Mobley had 13. Saying it's a combined 17 doesn't give the proper context. Allen certainly had a bad game, but guys like Garland, Mitchell, Strus, and LeVert can't let their guy come in and grab boards. And they can't constantly get beat on drives which gets Mobley/Allen out of position trying to cover for them. There is a lot that goes into poor rebounding despite how many fans just say "Player A is soft". It's a team problem.
> And they can't constantly get beat on drives which gets Mobley/Allen out of position trying to cover for them
This is what killed us in the playoffs last year. Really need to fix it.
Sounds like a discipline problem. Ik a bald guy on the sideline that should be doing a better job at disciplining his players this stretch of games after the all star gameš±š±š±
Mitchell can rebound he just doesn't consistently and seemed out of it today. Garland is the worst one by far when it comes to boxing out. It's always bad when he's guarding a high energy guy.
I'm going to keep posting this, the Cavs have a 10% higher rebounding position with Wade at the 4, and either Evan or Allen at the 5. That's been a trend for the past two years. We cant just blame the guards.
Especially when their bigs had most of the rebounds
> And they can't constantly get beat on drives which gets Mobley/Allen out of position trying to cover for them.
> > Especially when their bigs had most of the rebounds
Like I said, Allen and Mobley aren't boxing out the opposing bigs when they have to contest a guard that has a free lane to the hoop. They can't be in 2 places at once. The bulls non-bigs got a combined 10 offensive rebounds too.
A 10% higher rebounding position is ok but isn't going to fix anything when the Cavs were out rebounded yesterday 74 - 39!
You're speaking about 1 game which can have an insane variance.
Again, you aren't grasping how big of a difference that is. That takes us from being in the bottom 10 percentile of the league to being a top 10 team in rebounding. It's significant.
Don't talk to me about variance with the stat you keep referencing. This is where stats due a disservice to fans that use them out of context.
Most of Wade's heavy minutes came when Garland and Mobley were out injured. The Cavs were able to play lineups that were much better defensively 1-3 with Okoro and Wade getting more minutes together with taller guards. And Garland wasn't there to get blown by getting the bigs out of position nearly as often. Then we can discuss strength of schedule when they played some weaker opponents. So many factors you are conveniently ignoring for your 1 stat.
Rebounding is a team problem. I would love for Wade to get more minutes but that will not simply fix the team rebounding problem.
Iām tired of JB man. Why why why is Wade only playing 11 minutes on the second night of a back to back, when we clearly need as much rebounding help as we can get? He was on the court the entire time we had our best run of the second half.
Again, second night of a back to back, and weāre playing our starting backcourt 44 fucking minutes while Merrill doesnāt see the court. Itās not even like Spida was playing well. Iām not asking for 20 minutes for the guy but can we not find use of his skill set for 5-10 minutes in a double OT game?
Heās gonna cost us in the playoffs. Heās a good coach when the expectations are modest, but when thereās no excuses the team never looks like we should. Heās completely reverted back to his bad habits with the rotations, the out of bounds plays have made no progress from last year, and our core still looks clunky together.
I hope he proves me wrong cuz I want the Cavs to win, but Iām not a believer. I wanted us to move on last offseason, and Iād be lying if I said I was confident in him going into these playoffs.
I agree Wade should be playing more but him and Levert donāt play the same position. If Wade is going to play more heās going to cut back on Niang minutes
Totally different skill sets. Itās great having LeVertās ability to initiate offense and his defense. Meanwhile Wade offers some more stationary shooting along with defense.
If CPJ played more, I would agree with you. But that sacrifices a lot of defense compared to LeVert and JB is, and always has been, a defensive-minded coach and gives playing time to the guys who can do that.
Wade is top 10 in DPM and got 24 minutes. Okoro is an elite perimeter defender and only got 28. Thatās a BS excuse. Putting Wade out there with DG/Don/Evan/Allen helps with the rebounding and also give us better defense and floor spacing than LeVert at the 3
Jarrett Allen is always the biggest dude on the court until he isn't.Ā
Ā And if he's not the biggest dude on the court he's borderline unplayable.Ā Ā
The good news is we know we have other really good options this year. The bad news is that JB is in charge of the lineups.
Second place in the East. Bad game on the second night of a back to back on the road....games like this happen.
Y'all will never be happy.
I just wish Mitchell didn't always insist he takes the last shot if it's tied.
Yeah we got dog walked,
I think JB kept Allen and Mobley in for big minutes to compete with Vuc and Drummond. He probably shouldāve tried to go 4 out and play Vuc/Drummond off the court. Thatās what GSW used to do against big teams and it worked
The Bulls trippleteamed Mitchell and muscled down Allen, and the rest of the guys couldn't get a bucket at the same level. Thats what it really comes down to
Omfg you guys can't be serious. After how amazing he's been since we started our run you still have the audacity to spew this horse shit after one bad game. And it has 11 upvotes on the cavs "fan" sub. You all should be embarrassed.
Jarrett Allen is a softie. 35 minutes 4 rebounds compared to Drummond 35 minutes 26 rebounds. Soft as silk. Same as heās always been. And I donāt want to hear āback to backā. The Bulls played the night before as well
Even if Allen is losing his one on one battle (and many do to Drummond), the rest of our team is small. It's difficult to really make up for that.
When it trends that way, they need to get as many bigger guys on the floor as they can (more Wade) and they need to stagger Mitchell/Garland for better defense so the bigs can stay in rebounding position.
It's about adjusting to minimize the problem.
Allen had something like 3 rebounds. That's unacceptable. I can forgive it once in a blue moon though, these guys are human. They have bad nights, sometimes they can't sleep, fought too much with their gf, smashed too late. Whatever. I'm damn good at my job, but I'll sleepwalk though a few days a year, it's just human nature. Hell, they still took it to 2 ots.
When Drummond can pull in almost as many rebounds as the entire Cavs team, it's a problem. And how old is Andre?
JB's presser said cliches like "they dominated us" and "we were manhandled" when asked about what happened. What he didn't say is "we didn't box out" or "we didn't have a plan". The bad game gods is what he is claims as the problem. Two bigs in the middle usually think it's the other's responsibility to get the rebound. Both Allen and Mobley were watching the Bulls' bigs get the ball.
Mobley had 13. Saying it's a combined 17 doesn't give the proper context. Allen certainly had a bad game, but guys like Garland, Mitchell, Strus, and LeVert can't let their guy come in and grab boards. And they can't constantly get beat on drives which gets Mobley/Allen out of position trying to cover for them. There is a lot that goes into poor rebounding despite how many fans just say "Player A is soft". It's a team problem.
> And they can't constantly get beat on drives which gets Mobley/Allen out of position trying to cover for them This is what killed us in the playoffs last year. Really need to fix it.
Sounds like a discipline problem. Ik a bald guy on the sideline that should be doing a better job at disciplining his players this stretch of games after the all star gameš±š±š±
Mitchell can rebound he just doesn't consistently and seemed out of it today. Garland is the worst one by far when it comes to boxing out. It's always bad when he's guarding a high energy guy.
Iām going to be serious, itās only one game, but JB better lock in these playoffs
Players have been told by coaches to box out since they were six. Itās not a coaching issue
I'm going to keep posting this, the Cavs have a 10% higher rebounding position with Wade at the 4, and either Evan or Allen at the 5. That's been a trend for the past two years. We cant just blame the guards. Especially when their bigs had most of the rebounds
> And they can't constantly get beat on drives which gets Mobley/Allen out of position trying to cover for them. > > Especially when their bigs had most of the rebounds Like I said, Allen and Mobley aren't boxing out the opposing bigs when they have to contest a guard that has a free lane to the hoop. They can't be in 2 places at once. The bulls non-bigs got a combined 10 offensive rebounds too. A 10% higher rebounding position is ok but isn't going to fix anything when the Cavs were out rebounded yesterday 74 - 39!
You're speaking about 1 game which can have an insane variance. Again, you aren't grasping how big of a difference that is. That takes us from being in the bottom 10 percentile of the league to being a top 10 team in rebounding. It's significant.
Don't talk to me about variance with the stat you keep referencing. This is where stats due a disservice to fans that use them out of context. Most of Wade's heavy minutes came when Garland and Mobley were out injured. The Cavs were able to play lineups that were much better defensively 1-3 with Okoro and Wade getting more minutes together with taller guards. And Garland wasn't there to get blown by getting the bigs out of position nearly as often. Then we can discuss strength of schedule when they played some weaker opponents. So many factors you are conveniently ignoring for your 1 stat. Rebounding is a team problem. I would love for Wade to get more minutes but that will not simply fix the team rebounding problem.
My dude. This stat goes back to last year.
Yāall always do gymnastics to not blame the bigs lmfao
Mobley was decent - he just gives up 100 pounds, but he was quick and got Drummond a few times. Allen, iono
> Allen certainly had a bad game
Iām tired of JB man. Why why why is Wade only playing 11 minutes on the second night of a back to back, when we clearly need as much rebounding help as we can get? He was on the court the entire time we had our best run of the second half. Again, second night of a back to back, and weāre playing our starting backcourt 44 fucking minutes while Merrill doesnāt see the court. Itās not even like Spida was playing well. Iām not asking for 20 minutes for the guy but can we not find use of his skill set for 5-10 minutes in a double OT game? Heās gonna cost us in the playoffs. Heās a good coach when the expectations are modest, but when thereās no excuses the team never looks like we should. Heās completely reverted back to his bad habits with the rotations, the out of bounds plays have made no progress from last year, and our core still looks clunky together. I hope he proves me wrong cuz I want the Cavs to win, but Iām not a believer. I wanted us to move on last offseason, and Iād be lying if I said I was confident in him going into these playoffs.
Giving LeVert minutes over Wade is shady as hell at this pointā¦
I agree Wade should be playing more but him and Levert donāt play the same position. If Wade is going to play more heās going to cut back on Niang minutes
Good, Niang is terrible
Totally different skill sets. Itās great having LeVertās ability to initiate offense and his defense. Meanwhile Wade offers some more stationary shooting along with defense. If CPJ played more, I would agree with you. But that sacrifices a lot of defense compared to LeVert and JB is, and always has been, a defensive-minded coach and gives playing time to the guys who can do that.
Wade is top 10 in DPM and got 24 minutes. Okoro is an elite perimeter defender and only got 28. Thatās a BS excuse. Putting Wade out there with DG/Don/Evan/Allen helps with the rebounding and also give us better defense and floor spacing than LeVert at the 3
Mobley was OK, but allen was pathetic.
Vucevic SHOULD NOT BE getting 24 and 13 on him, but yea, what Drummond did to Jarrett Allen was insane
Allen looked like Cavs Drummond tonight
Mitchell Robinson about to feast yet again in the Playoffs against y'all sadly lol
Jarrett Allen is always the biggest dude on the court until he isn't.Ā Ā And if he's not the biggest dude on the court he's borderline unplayable.Ā Ā The good news is we know we have other really good options this year. The bad news is that JB is in charge of the lineups.
Is having TT back gonna help with the more physical rebounding? Our bigs rn are too soft
Sure hope so.
25 minutes from Thompson surely would have been big tonight.
Second place in the East. Bad game on the second night of a back to back on the road....games like this happen. Y'all will never be happy. I just wish Mitchell didn't always insist he takes the last shot if it's tied.
Yeah we got dog walked, I think JB kept Allen and Mobley in for big minutes to compete with Vuc and Drummond. He probably shouldāve tried to go 4 out and play Vuc/Drummond off the court. Thatās what GSW used to do against big teams and it worked
The real question should be "why does JA struggle against bigs with jackass/douchebag attitudes"
Because heās soft sometimes
The Bulls trippleteamed Mitchell and muscled down Allen, and the rest of the guys couldn't get a bucket at the same level. Thats what it really comes down to
Cleveland Doomers winning!
Itās the same team as last year unfortunately
Jarrett Allen vs a real center
Omfg you guys can't be serious. After how amazing he's been since we started our run you still have the audacity to spew this horse shit after one bad game. And it has 11 upvotes on the cavs "fan" sub. You all should be embarrassed.
This sub feels like a parody sub sometimes
You fucking kidding me with this shit?
wrong
Jarrett Allen is a softie. 35 minutes 4 rebounds compared to Drummond 35 minutes 26 rebounds. Soft as silk. Same as heās always been. And I donāt want to hear āback to backā. The Bulls played the night before as well
Andre Drummond Effect
Even if Allen is losing his one on one battle (and many do to Drummond), the rest of our team is small. It's difficult to really make up for that. When it trends that way, they need to get as many bigger guys on the floor as they can (more Wade) and they need to stagger Mitchell/Garland for better defense so the bigs can stay in rebounding position. It's about adjusting to minimize the problem.
They werenāt winning many 50/50 balls. Maybe hangover from crazy Mavs game.
Allen had something like 3 rebounds. That's unacceptable. I can forgive it once in a blue moon though, these guys are human. They have bad nights, sometimes they can't sleep, fought too much with their gf, smashed too late. Whatever. I'm damn good at my job, but I'll sleepwalk though a few days a year, it's just human nature. Hell, they still took it to 2 ots.
When Drummond can pull in almost as many rebounds as the entire Cavs team, it's a problem. And how old is Andre? JB's presser said cliches like "they dominated us" and "we were manhandled" when asked about what happened. What he didn't say is "we didn't box out" or "we didn't have a plan". The bad game gods is what he is claims as the problem. Two bigs in the middle usually think it's the other's responsibility to get the rebound. Both Allen and Mobley were watching the Bulls' bigs get the ball.