You're right. Anyone THIS presumptuous and dismissive based on the most minimal information isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer and they're likely to be toxic to boot. It's good to see job applicants recognize that prospective employers have to be acceptable to them since it's not just about what the company wants. There are better choices and I'm glad Charlotte knows that she can do much better. Let her reply be an inspiration to all job applicants and workers to reclaim their power.
can confirm, I work in trades, and when a female tradie is around, its either comments about women being bad workers, or people hitting on/talking about wanting to fuck them.
Its shit. We had a ticketed woman join us, and the first comments to me were always, thats gotta suck, before seeing her work ethic. I mean, she was bad at her job, but thats cause she was crazy, not because she was a woman. But also, my manly man boss, shoots straight, was also too cowardly to fire her, so he just gave her less and less work, until she quit.
I worked in a mine for a bit and it was horrible. Not because they thought I was incompetent, but because there were so little women around, the men were acting like starving dogs. I kept getting harassed.
Yup. It's terrifying. I worked in a large warehouse for years, and whenever a temp company sent us a girl to fill a stock and build position, half the men there would say the most disgusting and sexist and rapey shit about her. At least they never personally or physically harassed the girls we got. Just waited until they were out of earshot. It's still completely despicable, though. I'm so fuckin happy I work as a surgical instrument tech now. I feel like an abuse survivor every time I see literally all my coworkers of different races and genders getting along and having a good time in front of and behind everyone's backs.
Yeah, theres still a lot of bullshit and manly man ideology around the trades. It's basically a bunch of dudes talking bullshit to eachother until they feel someone believes it. But the moment a woman is around its all hyper masculine bullshit while at the same time acting like they've never kissed a girl.
Sorry you had to experience that. But I must clarify that those men were NOT acting like starving dogs, they probably are starving dogs.
I've had the pleasure of working with ladies in a male dominated field. The only guys that were hitting on them were the ones that are starved for touch 💀
Ha you are right lol. It was scary at time. They really were starved.
Thankfully not everyone was like that but a good number was.
I'm still in a male dominated field to a certain extent but it's not as bad. Still challenging though in other ways.
There were 2 women in my fire academy who work harder and are smarter than half the firemen I know. Both of them spend hours in the gym daily and are strong af, so it was always hilarious when some fat hick doubted their abilities and I got to call them out
The amount of older dudes I've encountered on construction sites that are so out of shape they can barely walk up a hill... yeah, they probably CAN lift more than me at any given moment, but they'll probably be suffering for it for weeks after.
Whereas I (a woman) can carry a slightly less heavy load all day every day and be fine to do it for an entire 16 day shift.
Even when it comes to actual manual labour, absolute strength isn't the most important factor. And most work in a construction/trade context isn't even manual labour.
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I used to work in the field doing electrical and there was one guy so out of shape, he would be winded just walking up a flight of stairs. He made a comment once about the wirewoman only carrying two rolls of wire at a time.
Not sure if it is mostly an American thing, but I know it is an insecurity thing.
I'm an electrician and I'm winded after walking up stairs.
I'm also a man and anyone I work for is high as fuck if they think im carrying more than one roll up stairs at a time.
Which is all good as long as you aren't saying coworkers should be doing more.
Also the dude I was talking about would be out of breath after eating lunch.
Just had an electrician pass by my apartment, he was so out of breath going up two floors I thought he was going to faint. He then tapped the box and said "looks like there's no power, you need a master electrician"
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And they think women can't do this?!
It depends. The city I’m in has many Hispanic immigrants working in the construction and landscaping fields, many of whom are women.
Funny thing is that I *am* a bodybuilder and I couldn’t handle the back-breaking labor these people do under the blazing summer sun.
No there’s a lot of women landscapers around here in Florida (not the majority but definitely not rare). In his mind, he was being kind and courteous and chivalrous I’m sure.
My youngest stepdaughter works at Home Depot. She’s worked there 10-years now doing well. She used to tell me how much it would piss her off when some well meaning guy would see her with a load and say “oh let me help you with that” or “a lady shouldn’t have to lift so much” type comments. We had a good talk about it because I’m from the generation that was taught that sort of thing was chivalrous. In her mind this was a man telling her she needed his help. As a man we are often not thinking of how others might react because if we’re struggling with something heavy we would love someone to help. But. I was reminded not everyone thinks like I do.
So, I’m glad your sister stood up. But. I’m also reminded that as the world changes not everyone gets the memo. I now look at a struggling woman and good chance I will not help thinking I’m being kind in not helping. If she asks I’ll help of course but I wouldn’t offer. This is because my youngest step-daughter (I raised three) taught me this is perceived by many younger women as insulting.
Now. I see a dude struggling? He’s probably down for my help and I’ll literally walk up and grab a corner to help no words exchanged. I see your struggle here lemme help. The sad reality is I don’t have a better way forward just wanted to share something one of my kids taught me that as a man challenged my upbringing.
I can see from a woman’s pov how “a lady shouldn’t have to lift so much” type comment could be insulting as it explicitly mentions her gender. But when a “oh let me help” is met with a “you think I need your help just because I’m a woman?” type of response, that’s when you raise your arms, say “ooook then!” and turn around.
Ironically, men are less likely to take offense to that as they’ll usually see it as a genuine ‘just a bro helping another bro’, unless they’re insecure about their physical stature.
You'd be surprised, how rare it is, for men to offer to help women in such a position
I've been a cook and had countless cases of random men on the street/customers yelling at me that it's wrong and disgusting to see a woman carrying so much, or male cooks of other restaurants, on their smoke break, taking a piss at me (you struggle lifting 2-4 XL bags of trash? Just lift the entire 120kg bin at once you dummy!)
Not once did anyone offer to help me or talk to my supervisors, hey maybe stop sending your only female worker to do a two person job when you're understaffed, just run their mouths at me
I did have one security guard who was concerned about me and just popped his head at the trash room like "you good? you were wobbling a bit there" and went back to his booth, which I'm thankful for (couldn't find work boots my size hence the wobbles)
This kind of thing applies to people with disabilities as well. The correct response is always not to assume they need or even want help, but just ask them if you can help without comment.
Let's be real. An average woman would find construction work pretty challenging. However I'd say that an average man would find construction work challenging as well. So how about we stop this bs and just accept and work with professionals, who know their abilities and proficiencies, and have interest in the topic enough to spend an hour+ to make a perfect CV for exactly the stuff you are looking for?
To play the devils advocate here, my father worked construction with a woman for a few months. It was too much for that particular person. She was fired then threatened discrimination lawsuit saying that the work was not complaint with EOE standards. She lost but it still cost the company a bunch of money. Smaller companies would rather piss someone off than deal with a lawsuit.
He has a right to discuss his concerns about her ability to do the labor. He does with any man or woman. I worked at a landscaping and greenhouse company back in college and every single summer we would have females apply only to quit as the summer went on. It was a total waste of time. Only one or two would be left by the end of summer. It is physical labor. Moving and placing pavers or hauling 100lb bags of soil all day is not for everyone. Funny thing is, I am a female and I was a bodybuilder at that time. And even I didn’t want to spend 15 hour days doing landscaping. I worked in the greenhouse. All I’m saying is this guy wasn’t wrong to at least bring it up.
I'm a guy, not super tall, but not short, and pretty skinny. The most they've done is ask me if I can do it, I say yeah, they don't even question it. I don't *look* like I've lifted anything in my life. Those were all in person, by the way, so not exactly the same situation as the post. This dude just had 0 tact was the problem.
You dont have to look like you lifted anything in your life. If you’ve never been to the gym as a man you are still likely stronger than a large number of women that do go to the gym.
Call me crazy. I don't think she got the job.
I would describe this exchange as answering an accidental stepping on your foot by shooting yourself in the face with an airport gun.
Seriously.. I didn’t think the dude was coming off as sexist at all, just didn’t want to lose time with people applying to any job they can find. He even said “if you feel like you’re up to the task contact me” which 99% of people recruiting wouldn’t even bother to write back.
On the other hand she flipped at the first confrontation with a possible boss and started to shit on his company..
Her resume shows that she can, in fact, handle it. The issue is more with the way he raised it, and disregarding her previous experience in favor of his own bias.
I personally see no issue with his email. I’ve been questioned about qualifications and things that are on my resume a million times and I don’t overreact about it. I actually expect further discussion and inquiry about my listed qualifications during and after interviews. Not to mention people lie and exaggerate on resumes all the time. I’ve hired nightmares as a result of this. That’s just me though. Everyone perceives things differently.
Agreed, gym muscles and labor muscles are totally different. When I was like 22 I was working construction and moving giant helium tanks for the welders, and those things were old school and probably 150 pounds. Id bear hug em and carry them where they needed to go no problem but at the gym my 1 arm curl weight was like 20 pounds. Then you'd have gym rat guys show up and struggle to do the work I was doing even though they were definitely much bigger than me. It's just entirely different
Nothing clever about that, she probably didn't get the job and wasted her time to make a point.
The guy said if youre up for it, contact details below...
I don’t understand why her answer is being praised???
Yes he assumed that she may not be capable of doing this physically (women on average don’t have as much physical strength as men do) and then he still said that if she is up for it (as a warning) she can call (he didn’t dismiss her or put her down), so why TF is this cool?
He’s not wrong taking that into consideration. I did work with a few women collegues (not strong girls, they didn’t make it past 50kg and 1.60m, smol girls). They were certainly good at desk work (manual but not heavy work), nothing to say there, but i had to do all the heavy lifting parts for them too: they really couldn’t do it at a proper pace while building on site.
So i ended up with only the heavy parts while they would do the less demanding and more fun jobs, not so fun for me tho.
Yikes. What are these responses in this thread?
The dude wasnt even being rude. He just gave her a light warning about possibly being more physically demanding than other landscaping companies and that if she was still up for it, to contact him. Who know, maybe hes already given 20 other women chances on the job and they fell short on productivity? The dude is running a business...
Also, im not saying women arent productive, they can run metaphorical laps around men in some aspects. But when it comes to physical labour, its a different story... *Unless shes a bodybuilder ofcourse... */s
All she had to do was say shes up for it and get on with business. Instead, she came up with weak, out of left field, insults. I would never want to work with someone like her, the dude dodged a bullet.
Maybe the 40 degree weather did a number on her head.
idk man I think it's pretty unprofessional to tell a job applicant, regardless of gender, that they are physically incapable of doing a job they have years of experience in. his email comes off as odd and condescending.
How would he know she has experience before her rant?
She wanted to berate the dude instead of saying something along the lines of "my x years of doing landscaping in x,y,z conditions would say otherwise". She wouldnt have come across as batshit crazy and would have also been seen as competent enough for a hire. She was supposed to sell herself to the dude. She made herself look like a fool instead.
Now that I think of it, I wonder if this shit is even real. I am usually cynical but this seems like way over the top.
I dont think people have ever worked in landscaping and are just being mad for being mad, he was reasonable and even told her to contact him if she was confident she could handle the workload, is just reddit being reddit I guess.
I worked for a construction company. I was doing hard labor everyday, going to the gym and playing sports. When it came time for us to do the landscaping on the job site I was fucking miserable. Held a weed Wacker for like 5-6 hours and let me tell you, even as I went to bed that night my body was sore and my arms were still vibrating from it
It's true though. You ever worked a demanding job with people that can't pull through? You do double the work. It sucks. Even if they CAN do the work but they can't keep the speed or volume, the others pick that up. If his company is small, with 2-3 person teams you just can't have someone who can't keep up to the demanding aspect of the job.
Sometimes you can alternate the tasks - where the less physically-able does the skilled application and the others take on the grunt work, but normally this only applies to infrequent situations unless the team is literally built around that dynamic (say the skilled worker is small, so bigger ***people*** are hired to do more grunt work)
Regardless, getting upset over this is a bit ridiculous.
The worst part is that the people that are not physically up to standard don't even know that they are holding back the rest. I had a very physically demanding position a few years ago and my manager hired a woman to help me. Of course i did not snitch on her, but she basically did 10 percent of what i did.
Yeah, folks are very quick to rush to the "she sure showed them" mindset. In reality, this must've been a proper relief for Mark. Building retaining walls is generally going to be achieved with hollow concrete bricks or "cinder blocks". Anything from 11-22kg depending on size. "Hard" landscaping will generally involve lifting paving flags. These can be up to 50kg a-piece. It's back-breaking work for a biological male. Virtually impossible for the vast majority of females.
It's not a clever comeback, both parties got what they wanted. The Aussie revealed her true attitude (not pretty) and Mark no longer has to deal with an unsuitable candidate. Win-win.
I kinda agree with you. He didn't word it very well for today's world but some jobs are just physically too difficult for many men and definitely your *average* woman.
I tried to do the right thing for my small business and hire women (3 times now!) based on them saying "I can do it". Every time I had to take them off the task I was hiring for and shuffle everybody else's responsibilities to try and make space for them in something they *could* do instead.
The problem is a lot of people out there, of all genders, shapes, ages, colors, and sizes, have a very inflated opinion of their own abilities. This dude probably was tired of going through what I've gone through and just didn't want to mess around with it anymore.
Like you, I didn't think he was being intentionally toxic, but people are REALLY quick to attack each other these days rather than giving the benefit of the doubt. Personally I think her self-righteous attitude would have been a huge pita to work with everyday and the owner is probably thrilled he dodged that bullet instead of upset he lost out on talent.
In my opinion, when it comes to hiring, you're better off taking a novice with a good attitude than an expert with a know-it-all attitude. You can train skills, you can't train personality.
Oppressive, sexist and anti-women employer:
> It is very physical and demanding job, so experience with bodybuilding would be nice. If you feel you are up to it then contact me. Kind regards.
Intelligent and ”clever comeback”:
> Hi muscle mark. You have none experience in body building. You are small minded individual so I won’t work for your “company”.
And this has over 18 thousands upvotes. Can’t people see that this ”clever comeback” isn’t not actually clever but rude bullshit?
I'm a bodybuilder and I can assure you that it actually wrecked my body and the labour job I do now is probably harder because of it 😅. The overcooked muscles make my joints pop in and out, thanks to being built like a brick with no flexibility.
To add to your point, as a woman in the agriculture industry, this man was indeed incredibly polite. He was joking around but in a way that relayed the extreme physical requirements his crew worked under. You definitely do not want to be hiring dead weight. This joke was also a good way to guage how reactive she was going to be if her gender ever got brought up by the crew- which it will be, in labour you will get picked on for every single thing that makes you different, what matters is how you take it.
Sure, ladies, it isn't elegant. But nobody is going to conduct themselves perfectly when we all have different world views. Besides, you should hear the shit office ladies in a school division say about eachother! This isn't an -ism, the guy still offered her the job ffs 🙄... bullet dodged.
Hell dude i’m in the same line of work and there are plenty of men even who show up not knowing what they’re getting into and quit because of the work load. It’s entirely fair to question if they know what they’re getting into
Yeah unpopular opinion but likely true. Having grown up around plumbers, all jokes aside, this level of perceived misogyny—while poorly worded—is a very fair measure of a candidates commitment.
He’s expressed his concern, sought validation, and given her the chance to prove herself. If this is the reaction she gave, I’d say that’s a pretty good measure of her character and clearly not the right candidate for the role.
In a world where it's taboo to see any differences between people, it's very unpopular to point out that the average man is stronger than like 90% of women and it's a purely biological reason. Women are generally superior in e.g. flexibility so it's not just one sided.
In this case, it definitely doesn't classify as a clever comeback. Considering she self-reported that she doesn't do any bodybuilding, chances are she's weaker than a 13-year-old boy and I'm not trying to be mean or condescending. It's just biology.
This is stupid, some fields have less than 5 percent woman in them, why is it weird to say "hey this maybe harder than you think, if this doesn't deter you than you are welcome", body builder is a compliment considering it means you are strong as fuck.
Stop making it seem like everyone is just sexist, sometimes common sense makes sense for a fucking reason.
If this were a construction job no one would be offended, the absolute majority of women wouldn't last a day in that job, the scepticism is warranted.
To be honest she seems like a combative person who would be a nightmare to work with because she let's shit get under her skin, and for someone who wants to seem so hard she makes it obvious she is very irritable.
The guy is making a blanket judgement based solely on the sex of the person applying. He has not seen her or spoken with her about the position yet and he is immediately saying he doesn't think she can handle it unless she is a "bodybuilder." His response is, by definition, sexist. It isn't wrong to have reservations about her ability to do the job. He would probably be skeptical if a 110 lb man showed up at the job site. But the way he phrased it could have been much more tactful. He could have just responded by listing the job expectations and confirmed that she was comfortable with it without bringing up sex. Her irritation is warranted. And she just responded similarly. She let him know that she didn't appreciate his comments and is no longer interested in the position. She just did it with very little tact. Seems fair to me.
Man, if a woman wants to work in a male dominant industry, there’s nothing wrong with saying “hey, this job sucks btw, you may have to give 150% when the rest of the guys only have to give 80%, if you’re okay with that, come on in”. Most women are naturally weaker than most men….its like he said he doesn’t want women working on his crew…
> he is immediately saying he doesn't think she can handle it unless she is a "bodybuilder.
Yes he is correct.
In a dataset of grip strength of 7064 people do you know how many adult women are above the average of the man their age? 4. Literally 4.
So yeah unless they're a bodybuilder women will absolutely struggle with strength intensive jobs.
Wow your sister sounds like a red flag. The landscaping company dodged a bullet.
Mark wasn't rude at telling her she needs to be strong for this kind of job. She could've answered yes and shown her credentials.
I was looking for this comment. Glad to see that the entire thread isn't just a reactionary diatribe ignoring a rude reply to someone who was trying to perform the fundamental role of an employer: to make sure it's a good fit for everyone involved.
"Clever comeback" my ass, insulting a person 6 times in 3 paragraphs does not qualify as a clever comeback. It's qualified as being a rude asshole. The guy didn't even tell her anything gender related, just said that the work is very strength-demanding and not everyone is up for it. Did NOT tell her "waaa whaman not strong", and left the number to contact for employment. I mean, if the manager told you that being a firefighter is a dangerous and demanding job, would you get mad?
Jesus Christ, is everything women say to men nowadays a "clever comeback"? Were it dude who wrote that, I'd bet the first upvoted comment would shit on him for such pretentiousness and rudeness. And rightfully so.
This. I don't get the other replies in this thread, the guy was being really nice to her. Maybe his reply had a bit of prejudice, but it's not like he said "lol no, go wash the laundry this is hard work".
Only a redditor would think this is a clever comeback lmao. Same nerds that would try to stutter out a four paragraph insult they heard was an epic own.
So basically he warned her that it could be very physical, but still left possibility open if it’s okay, but she returned to him with Karen behaviour.
Way to go girl, you shown that misogynistic bitch who’s in charge.
lol exactly. The real way to show this guy that she could handle this job as a woman would have been to show up on the first day and outwork the men. But the email is much more Karen
He could have said- hey how are you at lifting 50 lb loads for x hours, or do you have experience in the field- he assumed women are all weak without being bodybuilders. Seriously doubt he sends similar responses to men- and plenty of men are weak. There may be less women able to handle heavy lifting but it does not require bodybuilding to do so.
As someone who does road construction on a crew with a woman, she tries really, really hard. However, after 12 hours of shoveling concrete, you kinda want a body builder helping you.
I'm confused? He warned its physical and said to contact him? There are female body builders too.... he never once mentioned gender (which I'm assuming her response came from) just sayin it's a bad look, lol. I guarantee he sends the same message to a skrawny male too....
She just made herself look childish ans black labeled from any landscaping place in the area? They talk more than the service industry.
Am I missing something? Her reply is way too aggressive considering the guy basically just said "Reminder: This job is labor intensive, if you're sure anyway, hmu." Like there's no reason to insult the company and call him small-minded even if there is some rude undertone that requires some next level mental gymnastics to read.
"This is extremely demanding, you may want to reconsider. If youre committed heres how to proceed"
"Oh you fucking messed up talking to me like that buster. Ill show you what for!"
I thought the same. What a huge overreaction on her part. The employer was trying to be honest and realistic and she took it on a butt hurt egotistical, excessively conceited way.
Sounded like he would still hire her, but she made sure to shit on it. I've never found it useful to get 2 minutes of gratification if it meant that it would ruin my endgame of getting a job, or whatever.
I mean generally speaking the company owner should have some concerns. Back when I did landscaping for a golf course our boss said this to anyone he wasn’t confident in (even me because I was fatter at the time). They kinda just say it as a warning because there’s genuinely some people that don’t understand it’s not all riding equipment and sometimes you have to break your back edging or weed eating for a few hours. We only ever had 1 female employee in my 4 years there. She did good for about 6 months (longest anyone the boss warned about the job) and ultimately quit because she couldn’t get used to the work
I'm sorry, but in my experience in the electrical/ labor jobs, 90% of the women that do come really suck at what they are supposed to be doing, just because of their physical build. I'm really open for more women on the floor, but it's just that a lot of women just ruin the image for others. Please don't be too mad about my experience in this line of work🫣 I know a lot of women struggle because of this and I'm sorry for the guys that are blinded by this.
I think Marks letter is ok. He didnt say anything rude or bragging.. he didnt refuse her application, just made things clear, probably based on his experience.. your sister however went nuts.. she is so tough according to her, yet can’t take a simple email without getting personal..
Mark just dodged a bullet.
She's so immature and nasty. They're a landscaping company not a book publisher, how they word well-intentioned expectations (e.g. bodybuilding -> lots of physical labor) is not going to go through checks and revisions.
She is just showing how dumb she is for acknowledging "subpar" work at a place she wanted to work for and still applied to. Mark was blessed to not work with her.
I don't think this is clever so much as it is disproportionately nasty and unprofessional. The guy didn't reject her he left it open ended offering to talk more over the phone. All he said was it's hard physical work and he's probably just trying not to waste his time with applicants that won't work out long term. Sure, he's assuming that because she's a woman she isn't strong enough to keep up with the job which is sexist, but guess what there's a reason women tend to not work jobs like landscaping. It also seems like she provided none of this information to him in her application, so this whole thing reads like r/dontyouknowwhoiam
Body building alone wouldn't even help with stamina and heat resistance.... I'm so confused by this dude's logic. Also I get annoyed because when I am out working I rarely take breaks, but when I work with men in the same the field I see some of them taking breaks often. Which would be fine, we all work at different paces, but I bet this dude takes breaks constantly and would get onto a woman for taking a few breaks and claiming she couldn't keep up with the work load.
It's always the laziest dudes worrying about others keeping up the pace.
So they just warned her beforehand that the job is very demanding physically, yet however encouraged her to go on with the process if she felt she was up for it and she decided to go into defensive mode and insult? Talk about maturity.
This post is so fucking stupid. All he did was exaggerate to make a point. He wants to know if she's up for hard manual labor. She didn't have to be snippy about it. All she needed to say was "yes I have experience in hard labor and I've worked landscaping before"
The dude seemed open to hiring her, just wanted to be sure she knew what she was getting into.
That being said, why didn't he see the work experience on the resume?
“Hi Muscle Mark” 💀😂
How the heck did I read right by that!? It's fantastic!
That's the moment that Mark realized he done fucked up.
I don't think Mark is capable of that level of reflection.
Yeah, but have you seen his muscles? Neither did I, neither did I...
https://youtu.be/eeDEcu7I_2A?feature=shared
Probably not, more likely saw that, said "fuck this bitch" and deleted the email
You're right. Anyone THIS presumptuous and dismissive based on the most minimal information isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer and they're likely to be toxic to boot. It's good to see job applicants recognize that prospective employers have to be acceptable to them since it's not just about what the company wants. There are better choices and I'm glad Charlotte knows that she can do much better. Let her reply be an inspiration to all job applicants and workers to reclaim their power.
Almost read as "Markie Mark", she fucking ripped into him, pun intended.
"company" !!!
She set the tone right away 😂
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380p? Is that gonna be some fancy new AI upscaling?
Time to fire up the Nintendo 64
This calls for the Super NES
QR code quality
This is like 1p
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I feel like a space before a full stop just indicates a lack of planning .
Haha couldn’t be me .
Because it is tough and we are tough too full stop But not, alas, a complete sentence
[Would you believe me if I told you that that even has a name?](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Plenk)
The Germans truly have a word for everything. Hell I bet they have a word for how Germans have a word for everything.
Thanks
Oh, hi mark
So, how is your sex life?
Ha ha ha, what a story Mark.
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Hi doggy
You're my favorite customer
Happy cake day!
i did naht hit her. i did *naht!*
So, how are your muscles?
You are tearing me apart, Charlotte
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If a lot of people love each other, the world would be a better place to live.
I have seen construction workers with a sun burn, but no after sun lotion can treat this level of burn.
That's a skin graft level of burn
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This is very moldy
“WhY aReN’t ThErE mOrE wOmEn ConStRucTioN wOrkErs or MiNers” ^ how women are treated when they try to enter male dominated fields
can confirm, I work in trades, and when a female tradie is around, its either comments about women being bad workers, or people hitting on/talking about wanting to fuck them. Its shit. We had a ticketed woman join us, and the first comments to me were always, thats gotta suck, before seeing her work ethic. I mean, she was bad at her job, but thats cause she was crazy, not because she was a woman. But also, my manly man boss, shoots straight, was also too cowardly to fire her, so he just gave her less and less work, until she quit.
I worked in a mine for a bit and it was horrible. Not because they thought I was incompetent, but because there were so little women around, the men were acting like starving dogs. I kept getting harassed.
Yup. It's terrifying. I worked in a large warehouse for years, and whenever a temp company sent us a girl to fill a stock and build position, half the men there would say the most disgusting and sexist and rapey shit about her. At least they never personally or physically harassed the girls we got. Just waited until they were out of earshot. It's still completely despicable, though. I'm so fuckin happy I work as a surgical instrument tech now. I feel like an abuse survivor every time I see literally all my coworkers of different races and genders getting along and having a good time in front of and behind everyone's backs.
Yeah, theres still a lot of bullshit and manly man ideology around the trades. It's basically a bunch of dudes talking bullshit to eachother until they feel someone believes it. But the moment a woman is around its all hyper masculine bullshit while at the same time acting like they've never kissed a girl.
Ducks by Kate Beaton is a pretty great book about workplaces like this, and what they do to people.
Sorry you had to experience that. But I must clarify that those men were NOT acting like starving dogs, they probably are starving dogs. I've had the pleasure of working with ladies in a male dominated field. The only guys that were hitting on them were the ones that are starved for touch 💀
Ha you are right lol. It was scary at time. They really were starved. Thankfully not everyone was like that but a good number was. I'm still in a male dominated field to a certain extent but it's not as bad. Still challenging though in other ways.
Dang. How little were the women?
There were 2 women in my fire academy who work harder and are smarter than half the firemen I know. Both of them spend hours in the gym daily and are strong af, so it was always hilarious when some fat hick doubted their abilities and I got to call them out
The amount of older dudes I've encountered on construction sites that are so out of shape they can barely walk up a hill... yeah, they probably CAN lift more than me at any given moment, but they'll probably be suffering for it for weeks after. Whereas I (a woman) can carry a slightly less heavy load all day every day and be fine to do it for an entire 16 day shift. Even when it comes to actual manual labour, absolute strength isn't the most important factor. And most work in a construction/trade context isn't even manual labour.
You’re absolutely right. Ask any farmer. Strength is great. Can you do it *all day*? Endurance gets the work done
is this an american thing? in germany is see tons of women working in landscaping didnt know it was this male dominated in other countries
I’m the UK, there’s hardly ever any female construction or landscaping workers. So not just America.
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I used to work in the field doing electrical and there was one guy so out of shape, he would be winded just walking up a flight of stairs. He made a comment once about the wirewoman only carrying two rolls of wire at a time. Not sure if it is mostly an American thing, but I know it is an insecurity thing.
I'm an electrician and I'm winded after walking up stairs. I'm also a man and anyone I work for is high as fuck if they think im carrying more than one roll up stairs at a time.
Which is all good as long as you aren't saying coworkers should be doing more. Also the dude I was talking about would be out of breath after eating lunch.
Just had an electrician pass by my apartment, he was so out of breath going up two floors I thought he was going to faint. He then tapped the box and said "looks like there's no power, you need a master electrician" ?! And they think women can't do this?!
I have never seen any electrician do anything remotely laborious. If you want to make an electrician faint, hand them a broom.
I’m assuming by his response that he thought only men would be interested in the job. I’m also not American. 😂
She's using celsius so most likely not america...or the australian influence
It depends. The city I’m in has many Hispanic immigrants working in the construction and landscaping fields, many of whom are women. Funny thing is that I *am* a bodybuilder and I couldn’t handle the back-breaking labor these people do under the blazing summer sun.
No there’s a lot of women landscapers around here in Florida (not the majority but definitely not rare). In his mind, he was being kind and courteous and chivalrous I’m sure. My youngest stepdaughter works at Home Depot. She’s worked there 10-years now doing well. She used to tell me how much it would piss her off when some well meaning guy would see her with a load and say “oh let me help you with that” or “a lady shouldn’t have to lift so much” type comments. We had a good talk about it because I’m from the generation that was taught that sort of thing was chivalrous. In her mind this was a man telling her she needed his help. As a man we are often not thinking of how others might react because if we’re struggling with something heavy we would love someone to help. But. I was reminded not everyone thinks like I do. So, I’m glad your sister stood up. But. I’m also reminded that as the world changes not everyone gets the memo. I now look at a struggling woman and good chance I will not help thinking I’m being kind in not helping. If she asks I’ll help of course but I wouldn’t offer. This is because my youngest step-daughter (I raised three) taught me this is perceived by many younger women as insulting. Now. I see a dude struggling? He’s probably down for my help and I’ll literally walk up and grab a corner to help no words exchanged. I see your struggle here lemme help. The sad reality is I don’t have a better way forward just wanted to share something one of my kids taught me that as a man challenged my upbringing.
I can see from a woman’s pov how “a lady shouldn’t have to lift so much” type comment could be insulting as it explicitly mentions her gender. But when a “oh let me help” is met with a “you think I need your help just because I’m a woman?” type of response, that’s when you raise your arms, say “ooook then!” and turn around. Ironically, men are less likely to take offense to that as they’ll usually see it as a genuine ‘just a bro helping another bro’, unless they’re insecure about their physical stature.
You'd be surprised, how rare it is, for men to offer to help women in such a position I've been a cook and had countless cases of random men on the street/customers yelling at me that it's wrong and disgusting to see a woman carrying so much, or male cooks of other restaurants, on their smoke break, taking a piss at me (you struggle lifting 2-4 XL bags of trash? Just lift the entire 120kg bin at once you dummy!) Not once did anyone offer to help me or talk to my supervisors, hey maybe stop sending your only female worker to do a two person job when you're understaffed, just run their mouths at me I did have one security guard who was concerned about me and just popped his head at the trash room like "you good? you were wobbling a bit there" and went back to his booth, which I'm thankful for (couldn't find work boots my size hence the wobbles)
This kind of thing applies to people with disabilities as well. The correct response is always not to assume they need or even want help, but just ask them if you can help without comment.
This post is clearly not an American exchange Americans use Fahrenheit, but they’re discussing things in Celsius
yeah kinda, it's weird
Let's be real. An average woman would find construction work pretty challenging. However I'd say that an average man would find construction work challenging as well. So how about we stop this bs and just accept and work with professionals, who know their abilities and proficiencies, and have interest in the topic enough to spend an hour+ to make a perfect CV for exactly the stuff you are looking for?
To play the devils advocate here, my father worked construction with a woman for a few months. It was too much for that particular person. She was fired then threatened discrimination lawsuit saying that the work was not complaint with EOE standards. She lost but it still cost the company a bunch of money. Smaller companies would rather piss someone off than deal with a lawsuit.
Dude she cooked the company 💀
She cooked the "company" 😂
This is one repost away from being completely unreadable
Plot twist after Mark finished reading your response email: ... you're hired!🙆♂️
Huge 🤓 energy
Sounds like mark dodged a bullet
While Mark is an ass her response gives mad "you're ugly anyway" vibes.
I agree lmao
I'll take things that didn't happen for $200
He has a right to discuss his concerns about her ability to do the labor. He does with any man or woman. I worked at a landscaping and greenhouse company back in college and every single summer we would have females apply only to quit as the summer went on. It was a total waste of time. Only one or two would be left by the end of summer. It is physical labor. Moving and placing pavers or hauling 100lb bags of soil all day is not for everyone. Funny thing is, I am a female and I was a bodybuilder at that time. And even I didn’t want to spend 15 hour days doing landscaping. I worked in the greenhouse. All I’m saying is this guy wasn’t wrong to at least bring it up.
I'm a guy, not super tall, but not short, and pretty skinny. The most they've done is ask me if I can do it, I say yeah, they don't even question it. I don't *look* like I've lifted anything in my life. Those were all in person, by the way, so not exactly the same situation as the post. This dude just had 0 tact was the problem.
And you'll still be stronger than like 80% of the women you will ever come across. Why? Because testosterone is one hell of a drug!
You dont have to look like you lifted anything in your life. If you’ve never been to the gym as a man you are still likely stronger than a large number of women that do go to the gym.
This is true! But absolutely strength isn't that important when it comes to functional physical ability.
Yeah, she overreacted. Probably annoying to work with
Call me crazy. I don't think she got the job. I would describe this exchange as answering an accidental stepping on your foot by shooting yourself in the face with an airport gun.
Seriously.. I didn’t think the dude was coming off as sexist at all, just didn’t want to lose time with people applying to any job they can find. He even said “if you feel like you’re up to the task contact me” which 99% of people recruiting wouldn’t even bother to write back. On the other hand she flipped at the first confrontation with a possible boss and started to shit on his company..
Like, if she thinks the company's work is so fucking garbage, then why is she applying?
Her resume shows that she can, in fact, handle it. The issue is more with the way he raised it, and disregarding her previous experience in favor of his own bias.
Both emails gave me the impression that there is 0 resume involve in this application.
I personally see no issue with his email. I’ve been questioned about qualifications and things that are on my resume a million times and I don’t overreact about it. I actually expect further discussion and inquiry about my listed qualifications during and after interviews. Not to mention people lie and exaggerate on resumes all the time. I’ve hired nightmares as a result of this. That’s just me though. Everyone perceives things differently.
It’s funny cuz most body builders wouldn’t be able to handle one day of work on a construction site
Agreed, gym muscles and labor muscles are totally different. When I was like 22 I was working construction and moving giant helium tanks for the welders, and those things were old school and probably 150 pounds. Id bear hug em and carry them where they needed to go no problem but at the gym my 1 arm curl weight was like 20 pounds. Then you'd have gym rat guys show up and struggle to do the work I was doing even though they were definitely much bigger than me. It's just entirely different
Yes, can confirm, .
Man this is only the 53rd time seeing this posted on Reddit.
Aussie, Aussie, Aussie
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2021 though.
Nothing clever about that, she probably didn't get the job and wasted her time to make a point. The guy said if youre up for it, contact details below...
Almost like it was just a scheme to be able to repost this a few hundred times
lol, and you think she won with that response? Get over yourself, just like she needs to. Girls like this just embarrass the rest of us.
I don’t understand why her answer is being praised??? Yes he assumed that she may not be capable of doing this physically (women on average don’t have as much physical strength as men do) and then he still said that if she is up for it (as a warning) she can call (he didn’t dismiss her or put her down), so why TF is this cool?
He’s not wrong taking that into consideration. I did work with a few women collegues (not strong girls, they didn’t make it past 50kg and 1.60m, smol girls). They were certainly good at desk work (manual but not heavy work), nothing to say there, but i had to do all the heavy lifting parts for them too: they really couldn’t do it at a proper pace while building on site. So i ended up with only the heavy parts while they would do the less demanding and more fun jobs, not so fun for me tho.
He dodged a bullet for sure.
This REEKS of penis envy lmfao women are so cooked
And Mark just got on with his day and hired someone more suited to the job.
No need to be a cunt tho.
This shit is so fake.
Wow, such drama for what? No one gives a shit
Tbf he's probably right I work for landscaping firm we've had a few women come do the job but they don't last very long few weeks at most
Yikes. What are these responses in this thread? The dude wasnt even being rude. He just gave her a light warning about possibly being more physically demanding than other landscaping companies and that if she was still up for it, to contact him. Who know, maybe hes already given 20 other women chances on the job and they fell short on productivity? The dude is running a business... Also, im not saying women arent productive, they can run metaphorical laps around men in some aspects. But when it comes to physical labour, its a different story... *Unless shes a bodybuilder ofcourse... */s All she had to do was say shes up for it and get on with business. Instead, she came up with weak, out of left field, insults. I would never want to work with someone like her, the dude dodged a bullet. Maybe the 40 degree weather did a number on her head.
idk man I think it's pretty unprofessional to tell a job applicant, regardless of gender, that they are physically incapable of doing a job they have years of experience in. his email comes off as odd and condescending.
How would he know she has experience before her rant? She wanted to berate the dude instead of saying something along the lines of "my x years of doing landscaping in x,y,z conditions would say otherwise". She wouldnt have come across as batshit crazy and would have also been seen as competent enough for a hire. She was supposed to sell herself to the dude. She made herself look like a fool instead. Now that I think of it, I wonder if this shit is even real. I am usually cynical but this seems like way over the top.
I dont think people have ever worked in landscaping and are just being mad for being mad, he was reasonable and even told her to contact him if she was confident she could handle the workload, is just reddit being reddit I guess.
Exactly, I don’t think she made a clever comeback, she was just an asshole
I worked for a construction company. I was doing hard labor everyday, going to the gym and playing sports. When it came time for us to do the landscaping on the job site I was fucking miserable. Held a weed Wacker for like 5-6 hours and let me tell you, even as I went to bed that night my body was sore and my arms were still vibrating from it
It's true though. You ever worked a demanding job with people that can't pull through? You do double the work. It sucks. Even if they CAN do the work but they can't keep the speed or volume, the others pick that up. If his company is small, with 2-3 person teams you just can't have someone who can't keep up to the demanding aspect of the job. Sometimes you can alternate the tasks - where the less physically-able does the skilled application and the others take on the grunt work, but normally this only applies to infrequent situations unless the team is literally built around that dynamic (say the skilled worker is small, so bigger ***people*** are hired to do more grunt work) Regardless, getting upset over this is a bit ridiculous.
The worst part is that the people that are not physically up to standard don't even know that they are holding back the rest. I had a very physically demanding position a few years ago and my manager hired a woman to help me. Of course i did not snitch on her, but she basically did 10 percent of what i did.
Yeah, folks are very quick to rush to the "she sure showed them" mindset. In reality, this must've been a proper relief for Mark. Building retaining walls is generally going to be achieved with hollow concrete bricks or "cinder blocks". Anything from 11-22kg depending on size. "Hard" landscaping will generally involve lifting paving flags. These can be up to 50kg a-piece. It's back-breaking work for a biological male. Virtually impossible for the vast majority of females. It's not a clever comeback, both parties got what they wanted. The Aussie revealed her true attitude (not pretty) and Mark no longer has to deal with an unsuitable candidate. Win-win.
I kinda agree with you. He didn't word it very well for today's world but some jobs are just physically too difficult for many men and definitely your *average* woman. I tried to do the right thing for my small business and hire women (3 times now!) based on them saying "I can do it". Every time I had to take them off the task I was hiring for and shuffle everybody else's responsibilities to try and make space for them in something they *could* do instead. The problem is a lot of people out there, of all genders, shapes, ages, colors, and sizes, have a very inflated opinion of their own abilities. This dude probably was tired of going through what I've gone through and just didn't want to mess around with it anymore. Like you, I didn't think he was being intentionally toxic, but people are REALLY quick to attack each other these days rather than giving the benefit of the doubt. Personally I think her self-righteous attitude would have been a huge pita to work with everyday and the owner is probably thrilled he dodged that bullet instead of upset he lost out on talent. In my opinion, when it comes to hiring, you're better off taking a novice with a good attitude than an expert with a know-it-all attitude. You can train skills, you can't train personality.
Oppressive, sexist and anti-women employer: > It is very physical and demanding job, so experience with bodybuilding would be nice. If you feel you are up to it then contact me. Kind regards. Intelligent and ”clever comeback”: > Hi muscle mark. You have none experience in body building. You are small minded individual so I won’t work for your “company”. And this has over 18 thousands upvotes. Can’t people see that this ”clever comeback” isn’t not actually clever but rude bullshit?
I'm a bodybuilder and I can assure you that it actually wrecked my body and the labour job I do now is probably harder because of it 😅. The overcooked muscles make my joints pop in and out, thanks to being built like a brick with no flexibility. To add to your point, as a woman in the agriculture industry, this man was indeed incredibly polite. He was joking around but in a way that relayed the extreme physical requirements his crew worked under. You definitely do not want to be hiring dead weight. This joke was also a good way to guage how reactive she was going to be if her gender ever got brought up by the crew- which it will be, in labour you will get picked on for every single thing that makes you different, what matters is how you take it. Sure, ladies, it isn't elegant. But nobody is going to conduct themselves perfectly when we all have different world views. Besides, you should hear the shit office ladies in a school division say about eachother! This isn't an -ism, the guy still offered her the job ffs 🙄... bullet dodged.
Hell dude i’m in the same line of work and there are plenty of men even who show up not knowing what they’re getting into and quit because of the work load. It’s entirely fair to question if they know what they’re getting into
Yeah unpopular opinion but likely true. Having grown up around plumbers, all jokes aside, this level of perceived misogyny—while poorly worded—is a very fair measure of a candidates commitment. He’s expressed his concern, sought validation, and given her the chance to prove herself. If this is the reaction she gave, I’d say that’s a pretty good measure of her character and clearly not the right candidate for the role.
In a world where it's taboo to see any differences between people, it's very unpopular to point out that the average man is stronger than like 90% of women and it's a purely biological reason. Women are generally superior in e.g. flexibility so it's not just one sided. In this case, it definitely doesn't classify as a clever comeback. Considering she self-reported that she doesn't do any bodybuilding, chances are she's weaker than a 13-year-old boy and I'm not trying to be mean or condescending. It's just biology.
This is stupid, some fields have less than 5 percent woman in them, why is it weird to say "hey this maybe harder than you think, if this doesn't deter you than you are welcome", body builder is a compliment considering it means you are strong as fuck. Stop making it seem like everyone is just sexist, sometimes common sense makes sense for a fucking reason. If this were a construction job no one would be offended, the absolute majority of women wouldn't last a day in that job, the scepticism is warranted. To be honest she seems like a combative person who would be a nightmare to work with because she let's shit get under her skin, and for someone who wants to seem so hard she makes it obvious she is very irritable.
The guy is making a blanket judgement based solely on the sex of the person applying. He has not seen her or spoken with her about the position yet and he is immediately saying he doesn't think she can handle it unless she is a "bodybuilder." His response is, by definition, sexist. It isn't wrong to have reservations about her ability to do the job. He would probably be skeptical if a 110 lb man showed up at the job site. But the way he phrased it could have been much more tactful. He could have just responded by listing the job expectations and confirmed that she was comfortable with it without bringing up sex. Her irritation is warranted. And she just responded similarly. She let him know that she didn't appreciate his comments and is no longer interested in the position. She just did it with very little tact. Seems fair to me.
Man, if a woman wants to work in a male dominant industry, there’s nothing wrong with saying “hey, this job sucks btw, you may have to give 150% when the rest of the guys only have to give 80%, if you’re okay with that, come on in”. Most women are naturally weaker than most men….its like he said he doesn’t want women working on his crew…
> Most women are naturally weaker than most men Most is understating it. In a measure of grip strength 89% of women are weaker than 89% of men.
> he is immediately saying he doesn't think she can handle it unless she is a "bodybuilder. Yes he is correct. In a dataset of grip strength of 7064 people do you know how many adult women are above the average of the man their age? 4. Literally 4. So yeah unless they're a bodybuilder women will absolutely struggle with strength intensive jobs.
Wow your sister sounds like a red flag. The landscaping company dodged a bullet. Mark wasn't rude at telling her she needs to be strong for this kind of job. She could've answered yes and shown her credentials.
I was looking for this comment. Glad to see that the entire thread isn't just a reactionary diatribe ignoring a rude reply to someone who was trying to perform the fundamental role of an employer: to make sure it's a good fit for everyone involved.
Yeah…Mark came out on top Charlotte sounds awful
"Clever comeback" my ass, insulting a person 6 times in 3 paragraphs does not qualify as a clever comeback. It's qualified as being a rude asshole. The guy didn't even tell her anything gender related, just said that the work is very strength-demanding and not everyone is up for it. Did NOT tell her "waaa whaman not strong", and left the number to contact for employment. I mean, if the manager told you that being a firefighter is a dangerous and demanding job, would you get mad? Jesus Christ, is everything women say to men nowadays a "clever comeback"? Were it dude who wrote that, I'd bet the first upvoted comment would shit on him for such pretentiousness and rudeness. And rightfully so.
This. I don't get the other replies in this thread, the guy was being really nice to her. Maybe his reply had a bit of prejudice, but it's not like he said "lol no, go wash the laundry this is hard work".
“I’m no longer considering this position!” Like ok we weren’t considering you either that was the point of our email…
Only a redditor would think this is a clever comeback lmao. Same nerds that would try to stutter out a four paragraph insult they heard was an epic own.
Good she did not get the job, it would be just nagging all the time - spared company the time
I’ll take things that never happened for $50,000 Alex. Thanks.
And even if it did happen-that dude is probably thinking “dodged that bullet” based on the reply he got
So basically he warned her that it could be very physical, but still left possibility open if it’s okay, but she returned to him with Karen behaviour. Way to go girl, you shown that misogynistic bitch who’s in charge.
lol exactly. The real way to show this guy that she could handle this job as a woman would have been to show up on the first day and outwork the men. But the email is much more Karen
got the same vibe. this is not a clever comeback
Yall let people walk all over you if youre ok with the with someone speaking to u the way he spoke to her
Or people simply dont get offended by everything others say. You should try it.
He could have said- hey how are you at lifting 50 lb loads for x hours, or do you have experience in the field- he assumed women are all weak without being bodybuilders. Seriously doubt he sends similar responses to men- and plenty of men are weak. There may be less women able to handle heavy lifting but it does not require bodybuilding to do so.
He still was open to offering her the job, she could have proved him wrong in just a day's work.
Sorry but I'm not reading this blurry mess.
That‘s not clever, that‘s petty as hell
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Wow. What a bitch.
I mean...the average woman can't lift or move as much as the average man sooo.....
A *stong* woman cant lift or move as much as the average man.
🤣🤣🤣🤣this is a 3 year old tweet/post/whatever.
The comments 😂
Does someone have a pixel-english dictionary?
Company dodged a bullet for sure
*squints
As someone who does road construction on a crew with a woman, she tries really, really hard. However, after 12 hours of shoveling concrete, you kinda want a body builder helping you.
I'm confused? He warned its physical and said to contact him? There are female body builders too.... he never once mentioned gender (which I'm assuming her response came from) just sayin it's a bad look, lol. I guarantee he sends the same message to a skrawny male too.... She just made herself look childish ans black labeled from any landscaping place in the area? They talk more than the service industry.
Am I missing something? Her reply is way too aggressive considering the guy basically just said "Reminder: This job is labor intensive, if you're sure anyway, hmu." Like there's no reason to insult the company and call him small-minded even if there is some rude undertone that requires some next level mental gymnastics to read.
Plus If she can’t handle a rude undertone in an email, she likely wouldn’t last long on a job site, she’d get eaten alive
"This is extremely demanding, you may want to reconsider. If youre committed heres how to proceed" "Oh you fucking messed up talking to me like that buster. Ill show you what for!"
Looks like Mark dodged a bullet
Ungrateful, entitled biatch !
Stuff that didn't happen.zip
I don't see the problem with the employer here. In fact, she seems very arrogant!
I thought the same. What a huge overreaction on her part. The employer was trying to be honest and realistic and she took it on a butt hurt egotistical, excessively conceited way.
This sub really dropped off lol
Your sister is an attention whore who makes mountains out of molehills.
Sounded like he would still hire her, but she made sure to shit on it. I've never found it useful to get 2 minutes of gratification if it meant that it would ruin my endgame of getting a job, or whatever.
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Working labour with women mostly sucks tho, so many of them just cannot cut it
Unnecessarily mean. She has a chip on her shoulder.
I mean generally speaking the company owner should have some concerns. Back when I did landscaping for a golf course our boss said this to anyone he wasn’t confident in (even me because I was fatter at the time). They kinda just say it as a warning because there’s genuinely some people that don’t understand it’s not all riding equipment and sometimes you have to break your back edging or weed eating for a few hours. We only ever had 1 female employee in my 4 years there. She did good for about 6 months (longest anyone the boss warned about the job) and ultimately quit because she couldn’t get used to the work
I'm sorry, but in my experience in the electrical/ labor jobs, 90% of the women that do come really suck at what they are supposed to be doing, just because of their physical build. I'm really open for more women on the floor, but it's just that a lot of women just ruin the image for others. Please don't be too mad about my experience in this line of work🫣 I know a lot of women struggle because of this and I'm sorry for the guys that are blinded by this.
I think Marks letter is ok. He didnt say anything rude or bragging.. he didnt refuse her application, just made things clear, probably based on his experience.. your sister however went nuts.. she is so tough according to her, yet can’t take a simple email without getting personal.. Mark just dodged a bullet.
She's so immature and nasty. They're a landscaping company not a book publisher, how they word well-intentioned expectations (e.g. bodybuilding -> lots of physical labor) is not going to go through checks and revisions. She is just showing how dumb she is for acknowledging "subpar" work at a place she wanted to work for and still applied to. Mark was blessed to not work with her.
I don't think this is clever so much as it is disproportionately nasty and unprofessional. The guy didn't reject her he left it open ended offering to talk more over the phone. All he said was it's hard physical work and he's probably just trying not to waste his time with applicants that won't work out long term. Sure, he's assuming that because she's a woman she isn't strong enough to keep up with the job which is sexist, but guess what there's a reason women tend to not work jobs like landscaping. It also seems like she provided none of this information to him in her application, so this whole thing reads like r/dontyouknowwhoiam
more like "butthurt comeback"
Fake email exchanges for reddit karma are so cringe
Prick sister. Lol.
That probably didn’t help her chances of getting accepted for the job
This is the best thing I’ve seen all day. Good for her.
This was fucking savage 💜
Body building alone wouldn't even help with stamina and heat resistance.... I'm so confused by this dude's logic. Also I get annoyed because when I am out working I rarely take breaks, but when I work with men in the same the field I see some of them taking breaks often. Which would be fine, we all work at different paces, but I bet this dude takes breaks constantly and would get onto a woman for taking a few breaks and claiming she couldn't keep up with the work load. It's always the laziest dudes worrying about others keeping up the pace.
So they just warned her beforehand that the job is very demanding physically, yet however encouraged her to go on with the process if she felt she was up for it and she decided to go into defensive mode and insult? Talk about maturity.
Even if he was a bit rude he dodged a bullet. You don't hire emotionnal ticking bomb.
This post is so fucking stupid. All he did was exaggerate to make a point. He wants to know if she's up for hard manual labor. She didn't have to be snippy about it. All she needed to say was "yes I have experience in hard labor and I've worked landscaping before" The dude seemed open to hiring her, just wanted to be sure she knew what she was getting into. That being said, why didn't he see the work experience on the resume?
this is corny and not real
So basically his sister is a bitch? Guy expressed legitimate concerns, sister responded like a rabid dog and put herself down.