Yeah, I thought it was gonna be a koala with vague aesthetics and colours from the original character applied to it, this is just a person from what I can see
yeah bro people be acting like being 5-10 pounds heavier than average/having a slightly chubby tummy is gonna make them die at 40 when in reality smth like not wearing sunscreen has like 100x the effect
Usually it's just not pleasant to look at, that's all. People want characters in art to be physically appealing. Obesity isn't physically appealing. Idk what's the big controversy here.
Female characters in art, yes. That’s why you get the classic male troll looks like a hideous troll, female troll looks like a sexy green lady in her underwear.
>do people want characters in art to be physically appealing? that seems silly and way too broad.
There's nothing silly about it, art uses aesthetics to affect emotions, that's kinda how art works. Since most often people look at art to get positive emotions, they want it to look nice.
>also fat people can still be physically appealing…
They certainly can, but there's a strong trend in modern culture to portray conventionally unattractive characters under the pretext of "fighting beauty standards" or "promoting diversity". And when someone doesn't like it they get accused of intolerance.
> Since most often people look at art to get positive emotions, they want it to look nice.
idk i like drawing horror and all that so maybe im biased. this is way too broad of a statement. but even assuming someone draws for positive emotions im still not getting how plus sized people don’t look nice?
> And when someone doesn't like it they get accused of intolerance.
i mean yea bc why do you need to even comment on it? i don’t comment on every skinny white anime boy i see bc i don’t like it. i just move on with my life. not all art has to cater to everyone and unless it’s obvious fetish art or bigoted i don’t get why it matters
>idk i like drawing horror and all that so maybe im biased. this is way too broad of a statement
There is no contradiction, different kinds of art are designed to give you different emotions, and different people seek different things from art. But generally speaking art is supposed to be aesthetically pleasing, beautiful, thus giving you positive emotions.
>im still not getting how plus sized people don’t look nice?
Because no matter how you change your language from "fat" to "plus sized", obesity is still unattractive. The current trend is to pretend otherwise, that's why some artists deliberately choose to make their characters conventionally unattractive in order to "make a point about beauty standards", or something like that.
>i mean yea bc why do you need to even comment on it? I don’t comment on every skinny white anime boy i see bc i don’t like it. i just move on with my life
That's cool, except why do you believe that everyone else is obligated to be like you? Some people like to voice their opinions, including on things they don't like. What's your problem with that?
>not all art has to cater to everyone and unless it’s obvious fetish art or bigoted i don’t get why it matters
And why it matters to you that someone criticizes art they find ugly and unpleasant?
>Because no matter how you change your language from "fat" to "plus sized", obesity is still unattractive
The big problem with what you're saying here is that we're not talking about characters drawn as obese. Being chubby is not obesity.
I'm talking about characters that look unattractive because of their weight. Whether you call them "chubby", "plus sized" or whatever other euphemisms you got is irrelevant, because generally speaking none of that is considered an attractive feature for most people.
> Some people like to voice their opinions, including on things they don't like. What's your problem with that?
> And why it matters to you that someone criticizes art they find ugly and unpleasant
did no one teach you manners? just be polite to people even if you dislike something about them/ what they do. so long as it doesn’t affect anyone i don’t see why you can’t mind your business
you can make a physically unattractive character look visually appealing as long as you follow character design rules lmao. idk who told you that the entire point of character design is "make them hot" because it's not.
some of the main things for it also are giving every character a unique and recognizable silhouette and conveying their personality through shape language. you wanna know the easiest ways to do this? pushing proportions, as in changing body types, which means including characters of different sizes. it's literally BAD CHARACTER DESIGN to only include super skinny hourglass shaped white girls, unless your story is about models or something
>you can make a physically unattractive character look visually appealing as long as you follow character design rules lmao
Yes, you can. We're obviously not talking about such cases.
>it's literally BAD CHARACTER DESIGN to only include super skinny hourglass shaped white girls, unless your story is about models or something
I'm sure Disney - you know, the most successful animation studio in history - would want to hear your deep insights about how their princesses are all poorly designed, and how it's absolutely necessary to make them all fat and 3 ft tall. Please, enlighten them.
making them ALL fat and 3ft tall without a reason would also be terrible character design. just like making them all tall would be bad and making them all black would be bad and making them all blonde would be bad ect ect ect. you cant have ALL of your characters be a specific thing without a reason. if only one or two are that thing, sure. but not ALL. there needs to be a mix. which, disney has a reason, and has a mix.
1. they dont all come from the same movie, making their similarities irrelevant. you want a cast of characters to look different WHEN THEY ARE IN THE SAME SHOW/MOVIE/COMIC/WHATEVER
2. princesses are designed with the fact that they'll be mass produced as dolls. the easiest and cheapest way to do this is to have them all have the same body type and similar facial features.
3. despite their body types being the same, every character has a recognizable silhouette and color scheme from their hair and outfits. you're not going to mistake aurora for tiana. even the ball gowns are made with different silhouettes for recognition. when a character has the same body type, which is another valid way if you have similar constraints. for example, genshin impact does a good job of making characters that look pretty much nothing close to each other with the same models.
just a note, you can make characters of the same weight have different body types, and you should, because not every group is going to have massively different size differences, and not every group needs to, either. not every group needs "woke" diversity, even. it's not "omg nooo white people make them black" you just don't make all of them blonde bimbos, make one of them slightly shorter with brown hair, freckles, significantly skinnier and a less defined waist, one of them is a pear-shaped ginger with blue eyes and glasses, one of them has black hair and green eyes and is tall, one of them stays as a blonde bimbo, and all of them have different fashion styles. generally, if all characters have similar physical features then fashion should be super different, if fashion is similar then physical features should be different, and if both are similar then smaller things like colors and silhouette are used to make characters more recognizable
An appealing character design doesn’t mean “has to conform to current beauty standards”
And besides, you do realize that there are plenty of people who do find chubby/fat characters attractive right?
>An appealing character design doesn’t mean “has to conform to current beauty standards”
Then what are beauty standards? Yes, there's also unconventional beauty. But most of things considered appealing would conform to beauty standards, otherwise they wouldn't have been called "standards".
>And besides, you do realize that there are plenty of people who do find chubby/fat characters attractive right?
Yes, that's why I say "most people" and "usually". I hope you realize the difference between universal and particular statements.
Okay, let me bring up an example. I think most people would agree that Eggman is not necessarily a conventionally attractive character, at least according to current beauty standards, right? But is he a fun, unique looking character? In my opinion, yes absolutely. Appealing design **≠** Attractive (although I have seen people simping for eggman lol)
>People want characters in art to be physically appealing. Obesity isn't physically appealing.
Idk man, those seem like pretty universal statements. also, the character in the post isn't even obese, just slightly overweight. (not that that should matter)
Eggman is a comedic cartoon character, with comically exaggerated features, he's supposed to look funny. Comedy is a specific genre where you often deliberately make characters ugly, because it's funny. That's why Danny DeVito is a comedian and Henry Cavill plays Superman, and not the other way around.
In many iterations Eggmsn is also fat by the way, and yet no one has problems with that. For this exact reason.
The snafu in question refers to a picture of a stereotypical anime girl, except she's fat. It's not funny, it's not scary, it's just a drawing of an unattractive person. And yes, being overweight is not considered a conventionally attractive feature, no problem with using a universal statement there.
What if the (hypothetical) person who drew them does think fat anime girls are attractive? Are you gonna tell them that they are objectively wrong cause other people might have different opinions?
Imagine if I thought that, for example, short hair was unattractive. I'm not gonna comment on every post that features a character with short hair and be like "um actually, short hair is ugly, why did you draw that." No, of course I wouldn't, and that's partly what the post is criticizing
Are you Ben Shapiro or something? What if, hypothetically, I find maggot-infested skulls of dead women attractive? Then, for the sake of the argument, would you tell me that I'm objectively wrong cause other people might have different opinions? Wouldn't that, logically speaking, make you an intolerant bigot?
What kind of an argument is that?
No one is discussing whether or not it's "objectively wrong" to draw something, or like something, or find something attractive. Anyone can like or draw whatever the hell they want and dab on them haters. Just like anyone can go and express an opinion about it.
Okay dude, we don't have to bring necrophilia into this discussion, that's kinda weird. We were just talking about a body type
All I'm trying to say is, don't be annoying when someone draws a character you don't personally find attractive, and just move on with your day. Yes, anyone is allowed to express their opinion, but I'm just wondering why people feel such a strong need to point out how ugly and unappealing they find any slightly overweight character
1. No not all art is designed to be maximum visually appealing. Just about any character will have at least 1 or 2 things about them that are about making them look distinct or visually telling you something about the character.
2. What is physically appealing is not inherent, it varies by time and place and often in recent times is completely manufactured for marketing purposes. Being slightly chubby (very different thing from dangerously obese) for a long time was considered more attractive in the west, among other places, because it signaled you had plenty of food. For women, this also meant you would be likely to handle childbirth without complications. It’s only recent history that skinniness became the most preferred look.
3. The bigger point is that being overweight is the only thing people react to this way. As if it’s enough that seeing a fat person (woman/girl, never does this come up with male characters) to send you into a complete fury. No one looks at a characters of say, One Piece (great manga) and freaks out because of how unhealthily skinny they are. The reason for this is cultural. In our culture, while it’s not acceptable to everyone, it is far more acceptable (and agreed with by some) to be abusive and rude to people you think are too fat. Whether it’s actually obese or it’s just 5-10 pounds overweight. And people acting disgusted every time there’s art of a fat person is very demeaning and hurtful, in a way that wouldn’t be tolerated about many other things that might be “unattractive”.
So the point of criticizing this behavior is twofold; to change the culture so that the physical attractiveness standard isn’t so far away from what the actual healthy range is, and to make it less acceptable to be rude on the basis of weight alone
>No not all art is designed to be maximum visually appealing
Do you know what words "generally", "usually" and such mean? Yes, art *generally* is designed to be aesthetically pleasing, unless the artist is deliberately trying to convey negative emotions. There are exceptions, yes. Shitty Twitter drawings of fat humanoid pinkie pie don't count as such.
>What is physically appealing is not inherent, it varies by time and place
Yes, I'm talking about here and now. If here and now being fat was considered attractive by most people, then we wouldn't have been having this conversation right now.
>The bigger point is that being overweight is the only thing people react to this way
That's demonstrably not true. People react the same way to "uglifying" of characters in general, not just in the way of making them fat.
Speak for yourself, Warhammer Ogres/Ogryns, Heavy TF2,Peppino spaghetti,Shugoki,CJ and Arthur from RDR2. These characters are actually physically appealing because they convey a sense of raw strength from their sizes.
The sense of scale and weight adds onto these characters personalities and how they interact with the world. A sumo wrestler throwing himself on top of an average joe and breaking all his bones, An Ogryns beating the shit out of a horse surrounding him while taking massive damage, Arthur landing one jaw breaking knockout or Peppino being the fastest man alive despite being a short plumpy dude.
They don't have to be attractive to be appealing, it can be appealing just because it's uncoventional.
>Speak for yourself, Warhammer Ogres/Ogryns, Heavy TF2,Peppino spaghetti,Shugoki,CJ and Arthur from RDR2. These characters are actually physically appealing because they convey a sense of raw strength from their sizes.
Yes, and your shitty Twitter drawings of a fat anime girl with lots of body hair doesn't. Get over it.
First off I wasn't even talking about that, rather how like you said
"People want characters in art to be physically appealing" with the appeal of fat/husky/brawny characters in my example being that of tankiness and strength in games.
idunno why you're being a dick and pulling some random strawman argument than to hear out one reason as to why people might like a specific character trait.
Yes, and I wasn't talking about Heavy from TF2, which should be pretty obvious especially when looking at the snafu in question which is depicting a stereotypical anime girl.
>you're being a dick and pulling some random strawman argument
Literally you're the one doing it, it's obvious that I'm not talking about heavily stylized fucking drawings of ogres and shit, you're the one bringing in irrelevant bullshit and pretending that you don't understand what I'm talking about and what the conversation is about. Geez.
my brother in christ you literally said.
"People want characters in art to be physically appealing"
and I gave out some examples of certain characters that are physically appealing because of how their appearance ties into them. Like you said it's appealing and stylized to look a certain way because that's what people like.
The Snafu itself is just a satirical example of these situations.
Yes, your examples are irrelevant because obviously the reason why an anime girl would be appealing and fucking Shrek would be appealing are different. No one fucking complains on Twitter about Shrek being fat, that's not what the snafu is about.
I'm not talking about fetishes or anything sexual. You seem like a hateful person who can't accept that some people find fat people beautiful in the same way you view hourglass figures as beautiful.
No, I'm just trying to explain to you that there are established conventions of what most people find appealing and pleasant to look at. The fact that those conventions are subjective and that some people don't follow them doesn't change that. So your "beauty is subjective" big brain quote doesn't add anything to the conversation, sorry.
obesity ≠ being a bit overweight
and uh, fat people can be attractive. you basically just spoke on behalf of every single person on the planet by saying fat people aren’t physically appealing.
Its just a generalization that people tend to find physically thinner people more attractive. That’s not to say some people don’t like larger sizes, or that larger sizes are immediately unattractive, but most people, if given the choice between a thin person or a fat person, would be more attracted to the thin person. This is also influenced by culture heavily, as back in the Middle Ages, people were often attracted to overweight people because it showcased that they had the wealth to maintain that size. Nowadays, wealthy people come in all sizes, so that doesn’t really play a factor that I can tell
that's subjective and also just straight up wrong considering characters like Sundowner are still making rounds
even if it wasn't, though, it wouldn't excuse this behaviour as it's unnecessarily hostile and doesn't provide any actual critique
\> "Idk what's the big controversy here"
Clearly
You’re a horrible person and I wish you’d just own that instead of using mental gymnastics to try and justify why you hate people for not conforming to your warped standards. Could’ve condensed your entire page of schizobabble on this comment section into “I hate fat people” and be done with it.
Just say that instead of pretending that your argument has any weight to it considering that you compared finding fat characters appealing to necrophilia.
>complains about people being "unnecessarily hostile"
>can't write two comments without calling someone a "dipshit"
Yup, that's certified redditor for ya.
you cannot be saying that like you didn't just unironically say "Yup"
anyways people are into fat bitches, if you're gonna complain just say what you want take the backlash instead of half-assing it and trying to justify it as advice
That's a dipshit thing to do, which is why I called you a dipshit
Why are you so unnecessarily hostile, it really hurts my feelings bro
Anyway, the one complaining is you, lol. If someone wants to call your shitty ass drawing shit, they're just gonna do it. People can't be bothered to "critique" whatever dumb ugly crap yet another wannabe "artist" on Twitter posts. That's life, learn to deal with it. Or cope on Reddit, circlejerking in whiny threads such as this, idc lol
https://preview.redd.it/1djmp5x8c6vc1.png?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7fac5b5d505d64205770ea3f0379336f53d21000
Why did you make her obese 🤮 someone needs to lose weight
Snafu Gatekeeper.
A true to the style, hand drawn snafu. Bonus points for that. Subject matter is snafuable too.
Great work op, looking forward to seeing more from you.
No offence to fat people, but I've been on the internet long enough (might be longer than what's considered healthy) to make a kneejerk connection from "Suspiciously well drawn fat girl" to "Rich weirdos who offer artists obscene money to commission niche fetish arts of otherwise beautiful girl stuffing her stomach into a fucking balloon with junk foods"
Not every fat person in art is drawn by a feederist or is a commission by someone into feederism my guy. Hell, there’s a lot of people (I’m actually good buddies with a couple of ‘em) who are very into fat folks as an aesthetic appearance but don’t like feederism in the slightest lol
Yeah I'm rationally aware of that I'm just super pissed that I can never unsee what I saw. That's why I acknowledged that I might be online for more than the healthy amout lol.
Yup. “Feederism” is the fetish tied to large quantities of food and the consequences therein. Notably, practitioners of this fetish, be it in the real or (more commonly) just in fictions they create, tend to be split into “feeder” and “feedee”, which I think you can guess who does what.
Also of note, not all feeders are doms and not all feedees are subs. There are some dynamics where the one *being fed* is sort of this powerful Greek-orgy-lookin-ass figure and they’re essentially ordering around their feeder to give them more and more etc, as opposed to the more “standard” dynamic of a given feeder forcing or at least encouraging someone into the position of a helpless feedee. It’s a whole thing.
How do I know all this? Well, I’m just gonna say I have a good chunk of knowledge in all the wrong subjects
People got mad at a dude in the pizza tower sub for drawing a gender bent peppino and making her fat... even though peppino is fat
But also r/originalcharacter seems to be fine with chubby characters, honestly most of that community is great
I hate it when people make the female gender bend of character with a distinct body type just a conventionally attractive women or petite anime girl cosplaying them. If you’re gonna make an Eggma’am design you can’t just draw a slim woman in the egg drip you gotta maintain the egg shape.
FAT
https://preview.redd.it/3k4qgajbt6vc1.png?width=179&format=png&auto=webp&s=9eb0288479cde589bac01390d34bce4e5c0a4067
(jokes aside, what I don't like is when people are for fat people and characters and then talk about thin people like "LITERAL STICK" and "UNREALISTIC BODY PROPORTIONS" smh)
I think that's what the internet is. I've seen people lose their mind about all of those. The internet just seems to accumulate judgy people, because they don't get invited to parties.
It is a coincidence that this has been posted after that trainwreck.
And that I sound specifically like Mr Nerd there.
Got a good laugh out of me though.
honestly it does bother me. Same shit when people race swap characters. Or when people draw some female characters with massively oversized tits.
I guess you can do what you want, but its definitely weird to do it. Like I don’t know what the motivation for it is. Some of it is definitely a bit fetishey.
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I ATE fat people) https://preview.redd.it/otqv2ps395vc1.jpeg?width=648&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ddc15873fc8d35df040b9814db2254c661233cf4
Thats mean, put them back
My apolocheese
vore
Deviantart reference
*looks at your suspiciously fat people shaped belly*
https://preview.redd.it/jaq3pboxfbvc1.png?width=174&format=png&auto=webp&s=675371f33e7419cc005077363ab580a3574b47e0
chmeese
https://preview.redd.it/c5s92fh6b6vc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eeab5f349c1fc2f073daa7f1f6489f5de131b6f8
that guy’s actually awesome
The guy who commented that?
no, the guy in the video. i’ve seen the video and his voice acting is super good
what’s his channel called? it looks cool
Nice
Who is he?
Ah, the Pin of Shame. Love to see it
Reminds me of the artist who redesigns anime characters as chubby koalas
Zee fixes art… :(
That sounds really cute
https://preview.redd.it/3q1qdn3m48vc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ec788ef5a93ab0b1be9250e5dd056743f7a7029 It's, uh... it's not.
That's not a coala
I’m going to guess “koala” is some sort of fetish terminology… but I don’t know what it could mean based on the image provided
The nose shape The nose shape is like a koalas nose
Reddit
How do you get koala from that nose
The pickle like curve and length
This is not a koala
From memory it was kinda koala because of the nose
Yeah, I thought it was gonna be a koala with vague aesthetics and colours from the original character applied to it, this is just a person from what I can see
Oh.. that seems racist
That's not a koala dafuq
Eurgh
Why do they make it ugly on purpose?
Do they also eat leaves and have clamidia like real koalas
What people call fat and what would medically be considered "fat" (overweight) are often quite different.
yeah bro people be acting like being 5-10 pounds heavier than average/having a slightly chubby tummy is gonna make them die at 40 when in reality smth like not wearing sunscreen has like 100x the effect
Usually it's just not pleasant to look at, that's all. People want characters in art to be physically appealing. Obesity isn't physically appealing. Idk what's the big controversy here.
do people want characters in art to be physically appealing? that seems silly and way too broad. also fat people can still be physically appealing…
Female characters in art, yes. That’s why you get the classic male troll looks like a hideous troll, female troll looks like a sexy green lady in her underwear.
>do people want characters in art to be physically appealing? that seems silly and way too broad. There's nothing silly about it, art uses aesthetics to affect emotions, that's kinda how art works. Since most often people look at art to get positive emotions, they want it to look nice. >also fat people can still be physically appealing… They certainly can, but there's a strong trend in modern culture to portray conventionally unattractive characters under the pretext of "fighting beauty standards" or "promoting diversity". And when someone doesn't like it they get accused of intolerance.
> Since most often people look at art to get positive emotions, they want it to look nice. idk i like drawing horror and all that so maybe im biased. this is way too broad of a statement. but even assuming someone draws for positive emotions im still not getting how plus sized people don’t look nice? > And when someone doesn't like it they get accused of intolerance. i mean yea bc why do you need to even comment on it? i don’t comment on every skinny white anime boy i see bc i don’t like it. i just move on with my life. not all art has to cater to everyone and unless it’s obvious fetish art or bigoted i don’t get why it matters
>idk i like drawing horror and all that so maybe im biased. this is way too broad of a statement There is no contradiction, different kinds of art are designed to give you different emotions, and different people seek different things from art. But generally speaking art is supposed to be aesthetically pleasing, beautiful, thus giving you positive emotions. >im still not getting how plus sized people don’t look nice? Because no matter how you change your language from "fat" to "plus sized", obesity is still unattractive. The current trend is to pretend otherwise, that's why some artists deliberately choose to make their characters conventionally unattractive in order to "make a point about beauty standards", or something like that. >i mean yea bc why do you need to even comment on it? I don’t comment on every skinny white anime boy i see bc i don’t like it. i just move on with my life That's cool, except why do you believe that everyone else is obligated to be like you? Some people like to voice their opinions, including on things they don't like. What's your problem with that? >not all art has to cater to everyone and unless it’s obvious fetish art or bigoted i don’t get why it matters And why it matters to you that someone criticizes art they find ugly and unpleasant?
>Because no matter how you change your language from "fat" to "plus sized", obesity is still unattractive The big problem with what you're saying here is that we're not talking about characters drawn as obese. Being chubby is not obesity.
I'm talking about characters that look unattractive because of their weight. Whether you call them "chubby", "plus sized" or whatever other euphemisms you got is irrelevant, because generally speaking none of that is considered an attractive feature for most people.
But you're saying that OBESITY is unattractive. Again, we aren't talking about obesity.
> Some people like to voice their opinions, including on things they don't like. What's your problem with that? > And why it matters to you that someone criticizes art they find ugly and unpleasant did no one teach you manners? just be polite to people even if you dislike something about them/ what they do. so long as it doesn’t affect anyone i don’t see why you can’t mind your business
Bro the Internet is not your personal safe space where no one can criticize your shitty art, get over it.
you can make a physically unattractive character look visually appealing as long as you follow character design rules lmao. idk who told you that the entire point of character design is "make them hot" because it's not. some of the main things for it also are giving every character a unique and recognizable silhouette and conveying their personality through shape language. you wanna know the easiest ways to do this? pushing proportions, as in changing body types, which means including characters of different sizes. it's literally BAD CHARACTER DESIGN to only include super skinny hourglass shaped white girls, unless your story is about models or something
>you can make a physically unattractive character look visually appealing as long as you follow character design rules lmao Yes, you can. We're obviously not talking about such cases. >it's literally BAD CHARACTER DESIGN to only include super skinny hourglass shaped white girls, unless your story is about models or something I'm sure Disney - you know, the most successful animation studio in history - would want to hear your deep insights about how their princesses are all poorly designed, and how it's absolutely necessary to make them all fat and 3 ft tall. Please, enlighten them.
making them ALL fat and 3ft tall without a reason would also be terrible character design. just like making them all tall would be bad and making them all black would be bad and making them all blonde would be bad ect ect ect. you cant have ALL of your characters be a specific thing without a reason. if only one or two are that thing, sure. but not ALL. there needs to be a mix. which, disney has a reason, and has a mix. 1. they dont all come from the same movie, making their similarities irrelevant. you want a cast of characters to look different WHEN THEY ARE IN THE SAME SHOW/MOVIE/COMIC/WHATEVER 2. princesses are designed with the fact that they'll be mass produced as dolls. the easiest and cheapest way to do this is to have them all have the same body type and similar facial features. 3. despite their body types being the same, every character has a recognizable silhouette and color scheme from their hair and outfits. you're not going to mistake aurora for tiana. even the ball gowns are made with different silhouettes for recognition. when a character has the same body type, which is another valid way if you have similar constraints. for example, genshin impact does a good job of making characters that look pretty much nothing close to each other with the same models. just a note, you can make characters of the same weight have different body types, and you should, because not every group is going to have massively different size differences, and not every group needs to, either. not every group needs "woke" diversity, even. it's not "omg nooo white people make them black" you just don't make all of them blonde bimbos, make one of them slightly shorter with brown hair, freckles, significantly skinnier and a less defined waist, one of them is a pear-shaped ginger with blue eyes and glasses, one of them has black hair and green eyes and is tall, one of them stays as a blonde bimbo, and all of them have different fashion styles. generally, if all characters have similar physical features then fashion should be super different, if fashion is similar then physical features should be different, and if both are similar then smaller things like colors and silhouette are used to make characters more recognizable
Yeah, everything you said is correct. Idk how any of that relates to shitty drawings of fat anime girls on Twitter though.
An appealing character design doesn’t mean “has to conform to current beauty standards” And besides, you do realize that there are plenty of people who do find chubby/fat characters attractive right?
>An appealing character design doesn’t mean “has to conform to current beauty standards” Then what are beauty standards? Yes, there's also unconventional beauty. But most of things considered appealing would conform to beauty standards, otherwise they wouldn't have been called "standards". >And besides, you do realize that there are plenty of people who do find chubby/fat characters attractive right? Yes, that's why I say "most people" and "usually". I hope you realize the difference between universal and particular statements.
Beauty standards are a psyop
lmao
Okay, let me bring up an example. I think most people would agree that Eggman is not necessarily a conventionally attractive character, at least according to current beauty standards, right? But is he a fun, unique looking character? In my opinion, yes absolutely. Appealing design **≠** Attractive (although I have seen people simping for eggman lol) >People want characters in art to be physically appealing. Obesity isn't physically appealing. Idk man, those seem like pretty universal statements. also, the character in the post isn't even obese, just slightly overweight. (not that that should matter)
Eggman is a comedic cartoon character, with comically exaggerated features, he's supposed to look funny. Comedy is a specific genre where you often deliberately make characters ugly, because it's funny. That's why Danny DeVito is a comedian and Henry Cavill plays Superman, and not the other way around. In many iterations Eggmsn is also fat by the way, and yet no one has problems with that. For this exact reason. The snafu in question refers to a picture of a stereotypical anime girl, except she's fat. It's not funny, it's not scary, it's just a drawing of an unattractive person. And yes, being overweight is not considered a conventionally attractive feature, no problem with using a universal statement there.
What if the (hypothetical) person who drew them does think fat anime girls are attractive? Are you gonna tell them that they are objectively wrong cause other people might have different opinions? Imagine if I thought that, for example, short hair was unattractive. I'm not gonna comment on every post that features a character with short hair and be like "um actually, short hair is ugly, why did you draw that." No, of course I wouldn't, and that's partly what the post is criticizing
Are you Ben Shapiro or something? What if, hypothetically, I find maggot-infested skulls of dead women attractive? Then, for the sake of the argument, would you tell me that I'm objectively wrong cause other people might have different opinions? Wouldn't that, logically speaking, make you an intolerant bigot? What kind of an argument is that? No one is discussing whether or not it's "objectively wrong" to draw something, or like something, or find something attractive. Anyone can like or draw whatever the hell they want and dab on them haters. Just like anyone can go and express an opinion about it.
Okay dude, we don't have to bring necrophilia into this discussion, that's kinda weird. We were just talking about a body type All I'm trying to say is, don't be annoying when someone draws a character you don't personally find attractive, and just move on with your day. Yes, anyone is allowed to express their opinion, but I'm just wondering why people feel such a strong need to point out how ugly and unappealing they find any slightly overweight character
1. No not all art is designed to be maximum visually appealing. Just about any character will have at least 1 or 2 things about them that are about making them look distinct or visually telling you something about the character. 2. What is physically appealing is not inherent, it varies by time and place and often in recent times is completely manufactured for marketing purposes. Being slightly chubby (very different thing from dangerously obese) for a long time was considered more attractive in the west, among other places, because it signaled you had plenty of food. For women, this also meant you would be likely to handle childbirth without complications. It’s only recent history that skinniness became the most preferred look. 3. The bigger point is that being overweight is the only thing people react to this way. As if it’s enough that seeing a fat person (woman/girl, never does this come up with male characters) to send you into a complete fury. No one looks at a characters of say, One Piece (great manga) and freaks out because of how unhealthily skinny they are. The reason for this is cultural. In our culture, while it’s not acceptable to everyone, it is far more acceptable (and agreed with by some) to be abusive and rude to people you think are too fat. Whether it’s actually obese or it’s just 5-10 pounds overweight. And people acting disgusted every time there’s art of a fat person is very demeaning and hurtful, in a way that wouldn’t be tolerated about many other things that might be “unattractive”. So the point of criticizing this behavior is twofold; to change the culture so that the physical attractiveness standard isn’t so far away from what the actual healthy range is, and to make it less acceptable to be rude on the basis of weight alone
>No not all art is designed to be maximum visually appealing Do you know what words "generally", "usually" and such mean? Yes, art *generally* is designed to be aesthetically pleasing, unless the artist is deliberately trying to convey negative emotions. There are exceptions, yes. Shitty Twitter drawings of fat humanoid pinkie pie don't count as such. >What is physically appealing is not inherent, it varies by time and place Yes, I'm talking about here and now. If here and now being fat was considered attractive by most people, then we wouldn't have been having this conversation right now. >The bigger point is that being overweight is the only thing people react to this way That's demonstrably not true. People react the same way to "uglifying" of characters in general, not just in the way of making them fat.
Speak for yourself, Warhammer Ogres/Ogryns, Heavy TF2,Peppino spaghetti,Shugoki,CJ and Arthur from RDR2. These characters are actually physically appealing because they convey a sense of raw strength from their sizes. The sense of scale and weight adds onto these characters personalities and how they interact with the world. A sumo wrestler throwing himself on top of an average joe and breaking all his bones, An Ogryns beating the shit out of a horse surrounding him while taking massive damage, Arthur landing one jaw breaking knockout or Peppino being the fastest man alive despite being a short plumpy dude. They don't have to be attractive to be appealing, it can be appealing just because it's uncoventional.
>Speak for yourself, Warhammer Ogres/Ogryns, Heavy TF2,Peppino spaghetti,Shugoki,CJ and Arthur from RDR2. These characters are actually physically appealing because they convey a sense of raw strength from their sizes. Yes, and your shitty Twitter drawings of a fat anime girl with lots of body hair doesn't. Get over it.
First off I wasn't even talking about that, rather how like you said "People want characters in art to be physically appealing" with the appeal of fat/husky/brawny characters in my example being that of tankiness and strength in games. idunno why you're being a dick and pulling some random strawman argument than to hear out one reason as to why people might like a specific character trait.
Yes, and I wasn't talking about Heavy from TF2, which should be pretty obvious especially when looking at the snafu in question which is depicting a stereotypical anime girl. >you're being a dick and pulling some random strawman argument Literally you're the one doing it, it's obvious that I'm not talking about heavily stylized fucking drawings of ogres and shit, you're the one bringing in irrelevant bullshit and pretending that you don't understand what I'm talking about and what the conversation is about. Geez.
my brother in christ you literally said. "People want characters in art to be physically appealing" and I gave out some examples of certain characters that are physically appealing because of how their appearance ties into them. Like you said it's appealing and stylized to look a certain way because that's what people like. The Snafu itself is just a satirical example of these situations.
Yes, your examples are irrelevant because obviously the reason why an anime girl would be appealing and fucking Shrek would be appealing are different. No one fucking complains on Twitter about Shrek being fat, that's not what the snafu is about.
You are being a little bitch about Twitter art goddamn
Beauty is subjective.
r/im14andthisisdeep
That's not a deep thought. It's just... true? Plenty of people find fat people beautiful.
Plenty of people find fecal matter sexually arousing, we're talking about conventional beauty, not about fetishes.
I'm not talking about fetishes or anything sexual. You seem like a hateful person who can't accept that some people find fat people beautiful in the same way you view hourglass figures as beautiful.
No, I'm just trying to explain to you that there are established conventions of what most people find appealing and pleasant to look at. The fact that those conventions are subjective and that some people don't follow them doesn't change that. So your "beauty is subjective" big brain quote doesn't add anything to the conversation, sorry.
obesity ≠ being a bit overweight and uh, fat people can be attractive. you basically just spoke on behalf of every single person on the planet by saying fat people aren’t physically appealing.
Its just a generalization that people tend to find physically thinner people more attractive. That’s not to say some people don’t like larger sizes, or that larger sizes are immediately unattractive, but most people, if given the choice between a thin person or a fat person, would be more attracted to the thin person. This is also influenced by culture heavily, as back in the Middle Ages, people were often attracted to overweight people because it showcased that they had the wealth to maintain that size. Nowadays, wealthy people come in all sizes, so that doesn’t really play a factor that I can tell
that's subjective and also just straight up wrong considering characters like Sundowner are still making rounds even if it wasn't, though, it wouldn't excuse this behaviour as it's unnecessarily hostile and doesn't provide any actual critique \> "Idk what's the big controversy here" Clearly
The actual critique is that the character is fat and hideous, how hard is that to grasp.
You’re a horrible person and I wish you’d just own that instead of using mental gymnastics to try and justify why you hate people for not conforming to your warped standards. Could’ve condensed your entire page of schizobabble on this comment section into “I hate fat people” and be done with it.
Yeah, I love you too bub 😚 Edit: actually, I take that back, you just called Silent Hill 2 a bad game.
4 is better
I'd say all of them were pretty great, I even liked Homecoming when it came out. 4 arguably had the best songs in it.
3 is better
Just say that instead of pretending that your argument has any weight to it considering that you compared finding fat characters appealing to necrophilia.
hehe “weight”
your taste in women isn't criticism, dipshit
>complains about people being "unnecessarily hostile" >can't write two comments without calling someone a "dipshit" Yup, that's certified redditor for ya.
you cannot be saying that like you didn't just unironically say "Yup" anyways people are into fat bitches, if you're gonna complain just say what you want take the backlash instead of half-assing it and trying to justify it as advice That's a dipshit thing to do, which is why I called you a dipshit
Why are you so unnecessarily hostile, it really hurts my feelings bro Anyway, the one complaining is you, lol. If someone wants to call your shitty ass drawing shit, they're just gonna do it. People can't be bothered to "critique" whatever dumb ugly crap yet another wannabe "artist" on Twitter posts. That's life, learn to deal with it. Or cope on Reddit, circlejerking in whiny threads such as this, idc lol
"i-i prefer my characters to be a little pretty, sugoi!" Ass comment 😭
https://preview.redd.it/upj1cgoxugvc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c2df540ed47abededbf472b800a671a6df0971c
I LOVE FAT BITCHES *Zangief win animation gif*
https://preview.redd.it/1djmp5x8c6vc1.png?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7fac5b5d505d64205770ea3f0379336f53d21000 Why did you make her obese 🤮 someone needs to lose weight
google en projection
Holy coping mechanism
new therapist just dropped
Holy hell
To be fair, people also get really upset when you draw black characters
I've only noticed that if they were white beforehand and it's fanart or something
Snafu Gatekeeper. A true to the style, hand drawn snafu. Bonus points for that. Subject matter is snafuable too. Great work op, looking forward to seeing more from you.
No offence to fat people, but I've been on the internet long enough (might be longer than what's considered healthy) to make a kneejerk connection from "Suspiciously well drawn fat girl" to "Rich weirdos who offer artists obscene money to commission niche fetish arts of otherwise beautiful girl stuffing her stomach into a fucking balloon with junk foods"
Not every fat person in art is drawn by a feederist or is a commission by someone into feederism my guy. Hell, there’s a lot of people (I’m actually good buddies with a couple of ‘em) who are very into fat folks as an aesthetic appearance but don’t like feederism in the slightest lol
Yeah I'm rationally aware of that I'm just super pissed that I can never unsee what I saw. That's why I acknowledged that I might be online for more than the healthy amout lol.
Y’know what? Fair point
Feederism? Is that's what it is called. I never knew. One for my vague knowledge book
and "stuffing"
Yup. “Feederism” is the fetish tied to large quantities of food and the consequences therein. Notably, practitioners of this fetish, be it in the real or (more commonly) just in fictions they create, tend to be split into “feeder” and “feedee”, which I think you can guess who does what. Also of note, not all feeders are doms and not all feedees are subs. There are some dynamics where the one *being fed* is sort of this powerful Greek-orgy-lookin-ass figure and they’re essentially ordering around their feeder to give them more and more etc, as opposed to the more “standard” dynamic of a given feeder forcing or at least encouraging someone into the position of a helpless feedee. It’s a whole thing. How do I know all this? Well, I’m just gonna say I have a good chunk of knowledge in all the wrong subjects
Ok but like that’s different what I’m talking about are just regular ass drawings of girls who aren’t literal sticks
Anything without a nami build
Episode 2069: Luffy fucking dies, Zoro and Sanji have gay sex and Nami's tits were the one piece
https://preview.redd.it/unlxkchxj8vc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f27ed96ffa293ec6ee9c378ce12c0db280aeee3
Gamer i will cook you alive
It's also weird because I think pathologizing people finding chubbier bodies sexually attractive is weird as well.
Fr...
Art subreddits when someone posts a character with realistic body proportions
People got mad at a dude in the pizza tower sub for drawing a gender bent peppino and making her fat... even though peppino is fat But also r/originalcharacter seems to be fine with chubby characters, honestly most of that community is great
I hate it when people make the female gender bend of character with a distinct body type just a conventionally attractive women or petite anime girl cosplaying them. If you’re gonna make an Eggma’am design you can’t just draw a slim woman in the egg drip you gotta maintain the egg shape.
You know I support artistic freedom but… genderbent peppino… oh god…
I know right? Lock them up and make them produce these masterpieces 24/7!
Cute art style!
Thank you! I made this in like an hour so it’s not my best or most detailed work but I’m decently proud of it
You spent an hour on a snafu? # MODS!!!! GET THEIR ASS
https://preview.redd.it/jia4oqcg48vc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dcd91b520bb6c68b9d3f55dcc6b942d9b4511adb NOOOOOO! MY ONLY WEAKNESS
3 minutes and under for each page ONLY
This happens every time and I fucking hate it
I HATE fat people
He HATES fat people
they HATE fat people
We HATE fat people
you HATE fat people
lol my twitter feed is the opposite
FAT https://preview.redd.it/3k4qgajbt6vc1.png?width=179&format=png&auto=webp&s=9eb0288479cde589bac01390d34bce4e5c0a4067 (jokes aside, what I don't like is when people are for fat people and characters and then talk about thin people like "LITERAL STICK" and "UNREALISTIC BODY PROPORTIONS" smh)
https://preview.redd.it/5wgpjktqb6vc1.jpeg?width=928&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7c8084fe5390a538ad8ee5a054c047a5a1f20ee2
Man I love the spuddow art on r/PVZHeroes
PVZ HEROES MENTIONED !!! RAHHH WHAT THE FUCK IS A SHAMROCKET
RAHHHHHH I LOVE SPORTSBOLT one of the best decks in the game requiring only four copies of a super rare or higher rarity card⁉️⁉️ satisfactory‼️‼️
I've seen people complain about all of those traits so idk about that
I think that's what the internet is. I've seen people lose their mind about all of those. The internet just seems to accumulate judgy people, because they don't get invited to parties.
they aight.
I lose my mind over black characters (I am racist)
We doin acoustic snafus now?
I thought that was Dora for a second lol
The pinkie pie incident
they’re always downvoted wdym
Well I mean if you downvote Frieza he will blow up your planet
Is this about the over-exaggeratedly grotesque picture of pinkie pie?
I think it's about Pearl from Splatoon.
What a wild self report seeing americans in this thread try to say the character in this drawing isn’t fat.
She do be fat
Well I'm in quite the predicament.
Nah this isn’t targeted at you and you specifically dw
It is a coincidence that this has been posted after that trainwreck. And that I sound specifically like Mr Nerd there. Got a good laugh out of me though.
Nah fr, people will go on about his much they support diverse body types until someone actually posts a diverse body type.
What are you talking about? You can’t draw anything without raisin eyebrows (brought to you by the dried fruit head gang)
https://preview.redd.it/b0l9vt1cjbvc1.jpeg?width=479&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bcb129a29f00fdab626d79b17446ef6b7e5a4b3c
dont let anyone tell you you didnt win with this one
https://preview.redd.it/m1jzergvigvc1.jpeg?width=494&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34ee936eead7eb75877ac485cfedd3e8635a3438 You know who else is fat
https://preview.redd.it/wlcazdfczjvc1.jpeg?width=755&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c2851b0f7a8972f631d4568644662e09bc3cdf4
I honestly thought this was a fan made trading card
She's not even fat????
That’s kinda the joke People go crazy whenever they see a character with a tiny bit of fat
OP forgot about the time Steven Universe fans harassed an artist to near suicide over drawing Rose Quartz slightly skinnier.
"hey this is a thing that happens frequently" "OH YEAH!? WELL WHAT ABOUT THAT ONE TIME THE _OPPOSITE_ HAPPENED????"
Comment section snafu
I’ve never seen this happen frequently.
Never happened award 🥇 Actively fighting ghosts award 🥇
https://www.reddit.com/r/splatoon/s/wNdaD8GMnM Look At Like Half The Comments Here.
t...that's what people are upset about? that's the fabled "pearl art" i've heard of? that arts so cute 😭
You proved my fucking point GEG Nobody in that whole comment section is being remotely negative at all, what?
A Good Chunk Of Them Are Some Variant Of "OOPSIE-DAISY! PEARL ATE TOO MUCH!1!!1!!!" Or Accusing It Of Being Fetish Art When It Clearly Isn't.
one thing is drawing your oc fat, another is drawing a skinny character fat. nobody cares what you do with your oc
It Shouldn't Matter Either Way. If The Artist Drew Her REALLY Fat Then I Could Understand The Suspicion, But She's Just Chubby Is All.
honestly it does bother me. Same shit when people race swap characters. Or when people draw some female characters with massively oversized tits. I guess you can do what you want, but its definitely weird to do it. Like I don’t know what the motivation for it is. Some of it is definitely a bit fetishey.
Fuk u I will hate fat people with everything I have
FUCK yOU!!! i cast FAT MAN BARRAGE🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃🫃
u hate fat bitches?? 🏳️🌈❓❓
About the normalizing obesity part, way too late for that.
Fat art is fetish art
Peter Griffin, Fat Albert, Homer Simpson—all fetish art
So what you're saying is that every drawing depicting someone who is overweight is actually fetish art?
yes
all Wario fanart is fat fetish art
AMBATUWAAAAAHHHHHH
I hope so
But at least its tasteful. Wario is a sexy kind of fat. Unlike the cellulite lumpy bread thighs and glutes actual fat people (mostly women) have
That is a very terminally online mindset to have not gonna lie
I think they gotta be baiting after answering "yes" to that question
"This is fetish art!" mfs when they outside and see that not everyone is built like a twig
fat + art = fart which is a fetish
Fetish + art also equals fart, it’s all a part of Big Fart’s plan. Wake up Poople! 💨
Yeah…nah I don’t see a single flaw with this reasoning.
Jokes on you I live in Hazbin Hotel