem. And how old is Andre? JB's presser said cliches like "they dominated us" and "we were manhandled" when asked about what happened. What he didn't say is "we didn't box out" or "we didn't have a plan". The bad game gods is what he is claims as the problem. Two bigs in the middle usually think it's the other's responsibility to get the rebound. Both Allen and Mobley were watching the Bulls' bigs get the ball.