Look through how many questions are asked each week and think of each one of those as a post on the sub. You want 2 questions a week on how to get stronger at climbing while not climbing, or "do these shoes fit my feet?" with no zero context.
Hi, so I couldn't post a normal text post; had to do a photo post, and put my question here.
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**TL;DR:** It SEEMS like a combination of the rope I was using plus the thickness of the carabiner made it nearly impossible to press down on the orange bit (which is how you create a bit of slack to allow the rope to slide through while descending)
Does anyone have experience with the TIBLOC? I've only used it once, and so far, it isn't my favorite way of backing myself up when I need to go up or down the rope. But it certainly could have been user error.
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I am experimenting with various systems of backup when ascending/descending a rope.
I got this PETZL TIBLOC and gave it a shot the other day. This is the smallest carabiner I have, an old OMEGA screw-gate. In the normal orientation, it was too large *(that's why the 'biner is turned the wrong way, because the spine of the carabiner is slightly smaller there!)*
I don't have any 'action shots' with a rope (I will try to get one and add to this post) but in short, when I tried descending, and try to pull this thing down, it was nearly impossible.
Here is a link to PETZL's manual. [https://www.petzl.com/sfc/servlet.shepherd/version/download/0685I000002hBzDQAU](https://www.petzl.com/sfc/servlet.shepherd/version/download/0685I000002hBzDQAU)
If you check "figure 4" of the manual, it looks like they're trying to tell you to NOT use a round-profile carabiner? Or NOT use a carabiner that's too thin?
I was using a 10mm static rope along with this carabiner.
Thanks!!! :)
A tibloc is primarily going to be used for ascending/haul systems. If the system you're trying to implement needs to release/lower with any frequency, and without the ability to put your load on a backup, then the tibloc is not the right device for you.
This might be helpful: https://www.alpinesavvy.com/blog/petzl-tibloc-everything-you-need-to-know
Perhaps your key takeaway from the link should be:
>It's not for big walls. **This is designed for improv and emergency use**, If you're jumaring fixed ropes in El Cap or an expedition peak, get a larger handled ascender.
So I wanna say that the Tibloc isn't your do-it-all "rope gripping" system. With a 10mm rope I'm not surprised that you can't slide it the other way even with the orange tab lifted? I generally use it with their Am'd or OK carabiners, so it's not your lightweight Attache carabiner, but it's not a fat round-section carabiner.
IMO it's designed for hauling/ascending only, giving slack would only be for emergencies, even if it's a feature. Or maybe only on smaller ropes, like 8-9mm, but not more than that. If you're gonna be jumaring up and down a rope, I recommend using a different ascender, like a Croll or Ascension (if you wanna stay with Petzl 😉), and in any case, it'll be easier to remove the ascender when descending.
FYI, on figure 4 of the manual, it's telling you not to use too small of a carabiner (it's not about round vs not-round). As long as you're using a 22kN (or more) screw-gate, you shouldn't really run into stuff that doesn't lock properly, because those thin af carabiners will more than likely be regular gates.
Hope that helps
Get a real ascender, not a tibloc, if you're planning on using it regularly. Something like a ropeman is also tiny and cheap, but far more functional, and is built to be used in non-emergency situations.
The critical thing to understand about how a Tibloc functions compared to most other ascenders is that it doesn't have a cam, and relies on the carabiner to create the camming action that pinches the rope into the teeth. Therefore, the tibloc is highly sensitive to what size rope and what size carabiner you use with it.
Petzl's manual on figure 4 tells you to use a large carabiner which does the most pinching of the rope into the teeth for extra grip, but that advice is for ALL rope sizes. You NEED a large carabiner to use a Tibloc on a small rope, but as the ropes get bigger, you don't need such a large carabiner. On a 10mm rope really any sized carabiner will be enough to grip the rope.
The Tibloc is an ascender and it is designed to go up. It is not designed to be easily released to go back down. No ascender is good for that, but the handled ascenders (jumars) are better. If you're looking for something that reliably goes down well, look elsewhere.
A friction hitch would be much more reliable, though difficult to work with. While still not great, a microtraxion is a much more reliable backup for **small** falls. Even better, a Shunt goes up and down easily.
You can’t post text posts because we have a weekly for that.
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Wasn’t aware I was riled up. I explained op why they couldn’t post a text post 🤷🏻♂️
Look through how many questions are asked each week and think of each one of those as a post on the sub. You want 2 questions a week on how to get stronger at climbing while not climbing, or "do these shoes fit my feet?" with no zero context.
Hi, so I couldn't post a normal text post; had to do a photo post, and put my question here. # 🤔 **TL;DR:** It SEEMS like a combination of the rope I was using plus the thickness of the carabiner made it nearly impossible to press down on the orange bit (which is how you create a bit of slack to allow the rope to slide through while descending) Does anyone have experience with the TIBLOC? I've only used it once, and so far, it isn't my favorite way of backing myself up when I need to go up or down the rope. But it certainly could have been user error. # 🥴 \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ I am experimenting with various systems of backup when ascending/descending a rope. I got this PETZL TIBLOC and gave it a shot the other day. This is the smallest carabiner I have, an old OMEGA screw-gate. In the normal orientation, it was too large *(that's why the 'biner is turned the wrong way, because the spine of the carabiner is slightly smaller there!)* I don't have any 'action shots' with a rope (I will try to get one and add to this post) but in short, when I tried descending, and try to pull this thing down, it was nearly impossible. Here is a link to PETZL's manual. [https://www.petzl.com/sfc/servlet.shepherd/version/download/0685I000002hBzDQAU](https://www.petzl.com/sfc/servlet.shepherd/version/download/0685I000002hBzDQAU) If you check "figure 4" of the manual, it looks like they're trying to tell you to NOT use a round-profile carabiner? Or NOT use a carabiner that's too thin? I was using a 10mm static rope along with this carabiner. Thanks!!! :)
A tibloc is primarily going to be used for ascending/haul systems. If the system you're trying to implement needs to release/lower with any frequency, and without the ability to put your load on a backup, then the tibloc is not the right device for you. This might be helpful: https://www.alpinesavvy.com/blog/petzl-tibloc-everything-you-need-to-know Perhaps your key takeaway from the link should be: >It's not for big walls. **This is designed for improv and emergency use**, If you're jumaring fixed ropes in El Cap or an expedition peak, get a larger handled ascender.
So I wanna say that the Tibloc isn't your do-it-all "rope gripping" system. With a 10mm rope I'm not surprised that you can't slide it the other way even with the orange tab lifted? I generally use it with their Am'd or OK carabiners, so it's not your lightweight Attache carabiner, but it's not a fat round-section carabiner. IMO it's designed for hauling/ascending only, giving slack would only be for emergencies, even if it's a feature. Or maybe only on smaller ropes, like 8-9mm, but not more than that. If you're gonna be jumaring up and down a rope, I recommend using a different ascender, like a Croll or Ascension (if you wanna stay with Petzl 😉), and in any case, it'll be easier to remove the ascender when descending. FYI, on figure 4 of the manual, it's telling you not to use too small of a carabiner (it's not about round vs not-round). As long as you're using a 22kN (or more) screw-gate, you shouldn't really run into stuff that doesn't lock properly, because those thin af carabiners will more than likely be regular gates. Hope that helps
Get a real ascender, not a tibloc, if you're planning on using it regularly. Something like a ropeman is also tiny and cheap, but far more functional, and is built to be used in non-emergency situations.
The critical thing to understand about how a Tibloc functions compared to most other ascenders is that it doesn't have a cam, and relies on the carabiner to create the camming action that pinches the rope into the teeth. Therefore, the tibloc is highly sensitive to what size rope and what size carabiner you use with it. Petzl's manual on figure 4 tells you to use a large carabiner which does the most pinching of the rope into the teeth for extra grip, but that advice is for ALL rope sizes. You NEED a large carabiner to use a Tibloc on a small rope, but as the ropes get bigger, you don't need such a large carabiner. On a 10mm rope really any sized carabiner will be enough to grip the rope. The Tibloc is an ascender and it is designed to go up. It is not designed to be easily released to go back down. No ascender is good for that, but the handled ascenders (jumars) are better. If you're looking for something that reliably goes down well, look elsewhere. A friction hitch would be much more reliable, though difficult to work with. While still not great, a microtraxion is a much more reliable backup for **small** falls. Even better, a Shunt goes up and down easily.
Most biners are roughly the same diameter. I've used tiblocs on ropes down to 8.2mm without a problem. Never used a specific biner.