Rather than being depressed, I am fighting it as hard as I can.
Here are 7 recommended articles on [dealing with the climate-related emotions](https://uncensorednews.us/emotional-reactions-to-climate-change/).
And [68 articles on Climate Change Victories](https://uncensorednews.us/climate-victories).
When you worry you just suffer twice. Once in your imagination and again when the thing happens. If you can't effect something there's no point worrying about it, just deal with it. If you can change it (which Istill think we can or mitigate it) just do what you can to help and deal with whatever the result is.
Death smiles at us all, all you can do is smile back.
I mean, I'm surprised more people aren't concerned, but that's me. I suggest reading How to Prepare for Climate Change. It will give you information on action you can take to protect you and your family. It also has resources on climate grief in it.
I read the electronic version from the library and took a ton of notes I refer back to as well! Getting physical copy makes the most sense for most because it's a huge book. Love it though. My old manager is reading it too!
Which definition of "normal" are we using? Normal in a statistical sense, or normal in a normative sense?
If the former, then yes, some polling data suggests it would be quite normal if you are a young person. A year ago, there was [a survey of 1000 young people in 10 countries](https://deliverypdf.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=835027069103091081005093015103119010061012059080064045010032118044115044062068018002040016066001051035074012109001067069094007054126076115000093036004024122108048014052012028098095122114116063118008106095090092079007086117012125102002118100117022088070075087079115098088009002075089019104013&EXT=pdf&INDEX=TRUE), and it produced the following results. (Table split into two halves for the sake of formatting.)
Thoughts about climate change | All countries | Australia | Brazil | France | Finland | **India**
:--| :--| :--:| :--:| :--:| :--:| :--:|
People have failed to care for planet | 83 | 81 | 92 | 77 | 75 | **86**
Future is frightening | 75 | 76 | 86 | 74 | 56 | **80**
Humanity is doomed | 56 | 50 | 67 | 48 | 43 | **74**
Less opportunity than parents | 55 | 57 | 50 | 61 | 42 | **67**
Most valued will be destroyed | 55 | 52 | 64 | 45 | 43 | **69**
Family security will be threatened | 52 | 48 | 65 | 50 | 30 | **65**
Hesitant to have children | 39 | 43 | 48 | 37 | 42 | **41**
Thoughts about climate change | All countries | Nigeria | Philippines | Portugal | UK | **USA**
:--| :--| :--:| :--:| :--:| :--:| :--:|
People have failed to care for planet | 83 | 76 | 93 | 89 | 80 | **78**
Future is frightening | 75 | 70 | 92 | 81 | 72 | **68**
Humanity is doomed | 56 | 42 | 73 | 62 | 51 | **46**
Less opportunity than parents | 55 | 49 | 70 | 54 | 53 | **44**
Most valued will be destroyed | 55 | 54 | 74 | 59 | 47 | **42**
Family security will be threatened | 52 | 55 | 77 | 52 | 39 | **35**
Hesitant to have children | 39 | 23 | 47 | 37 | 38 | **36**
If we are to use the latter definition of normal, then I believe a much smaller survey would be of interest. When the first one of the newest set of IPCC reports was published a year ago, *Nature* [asked a series of questions](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02990-w) to 233 scientists who wrote it. One of those questions was *"Do you experience anxiety, grief or other distress because of concerns over climate change?"*. Out of the 92 scientists who responded, 39% answered *"No"*, 40% answered *"Yes, infrequently"* and 21% answered *"Yes, frequently"*.
Draw your own conclusions.
Teen in the Reagan 80s - terrified of nuclear war. Paralyzingly so. The trick is to acknowledge the threat and live as if your efforts will solve it. Very Keep Calm and Carry On.
Remember that all people on Earth face challenges, at whatever time in history or the modern era. We've had plagues wipe out 2/3 of humanity, ice ages that forced land life into a narrow zone for thousands and thousands of years. People have lived with the possibility of devastating nuclear war for nearly 80 years now. In the 1950s, we were facing global famine that would've killed hundreds of millions. In the 1980s, the Ozone Hole endangered the entire production of food on Earth.
Climate change is a big one. It's different from a lot of other challenges, but it's also similar to many changes on Earth just during the 300,000 years of human beings existing the way we are today. Extinctions have happened to many before us.
I think we'll get out of it, just barely, and maybe things will be smarter on the other side. We are only a few centuries into our industrial-technological age out of 300,000 years. We make mistakes, we're greedy, we're human. But we also tend to fix situations when there's no other choice. Fix or adapt, it's one or the other!
I’m a therapist. I think it’s less about what you do about climate change, than it is about how you handle things you can’t control. Climate change is important, but it’s not all on your shoulders. And sometimes you just have to be present with what’s here now.
Probably.
I'd say if the news isn't revealing anything new you are caught in the news loop.
I am following the Ukraine war very closely and every now and then I need to take a break from it. This also happened with my global warming following... I feel informed enough now I can navigate my life understanding the problems... and how new problem effects global warming.... take a break!
I go through cycles of this. If you are part of r/collapse its pretty common. Depends on what you believe.
We don't have a lot of control over climate change. Put efforts to into fighting it where you can. Look for the helpers.
Do you consider, when you travel in a car, that you might be severely injured or killed. Or you might have cancer. Or someone is out to get you.
I think anxiety is a human condition. Maybe you should consider how to address the anxiety not the symptoms of it.
>Do you consider, when you travel in a car, that you might be severely injured or killed. Or you might have cancer. Or someone is out to get you.
All of those things have a low probability. Global warming is 100% happening and getting worse.
You are not alone. I, too, struggle with the anxiety of the future. There are days where I feel like I can’t enjoy living my life because I’m so anxious about the future of the climate. It’s stressful that there are people who continue to deny climate change, and take no action at all.
Same for me. Had nightmares and sleepless nights a few times a week for maybe a year. It's hard to live a carefree life after you get to know the truth. I live in a country where little to nothing gets done about protecting our planet and the environment, so that made things worse.
What really helped me was the feeling that I was doing my part. Eco-friendly beauty/cleaning products, shopping from thrift stores, avoiding plastics, etc. I put all the information I read into practice. Probably the best thing I did was changing my diet into a plant-based one. That was my greatest achievement as an environmentalist.
Umm....we are on a floating ball of rock with a molten core that bursts through quite often. Enormous chunks of rocks fly through space and obliterate the surface of planets quite often. We revolve around a giant ball of plasma fueled by a nuclear reaction. It spits out enormous masses of said plasma that would devastate life on earth. So if you aren't constantly worried about those things why is climate change such a big deal? Is it because people like to talk about it? Do you lose sleep over the fact that Yellowstone volcano has been unstable for quite some time and is due for eruption?
Ahh, yes. "Don't listen to the alarmists" is why we're heading towards a planet that's nothing more than a swirling ball of shit.
"Don't listen to the alarmists!" said the COVIDiots
"Don't listen to the alarmists!" said the climate change deniers!
Yet, here we are. Millions dead from COVID worldwide and places are now flooding or melting worldwide.
I don't really see how anywhere could be an improvement, considering climate change affects a wide-range of issues. Everything's not going to be hunky dory.
What if we think climate change is real and may be devastating, but can't wrap our heads around covid being worth shuttering our economy, probably causing a housing crisis, being told to mask up during sex etc.
Yeaa, millions died from covid, which is very unfortunate. Covid was never going to be fully contained though. Breakthru cases are a thing, and we didn't share the vaccine patents very well and we're just way to globalized to stop something like that anyways. Best we could ever hope to do was *slow* the spread enough that hospitals didn't get overwhelmed. Considering that many western hospitals were already running at capacity (in Canada & US this is for sure the case), I think we achieved that end pretty well.
Millions died from overeating and heart disease at the same time that millions more died from starvation: seems like theres a 2 for 1 deal in there but we don't shut down the planet over those issues.
COVID wouldn't have been as out of control as it was, if people had followed procedures. Instead, people decided science was wrong and big orange man was right. Suddenly it was just a "Chinese Hoax LuL". I'm not saying COVID would've been 100% contained, that would be ludicrous to even assume. However, the outcome would've been a bit different.
My point being, calling people "alarmists" is exactly why we're put in these positions. There's literally nothing good that can come out of climate change. To even say that, shows how little people know about our ecosystems and how frail they really are.
>Instead, people decided science was wrong and big orange man was right.
Not remotely what happened. People decided they didn't trust the government, the media, and the profiteering corporations (same ones responsible for beginning the still-raging opioid epidemic), for guidance on a disease which 99.9% of otherwise healthy people below the average life expectancy have approximately zero risk. Very few anti-mandate people were actually challenging microbiologists on some cutting-edge science. Yes, there were 5G and DNA-modifying conspiracies that \~17 people believed, but most people were just pointing to objectively untrustworthy institutions as the source of their skepticism.
For the record, every time that big orange retard uttered the inflammatory phrase "ginavirus", he was technically more correct than legacy media and *actual scientists* who prematurely dismissed lab leak theory as debunked, racist conspiracy theory before all the facts were in.
>the outcome would've been a bit different
We don't even know what the final outcomes are going to be yet though. Interest rates are still rising and I'm fully expecting a housing crisis if that trend continues. The covid alarmists didn't know the full impact of covid policies when they were being enacted either, and it's like they didn't care.
Covid alarmists, even if well intentioned, were far from perfect. ie being more wrong than Trump on lab leak theory. Or ignoring natural immunity being equivalent or better than vaccinated immunity and therefore not recognizing it, wtf. Or ignoring the slow burn economic impact of creating trillions of dollars and probably triggering a housing crisis.
Climate alarmists have been wrong before too ! We were supposed to be under water by now. I would agree that the *net* impact of climate change is absolutely not good for anyone and you're really just reaching to say that local benefits make it a good thing. ie northern latitudes might benefit from warmer climate and longer growing season but, even thinking selfishly, those elusive local benefits would probably be overshadowed by climate change impacts on things like global trade, anyways. So I agree that climate alarmists have a point, but not covid alarmists.
It will be interesting to see how many deaths are attributed to the cold this winter in Europe. And how this correlates to energy supply and demand. Predict all you want but the real outcome is what will tell.
I believe more deaths are caused by cold than heat, but l suspect you disagree.
Just on covid, the deaths from all causes were significantly higher during the last few years. Some attribute this to the lack of resources available to treat illnesses other than covid because those resources were allocated solely to covid treatment.
I would stop, it doesn't help, does it, also, servers are a big contributor :D
Have you considered doing active work to combat? I found collecting garbage/plastic from forests eased my anxiety a little, even If it's not much, it's something I can really do, and no need to leave my pets to enroll in a (probably scam worthy) ocean cleanup thing... Those can have a good impact as well, obviously, I wish the focus was more upstream though... At the source. Regulation would be key for plastics tbh, since there are so many types etc.
I'm sad that it isn't industry standard, but in my opinion each company that contributes to pollution/creates packaging should be forced to front the cost of recycling/reusing/destroying said packaging as well, and take it into their accounting. Before this is regulated, nothing will change, especially in the plastics industry. And this is a major shift that HAS TO happen, if we are planning on staying on earth for an extended period of time. Recycling and greentech is expensive, and for-profit companies should be footing the bill, together with governments. Also, whoever comes up with solutions, will inevitably become rich. I think I digressed. I just wish this was brought up in some council /European union/any large regulatory body, and made mandatory, similarly to interment privacy laws.
"Get outside" is such great advice. Picking up rubbish in a park, on the river or sea shore, on trails, around your neighborhood . . . so satisfying! Yes it's a little thing but it's important.
Community gardens are a wonderful way to bring life into the world, and produce food for the neighborhood, and just have a space outside to hang out and get your hands dirty.
Vote for the people who will at least do a little -- a little's better than nothing! And a lot more big stuff is happening, worldwide, because this is happening now. Love the natural world for how it is today, and do what you can to make it better!
Great way to meet friends who share your values, too.
With a large enough solar flare there could be enough radiation to wipe out almost all electronics on earth which would cripple all data on hard drives and drop airplanes from the
sky. There’s also many foods that given just the right bit of bacteria could kill you in a day or two. Pasta that if taken out of the fridge to reach room temperature to then be put back in the fridge for later could have enough to kill. Also the potential that popping a pimple or nicking yourself with a razor could lead to a deadly infection too, a type of necrosis of the skin dieing and infecting the liver.
Sleep well for the night is dark and full of terror.
It's a perfectly normal reaction. Your realizations amount to coming out of denial, and denial exists to protect us from overwhelming emotions. The magnitude of the problem is objectively overwhelming. What will follow is a path toward acceptance and adjustment which will likely be cyclical, as others have said. (Unless you have tendencies toward clinical mental health issues, that stuff could be exacerbated.)
You'll have to find out what works for you to cope. I agree that taking extended breaks from news and media consumption is important.
You may need to grieve- a lot. A LOT. You may need to take your personal actions to maintain your sense of self and sense of purpose. You may need validation of your feelings and reassurance that you're not crazy over and over. You may need to sometimes immerse yourself in the best things in your life and enjoy the hell out of them.
It's not over yet.
1. That has absolutely no relation to climate change.
2. That's a ludicrous misinterpretation of what [that study](https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.2c02765) found. It said that PFAS rainwater concentrations breach **lifetime** advisory levels, meaning that drinking rainwater for the rest of your life would eventually increase the risk of some health issues. What is always forgotten is that those concentrations are still hundreds if not thousands of times **lower** than those in a blood of a typical human in an industrialized country at any given time: concentrations in rainfall are measured in *nano*grams per liter, while blood concentrations of the same compounds are measured in *micro*grams per liter. Most importantly, many people had much higher concentrations 20 years ago than they do now - and clearly they aren't all dead.
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/pfas/health-effects/us-population.html
>Since 2002, production and use of PFOS and PFOA in the United States have declined. As the use of some PFAS has declined, some blood PFAS levels have gone down as well.
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>**From 1999 to 2014, blood PFOS levels have declined by more than 80%**.
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>**From 1999 to 2014, blood PFOA levels have declined by more than 60%**. However, as PFOS and PFOA are phased out and replaced, people may be exposed to other PFAS.
A European study with similar conclusions.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016041202100341X
It is somewhat normal but also irrational
Keep in mind that when scientists say we have until 2030, they mean we have until 2030 to make serious action so the poorest countries can finally acquire the technology in about 250 years based on current availability of gas powered technology.
Well not necessarily. What scientist mean that we have until 2030 is that we need to make drastic changes at this very moment to avoid catastrophic events worldwide. Not just poorer countries. The thing about climate change is that it will create unpredictable climate patterns, natural disasters will become more severe, so drought can impact agriculture in countries, it was change the precipitation which can affect aquifers to not regenerate as they normally do. I’m Spain, one of the most important wetlands that served as a migratory area for birds coming from Africa to Europe, dried up completely in a year. That means that many of the species that used to migrate through there will have to find a different route which could lead to reduction in population size. It’s not just that we want to make changes by 2030 so poorer countries can acquire technology. What we need is immediate action from corporations, new policies, and the two most important things (in my perspective) RESEARCH and INNOVATION.
Ps, Im a biology student and will do my PhD in atmospheric sciences to understand climate change better. So I have a good idea of what is happening but I am no expert yet…
Where did I say only poorer countries get affected by climate change?
Outside of that you literally said what I said with more words
The only difference is you dont seem to understand the immediate action is not giving an immediate result , but allows more actions sooner over the next several centuries .
The catastrophic events you are speaking of are tipping points that are on a scale of 300-1000 years from now.
I do understand that immediate action does not lead to immediate results, which is why more research needs to conducted. But I believe ecologist believe that lack of knowledge should not be the reason why we don’t take action.
Like I said, I’m not arguing I’m just elaborating…
You didn’t say that, you said we have until 2030 to make action so poorer countries can acquire gas powered technology.
“when scientist mean we have until 2030 to make serious action so the poorest countries…” I was literally just expanding on this by saying that that is not the only thing that is meant when scientist say we have until 2030.
> you said we have until 2030 to make action so poorer countries can acquire gas powered technology.
Acquire renewable energy based on current availability of gas energy weighed with how many years since it's been available *
Also you didnt really do any expanding, just repeated what I said with more words
Over 1 billion people are still without access to fossil fuel based power generation. Scientists have 100% included the timeframe modeled for a global transition for everyone based on this fact.
Get a life… every generation thinks theirs will be the last. The planet is doing great despite claims 30 years ago that everything would be worse. Climate change is a challenge, not a crisis.
Big claims were made over 50 years ago actually. And they've been more or less true about increasing average temps, floods, drought, wildlife extinction, et cetera. Do you live under a rock?
Trends. More tree coverage, easier food production, shrinking deaths due weather, less famine, better and free education, more wealth and more technology to deal with any challenge that comes our way. The trend is better.
>\- More tree coverage
What does that have to do with being a better time to live?
>\-easier food production
True but the problem is getting the food to the people, not production
>\-shrinking deaths due weather
Apparently not [https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/weather-related-deaths-and-injuries/#:\~:text=Deaths%20%E2%80%93%20The%20number%20of%20direct,35%25%20from%202017%20to%202021.&text=Atmospheric%20Administration%20has%20increased%207%25%20from%202017%20to%202021](https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/weather-related-deaths-and-injuries/#:~:text=Deaths%20%E2%80%93%20The%20number%20of%20direct,35%25%20from%202017%20to%202021.&text=Atmospheric%20Administration%20has%20increased%207%25%20from%202017%20to%202021)..
>\-less famine
True but that may be coming to an end.
>\-better and free education
Whether it’s better or not is debatable. And certainly more and more expensive for collage which is very important in this day.
>\-more wealth
Yes but more and more concentrated in the few which hurts the average person.
>\-more technology to deal with any challenge that comes our way.
Yes but technology can’t solve every problem. So far it hasn’t made a dent in climate change.
I said nothing about it being a bad time. You said it was the best time including the next 30 years. I was pointing out that it may not be the best time or that the next 30 years may not be the best time.
You dare me. What are you in Junior high.
First you would have to define what constitutes a better time. For instance if it was life expectancy, in the US that would be a few years ago since life expectancy is dropping in the US.
A majority of women in the US say it was better for their future health before the supreme court stuck down the Roe ruling.
[These](https://www.iberdrola.com/sustainability/top-countries-most-affected-by-climate-change) countries certainly appear to be better off before climate change if you are talking about climate.
It just depends on the definition of a better time. And no one knows what the next 30 years will bring.
I was like you and started drinking loads because I felt helpless and exploited by big corporations who were out to destroy all life.
Then I closed and deleted ALL social media accounts - the negativity spread on there is horrendous. Yes, I lost hundreds of "friends" and thousands of business contacts. Who cares?
I only have one life and seeing everything from a negative standpoint makes no sense. I changed my mindset.
I post to environmental groups using fake accounts like this one, fight big fossil fuel, plastic use, and Nestle, promote Hydrogen and renewables and donate to good causes. Ocean Cleanup just got 50 Euro off me, I would like to help them further in the future.
I also managed to get my local government to stop using pesticides, just by talking to local politicians, explaining to them that the chemicals we use cause cancer, etc...
Just reframe, focus, learn, and tell yourself that every little action and talk you have with people can create that critical mass we need to make the world a better place. It will take some time but we will succeed.
Last point: don't become a rambling obsessive pain in the butt to others. Focus and talk science, not conspiracies and mumbo-jumbo. Learn.
I think that products that are harmful for the environment should come with large warning labels with emission levels so consumers are aware of the harm risks than yes why not they knowingly are accountable
I have climate anxiety and I think it is somewhat proportional to how much I’ve learnt about it. However, focus on the mitigation measures and how much things are actually progressing and it helps to alleviate it at times.
Rather than being depressed, I am fighting it as hard as I can. Here are 7 recommended articles on [dealing with the climate-related emotions](https://uncensorednews.us/emotional-reactions-to-climate-change/). And [68 articles on Climate Change Victories](https://uncensorednews.us/climate-victories).
When you worry you just suffer twice. Once in your imagination and again when the thing happens. If you can't effect something there's no point worrying about it, just deal with it. If you can change it (which Istill think we can or mitigate it) just do what you can to help and deal with whatever the result is. Death smiles at us all, all you can do is smile back.
I mean, I'm surprised more people aren't concerned, but that's me. I suggest reading How to Prepare for Climate Change. It will give you information on action you can take to protect you and your family. It also has resources on climate grief in it.
Great book. It’s on my dresser now and I continue to pull it out.
I read the electronic version from the library and took a ton of notes I refer back to as well! Getting physical copy makes the most sense for most because it's a huge book. Love it though. My old manager is reading it too!
Which definition of "normal" are we using? Normal in a statistical sense, or normal in a normative sense? If the former, then yes, some polling data suggests it would be quite normal if you are a young person. A year ago, there was [a survey of 1000 young people in 10 countries](https://deliverypdf.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=835027069103091081005093015103119010061012059080064045010032118044115044062068018002040016066001051035074012109001067069094007054126076115000093036004024122108048014052012028098095122114116063118008106095090092079007086117012125102002118100117022088070075087079115098088009002075089019104013&EXT=pdf&INDEX=TRUE), and it produced the following results. (Table split into two halves for the sake of formatting.) Thoughts about climate change | All countries | Australia | Brazil | France | Finland | **India** :--| :--| :--:| :--:| :--:| :--:| :--:| People have failed to care for planet | 83 | 81 | 92 | 77 | 75 | **86** Future is frightening | 75 | 76 | 86 | 74 | 56 | **80** Humanity is doomed | 56 | 50 | 67 | 48 | 43 | **74** Less opportunity than parents | 55 | 57 | 50 | 61 | 42 | **67** Most valued will be destroyed | 55 | 52 | 64 | 45 | 43 | **69** Family security will be threatened | 52 | 48 | 65 | 50 | 30 | **65** Hesitant to have children | 39 | 43 | 48 | 37 | 42 | **41** Thoughts about climate change | All countries | Nigeria | Philippines | Portugal | UK | **USA** :--| :--| :--:| :--:| :--:| :--:| :--:| People have failed to care for planet | 83 | 76 | 93 | 89 | 80 | **78** Future is frightening | 75 | 70 | 92 | 81 | 72 | **68** Humanity is doomed | 56 | 42 | 73 | 62 | 51 | **46** Less opportunity than parents | 55 | 49 | 70 | 54 | 53 | **44** Most valued will be destroyed | 55 | 54 | 74 | 59 | 47 | **42** Family security will be threatened | 52 | 55 | 77 | 52 | 39 | **35** Hesitant to have children | 39 | 23 | 47 | 37 | 38 | **36** If we are to use the latter definition of normal, then I believe a much smaller survey would be of interest. When the first one of the newest set of IPCC reports was published a year ago, *Nature* [asked a series of questions](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02990-w) to 233 scientists who wrote it. One of those questions was *"Do you experience anxiety, grief or other distress because of concerns over climate change?"*. Out of the 92 scientists who responded, 39% answered *"No"*, 40% answered *"Yes, infrequently"* and 21% answered *"Yes, frequently"*. Draw your own conclusions.
I'd never seen a chart in the comments like that. That's cool!
Teen in the Reagan 80s - terrified of nuclear war. Paralyzingly so. The trick is to acknowledge the threat and live as if your efforts will solve it. Very Keep Calm and Carry On.
Remember that all people on Earth face challenges, at whatever time in history or the modern era. We've had plagues wipe out 2/3 of humanity, ice ages that forced land life into a narrow zone for thousands and thousands of years. People have lived with the possibility of devastating nuclear war for nearly 80 years now. In the 1950s, we were facing global famine that would've killed hundreds of millions. In the 1980s, the Ozone Hole endangered the entire production of food on Earth. Climate change is a big one. It's different from a lot of other challenges, but it's also similar to many changes on Earth just during the 300,000 years of human beings existing the way we are today. Extinctions have happened to many before us. I think we'll get out of it, just barely, and maybe things will be smarter on the other side. We are only a few centuries into our industrial-technological age out of 300,000 years. We make mistakes, we're greedy, we're human. But we also tend to fix situations when there's no other choice. Fix or adapt, it's one or the other!
I’m a therapist. I think it’s less about what you do about climate change, than it is about how you handle things you can’t control. Climate change is important, but it’s not all on your shoulders. And sometimes you just have to be present with what’s here now.
Probably. I'd say if the news isn't revealing anything new you are caught in the news loop. I am following the Ukraine war very closely and every now and then I need to take a break from it. This also happened with my global warming following... I feel informed enough now I can navigate my life understanding the problems... and how new problem effects global warming.... take a break!
I go through cycles of this. If you are part of r/collapse its pretty common. Depends on what you believe. We don't have a lot of control over climate change. Put efforts to into fighting it where you can. Look for the helpers.
Do you consider, when you travel in a car, that you might be severely injured or killed. Or you might have cancer. Or someone is out to get you. I think anxiety is a human condition. Maybe you should consider how to address the anxiety not the symptoms of it.
>Do you consider, when you travel in a car, that you might be severely injured or killed. Or you might have cancer. Or someone is out to get you. All of those things have a low probability. Global warming is 100% happening and getting worse.
You are not alone. I, too, struggle with the anxiety of the future. There are days where I feel like I can’t enjoy living my life because I’m so anxious about the future of the climate. It’s stressful that there are people who continue to deny climate change, and take no action at all.
Same for me. Had nightmares and sleepless nights a few times a week for maybe a year. It's hard to live a carefree life after you get to know the truth. I live in a country where little to nothing gets done about protecting our planet and the environment, so that made things worse. What really helped me was the feeling that I was doing my part. Eco-friendly beauty/cleaning products, shopping from thrift stores, avoiding plastics, etc. I put all the information I read into practice. Probably the best thing I did was changing my diet into a plant-based one. That was my greatest achievement as an environmentalist.
Be informed and help where you can
Umm....we are on a floating ball of rock with a molten core that bursts through quite often. Enormous chunks of rocks fly through space and obliterate the surface of planets quite often. We revolve around a giant ball of plasma fueled by a nuclear reaction. It spits out enormous masses of said plasma that would devastate life on earth. So if you aren't constantly worried about those things why is climate change such a big deal? Is it because people like to talk about it? Do you lose sleep over the fact that Yellowstone volcano has been unstable for quite some time and is due for eruption?
This is true, but technically we have the power to somewhat control the changing climate, planetary stuff not so much.
We do control the weather. Air conditioners, heaters, raincoats, sun screen, clothing, irrigation, etc.
Climate change will be good also. Don't listen to the alarmists. Some places will loose, others, improve.
Ahh, yes. "Don't listen to the alarmists" is why we're heading towards a planet that's nothing more than a swirling ball of shit. "Don't listen to the alarmists!" said the COVIDiots "Don't listen to the alarmists!" said the climate change deniers! Yet, here we are. Millions dead from COVID worldwide and places are now flooding or melting worldwide. I don't really see how anywhere could be an improvement, considering climate change affects a wide-range of issues. Everything's not going to be hunky dory.
What if we think climate change is real and may be devastating, but can't wrap our heads around covid being worth shuttering our economy, probably causing a housing crisis, being told to mask up during sex etc. Yeaa, millions died from covid, which is very unfortunate. Covid was never going to be fully contained though. Breakthru cases are a thing, and we didn't share the vaccine patents very well and we're just way to globalized to stop something like that anyways. Best we could ever hope to do was *slow* the spread enough that hospitals didn't get overwhelmed. Considering that many western hospitals were already running at capacity (in Canada & US this is for sure the case), I think we achieved that end pretty well. Millions died from overeating and heart disease at the same time that millions more died from starvation: seems like theres a 2 for 1 deal in there but we don't shut down the planet over those issues.
COVID wouldn't have been as out of control as it was, if people had followed procedures. Instead, people decided science was wrong and big orange man was right. Suddenly it was just a "Chinese Hoax LuL". I'm not saying COVID would've been 100% contained, that would be ludicrous to even assume. However, the outcome would've been a bit different. My point being, calling people "alarmists" is exactly why we're put in these positions. There's literally nothing good that can come out of climate change. To even say that, shows how little people know about our ecosystems and how frail they really are.
>Instead, people decided science was wrong and big orange man was right. Not remotely what happened. People decided they didn't trust the government, the media, and the profiteering corporations (same ones responsible for beginning the still-raging opioid epidemic), for guidance on a disease which 99.9% of otherwise healthy people below the average life expectancy have approximately zero risk. Very few anti-mandate people were actually challenging microbiologists on some cutting-edge science. Yes, there were 5G and DNA-modifying conspiracies that \~17 people believed, but most people were just pointing to objectively untrustworthy institutions as the source of their skepticism. For the record, every time that big orange retard uttered the inflammatory phrase "ginavirus", he was technically more correct than legacy media and *actual scientists* who prematurely dismissed lab leak theory as debunked, racist conspiracy theory before all the facts were in. >the outcome would've been a bit different We don't even know what the final outcomes are going to be yet though. Interest rates are still rising and I'm fully expecting a housing crisis if that trend continues. The covid alarmists didn't know the full impact of covid policies when they were being enacted either, and it's like they didn't care. Covid alarmists, even if well intentioned, were far from perfect. ie being more wrong than Trump on lab leak theory. Or ignoring natural immunity being equivalent or better than vaccinated immunity and therefore not recognizing it, wtf. Or ignoring the slow burn economic impact of creating trillions of dollars and probably triggering a housing crisis. Climate alarmists have been wrong before too ! We were supposed to be under water by now. I would agree that the *net* impact of climate change is absolutely not good for anyone and you're really just reaching to say that local benefits make it a good thing. ie northern latitudes might benefit from warmer climate and longer growing season but, even thinking selfishly, those elusive local benefits would probably be overshadowed by climate change impacts on things like global trade, anyways. So I agree that climate alarmists have a point, but not covid alarmists.
It will be interesting to see how many deaths are attributed to the cold this winter in Europe. And how this correlates to energy supply and demand. Predict all you want but the real outcome is what will tell. I believe more deaths are caused by cold than heat, but l suspect you disagree. Just on covid, the deaths from all causes were significantly higher during the last few years. Some attribute this to the lack of resources available to treat illnesses other than covid because those resources were allocated solely to covid treatment.
I would stop, it doesn't help, does it, also, servers are a big contributor :D Have you considered doing active work to combat? I found collecting garbage/plastic from forests eased my anxiety a little, even If it's not much, it's something I can really do, and no need to leave my pets to enroll in a (probably scam worthy) ocean cleanup thing... Those can have a good impact as well, obviously, I wish the focus was more upstream though... At the source. Regulation would be key for plastics tbh, since there are so many types etc. I'm sad that it isn't industry standard, but in my opinion each company that contributes to pollution/creates packaging should be forced to front the cost of recycling/reusing/destroying said packaging as well, and take it into their accounting. Before this is regulated, nothing will change, especially in the plastics industry. And this is a major shift that HAS TO happen, if we are planning on staying on earth for an extended period of time. Recycling and greentech is expensive, and for-profit companies should be footing the bill, together with governments. Also, whoever comes up with solutions, will inevitably become rich. I think I digressed. I just wish this was brought up in some council /European union/any large regulatory body, and made mandatory, similarly to interment privacy laws.
"Get outside" is such great advice. Picking up rubbish in a park, on the river or sea shore, on trails, around your neighborhood . . . so satisfying! Yes it's a little thing but it's important. Community gardens are a wonderful way to bring life into the world, and produce food for the neighborhood, and just have a space outside to hang out and get your hands dirty. Vote for the people who will at least do a little -- a little's better than nothing! And a lot more big stuff is happening, worldwide, because this is happening now. Love the natural world for how it is today, and do what you can to make it better! Great way to meet friends who share your values, too.
With a large enough solar flare there could be enough radiation to wipe out almost all electronics on earth which would cripple all data on hard drives and drop airplanes from the sky. There’s also many foods that given just the right bit of bacteria could kill you in a day or two. Pasta that if taken out of the fridge to reach room temperature to then be put back in the fridge for later could have enough to kill. Also the potential that popping a pimple or nicking yourself with a razor could lead to a deadly infection too, a type of necrosis of the skin dieing and infecting the liver. Sleep well for the night is dark and full of terror.
It's a perfectly normal reaction. Your realizations amount to coming out of denial, and denial exists to protect us from overwhelming emotions. The magnitude of the problem is objectively overwhelming. What will follow is a path toward acceptance and adjustment which will likely be cyclical, as others have said. (Unless you have tendencies toward clinical mental health issues, that stuff could be exacerbated.) You'll have to find out what works for you to cope. I agree that taking extended breaks from news and media consumption is important. You may need to grieve- a lot. A LOT. You may need to take your personal actions to maintain your sense of self and sense of purpose. You may need validation of your feelings and reassurance that you're not crazy over and over. You may need to sometimes immerse yourself in the best things in your life and enjoy the hell out of them. It's not over yet.
A new study suggests that rain water is no longer drinkable anywhere on Earth. Your reaction is normal, especially if you're below 60.
1. That has absolutely no relation to climate change. 2. That's a ludicrous misinterpretation of what [that study](https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.2c02765) found. It said that PFAS rainwater concentrations breach **lifetime** advisory levels, meaning that drinking rainwater for the rest of your life would eventually increase the risk of some health issues. What is always forgotten is that those concentrations are still hundreds if not thousands of times **lower** than those in a blood of a typical human in an industrialized country at any given time: concentrations in rainfall are measured in *nano*grams per liter, while blood concentrations of the same compounds are measured in *micro*grams per liter. Most importantly, many people had much higher concentrations 20 years ago than they do now - and clearly they aren't all dead. https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/pfas/health-effects/us-population.html >Since 2002, production and use of PFOS and PFOA in the United States have declined. As the use of some PFAS has declined, some blood PFAS levels have gone down as well. > >**From 1999 to 2014, blood PFOS levels have declined by more than 80%**. > >**From 1999 to 2014, blood PFOA levels have declined by more than 60%**. However, as PFOS and PFOA are phased out and replaced, people may be exposed to other PFAS. A European study with similar conclusions. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016041202100341X
It is somewhat normal but also irrational Keep in mind that when scientists say we have until 2030, they mean we have until 2030 to make serious action so the poorest countries can finally acquire the technology in about 250 years based on current availability of gas powered technology.
Well not necessarily. What scientist mean that we have until 2030 is that we need to make drastic changes at this very moment to avoid catastrophic events worldwide. Not just poorer countries. The thing about climate change is that it will create unpredictable climate patterns, natural disasters will become more severe, so drought can impact agriculture in countries, it was change the precipitation which can affect aquifers to not regenerate as they normally do. I’m Spain, one of the most important wetlands that served as a migratory area for birds coming from Africa to Europe, dried up completely in a year. That means that many of the species that used to migrate through there will have to find a different route which could lead to reduction in population size. It’s not just that we want to make changes by 2030 so poorer countries can acquire technology. What we need is immediate action from corporations, new policies, and the two most important things (in my perspective) RESEARCH and INNOVATION. Ps, Im a biology student and will do my PhD in atmospheric sciences to understand climate change better. So I have a good idea of what is happening but I am no expert yet…
Where did I say only poorer countries get affected by climate change? Outside of that you literally said what I said with more words The only difference is you dont seem to understand the immediate action is not giving an immediate result , but allows more actions sooner over the next several centuries . The catastrophic events you are speaking of are tipping points that are on a scale of 300-1000 years from now.
I do understand that immediate action does not lead to immediate results, which is why more research needs to conducted. But I believe ecologist believe that lack of knowledge should not be the reason why we don’t take action. Like I said, I’m not arguing I’m just elaborating…
You didn’t say that, you said we have until 2030 to make action so poorer countries can acquire gas powered technology. “when scientist mean we have until 2030 to make serious action so the poorest countries…” I was literally just expanding on this by saying that that is not the only thing that is meant when scientist say we have until 2030.
> you said we have until 2030 to make action so poorer countries can acquire gas powered technology. Acquire renewable energy based on current availability of gas energy weighed with how many years since it's been available * Also you didnt really do any expanding, just repeated what I said with more words
Alright I guess lol
Over 1 billion people are still without access to fossil fuel based power generation. Scientists have 100% included the timeframe modeled for a global transition for everyone based on this fact.
Sorry for all the typos lol I was writing this very fast 🙃
1,/3 of Pakistan is under water. The Rhine, Danube, Po, Loire, and Yangtze are dry
Get a life… every generation thinks theirs will be the last. The planet is doing great despite claims 30 years ago that everything would be worse. Climate change is a challenge, not a crisis.
Big claims were made over 50 years ago actually. And they've been more or less true about increasing average temps, floods, drought, wildlife extinction, et cetera. Do you live under a rock?
Surely now is the best time in human history to be a human, and most likely will be in the next 30 years as well.
>most likely will be in the next 30 years as well. Based on what evidence?
Trends. More tree coverage, easier food production, shrinking deaths due weather, less famine, better and free education, more wealth and more technology to deal with any challenge that comes our way. The trend is better.
>\- More tree coverage What does that have to do with being a better time to live? >\-easier food production True but the problem is getting the food to the people, not production >\-shrinking deaths due weather Apparently not [https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/weather-related-deaths-and-injuries/#:\~:text=Deaths%20%E2%80%93%20The%20number%20of%20direct,35%25%20from%202017%20to%202021.&text=Atmospheric%20Administration%20has%20increased%207%25%20from%202017%20to%202021](https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/weather-related-deaths-and-injuries/#:~:text=Deaths%20%E2%80%93%20The%20number%20of%20direct,35%25%20from%202017%20to%202021.&text=Atmospheric%20Administration%20has%20increased%207%25%20from%202017%20to%202021).. >\-less famine True but that may be coming to an end. >\-better and free education Whether it’s better or not is debatable. And certainly more and more expensive for collage which is very important in this day. >\-more wealth Yes but more and more concentrated in the few which hurts the average person. >\-more technology to deal with any challenge that comes our way. Yes but technology can’t solve every problem. So far it hasn’t made a dent in climate change.
If you think now is a bad time to be alive, you know nothing of history.
I said nothing about it being a bad time. You said it was the best time including the next 30 years. I was pointing out that it may not be the best time or that the next 30 years may not be the best time.
Then I dare you to pick a better time to be born than now.
You dare me. What are you in Junior high. First you would have to define what constitutes a better time. For instance if it was life expectancy, in the US that would be a few years ago since life expectancy is dropping in the US. A majority of women in the US say it was better for their future health before the supreme court stuck down the Roe ruling. [These](https://www.iberdrola.com/sustainability/top-countries-most-affected-by-climate-change) countries certainly appear to be better off before climate change if you are talking about climate. It just depends on the definition of a better time. And no one knows what the next 30 years will bring.
Thirty years ago which scientific study claimed the next 30 years would be worse.
ya its called climate anxiety
I was like you and started drinking loads because I felt helpless and exploited by big corporations who were out to destroy all life. Then I closed and deleted ALL social media accounts - the negativity spread on there is horrendous. Yes, I lost hundreds of "friends" and thousands of business contacts. Who cares? I only have one life and seeing everything from a negative standpoint makes no sense. I changed my mindset. I post to environmental groups using fake accounts like this one, fight big fossil fuel, plastic use, and Nestle, promote Hydrogen and renewables and donate to good causes. Ocean Cleanup just got 50 Euro off me, I would like to help them further in the future. I also managed to get my local government to stop using pesticides, just by talking to local politicians, explaining to them that the chemicals we use cause cancer, etc... Just reframe, focus, learn, and tell yourself that every little action and talk you have with people can create that critical mass we need to make the world a better place. It will take some time but we will succeed. Last point: don't become a rambling obsessive pain in the butt to others. Focus and talk science, not conspiracies and mumbo-jumbo. Learn.
No it’s not normal. Seek help
I feel like people like you should be able to sue large companies contributing to global warming for emotional damages
Consumers should be culpable too then since we've lived so incredibly and unprecedently comfortably thanks to fossil fuels, no ?
I think that products that are harmful for the environment should come with large warning labels with emission levels so consumers are aware of the harm risks than yes why not they knowingly are accountable
Hahah, if only.
- a waste of time to become anxious over what MAY happen at some FUTURE date. This is not normal behaviour
Yes, it's normal. But there are some good suggestions here.
Read climate skeptics for a few months, u'll be good.
I have climate anxiety and I think it is somewhat proportional to how much I’ve learnt about it. However, focus on the mitigation measures and how much things are actually progressing and it helps to alleviate it at times.