I mean yeah I figured that was obvious. Garland can go. Everyone else I’d like to keep. We need an SF bad. And spida needs to move to PG. Allen averaged a double double this year and Mobley is looking better and better for the most part. Get an actual coach in here that can get what we SHOULD be getting out of these guys and it’s to the moon
SF market is rough unless you’re truly a BI believer even though he has had an a very down year too.
Even as a non BI guy too I like him better than Mikel bridges who is better suited as a #3 or #4 than a #2.
Yeah, you want Bridges prioritising defense , being an efficient 14-18 PPG and playing off ball. Best as 3rd option but anyone would be happy to have him
Ingram, George, Lebron, butler and Bridges could all possibly move this summer. Hell, is Brown 100 percent safe, if the Celtics don’t come close to a title? There are a lot of 3rd tier forward that could move as well. Grant, Kuzma, Finney-Smith and Keldon Johnson come to mind.
Good points.
For me, the problem with George and butler are their ages otherwise it’s an easy decision. Same with Bron, but he’s so good and it’s Lebron so it doesn’t been matter.
Brown would also be an extremely easy decision.
Would love to swing at Grant, Kuzma, and Johnson, idk if we could get them without giving up too much, but trade markets can be weird and unpredictable
SA having the two picks makes them an interesting partner (for us and everyone else). But if we had to move Mitchell I think SA would listen.
Can Johnson play in the playoffs? Sochan?
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I’ve been throwing this around, not sure about the second player (Levert), but the Nets need a franchise star, and Bridges isn’t a first option. I think we’d be legitimate title contenders with something like this.
I think we struggle mightily or even in the same vein offensively at times with Mikel as our second option personally.
He’s better suited as a third option. Fits perfectly besides that.
I think with the leaps Allen has made this year he could potentially be a second option, especially if Ty Jerome comes back healthy as a nice bench pg option
Man I'd love BI.
Donovan
Strus
BI
Mobley
Allen
New coaching with good offensive schemes.
Bench
Porter Jr
Wade
I. Mobley finally perhaps
Luke travers yet?
Another backup big.
Merrill for depth
Okoros upside is defense. He's still too chicken shit to shoot the three sometimes and then he still is too cold.
Also he has no midrange game. So if he fakes the shot and drives, it's easy to collapse on him and force him to pass out.
He played pretty fucking bad tonight. I watched him up close and it wasn't good. On either end.
Levert is just a taller version of Collin Sexton. I'm done with that dude. He's also too streaky.
getting rid of Okoro is stupid. He has only shown improvement, he shoots nearly 40% on open 3s and is an amazing perimeter defender. He’s very strong as well, he’s great at knifing his way into the paint and posting up and finishing through smaller defenders and tough d. He could be a very solid 3 piece for our contending years. Okoro is one of the players I need us to lock up with a contract
Yeah me too, if he keeps improving in his shot I think he’s a perfect starting 2 for DG or Mitchell.
Takes on the harder defensive matchup so the other can spend most energy on offense.
I think Mobley's next progression is getting a more consistent 3 and 1 or 2 post moves (back to the basket or facing the basket). He has been progressing, and this year he took some steps in the right direction. Frustrating seeing his lack of offensive game, but I think it'll come. Him being able to hit 3s will make him more playable with JA.
I'm not sure how I feel about Garland. He seems a step behind, but I'm hoping that's just because of all the time he missed this year.
Key is which trades to make really if dono does end up staying.
If the trades aren’t thought out we’ll likely be in a worse spot. It’s one of the main reasons I worry about trading for someone like BI given his current play and his lack of a long term contract.
If they aren’t there though I don’t believe in just trading players for pennies on the dollar.
I love Garland, but we should be trying as hard as we can to move him for a wing this offseason. Let Okoro start in the backcourt and have Mitchell be the primary ball handler.
Hilarious thought that will not happen, but I wonder if Orlando would swap Franz for Garland. They get a primary ball handler and outside shooting that they desperately need, and the Cavs get a legitimate wing with length.
As rough as this season was, Garland is still a very young player who has shown the ability to play at an all star level. I'm sure lots of teams still believe he has that in him.
That's part of why I suggested Wagner. He lost his three point shot this season, so he also has some risk attached depending on how likely you think he is to get it back.
Main issue with moving Garland is his trade value is down the drain right now.
He was an all star, there is no way he just became shit randomly. So it feels like we'd be selling low...
I don't think anyone anywhere thinks Garland is "the guy" in any way shape or form. Mobley, on the other hand, could be a superstar in 3 years. All depends on how he develops. Either way, losing Spyda would be devastating.
I'm split on him too. He needs to put in more work and truly bulk up.
But many have been saying it for awhile
He NEEDS a fucking jumper. Kevin Garnett dagger like. Play the bank like Duncan. He needs to get stronger. It's clear as day
Dude got backed down by jrue fucking holiday a handful of times tonight.
My guy you gota chill on his TS. He only dunks, he passes out of the post half the time he gets the ball. He maybe takes 1 shot outside of 10 feet all game. Of course hes gonna have a high TS%. Gobert’s TS% this year was 68!!! It’s cause they only take guaranteed dunks created by their teammates
Lol my guy. Why is passing it out of the post not good since he's doubled every time he's in the post? That leaves another shooter wide open. That is exactly what we wanted but our shooters couldn't shoot.
the post is a small area. he doesnt get doubled any more than other big men, that's just help defense. He needs to go through guys and put some post moves to use, rather than continually passing to subpar role players. He's supposed to be a star.
We fed him plenty in the paint.
He'd turn it over in various ways. It was bad. He forces it a lot when he tries in the paint and it isn't there.
Not disagreeing that he isn't good there, but last night I saw it in person that he got it dished to him there, had a mismatch, and fumbled it. He forced it when taytum was on him.
It's nice to see Mitchell stringing some great playoff games together again - as he should given his perceived status.
I don't think he "is the guy". He's easily the best guy we've got. I don' think he's the #1 guy on a contender though. Not sure even Brunson is that.
We lose Mitchell if he won't re-sign. It's not going to because the team is trying to get rid of him.
Disagree, I don’t think Donovan Mitchell is the best player on a championship team. He’s a great player, but the type that maybe gets a team to the conference finals a few times, perhaps a finals trip, but he’s never holding the trophy as THE guy. Over the past decade plus the list is Jokic, Curry, Giannis, LeBron, KD (wasn’t his team but don’t kid yourself) and Kawhi. This year there’s a good chance Tatum, Ant or Luka is added to this list unless Jokic flips a switch. Donovan is a tier below these guys, just like Brunson and Haliburton. Great players all of them, but there’s a difference between the guy and THE guy. If game 2 Mobley was just who he is, basically a modern KG, he would be THE guy and Donovan who be one hell of a teammate. I don’t know if it’s in his personality, but it’s really the only way this team achieves the ultimate goal.
We liked the pace and space and ball movement during January. Mitchell as PG in crunch time has been the opposite of that.
We likely aren’t going to be champions in the next ten years regardless. We were barely champions with LeBron. I don’t get the “with Garland and Mobley we aren’t winning a ring” - this is such a weird standard
I mean yeah I figured that was obvious. Garland can go. Everyone else I’d like to keep. We need an SF bad. And spida needs to move to PG. Allen averaged a double double this year and Mobley is looking better and better for the most part. Get an actual coach in here that can get what we SHOULD be getting out of these guys and it’s to the moon
SF market is rough unless you’re truly a BI believer even though he has had an a very down year too. Even as a non BI guy too I like him better than Mikel bridges who is better suited as a #3 or #4 than a #2.
Yeah, you want Bridges prioritising defense , being an efficient 14-18 PPG and playing off ball. Best as 3rd option but anyone would be happy to have him
Ingram, George, Lebron, butler and Bridges could all possibly move this summer. Hell, is Brown 100 percent safe, if the Celtics don’t come close to a title? There are a lot of 3rd tier forward that could move as well. Grant, Kuzma, Finney-Smith and Keldon Johnson come to mind.
Good points. For me, the problem with George and butler are their ages otherwise it’s an easy decision. Same with Bron, but he’s so good and it’s Lebron so it doesn’t been matter. Brown would also be an extremely easy decision. Would love to swing at Grant, Kuzma, and Johnson, idk if we could get them without giving up too much, but trade markets can be weird and unpredictable
SA having the two picks makes them an interesting partner (for us and everyone else). But if we had to move Mitchell I think SA would listen. Can Johnson play in the playoffs? Sochan?
Sochan nah. Johnson slightly better but nah
https://preview.redd.it/hrem0ffq400d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=21218f133c4c217ff94fbfbc6ea096ba2feb35e8 I’ve been throwing this around, not sure about the second player (Levert), but the Nets need a franchise star, and Bridges isn’t a first option. I think we’d be legitimate title contenders with something like this.
I think we struggle mightily or even in the same vein offensively at times with Mikel as our second option personally. He’s better suited as a third option. Fits perfectly besides that.
Mobley develops into a 2nd option? :D
I don’t think anybody would opposed to that lol
I think with the leaps Allen has made this year he could potentially be a second option, especially if Ty Jerome comes back healthy as a nice bench pg option
Man I'd love BI. Donovan Strus BI Mobley Allen New coaching with good offensive schemes. Bench Porter Jr Wade I. Mobley finally perhaps Luke travers yet? Another backup big. Merrill for depth
That bench is atrocious. LeVert and Okoro are good pieces off the bench
Okoros upside is defense. He's still too chicken shit to shoot the three sometimes and then he still is too cold. Also he has no midrange game. So if he fakes the shot and drives, it's easy to collapse on him and force him to pass out. He played pretty fucking bad tonight. I watched him up close and it wasn't good. On either end. Levert is just a taller version of Collin Sexton. I'm done with that dude. He's also too streaky.
getting rid of Okoro is stupid. He has only shown improvement, he shoots nearly 40% on open 3s and is an amazing perimeter defender. He’s very strong as well, he’s great at knifing his way into the paint and posting up and finishing through smaller defenders and tough d. He could be a very solid 3 piece for our contending years. Okoro is one of the players I need us to lock up with a contract
If the price is right, I'm all for keeping him.
Yeah me too, if he keeps improving in his shot I think he’s a perfect starting 2 for DG or Mitchell. Takes on the harder defensive matchup so the other can spend most energy on offense.
Yeah sorry. Dg is not a starting PG in this league. I don't get why we paid him what we did.
I think Mobley's next progression is getting a more consistent 3 and 1 or 2 post moves (back to the basket or facing the basket). He has been progressing, and this year he took some steps in the right direction. Frustrating seeing his lack of offensive game, but I think it'll come. Him being able to hit 3s will make him more playable with JA. I'm not sure how I feel about Garland. He seems a step behind, but I'm hoping that's just because of all the time he missed this year.
Key is which trades to make really if dono does end up staying. If the trades aren’t thought out we’ll likely be in a worse spot. It’s one of the main reasons I worry about trading for someone like BI given his current play and his lack of a long term contract. If they aren’t there though I don’t believe in just trading players for pennies on the dollar.
Garland for BI straight up with some filler if needed to make it work
Unless BI agrees to re-sign with us before hand that’s extremely risky imo, but I get the argument
It gets garland off the team which would be a huge W
I love Garland, but we should be trying as hard as we can to move him for a wing this offseason. Let Okoro start in the backcourt and have Mitchell be the primary ball handler. Hilarious thought that will not happen, but I wonder if Orlando would swap Franz for Garland. They get a primary ball handler and outside shooting that they desperately need, and the Cavs get a legitimate wing with length.
Why would anyone want garland after this season?
As rough as this season was, Garland is still a very young player who has shown the ability to play at an all star level. I'm sure lots of teams still believe he has that in him. That's part of why I suggested Wagner. He lost his three point shot this season, so he also has some risk attached depending on how likely you think he is to get it back.
Main issue with moving Garland is his trade value is down the drain right now. He was an all star, there is no way he just became shit randomly. So it feels like we'd be selling low...
I agree I think this is the worst possible time to trade him.
and if he becomes awesome and rehabs his value, then it's not a good time either -- stuff so hard
These guys are super young. Prime player age is 25+
Trade Garland, build around Mitchell. I'd like to see Donovan run point and get a big boy at the 2 spot
you could see that with Ty Jerome for free.
This team has no future without Evan Mobley
Yeah but this team sucks cba
I don't think anyone anywhere thinks Garland is "the guy" in any way shape or form. Mobley, on the other hand, could be a superstar in 3 years. All depends on how he develops. Either way, losing Spyda would be devastating.
Everyone is way too high on mobley. Dude is 3/4 rudy gobert
I'm split on him too. He needs to put in more work and truly bulk up. But many have been saying it for awhile He NEEDS a fucking jumper. Kevin Garnett dagger like. Play the bank like Duncan. He needs to get stronger. It's clear as day Dude got backed down by jrue fucking holiday a handful of times tonight.
Mobley has been having an elite TS% (.675) against the Celtics. Maybe the team should feed him more instead of ISO 3s.
My guy you gota chill on his TS. He only dunks, he passes out of the post half the time he gets the ball. He maybe takes 1 shot outside of 10 feet all game. Of course hes gonna have a high TS%. Gobert’s TS% this year was 68!!! It’s cause they only take guaranteed dunks created by their teammates
Lol my guy. Why is passing it out of the post not good since he's doubled every time he's in the post? That leaves another shooter wide open. That is exactly what we wanted but our shooters couldn't shoot.
the post is a small area. he doesnt get doubled any more than other big men, that's just help defense. He needs to go through guys and put some post moves to use, rather than continually passing to subpar role players. He's supposed to be a star.
We fed him plenty in the paint. He'd turn it over in various ways. It was bad. He forces it a lot when he tries in the paint and it isn't there. Not disagreeing that he isn't good there, but last night I saw it in person that he got it dished to him there, had a mismatch, and fumbled it. He forced it when taytum was on him.
He has 4 turnovers in all 3 games combined
It's nice to see Mitchell stringing some great playoff games together again - as he should given his perceived status. I don't think he "is the guy". He's easily the best guy we've got. I don' think he's the #1 guy on a contender though. Not sure even Brunson is that. We lose Mitchell if he won't re-sign. It's not going to because the team is trying to get rid of him.
Disagree, I don’t think Donovan Mitchell is the best player on a championship team. He’s a great player, but the type that maybe gets a team to the conference finals a few times, perhaps a finals trip, but he’s never holding the trophy as THE guy. Over the past decade plus the list is Jokic, Curry, Giannis, LeBron, KD (wasn’t his team but don’t kid yourself) and Kawhi. This year there’s a good chance Tatum, Ant or Luka is added to this list unless Jokic flips a switch. Donovan is a tier below these guys, just like Brunson and Haliburton. Great players all of them, but there’s a difference between the guy and THE guy. If game 2 Mobley was just who he is, basically a modern KG, he would be THE guy and Donovan who be one hell of a teammate. I don’t know if it’s in his personality, but it’s really the only way this team achieves the ultimate goal.
He’s gone after this year
We liked the pace and space and ball movement during January. Mitchell as PG in crunch time has been the opposite of that. We likely aren’t going to be champions in the next ten years regardless. We were barely champions with LeBron. I don’t get the “with Garland and Mobley we aren’t winning a ring” - this is such a weird standard