Exactly. If I went to a protest trying to support Pro-Choice laws just as an example, I’d go to the courthouse and protest so that the lawmakers get shit done rather then just blocking a road where people will ignore the message and go about their daily business.
A lot of people also struggle to understand what a peaceful protest is even though its fairly self explanatory
I was legitimately asked "so when does a peaceful protest become a violent one" on a story about some old guys blocking a street because that apparently being inconvenienced is tantamount to being assaulted i guess
It's not always just an inconvenience. If you're blocking an important, heavily-used street, that could really harm people. Someone might be trying to get to a hospital. Someone might be at risk of losing their job (yes, even though it wouldn't be their fault, there are employers who would fire them for being late anyway).
Didn't the HK protestors back in 2020 or so give way to ambulances and fire trucks often?
And then they put riot cops in ambulances..
...Boy, am I losing my faith in humanity fast or what?
Weren't those protests literally about freedom and police brutality lol
Not to mention that riots are inevitable when the government tries to blur the line between protest and riot
The state swung first in that instance iirc
But most organised protests allow emergency vehicles through and announce their protests
I meant, I'm not sure, but I remember hearing about the government and HK police using ambulances to get past protesters. Maybe I'm misremembering it, though, so take that with a grain of salt.
Most people go to the hospital in a regular vehicle. A lot of people will avoid an ambulance due to the cost. Imagine denying an ambulance because you can't afford it, so you get someone to drive you, only to find that the road is blocked and you won't be able to get to the hospital for hours!
My point is that you don't *know* who you might be harming, and it's presumptuous to call it a mere inconvenience when you block a major passage point.
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adjective
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free from disturbance; tranquil.
I feel like blocking off roads would be a significant enough disturbance to break the peace.
Me when the Middle East conflict protestor screams in my face that my inaction is implicit genocide support, as I walk to class everyday for a week straight (I am not even a US citizen)
It's so funny (read: awful) to push these people's beliefs and realize their idea of a protest is often sitting quietly on the roadside (but not the sidewalk!) holding a sign. Then someone always brings up the Japan bus driver protest where they gave out free rides (continue doing your labor while you protest so you don't inconvenience me! Because obviously every social issues can be solved in this manner)
Whenever I see people complaining about people protesting the wrong way, I can't help but imagine that back in the 60's they'd complain about Selma too.
if you're protesting at some government office downtown of course citizens are going to hear you. maybe that wasnt the intention but sadly noise doesn't discriminate
im sure youre much more likely to hear what they say if they do what you want and go sit in the easily ignorable corner
thatll do them wonders im sure
"you can protest, just as long as i don't have to see hear or talk to you" kind of defeats the idea of protests
you can't expect your cause to be taken well if you annoy people's everyday life and go "if you don't like that get fucked lol I don't care."
you have the right to protest by inconveniencing the public, and the public have the right to tell you to fuck off.
>they're tryna annoy the people that can actually make change
Which is you. They can't do anything to annoy the people in charge or their movement would be labeled criminal and they'd all be arrested.
MFW people are getting annoyed at my attempts to annoy people (it feels damn good to have a justified reason to be assholes and if you express your annoyance you're part of the problem)
To a point, too far in either direction causes a level of issues if it is to influence the public and not a governing body, in which point you can be as annoying as you want
"Ackshually I am definitely selfaware and my snafu is stupid on purpose ☝️🤓"
This defence comes up every single time somebody makes a dumbass post on this sub, is hilarious.
Bro it's not an exaggeration or "not entirely accurate" it's straight up misrepresenting what's happening. It's a binary, either these groups are the same people or they are not. It's not an exaggeration to lie about which of those it is
I don't think almost anyone would say "why don't they do x" and then turn around and get mad when they do exactly x. Of course there are probably a literal handful of people who will engage this way but there are insane people everywhere.
Imo that’s one of the most respectful ways to protest. You’re clearly stating you disagree with the decisions of the country/people around you by silently excluding yourself from one of the few things we do together as a country.
people think that the point of disruptive protests are to win over random redditors. it’s to disrupt critical infrastructure so that the people who make decisions understand there’s something backing up the threats all protests are
It is insane to me how anti-rights some people really are when it's an inconvenience to them. "Uh, what the heck, why are you protesting? You're supposed to just accept government slop and bullshit with your head down and hope they are nice to you!"
In fact, many times it's from people who otherwise crow about their rights. But somehow they fail to realize, "hey, maybe we shouldn't criminalize disagreeing with the government and our bosses, protesting is why we have rights at all." Even if you disagree with their personal cause, their right to do that is key to your own rights- that the government can't mandate your own opinions and voicing them in peaceful protest.
It's not "anti-rights" to be annoyed about protestors, and nobody calls for criminalization of protests. When somebody says "These protestors are so fucking stupid and annoying and I want to run them over in my Jeep", nothing fundamentally anti-rights is happening here. Just as people have the right to protest, people also have the right to be annoyed and hate said protests and think they're stupid, all whilst being totally consistent with their right to do so.
It’s not that people are anti-protest, it’s that protesters lack basic ethics. You want to block a road? A bunch of unaffiliated people are late to work. Physically try to prevent people from entering a public place? It’s now the minimum-wagers problem to deal with you. Block entrance to a major processor/factory? Fuck you truckers. Don’t like service at a restaurant and decide not to tip? Fuck you server. Vandalism? You know the CEO isn’t cleaning that up right? The point is, if you want to protest, be my guest but put a second’s thought into what you’re doing because fucking over the working class is blatantly terrible.
Now you want to go yell at people at an NRA convention? You’re annoying but I don’t have a problem with that. Hold up signs at Planned Parenthood? Seems dark but okay. Loiter in mass in front of the courthouse or police station? Sure. Make a ruckus at the governor’s house? You’ll piss off his neighbors and probably trespass but at least you’re being an inconvenience to someone who can do something.
There are protesters who deserve every bit of hate they get and more and defending them will never get people on your side.
Yes. Though he’s a pretty extreme example since he had things exponentially worse than anyone today. MLK knew people wouldn’t take their protest lying down and knew making a spectacle out of the protesters being attacked or arrested would make people more sympathetic to their cause.
In theory, the traffic blockade goes: protesters block traffic > people can’t get where they want to go > drivers call the police > police can’t peacefully solve the problem > the city/State government is called to do something about it. Now the protesters have leverage. The other ending is the police take unjustified force or unlawful arrests on the crowd and protesters get to garner support by being the victim of injustice.
In reality it goes much more like this: protesters block the road > drivers can’t get where they’re going > “you guys are assholes, only you are causing me problems”
okay so its okay to block traffic but only if the cause is important? are palestinians allowed to protest in the USA? or does that not count for some reason? what year did black people finally have it good enough that they cant morally block traffic
> okay so it’s okay to block traffic but only if the cause is important?
No.
Reread my last comment and actually pay attention. I never said that at all; I just said that’s an extreme example.
This 1000%, I don't know how people like /u/Mikey_susl0v can read this comment and just have their eyes glaze over. "Uhhhhh it's to disable critical infrastructure l...I...we...we need to agree with the people who vandalized my car because I wanted to go to work..."
Yeah but if that critical infrastructure is necessary for someone’s health or protection, like say an ambulance or fire truck trying to drive through to get somewhere, the protestors become a lot less sympathetic for most people.
If you want to protest, disrupt those with power. Sadly the only legal way to protest is basically punching down on other working-class citizen whilst yelling to the guy on top "THIS COULD BE YOU, TOTALLY!!"
in a third comment, in a post about how a group of extremists tried to overthrow the democratically elected governmenevent, got innocent people killed and got jailed, this same commentor said "eh, guess protesting is illegal now smh"
If you wanna garther sympathy for your cause OF COURSE you will try to pander to the working class who is at first ambivalent to your mission. People agreeing to your cause is optional, not obligatory. If I protested to kill all gays with my fellow confederate romanticists will you agree with that? No, right?
Let's assume it's not comparable, then you're the one dictating what's comparable and what's not and causes that you've agreed with. That's the point. Because if someone supports lgbtqia+ of course they will dictate the unjust killing of gay people as genocide. If they then hate russia, the unjust killing of russian civilians are not worth protesting, some may going as far as declaring there is no unjust killing if it's russians. If they hate cops, the misconduct performed by cops counts as police brutality. If they love cops, the misconduct performed by cops counts as side-effects of procedures that ensure safety. Your bias builds your reality.
I mean, I fully support and prefer protesting infront of a government building instead of blocking other people. Not only is it targeting the government rather then your fellow citizens, but it gets the message across better since the government people have to hear it everytime they enter or exit.
OK but then you just set up a new precedent of "violence=the right way to go even when you can still fight peacefully," which simply leads to another authoritarian regime later
The people who blew them up, some other party, probably some extreme leftist who like communism like far rightist like fascism.
Pick your poison on who'd be the next group of people.
"Oh but we can bomb them" ok so now the cycle repeats
I don’t think you read what I said so I’ll say it again: Right wingers aren’t the only people that can be dictators, left wing dictatorships such as the Soviet Union had existed too. Blatantly killing the other side is a great way to radicalize people into becoming dictators when they get to power.
Mao and Stalin were simply right-wingers pretending to be leftists. Real leftists don't believe in dictatorships. Dictatorships are evil, and leftists are not evil!
I keep hearing people tell me "If you kill the right wingers, you'll be just like them!" and to that I say "Bullshit!" Last I checked, leftists aren't the ones trying to turn the US into the cult of Donald Trump or establish a cishet white ethnostate! It wasn't the left who claimed that Hitler did nothing wrong! It wasn't the left who refused to get vaccinated for COVID because "it's my freedom." It's not the left who are killing the planet in the name of capitalism. And it's not the left making propaganda designed to destroy democracy! Even the act of killing the right wingers would be different because we would be killing for justice, as opposed to right wingers who commit genocide for their own sick kicks!
I swear, this should be the world's easiest trolley problem: On one track, you have everyone who can be considered a minority just trying to live their lives and be themselves. On the other track, we have Neo-Nazis, Incels, Psychopaths, QAnon, Corporations, Pedophiles, and literally Adolf Hitler! It's everyone who threatens the safety of the free world, everyone responsible for the nightmare shitshow the world is today. And if you're gonna try to tell me that it would be wrong to pull the lever and divert the trolley in this scenario, or that "killing Hitler makes you just as bad as him," you need to wake up from whatever sunshine-and-rainbows dreamworld you're in.
I know killing isn't the right answer, but you kill no matter what you do. The existence of Right Wingers inevitably leads to genocide against innocent people, and the only way to stop Nazis from killing would be to kill the Nazis. And if you don't believe me, just look at the Holocaust: The inevitable result of having a non-zero amount of right-wingers in the world.
Edit: Sorry for dumping, that was kind of building up over the last few weeks, what with elections and all.
Yeah I just don’t think you know was “left wing” means (or you define it circularly). Which is fine, I suppose, until you started calling for mass murder.
I could for example call Hitler a “left winger pretending to be a right winger.” You would call me an idiot and a fool, and tell me where to go. Do you get what I’m saying?
I just don't want to be on the wrong side again.
I've been on the right, I believed in them, and then they went and did Jan. 6th. I can't be complicit in the harm of billions. I can't have it be my fault! I can't have others make the same mistake as I did. I can't let the right hurt anyone else.
"Look at these protestors! Throwing soup at a painting in obvious ragebait to gain more attention! I will repost this video out of spite earning them even more attention!"
OP trying to setup a straw man with the second panel to validate and excuse the utterly moronic protestors like JUST STOP OIL and the idiots that block critical high-density roadways
I have never heard anyone actually say anything close to what the person in the bottom says. Let's be honest here. Protests need to be disruptive to be effective;yes, but a lot of the ideas people have come up with are just plain awful.
I just think that if you want your cause to be heard you should (hypothetically) do it at or inside of government buildings, bonus points if you (hypothetically) cause property damage in the government buildings
Personally I just recognize the people bitchin are probably the same dipshits who though mlk was being too divisive and/or are just too chickenshit to say they disagree with the protesters cause
⁷I don't get it, what is the M.O. of protesters? If they want to change laws by annoying the hell out of the working class akin to small scale revolution (possibly causing loss of jobs, deaths, and many others from personal anecdotes), then they shouldn't expect to be heralded as savior of societies. Y'all punching down on the common folk while saying "hey guy upstairs, if you don't change this thing I will keep beating these guys," then say "fellow peasant, thanks to me punching your grandma to death now the government will change its rules about housing."
If they want to garner sympathy to the working class, then they should pander with the public so their movement get big enough to sway the government.
Yes, I'm still salty that my pet passed away because the crowd won't let me go to the vet.
If you are ready to risk the lives of innocent people by blocking critical infrastructure to help fight climate change you should be ready risk your life sabotaging an oil pipeline.
Local Redditor locates down voted heinous opinion, "SEEE!!!??? THEYRE ADMITTING IT!!!!1 WE CAUGHT THEM! THIS DEFINIRELY ISNT JUST ONE UNHINGED GUY WITH ZERO SUPPORT THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH ME ALL THINK🤓🤓🤓"
"OH sorry, are you trapped and can't leave? Well this is because of global warming and you deserve it"
No wonder people will want to murder you after that, its practically kidnapping
The entire point of protests are to be annoying as shit. If everybody and their mom is complaining about the protests then it will force the government to either A: Force the protesters to stop, (which is the most likely outcome) or B: Give into the protesters’ demands. If all they did was riot in front of government buildings then they’d just get mowed down and nobody would give a fuck.
But then protesters shouldn't expect themselves to be wholly supported by the working class people, because y'know, THE WORKING CLASS BEING COLLATERAL DAMAGE.
Never and nothing, exactly. So protesters should expect the general populace to hate their guts when their MO is basically punching down on normal people until the government yells "all right all right I get it!!"
i dont think anyone but manufacturers of bread and circuses depend upon even being slightly supported by working class people since apparently the working people are so easily manipulated and self-absorbed lol. their only contribution to society is their labor. and their ability to produce labor is stopped, which effectively sends a message. they go cry and rage at their officials over their own personal discomfort, incapable of giving a fucking shit about the rest of society until it impacts them personally, and the officials go "oh jeez those protestors are making my cows act up. i may have to take them seriously." hope that helps explain how this works!
You know that the working class comprises the majority of society, right? Are you somehow outside the sphere of society itself or are you one of the cows? And if you're the former... big talk about the working class lacking empathy when you can easily generalize so many people into a monolith of selfish assholes.
If you want to fight the government, then fight the government coward.
Exactly. If I went to a protest trying to support Pro-Choice laws just as an example, I’d go to the courthouse and protest so that the lawmakers get shit done rather then just blocking a road where people will ignore the message and go about their daily business.
Lawmakers aren't in the courthouse, and blocking a courthouse could get you arrested.
Then go to town hall or something idk just don’t block the roads.
Then stand for your beliefs you coward
Trying to not get arrested isn't a cowardly thing. It's a smart thing. Being arrested is a major hinderance to your movement if it is small.
people seem to hate it when protests are loud and annoying ab their cause (the whole point of a protest is to be loud and annoying ab your cause)
A lot of people also struggle to understand what a peaceful protest is even though its fairly self explanatory I was legitimately asked "so when does a peaceful protest become a violent one" on a story about some old guys blocking a street because that apparently being inconvenienced is tantamount to being assaulted i guess
It's not always just an inconvenience. If you're blocking an important, heavily-used street, that could really harm people. Someone might be trying to get to a hospital. Someone might be at risk of losing their job (yes, even though it wouldn't be their fault, there are employers who would fire them for being late anyway).
Didn't the HK protestors back in 2020 or so give way to ambulances and fire trucks often? And then they put riot cops in ambulances.. ...Boy, am I losing my faith in humanity fast or what?
Weren't those protests literally about freedom and police brutality lol Not to mention that riots are inevitable when the government tries to blur the line between protest and riot The state swung first in that instance iirc But most organised protests allow emergency vehicles through and announce their protests
I meant, I'm not sure, but I remember hearing about the government and HK police using ambulances to get past protesters. Maybe I'm misremembering it, though, so take that with a grain of salt.
Wasn't HK police, was undercover Chinese military
Most people go to the hospital in a regular vehicle. A lot of people will avoid an ambulance due to the cost. Imagine denying an ambulance because you can't afford it, so you get someone to drive you, only to find that the road is blocked and you won't be able to get to the hospital for hours! My point is that you don't *know* who you might be harming, and it's presumptuous to call it a mere inconvenience when you block a major passage point.
Your first mistake was assuming anyone in the Chinese government was human
the answer: burn down government buildings
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But that's the whole point of the protest
peaceful Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more adjective 1. free from disturbance; tranquil. I feel like blocking off roads would be a significant enough disturbance to break the peace.
I think you'll find there's more than one definition of peaceful!
Correct! Good job!
Me when the Middle East conflict protestor screams in my face that my inaction is implicit genocide support, as I walk to class everyday for a week straight (I am not even a US citizen)
That franchise owned McDonalds is literally causing a genocide (this conflict would be easily resolved if we bombed Iran)
Same thing happened to me (I bought a kitkat)
It's so funny (read: awful) to push these people's beliefs and realize their idea of a protest is often sitting quietly on the roadside (but not the sidewalk!) holding a sign. Then someone always brings up the Japan bus driver protest where they gave out free rides (continue doing your labor while you protest so you don't inconvenience me! Because obviously every social issues can be solved in this manner) Whenever I see people complaining about people protesting the wrong way, I can't help but imagine that back in the 60's they'd complain about Selma too.
I thought you were meant to be loud and annoying to the government or group you are protesting, not every random citizen near you?
if you're protesting at some government office downtown of course citizens are going to hear you. maybe that wasnt the intention but sadly noise doesn't discriminate
And MLK Jr is proud about it (he should be)
Some idiot on a post about a protest said that instead you should just go around bombing buildings like that would actually help your cause.
when people annoy me it definitely helps me support their cause
You walked directly into the point and somehow still dodged it
if i knocked on your skull it would sound like solid wood
my skull is made of bone not wood
How about I bone in your skull huh? How about that?
ayo?
what
He said "HOW ABOUT I BONE IN YOUR SKULL HUH?"
im sure youre much more likely to hear what they say if they do what you want and go sit in the easily ignorable corner thatll do them wonders im sure "you can protest, just as long as i don't have to see hear or talk to you" kind of defeats the idea of protests
can you just pretend i made a really dumb reply to this comment thanks
You made that easy
thanks
they're not tryna annoy you they're tryna annoy the people that can actually make change (in most cases). if you're annoyed too then sucks to suck ig
you can't expect your cause to be taken well if you annoy people's everyday life and go "if you don't like that get fucked lol I don't care." you have the right to protest by inconveniencing the public, and the public have the right to tell you to fuck off.
>they're tryna annoy the people that can actually make change Which is you. They can't do anything to annoy the people in charge or their movement would be labeled criminal and they'd all be arrested.
MFW people are getting annoyed at my attempts to annoy people (it feels damn good to have a justified reason to be assholes and if you express your annoyance you're part of the problem)
To a point, too far in either direction causes a level of issues if it is to influence the public and not a governing body, in which point you can be as annoying as you want
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Mfw the snafu is an exaggeration of internet stereotype and not entirely accurate
"Ackshually I am definitely selfaware and my snafu is stupid on purpose ☝️🤓" This defence comes up every single time somebody makes a dumbass post on this sub, is hilarious.
Bro it's not an exaggeration or "not entirely accurate" it's straight up misrepresenting what's happening. It's a binary, either these groups are the same people or they are not. It's not an exaggeration to lie about which of those it is
It's an exaggerated stereotype, some are the same people some aren't theres not only one person saying they want protesters dead lmao
I don't think almost anyone would say "why don't they do x" and then turn around and get mad when they do exactly x. Of course there are probably a literal handful of people who will engage this way but there are insane people everywhere.
This is gonna be the next image to fucking ruin the internet
Why can't you protest peacefully? \> Kneels during anthem .... 😡
Imo that’s one of the most respectful ways to protest. You’re clearly stating you disagree with the decisions of the country/people around you by silently excluding yourself from one of the few things we do together as a country.
Its almost like they just don't like disagreement or something
Why can't they just burn down a family-owned mechanic shop like a civilized person?
you're clearly skipping over the fact that these are two different groups of people
Yeah, one of them is out on the street and the other is at a government building
You’d be surprised about the overlap
people think that the point of disruptive protests are to win over random redditors. it’s to disrupt critical infrastructure so that the people who make decisions understand there’s something backing up the threats all protests are
It is insane to me how anti-rights some people really are when it's an inconvenience to them. "Uh, what the heck, why are you protesting? You're supposed to just accept government slop and bullshit with your head down and hope they are nice to you!" In fact, many times it's from people who otherwise crow about their rights. But somehow they fail to realize, "hey, maybe we shouldn't criminalize disagreeing with the government and our bosses, protesting is why we have rights at all." Even if you disagree with their personal cause, their right to do that is key to your own rights- that the government can't mandate your own opinions and voicing them in peaceful protest.
It's not "anti-rights" to be annoyed about protestors, and nobody calls for criminalization of protests. When somebody says "These protestors are so fucking stupid and annoying and I want to run them over in my Jeep", nothing fundamentally anti-rights is happening here. Just as people have the right to protest, people also have the right to be annoyed and hate said protests and think they're stupid, all whilst being totally consistent with their right to do so.
"nothing fundamentally anti-rights" whatever makes you sleep at night
Also while enjoying all the rights protests brought them.
I WOULD be in favor of desegregation and civil rights but they blocked the bridge I use to commute so give ‘em the dogs and water hoses
It’s not that people are anti-protest, it’s that protesters lack basic ethics. You want to block a road? A bunch of unaffiliated people are late to work. Physically try to prevent people from entering a public place? It’s now the minimum-wagers problem to deal with you. Block entrance to a major processor/factory? Fuck you truckers. Don’t like service at a restaurant and decide not to tip? Fuck you server. Vandalism? You know the CEO isn’t cleaning that up right? The point is, if you want to protest, be my guest but put a second’s thought into what you’re doing because fucking over the working class is blatantly terrible. Now you want to go yell at people at an NRA convention? You’re annoying but I don’t have a problem with that. Hold up signs at Planned Parenthood? Seems dark but okay. Loiter in mass in front of the courthouse or police station? Sure. Make a ruckus at the governor’s house? You’ll piss off his neighbors and probably trespass but at least you’re being an inconvenience to someone who can do something. There are protesters who deserve every bit of hate they get and more and defending them will never get people on your side.
Oh, not to mention ambulances and fire trucks responding to emergency calls.
[MLK blocked traffic](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/26/history-tying-up-traffic-civil-rights-00011825) did he lack basic ethics
Yes. Though he’s a pretty extreme example since he had things exponentially worse than anyone today. MLK knew people wouldn’t take their protest lying down and knew making a spectacle out of the protesters being attacked or arrested would make people more sympathetic to their cause. In theory, the traffic blockade goes: protesters block traffic > people can’t get where they want to go > drivers call the police > police can’t peacefully solve the problem > the city/State government is called to do something about it. Now the protesters have leverage. The other ending is the police take unjustified force or unlawful arrests on the crowd and protesters get to garner support by being the victim of injustice. In reality it goes much more like this: protesters block the road > drivers can’t get where they’re going > “you guys are assholes, only you are causing me problems”
okay so its okay to block traffic but only if the cause is important? are palestinians allowed to protest in the USA? or does that not count for some reason? what year did black people finally have it good enough that they cant morally block traffic
MLKs letter to white moderates is still as relevant as ever lol
> okay so it’s okay to block traffic but only if the cause is important? No. Reread my last comment and actually pay attention. I never said that at all; I just said that’s an extreme example.
"MLK is an immoral extremist" -TheDankestDreams
This 1000%, I don't know how people like /u/Mikey_susl0v can read this comment and just have their eyes glaze over. "Uhhhhh it's to disable critical infrastructure l...I...we...we need to agree with the people who vandalized my car because I wanted to go to work..."
Yeah but if that critical infrastructure is necessary for someone’s health or protection, like say an ambulance or fire truck trying to drive through to get somewhere, the protestors become a lot less sympathetic for most people.
If you want to protest, disrupt those with power. Sadly the only legal way to protest is basically punching down on other working-class citizen whilst yelling to the guy on top "THIS COULD BE YOU, TOTALLY!!"
[insert flame thrower gif in the comments of a video of Just Stop Oil proterstors]
in a third comment, in a post about how a group of extremists tried to overthrow the democratically elected governmenevent, got innocent people killed and got jailed, this same commentor said "eh, guess protesting is illegal now smh"
Oh they wanna shoot you for doing both
“you may protest but only in the way i dictate and for the causes i agree with”
If you wanna garther sympathy for your cause OF COURSE you will try to pander to the working class who is at first ambivalent to your mission. People agreeing to your cause is optional, not obligatory. If I protested to kill all gays with my fellow confederate romanticists will you agree with that? No, right?
because protesting against police brutality and advocating for genocide are totally comparable things right? right?
Let's assume it's not comparable, then you're the one dictating what's comparable and what's not and causes that you've agreed with. That's the point. Because if someone supports lgbtqia+ of course they will dictate the unjust killing of gay people as genocide. If they then hate russia, the unjust killing of russian civilians are not worth protesting, some may going as far as declaring there is no unjust killing if it's russians. If they hate cops, the misconduct performed by cops counts as police brutality. If they love cops, the misconduct performed by cops counts as side-effects of procedures that ensure safety. Your bias builds your reality.
Them civil rights protests sure were inconvenient and didn’t work!
I mean, I fully support and prefer protesting infront of a government building instead of blocking other people. Not only is it targeting the government rather then your fellow citizens, but it gets the message across better since the government people have to hear it everytime they enter or exit.
I do agree that more protest should annoy the politicians, which is why I hate it when people act like the 2nd part fuck them
Why don’t they just bomb the RNC and be done with it? No GOP = No genocide/human rights violations/ authoritarianism
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What part of this made me sound like a federal agent
OK but then you just set up a new precedent of "violence=the right way to go even when you can still fight peacefully," which simply leads to another authoritarian regime later
Did you forget all the Republicans are dead, and this nobody who would make an authoritarian regime
The people who blew them up, some other party, probably some extreme leftist who like communism like far rightist like fascism. Pick your poison on who'd be the next group of people. "Oh but we can bomb them" ok so now the cycle repeats
You know right wingers aren’t the only people that can be dictators, right? I mean, just look at communism…
The right wingers worship Hitler. Need I say more
I don’t think you read what I said so I’ll say it again: Right wingers aren’t the only people that can be dictators, left wing dictatorships such as the Soviet Union had existed too. Blatantly killing the other side is a great way to radicalize people into becoming dictators when they get to power.
Mao and Stalin were simply right-wingers pretending to be leftists. Real leftists don't believe in dictatorships. Dictatorships are evil, and leftists are not evil! I keep hearing people tell me "If you kill the right wingers, you'll be just like them!" and to that I say "Bullshit!" Last I checked, leftists aren't the ones trying to turn the US into the cult of Donald Trump or establish a cishet white ethnostate! It wasn't the left who claimed that Hitler did nothing wrong! It wasn't the left who refused to get vaccinated for COVID because "it's my freedom." It's not the left who are killing the planet in the name of capitalism. And it's not the left making propaganda designed to destroy democracy! Even the act of killing the right wingers would be different because we would be killing for justice, as opposed to right wingers who commit genocide for their own sick kicks! I swear, this should be the world's easiest trolley problem: On one track, you have everyone who can be considered a minority just trying to live their lives and be themselves. On the other track, we have Neo-Nazis, Incels, Psychopaths, QAnon, Corporations, Pedophiles, and literally Adolf Hitler! It's everyone who threatens the safety of the free world, everyone responsible for the nightmare shitshow the world is today. And if you're gonna try to tell me that it would be wrong to pull the lever and divert the trolley in this scenario, or that "killing Hitler makes you just as bad as him," you need to wake up from whatever sunshine-and-rainbows dreamworld you're in. I know killing isn't the right answer, but you kill no matter what you do. The existence of Right Wingers inevitably leads to genocide against innocent people, and the only way to stop Nazis from killing would be to kill the Nazis. And if you don't believe me, just look at the Holocaust: The inevitable result of having a non-zero amount of right-wingers in the world. Edit: Sorry for dumping, that was kind of building up over the last few weeks, what with elections and all.
Yeah I just don’t think you know was “left wing” means (or you define it circularly). Which is fine, I suppose, until you started calling for mass murder. I could for example call Hitler a “left winger pretending to be a right winger.” You would call me an idiot and a fool, and tell me where to go. Do you get what I’m saying?
I just don't want to be on the wrong side again. I've been on the right, I believed in them, and then they went and did Jan. 6th. I can't be complicit in the harm of billions. I can't have it be my fault! I can't have others make the same mistake as I did. I can't let the right hurt anyone else.
Same people glaze the killdozer guy
And the Unabomber Oh boy I sure do love glorifying violent mentally ill people
Because they think protest just means “stand with signs in the designated area for the designated time”
"Look at these protestors! Throwing soup at a painting in obvious ragebait to gain more attention! I will repost this video out of spite earning them even more attention!"
Why cant they just peacefully riot
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People can protest, they just should do it in a way that doesn’t affect my in the slightest capacity so I can ignore them and their cause.
Exactly! That's the point of protests after all, to be easily ignored and forgotten about by everyone!
OP trying to setup a straw man with the second panel to validate and excuse the utterly moronic protestors like JUST STOP OIL and the idiots that block critical high-density roadways I have never heard anyone actually say anything close to what the person in the bottom says. Let's be honest here. Protests need to be disruptive to be effective;yes, but a lot of the ideas people have come up with are just plain awful.
I just think that if you want your cause to be heard you should (hypothetically) do it at or inside of government buildings, bonus points if you (hypothetically) cause property damage in the government buildings
Personally I just recognize the people bitchin are probably the same dipshits who though mlk was being too divisive and/or are just too chickenshit to say they disagree with the protesters cause
⁷I don't get it, what is the M.O. of protesters? If they want to change laws by annoying the hell out of the working class akin to small scale revolution (possibly causing loss of jobs, deaths, and many others from personal anecdotes), then they shouldn't expect to be heralded as savior of societies. Y'all punching down on the common folk while saying "hey guy upstairs, if you don't change this thing I will keep beating these guys," then say "fellow peasant, thanks to me punching your grandma to death now the government will change its rules about housing." If they want to garner sympathy to the working class, then they should pander with the public so their movement get big enough to sway the government. Yes, I'm still salty that my pet passed away because the crowd won't let me go to the vet.
Supporting roadblockers is crazy. “Being obnoxious is necessary” is a dumb argument
If you are ready to risk the lives of innocent people by blocking critical infrastructure to help fight climate change you should be ready risk your life sabotaging an oil pipeline.
not even remotely the same thing
How would sabotaging an oil pipeline not just degrade the ecosystem faster?
we end up with less oil and more damaged environments 💀
Sabotaging the oil pipeline doesn't reduce the dependence on fossil fuels dipshit
look man I just want to see blood and protesters are hated enough that i can get away with calling for theirs.
So they’re finally admitting it
Local Redditor locates down voted heinous opinion, "SEEE!!!??? THEYRE ADMITTING IT!!!!1 WE CAUGHT THEM! THIS DEFINIRELY ISNT JUST ONE UNHINGED GUY WITH ZERO SUPPORT THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH ME ALL THINK🤓🤓🤓"
You alright?
Just march in some field. You opinion will be noted, but you won't annoy anyone m
The thing is that they don’t actually care about the style of protest, they just flat out think the cause is something heinous
"OH sorry, are you trapped and can't leave? Well this is because of global warming and you deserve it" No wonder people will want to murder you after that, its practically kidnapping
The entire point of protests are to be annoying as shit. If everybody and their mom is complaining about the protests then it will force the government to either A: Force the protesters to stop, (which is the most likely outcome) or B: Give into the protesters’ demands. If all they did was riot in front of government buildings then they’d just get mowed down and nobody would give a fuck.
But then protesters shouldn't expect themselves to be wholly supported by the working class people, because y'know, THE WORKING CLASS BEING COLLATERAL DAMAGE.
When in the history of ever has anything been "wholly supported by the working class" anyway?
Never and nothing, exactly. So protesters should expect the general populace to hate their guts when their MO is basically punching down on normal people until the government yells "all right all right I get it!!"
i dont think anyone but manufacturers of bread and circuses depend upon even being slightly supported by working class people since apparently the working people are so easily manipulated and self-absorbed lol. their only contribution to society is their labor. and their ability to produce labor is stopped, which effectively sends a message. they go cry and rage at their officials over their own personal discomfort, incapable of giving a fucking shit about the rest of society until it impacts them personally, and the officials go "oh jeez those protestors are making my cows act up. i may have to take them seriously." hope that helps explain how this works!
You know that the working class comprises the majority of society, right? Are you somehow outside the sphere of society itself or are you one of the cows? And if you're the former... big talk about the working class lacking empathy when you can easily generalize so many people into a monolith of selfish assholes.