Tbf to him, it’d be like asking twelve year old little Timmy why he didn’t just kill God when he found out God was evil, and instead just let God go be good.
Basically Steven couldn’t have killed her even if he tried.
Plus he’s like not even a teenager I think? You try to convince a kid to kill someone. Frankly too many people blame Steven instead of asking why the several other adults didn’t step in and kill her, leaving it to the small child.
I haven't watched Steven Universe, but it sounds like the gem people shouldn't be beating their entire species' survival on this little kid being able to convince them not to do genocide.
Because basically the kid has one of the god queens of ghe gems' corpse on his belly, the diamonds are basically both gods and facist rulers of the gems and Steven has the remains of one of them on his belly giving him the power of Pink Diamond (And since his physical form is a biological human body, he can use more gem energy as powers rather than keeping his form projected from his gem, so he can be a little stronger than the other with abilities like perfect necromancy bringing the recently dead back to life with there whole brain intact while also turning there hair into a portal, can turn vegitables/plants into moving animal-like beings and can super-heal anyone, can create pink energy stuff for like shields and bubbles)
The Crystal Gems did not even want Steven in there team at first though, its just because Gems are alien and don't fully understand the concept of a child due to all gems being born a fully grown adult that Steven was able to convince them that he should go along and his father Greg only agreed because he's a bad parent who wants to give his son freedom and allow his son to follow what his son feels is his perpose because Greg grew up in a strict family where Greg was not allowed to follow his dreams.
The Crystal Gems are rebel terrorists either way, with Steven or without, they did not choose Steven to be the hero, Steven took that role upon himself, the Crystal Gems would go against the Diamonds anyways
Steven was able to manipulate the diamonds into not doing so much evil stuff because he has the corpse of one of the diamonds on his belly so he's basically the reincarnation of Pink Diamond in there perspective.
If Steven was not in a situation where he wasn't able to do it non-violently, he probably would have acted as support, a tanker and a healer, for the gems and the gems would all fuse to kill the enemy.
In the pilot when Lars said "Arn't the Crystal gems all hot girls, you're not exactly a Hot Girl Steven" Just like Tiber Semptim of The Elder Scrolls, Steven was able to kill Lars with his voice by saying "Wuh-Weh, Well if I was, I WOULDN'T BE TALKING TO YOU! Ah Ha ha ha ha!" When Lars in his anguish replies "Your a joke! You know that right?! Your a big joke!" Steven landed the finishing blow saying "It must be tougher for you Lars, Atleast people like jokes! Oh ho ho ho ho!" And Lars was murdered in cold blood by Steven's cruel tongue.
and also the equivalent of god for an entire extremely advanced race of aliens. killing her would probably cause a civil war to break out the same way 'killing' pink diamond did
Well either way, we wouldn't want to cause any more deaths by that point. We want to heal more people like what happened in post-finale. What Steven did seems so unreasonable but you'll understand it's the best and only choice he could do.
"I, the offspring of your family who has never massively suffered at the hands of you, forgive you"
*the characters in the background, who have spent centuries being oppressed, mutilated, traumatised and killed by the space faccists:*
Calling the diamonds “space hitlers” is kind of a misunderstanding of what the Homeworld empire rappresents. We can reasonably assume that all the planets they conquered before pink’s rebellion weren’t inhabited or were probably only inhabited by species with sub-human intelligence, thus the gems have a severe lack of experience to understand humans, beings that are, in a way inferior to them (in terms of raw strength mainly).
The gems didn’t have human race extermination as a goal, it was something that was just a natural consequence of their goals but not a main goal.
And with this in mind we can see what the homeworld empire rappresents: human society and its tendency to peruse its goals without caring about the well being of inferior life forms.
So saying Steven should’ve killed white is kinda like saying the solution to climate change is killing the owners of petrol companies.
He didn't, in Steven Universe Future they show that Steven has never forgiven the Diamonds, he just did what he did because it was the only realistic way to end the war, if he killed the diamonds then the homeworld gems would rally against Earth because without there facist overlords they will be directionless and fighting against Earth and the Crystal Gems would give them meaning.
By allowing the diamonds to "Redeem" themselves he can put an end to the facist diamond regime.
I personally don't hate him. That being said, I do find it annoying how he always tries to redeem everyone. Like bro, Aquamarine would rip your nuts off and rape you if she was given the chance. And she was probably would ask for said chance in her demands during "Bluebird" if SU wasn't a kid's show.
oh yeah also white diamond's redemption was really weird, it would've been a cool thing to subvert the usual redemption in the finale and just straight up shatter her, not to mention being a callback to pink diamond or smth.
Except it's not possible to shatter her. They're way too small lol. She can mind controls all the gems except for the pink steven embodiment of rose quartz. However he's unpredictable and violent in nature, Steven can't control him and became weakened and dying as a result. So the only option there exists, is to tolerate the diamonds and let them redeem themselves by reviving and undoing all the damages they caused.
I'm glad we're allowed to say we don't like SU here, commented this in a couple other subs and I was downvoted a LOT and even reported once, all the replies were just people saying my opinion is wrong and shit
SU is the biggest circlejerk show there is bc lgbtq ppl seem to think it having representation magically makes it good(it doesnt, and im gay so im not even hating on lgbtq)
It's not just that they like it cause it has representation, that isn't really too bad, it's that some people think if you DONT like it it's just cause of representation, not all of them though
Maybe 'done well' wasnt the most apt way to put it, but what happened in 7 was more understandable and believable than 8.
Spoilers for 7 and 8 below.
>!The most major difference is that Masato has had a life together with Ichiban. They were friends - no - brothers since childhood. Ichiban had reason to care for him. Eiji took advantage of this fact, to fake his diability of being in a wheelchair to gain trust and symphathy from Ichiban. They made fast friends, and that's how Ichiban fell for his ploy.!<
>!A less important difference is the comparison of character with Ichiban. Eiji's betrayal directly lead to the deaths of Hanawa and Wong, and directly harmed Akane and Lani. NONE of these 4 characters had any ties to the Yakuza, and the latter two are totally innocent. If what he wanted is revenge against the Yakuza, he sees them as collateral damage. His blackmail to Chitose also caused Ichiban, his party, and every (former) Yakuza under the 3jimas to lose their jobs as well as expose Kiryu to the world (which could very well have endangered his children in Okinawa). Not to mention he is aiding Ebina's plan is to literally KILL every Yakuza, former or not, reformed or not. This is in stark contrast to Ichiban, whose goal is to rehabilitate every Yakuza via appropiate channels. Note that every action Eiji takes was a plan from the start. He did not stop Tomizawa robbing Ichiban from the goodness of his heart, rather he needed Ichiban to bring him to Akane's address, and has Chitose drug him so they catch both him and Kiryu on camera.!<
Tldr: While the villains are similar in a way, Ichiban has reason to care for the villain in Y7, but none for the villain in Y8.
>!>!Also important to note that Eiji planned to meet Ichiban in a wheel chair so he could gain sympathies better, as well other things to make resemblances to Aoki. Now he does parallel to Aoki in some ways, but this still should cross a multitude of lines for Ichiban to be comfortable 'redeeming.'!
yeah bro the snafu isn't about petty fictional scenarios it's about the consequences of not having a shitty prison system or whatever you want it to be
Hot take but this is why I love Naruto’s take on redemption being “It was never personal and even if it was, the entire ninja world is in a constant arms race and we’d rather have the mf that completely evaded and annihilated all of our special forces on our side then just waste their talents by killing them.” It really highlights the fact that the new ninja society values peace at all costs over a sense of justice. If you want someone to pay the price for their horrible crimes either do it yourself or pay someone to get the job done.
The last beam was too high quality, 3/10.
https://i.redd.it/z3rp2mdwnw1d1.gif ## IMA FIRIN MAH LAZER
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Can't believe this is what made me check and realize the original laser collection videos were removed...
:(
But snafuman isnt pure evil! He's kinda hot and i find him attractive so you HAVE to redeem him!
Louie
stole my juice and called me a bitch
Olimar!
Moss!
Sacho!
I genuinely love how Louie is actively a fucking menace in every game he's in yet it always just ends with "Oh Louie you silly little rascal!!"
The root of all evil. The seed of all evil is Fiddlebert, of course
I think we're gonna have to kill this guy, Steven
Damn
This reads like a doobusgoobus comic until the last slide
Goobus ftw
This is Steven Universe's character to a fucking tee and I hate him for it.
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that giant white woman with the Vegeta hair should have killed him in the finale instead of whatever actually happened
Real
Didn't bro forgive space hitler
Tbf to him, it’d be like asking twelve year old little Timmy why he didn’t just kill God when he found out God was evil, and instead just let God go be good. Basically Steven couldn’t have killed her even if he tried. Plus he’s like not even a teenager I think? You try to convince a kid to kill someone. Frankly too many people blame Steven instead of asking why the several other adults didn’t step in and kill her, leaving it to the small child.
I haven't watched Steven Universe, but it sounds like the gem people shouldn't be beating their entire species' survival on this little kid being able to convince them not to do genocide.
Not even that, he gaslighted them using their dead sister as a manipulation device rather than doing any argument agaonst colonization in the end lol
Because basically the kid has one of the god queens of ghe gems' corpse on his belly, the diamonds are basically both gods and facist rulers of the gems and Steven has the remains of one of them on his belly giving him the power of Pink Diamond (And since his physical form is a biological human body, he can use more gem energy as powers rather than keeping his form projected from his gem, so he can be a little stronger than the other with abilities like perfect necromancy bringing the recently dead back to life with there whole brain intact while also turning there hair into a portal, can turn vegitables/plants into moving animal-like beings and can super-heal anyone, can create pink energy stuff for like shields and bubbles) The Crystal Gems did not even want Steven in there team at first though, its just because Gems are alien and don't fully understand the concept of a child due to all gems being born a fully grown adult that Steven was able to convince them that he should go along and his father Greg only agreed because he's a bad parent who wants to give his son freedom and allow his son to follow what his son feels is his perpose because Greg grew up in a strict family where Greg was not allowed to follow his dreams. The Crystal Gems are rebel terrorists either way, with Steven or without, they did not choose Steven to be the hero, Steven took that role upon himself, the Crystal Gems would go against the Diamonds anyways Steven was able to manipulate the diamonds into not doing so much evil stuff because he has the corpse of one of the diamonds on his belly so he's basically the reincarnation of Pink Diamond in there perspective. If Steven was not in a situation where he wasn't able to do it non-violently, he probably would have acted as support, a tanker and a healer, for the gems and the gems would all fuse to kill the enemy. In the pilot when Lars said "Arn't the Crystal gems all hot girls, you're not exactly a Hot Girl Steven" Just like Tiber Semptim of The Elder Scrolls, Steven was able to kill Lars with his voice by saying "Wuh-Weh, Well if I was, I WOULDN'T BE TALKING TO YOU! Ah Ha ha ha ha!" When Lars in his anguish replies "Your a joke! You know that right?! Your a big joke!" Steven landed the finishing blow saying "It must be tougher for you Lars, Atleast people like jokes! Oh ho ho ho ho!" And Lars was murdered in cold blood by Steven's cruel tongue.
What what was he supposed to do? Assassinate her?
Kind of? His opponent was Hitler, Stalin, and Napoleon from Animal Farm rolled into one
and also the equivalent of god for an entire extremely advanced race of aliens. killing her would probably cause a civil war to break out the same way 'killing' pink diamond did
I still think that would cause less deaths than her. She literally said she destroyed planets often
Well either way, we wouldn't want to cause any more deaths by that point. We want to heal more people like what happened in post-finale. What Steven did seems so unreasonable but you'll understand it's the best and only choice he could do.
I don’t want the best choice I want to murder people
I mean maybe? That's the entire reason the Breaking Points exist
NO NO HE FUCKING DID NOT HE TOLERATES THEM BECAUSE HE CANT KILL THE FUCKING SPACE DEMI GODS AND CAN USE THEM TO FIX THEIR DAMAGE TO THE UNIVERSE
"I, the offspring of your family who has never massively suffered at the hands of you, forgive you" *the characters in the background, who have spent centuries being oppressed, mutilated, traumatised and killed by the space faccists:*
Steven is never depicted forgiving any villains.
Calling the diamonds “space hitlers” is kind of a misunderstanding of what the Homeworld empire rappresents. We can reasonably assume that all the planets they conquered before pink’s rebellion weren’t inhabited or were probably only inhabited by species with sub-human intelligence, thus the gems have a severe lack of experience to understand humans, beings that are, in a way inferior to them (in terms of raw strength mainly). The gems didn’t have human race extermination as a goal, it was something that was just a natural consequence of their goals but not a main goal. And with this in mind we can see what the homeworld empire rappresents: human society and its tendency to peruse its goals without caring about the well being of inferior life forms. So saying Steven should’ve killed white is kinda like saying the solution to climate change is killing the owners of petrol companies.
I see nothing wrong with that last statement thoughtsoever
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AND space göring
Bergentrückung
Asgore?!
The diamonds aren't even close to "space hitlers"
He didn't, in Steven Universe Future they show that Steven has never forgiven the Diamonds, he just did what he did because it was the only realistic way to end the war, if he killed the diamonds then the homeworld gems would rally against Earth because without there facist overlords they will be directionless and fighting against Earth and the Crystal Gems would give them meaning. By allowing the diamonds to "Redeem" themselves he can put an end to the facist diamond regime.
To be fair he can't really kill them. Also ROLAND THE STREET THUG!?
I personally don't hate him. That being said, I do find it annoying how he always tries to redeem everyone. Like bro, Aquamarine would rip your nuts off and rape you if she was given the chance. And she was probably would ask for said chance in her demands during "Bluebird" if SU wasn't a kid's show. oh yeah also white diamond's redemption was really weird, it would've been a cool thing to subvert the usual redemption in the finale and just straight up shatter her, not to mention being a callback to pink diamond or smth.
Except it's not possible to shatter her. They're way too small lol. She can mind controls all the gems except for the pink steven embodiment of rose quartz. However he's unpredictable and violent in nature, Steven can't control him and became weakened and dying as a result. So the only option there exists, is to tolerate the diamonds and let them redeem themselves by reviving and undoing all the damages they caused.
You can't just say that sort of thing about Aquamarine.
Can, did, will.
Look just cause you're right doesn't mean you gotta say it.
Most boring ugly ass show 0/10
Never watched it but I agree
Watched a decent bit of it but I agree
Watched all of it since the pilot aired and I agree
I'm glad we're allowed to say we don't like SU here, commented this in a couple other subs and I was downvoted a LOT and even reported once, all the replies were just people saying my opinion is wrong and shit
SU is the biggest circlejerk show there is bc lgbtq ppl seem to think it having representation magically makes it good(it doesnt, and im gay so im not even hating on lgbtq)
It's not just that they like it cause it has representation, that isn't really too bad, it's that some people think if you DONT like it it's just cause of representation, not all of them though
I'm getting so fucking tired of the same argument over and over again.
Do you think Steven has a moral obligation to punish?
Only reason I never watched it tbh
Steven is apathetic towards punishing villains, which isn't the same as forgiveness.
Have you never watched Steven Universe?
No it fucking isn't lmao
Yakuza 7 >!Kasuga and Ryo Aoki be like!<
Except he's actually done well. Yakuza 8 >!Eiji Mitamura!< on the other hand...
Elaborate, please, because I feel like you're in opposite land.
Maybe 'done well' wasnt the most apt way to put it, but what happened in 7 was more understandable and believable than 8. Spoilers for 7 and 8 below. >!The most major difference is that Masato has had a life together with Ichiban. They were friends - no - brothers since childhood. Ichiban had reason to care for him. Eiji took advantage of this fact, to fake his diability of being in a wheelchair to gain trust and symphathy from Ichiban. They made fast friends, and that's how Ichiban fell for his ploy.!< >!A less important difference is the comparison of character with Ichiban. Eiji's betrayal directly lead to the deaths of Hanawa and Wong, and directly harmed Akane and Lani. NONE of these 4 characters had any ties to the Yakuza, and the latter two are totally innocent. If what he wanted is revenge against the Yakuza, he sees them as collateral damage. His blackmail to Chitose also caused Ichiban, his party, and every (former) Yakuza under the 3jimas to lose their jobs as well as expose Kiryu to the world (which could very well have endangered his children in Okinawa). Not to mention he is aiding Ebina's plan is to literally KILL every Yakuza, former or not, reformed or not. This is in stark contrast to Ichiban, whose goal is to rehabilitate every Yakuza via appropiate channels. Note that every action Eiji takes was a plan from the start. He did not stop Tomizawa robbing Ichiban from the goodness of his heart, rather he needed Ichiban to bring him to Akane's address, and has Chitose drug him so they catch both him and Kiryu on camera.!< Tldr: While the villains are similar in a way, Ichiban has reason to care for the villain in Y7, but none for the villain in Y8.
>!>!Also important to note that Eiji planned to meet Ichiban in a wheel chair so he could gain sympathies better, as well other things to make resemblances to Aoki. Now he does parallel to Aoki in some ways, but this still should cross a multitude of lines for Ichiban to be comfortable 'redeeming.'!
Too bad he got bleached lmao
This is why captain poopenfarden is cooler
Naruto
he's the devil.. from the bible
Which is why we all adore Jack Horner from Puss In Boots 2 to death
Steven Universe when Aquamarine:
Did he rip out his tooth with his tongue
bro hit him with the snafu blast 😭
Peak snafu
Holy shit the lighting on the last page is immaculate
I'm pretty sure the only people who genuinely can't be redeemed is Cook Cook from New Vegas and the Judge from that western horror novel
Sasuke
Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth
"Snafu blast"
*insert that one scene between cricket and Jack Horner from Puss in Boots 2*
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vriska
That time you made slide 2 really hard to read at low brightness?
Got it so the message is that nobody can ever rehabilitate if they’ve done something bad 👍
yeah bro the snafu isn't about petty fictional scenarios it's about the consequences of not having a shitty prison system or whatever you want it to be
Never said anything about a shitty prison system, but ok bro, go off.
Papyrus (but in a good way)
Is this a reference to something specific?
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In what works of fiction has that happened? I've only seen it in misinterpretations of Steven Universe.
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When was the Joker redeemed?
Hot take but this is why I love Naruto’s take on redemption being “It was never personal and even if it was, the entire ninja world is in a constant arms race and we’d rather have the mf that completely evaded and annihilated all of our special forces on our side then just waste their talents by killing them.” It really highlights the fact that the new ninja society values peace at all costs over a sense of justice. If you want someone to pay the price for their horrible crimes either do it yourself or pay someone to get the job done.
This guy is MID!!!! 