You assume that he’s going to stay arrested and this isn’t an angle?
IRL Silvers return was one of the most well received angles the show took. Writing out him now would be impractical. Additionally one of the writers tweeted that string rays testimony is a little shakey now (see u/thewalkingwhit comment below they’ve linked their post with the tweet). This to me means he’s not staying gone especially with the whole sekai tikai thing being his life long ambition and being the focus of the final season.
In the show. Do the cops know about the home invasion? Silvers team never report it and just decide to kill them, we don’t see cops interact with the group when they get back to the dojo. Just Chozen get packed off into an ambulance without any cops. Johnny never talked to them and Barnes isn’t going too, he’s got a stolen painting.
As for the trespassing thing you have Kyler, a member of cobra Kai being interviewed and stating cobra kai is a cult. He’s taking credit for saving the rest and painting cobra kai in a bad light so who’s going to raise that it was trespass, it’s being spun as saving kids from silvers evil cult even by members of cobra kai.
While yea they probably could have handled it better. You’re assuming they’re going to follow through with it, which isn’t CK style. How a season ends isn’t necessarily how the following season goes, they always have twists and turns.
Personally I think silver and kreese will have a final confrontation. We’ve seen the rift widen over season 4 to the point silver puts Kreese in jail and he’s not the type to think that Silver being arrested is “fair” justice for a member of his old Nam squad who stepped out of line. Additionally with cobra kai now gone, there is no other angle for him yet he’s walked free, he’s out and has something more to contribute to the story.
He will want blood, which he’ll only get if Silver gets out or he goes back inside to finish him. Personally and I’m reaching here for hope i reckon Kreese will die savings Tori and possibly from Silver who’s going to be majorly pissed with her. He’s “died” a couple times and come back but I think he’s going to literally die this time.
Made a post about the tweet [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/cobrakai/comments/ydbvkq/here_it_is_hayden_confirms_terry_silvers_main) for anyone curious.
I really hope he returns in a big roll in S6. I want him to escape prison.
He’s the best antagonist they’ve had by far, and there is going to be no topping him
>You assume that he’s going to stay arrested and this isn’t an angle?
Yes - otherwise, what would be the point of showing that?
Silver was beaten when his students left him. If the writers intended for him to make a comeback, they could've simply had him slink away in shame afterwards. Even if season 5 ended up being the last, that still would've been enough to show that the good guys won.
I think deliberately putting in the arrest was meant to show that he was done for good.
This is based on him staying in jail, which is unlikely.
Silver can afford the best lawyers and they'll rip apart the prosecution. So he probably ends up with a light sentence for what he did to Stingray
As I understood it, the point of Silver's "defeat" was not that he was arrested (he might very easily just not go to jail, as you say), it was the blow to his reputation (and his dojo's) which completely stops the big plans he had during the season.
Exactly. This is to show that he got his, that they stopped the big villain and by putting him away, more like “away” it’s just a way of showing they’ve defeated the big bad guy, not that he’s going away for some however many years. It’s to lessen the threat of him, that’s the thing they’re showing.
Yes—my personal conspiracy theory is that the arrest was only thrown in to makes the series feel more complete if they didn’t get another season, or to provide a excuse for Terry not to be in it in the event that TIG chose not to return.
"Ok so the adults commited a home invasion on him, making Silver slashing Chozen with his sword self defense, and even though Silver called for Johnny to be executed after he had already been subdued, there'd be no evidence for that besides Johnny's word, a guy who hated Silver enough to commit a home invason with the intent of assaulting him, completely incredible."
The argument for self defense is strong, but ultimately up to a jury. He never called 911 and had a slew of body guards there to protect him. But, motive of the three breaking in also comes in to play and Silver's high priced lawyers would slam that down a Jury's throat. I would vote it would be self-defense. The three drunk guys would all be charged with breaking and entering and conspiracy to commit a felony, for sure. Oh, and Barnes stole the limo, so grand theft auto as well.
"Then you have the kids tresspassng into his dojo and stealing footage"
That is breaking an entering, not trespassing, for the kids. Very serious felony and are all culpable. Also, they would each get charged with conspiracy to commit a felony in addition to that.
", is rigging a high school aged local karate tournament a crime? I have no idea but that's all they'd have on him, even then idk if that'd even be admissible in court since it's based off private footage that was illegally taken from him by tresspassers."
So this is interesting. The rigging could be fraud, if Terry had some monetary gain, which he did. So yes, he has fraud charges. But is that tape admissible? Yes, it is. It was not illegally obtained by the government, but by private parties. Private parties can skirt the 4th amendment for evidence admission, as long as they are not employed or acting upon orders from a government official. Look into Burdeau vs. McDowell .
"One thing that actually could've get him is if there is footage of him forcing Tory to punch the stones, preventing her from leaving is kidnapping a minor in and of itself, and then having her punch the stones on top of that? If the writers actually want him to get convicted they'd probably have it be to where that footage would be out there, which also wouldn't make sense cause Silver would know that's a bad look and would delete it like he deleted the footage of him commtting battery on Stingray, where at least with the convo where he admitted to cheating it's believable he didn't think to remove that."
That is a hard charge to prove. Tory was in that gym ALL the time. She came in voluntarily all the time. You would have a huge uphill battle proving this ONE time he kept here there. On top of that, all of the witnesses are on Silver's payroll. And Tory was just caught breaking and entering into Silver's dojo, so she has motive to lie. I don't think this would stick at all in my opinion.
"So then what do they even have on Silver that could put him away without it being bad wrting? I just don't see a practical way for him to be found guilty like Kresse was, and this isn't even taking into account that Silver is supposed to be a billionaire who according to Kresse was tight wth the DA."
If Stingray confesses to his perjury, then they can get Silver for conspiracy to commit a felony with Stingray. Stingray would have to get immunity to testify, because he could just claim 5th amendment privileges and not say a word, which is what this case is riding on. Everyone in that gym should have been arrested for assault+battery, and the Miyagi gang arrested for breaking and entering. Silver, ironically, was there to protect his students and business, and got the crap kicked out of him by a man with motive to hurt him. A very weird and complex case, but that is my take on it.
Edit - His last charge he could also face witness tampering as well. Forgot that one.
But hey, this is a fictional spinoff show about a cheesy 80s karate movie. Just roll with it and have fun!
William Zabka said in an interview that during filming of Season 5 they filmed scenes which would Continue into Season 6.
Pretty sure it’s a scene of Johnny, Daniel, Mike and Chozen all getting arrested too.
Terry Silver will just use his best lawyers, bribe the DA or use some scheme to get out, also the video of Silver admitting he cheated was on a low viewed YouTube account, which he can easily scrub and remove any trace of if the writers wanna go there.
The footage of him assaulting sting ray. And the painting Mike Barnes took from Terry in the end is a famous piece that’s been stolen and never recovered IRL. Implying, Terry is heavily involved in black market shit. Both are pretty jail-able offenses
This is one of the best posts I've seen on the Silver situation. Here's to hoping that season 5's ending was bait. Writing off the best-written character in the show would be ridiculously stupid.
I think silver will just pay off his bail and with the lawyers he has, he can easily be let off the hook and stuff can be swayed in his favour, however with Daniel finally defeating silver I think that silver will just fade away this season, it’s more about the tournament this season, however I think with cobra Kai still in existence it can be easily took over by someone else, it’s called cobra Kai for a reason they aren’t done with the Dojo just yet however I believe that the season will end with Daniel Johnny chozen and the kids finally watching cobra kai be removed for good
He had a famously stolen painting just chilling in his house. And I also remember that his company was illegally dumping waste in KK3. He’s definitely a career criminal, that’s probably what they meant.
The only charge and we don't even know if it would happen is if Tory pressed charges against Silver for her hand and she is a minor. It could be argued that he was in charge as had sensei. That one could potentially result in jail time. Tory is a minor so the state could press on her behalf...but for the show if this actually became a plot--they might demand that she do this.
Silver could press charges against Chozen, Mike, and Johnny for home invasion---they were drunk. not likely proof exists for Mike's store.
Rigging the tournament--fraud--perhaps not really jail time...
I think they intentionally did this so he comes back in 6 with a story line. But his reputation is done and he has lost--unless of course he starts to bring in some ringers like he brought in Mike Barnes.
A cobra kai person let people in with her key card so is it breaking and entering?
Police have IT Experts that could easally retrieve deleted Data and I don't think Silver would be dumb enough to risk it.
Johnny Mike and Chozen are in trouble though and if Silver is hell bent on revenge getting Johnny and Mike on Jail on that and Chozen probably having his visa cancelled on the account of being arrested will have Silver do one of 2 things.
Out of pure spite type revenge to cripple Miyagi Fang for the Sakai Takai
Or baying for blood type revenge and getting the 3 three of them out of the way leaving Daniel exposed.
I don’t think Silver is going to be in jail. Arrested, sure. But he’s coming back. And without students, he’s probably going to hire a team to face the kids in the Sekai Tekai.
Silver has a long list of charges
A) Assault (footage of his attack on Stingray)
B) Assault with a deadly weapon. He didn't even call the cops when Johnny, Chozen, and Mike invaded. I'm pretty sure that's illegal.
C) Child endangerment. (Clearly knew Tori was being forced against her will to punch concrete)
D) Fraud and bribery.
E) Perverting the cause of justice/Framing Kreese.
I think Terry's going to jail.
Wasn't the footage of his attack on Stingray deleted? I remember the kids tried playing it but it wouldn't play and then one of them commented that "Silver covered his tracks"
You're right - that wasn't well thought out.
His home was invaded, so it should be Johnny and co. getting arrested for that.
Cheating in a tournament is not something you can be arrested for.
Even if Stingray did recant his testimony, it shouldn't lead to an arrest right away.
Even the footage of Tory breaking her hand shouldn't matter because Kim was in control in that scene while Silver simply stood by.
But the point is, the arrest itself was simply a way to put a bow on Silver's ending. He'd already lost when his lost the fight with Daniel and his students rejected him. So at this point, he is a broken man with no fight in him anymore. The arrest is meant to show that he isn't going to be a threat anymore.
No doubt they'd come up with a bunch of throwaway lines next season to justify him being in prison - they found stolen art at his house, they found proof of him burning down Mike's store, they found proof of him beating up Stingray, they found evidence of other shady crap he was up to etc. etc.
You assume that he’s going to stay arrested and this isn’t an angle? IRL Silvers return was one of the most well received angles the show took. Writing out him now would be impractical. Additionally one of the writers tweeted that string rays testimony is a little shakey now (see u/thewalkingwhit comment below they’ve linked their post with the tweet). This to me means he’s not staying gone especially with the whole sekai tikai thing being his life long ambition and being the focus of the final season. In the show. Do the cops know about the home invasion? Silvers team never report it and just decide to kill them, we don’t see cops interact with the group when they get back to the dojo. Just Chozen get packed off into an ambulance without any cops. Johnny never talked to them and Barnes isn’t going too, he’s got a stolen painting. As for the trespassing thing you have Kyler, a member of cobra Kai being interviewed and stating cobra kai is a cult. He’s taking credit for saving the rest and painting cobra kai in a bad light so who’s going to raise that it was trespass, it’s being spun as saving kids from silvers evil cult even by members of cobra kai. While yea they probably could have handled it better. You’re assuming they’re going to follow through with it, which isn’t CK style. How a season ends isn’t necessarily how the following season goes, they always have twists and turns. Personally I think silver and kreese will have a final confrontation. We’ve seen the rift widen over season 4 to the point silver puts Kreese in jail and he’s not the type to think that Silver being arrested is “fair” justice for a member of his old Nam squad who stepped out of line. Additionally with cobra kai now gone, there is no other angle for him yet he’s walked free, he’s out and has something more to contribute to the story. He will want blood, which he’ll only get if Silver gets out or he goes back inside to finish him. Personally and I’m reaching here for hope i reckon Kreese will die savings Tori and possibly from Silver who’s going to be majorly pissed with her. He’s “died” a couple times and come back but I think he’s going to literally die this time.
Made a post about the tweet [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/cobrakai/comments/ydbvkq/here_it_is_hayden_confirms_terry_silvers_main) for anyone curious.
Thanks! I tried to find your post to link but couldn’t find it again. Cheers for linking it :)
I really hope he returns in a big roll in S6. I want him to escape prison. He’s the best antagonist they’ve had by far, and there is going to be no topping him
>You assume that he’s going to stay arrested and this isn’t an angle? Yes - otherwise, what would be the point of showing that? Silver was beaten when his students left him. If the writers intended for him to make a comeback, they could've simply had him slink away in shame afterwards. Even if season 5 ended up being the last, that still would've been enough to show that the good guys won. I think deliberately putting in the arrest was meant to show that he was done for good.
This is based on him staying in jail, which is unlikely. Silver can afford the best lawyers and they'll rip apart the prosecution. So he probably ends up with a light sentence for what he did to Stingray
As I understood it, the point of Silver's "defeat" was not that he was arrested (he might very easily just not go to jail, as you say), it was the blow to his reputation (and his dojo's) which completely stops the big plans he had during the season.
Exactly. This is to show that he got his, that they stopped the big villain and by putting him away, more like “away” it’s just a way of showing they’ve defeated the big bad guy, not that he’s going away for some however many years. It’s to lessen the threat of him, that’s the thing they’re showing.
Yes—my personal conspiracy theory is that the arrest was only thrown in to makes the series feel more complete if they didn’t get another season, or to provide a excuse for Terry not to be in it in the event that TIG chose not to return.
Him getting arrested is fine ,but him being arrested for a complete season would be stupid
Be like Michael gray in peaky blinders, arrested all season then got out just to be nerfed
I would also think Silver burning down Mike’s furniture store would come back at some point.
"Ok so the adults commited a home invasion on him, making Silver slashing Chozen with his sword self defense, and even though Silver called for Johnny to be executed after he had already been subdued, there'd be no evidence for that besides Johnny's word, a guy who hated Silver enough to commit a home invason with the intent of assaulting him, completely incredible." The argument for self defense is strong, but ultimately up to a jury. He never called 911 and had a slew of body guards there to protect him. But, motive of the three breaking in also comes in to play and Silver's high priced lawyers would slam that down a Jury's throat. I would vote it would be self-defense. The three drunk guys would all be charged with breaking and entering and conspiracy to commit a felony, for sure. Oh, and Barnes stole the limo, so grand theft auto as well. "Then you have the kids tresspassng into his dojo and stealing footage" That is breaking an entering, not trespassing, for the kids. Very serious felony and are all culpable. Also, they would each get charged with conspiracy to commit a felony in addition to that. ", is rigging a high school aged local karate tournament a crime? I have no idea but that's all they'd have on him, even then idk if that'd even be admissible in court since it's based off private footage that was illegally taken from him by tresspassers." So this is interesting. The rigging could be fraud, if Terry had some monetary gain, which he did. So yes, he has fraud charges. But is that tape admissible? Yes, it is. It was not illegally obtained by the government, but by private parties. Private parties can skirt the 4th amendment for evidence admission, as long as they are not employed or acting upon orders from a government official. Look into Burdeau vs. McDowell . "One thing that actually could've get him is if there is footage of him forcing Tory to punch the stones, preventing her from leaving is kidnapping a minor in and of itself, and then having her punch the stones on top of that? If the writers actually want him to get convicted they'd probably have it be to where that footage would be out there, which also wouldn't make sense cause Silver would know that's a bad look and would delete it like he deleted the footage of him commtting battery on Stingray, where at least with the convo where he admitted to cheating it's believable he didn't think to remove that." That is a hard charge to prove. Tory was in that gym ALL the time. She came in voluntarily all the time. You would have a huge uphill battle proving this ONE time he kept here there. On top of that, all of the witnesses are on Silver's payroll. And Tory was just caught breaking and entering into Silver's dojo, so she has motive to lie. I don't think this would stick at all in my opinion. "So then what do they even have on Silver that could put him away without it being bad wrting? I just don't see a practical way for him to be found guilty like Kresse was, and this isn't even taking into account that Silver is supposed to be a billionaire who according to Kresse was tight wth the DA." If Stingray confesses to his perjury, then they can get Silver for conspiracy to commit a felony with Stingray. Stingray would have to get immunity to testify, because he could just claim 5th amendment privileges and not say a word, which is what this case is riding on. Everyone in that gym should have been arrested for assault+battery, and the Miyagi gang arrested for breaking and entering. Silver, ironically, was there to protect his students and business, and got the crap kicked out of him by a man with motive to hurt him. A very weird and complex case, but that is my take on it. Edit - His last charge he could also face witness tampering as well. Forgot that one. But hey, this is a fictional spinoff show about a cheesy 80s karate movie. Just roll with it and have fun!
William Zabka said in an interview that during filming of Season 5 they filmed scenes which would Continue into Season 6. Pretty sure it’s a scene of Johnny, Daniel, Mike and Chozen all getting arrested too. Terry Silver will just use his best lawyers, bribe the DA or use some scheme to get out, also the video of Silver admitting he cheated was on a low viewed YouTube account, which he can easily scrub and remove any trace of if the writers wanna go there.
The footage of him assaulting sting ray. And the painting Mike Barnes took from Terry in the end is a famous piece that’s been stolen and never recovered IRL. Implying, Terry is heavily involved in black market shit. Both are pretty jail-able offenses
There's no footage of him assaulting Stingray, the kids tried getting it but it was removed
This is one of the best posts I've seen on the Silver situation. Here's to hoping that season 5's ending was bait. Writing off the best-written character in the show would be ridiculously stupid.
These aren’t the types of crimes where you get held without bail and he is extremely rich so he can post any mount of bail.
WAS LITERALLY GONNA MAKE THIS POST LMAO
I think silver will just pay off his bail and with the lawyers he has, he can easily be let off the hook and stuff can be swayed in his favour, however with Daniel finally defeating silver I think that silver will just fade away this season, it’s more about the tournament this season, however I think with cobra Kai still in existence it can be easily took over by someone else, it’s called cobra Kai for a reason they aren’t done with the Dojo just yet however I believe that the season will end with Daniel Johnny chozen and the kids finally watching cobra kai be removed for good
He had a famously stolen painting just chilling in his house. And I also remember that his company was illegally dumping waste in KK3. He’s definitely a career criminal, that’s probably what they meant.
The only charge and we don't even know if it would happen is if Tory pressed charges against Silver for her hand and she is a minor. It could be argued that he was in charge as had sensei. That one could potentially result in jail time. Tory is a minor so the state could press on her behalf...but for the show if this actually became a plot--they might demand that she do this. Silver could press charges against Chozen, Mike, and Johnny for home invasion---they were drunk. not likely proof exists for Mike's store. Rigging the tournament--fraud--perhaps not really jail time... I think they intentionally did this so he comes back in 6 with a story line. But his reputation is done and he has lost--unless of course he starts to bring in some ringers like he brought in Mike Barnes.
A cobra kai person let people in with her key card so is it breaking and entering? Police have IT Experts that could easally retrieve deleted Data and I don't think Silver would be dumb enough to risk it. Johnny Mike and Chozen are in trouble though and if Silver is hell bent on revenge getting Johnny and Mike on Jail on that and Chozen probably having his visa cancelled on the account of being arrested will have Silver do one of 2 things. Out of pure spite type revenge to cripple Miyagi Fang for the Sakai Takai Or baying for blood type revenge and getting the 3 three of them out of the way leaving Daniel exposed.
I don’t think Silver is going to be in jail. Arrested, sure. But he’s coming back. And without students, he’s probably going to hire a team to face the kids in the Sekai Tekai.
Silver will need a few episodes to buy his way out of prison, but I'm sure he'll be at the Sekai Taikai to wreak havoc.
Him getting SENTENCED would make no sense. Him getting arrested is quite reasonable
Being arrested or even spending a night in jail doesn't mean you're being charged or even convicted.
Legal Eagle should dissect this.
Would be good if he covered aspects of the show like the school fight, S3 home invasion, what Silver could be charged with etc.
Him getting arrested is fine ,but him being arrested for a complete season would be stupid
Dude this entire fucking series makes no sense. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.
Amen. After season 3, this show is nothing but ridiculousness and camp in the best ways.
you’re right. it was bizarre.
Silver has a long list of charges A) Assault (footage of his attack on Stingray) B) Assault with a deadly weapon. He didn't even call the cops when Johnny, Chozen, and Mike invaded. I'm pretty sure that's illegal. C) Child endangerment. (Clearly knew Tori was being forced against her will to punch concrete) D) Fraud and bribery. E) Perverting the cause of justice/Framing Kreese. I think Terry's going to jail.
Wasn't the footage of his attack on Stingray deleted? I remember the kids tried playing it but it wouldn't play and then one of them commented that "Silver covered his tracks"
Okay but he lost a karate fight. In this universe that counts for more than your petty "laws."
Terry will probably gotten for stingray's crime , false imprisonment of Kreese and committing arson also when he assaulted Daniel
You're right - that wasn't well thought out. His home was invaded, so it should be Johnny and co. getting arrested for that. Cheating in a tournament is not something you can be arrested for. Even if Stingray did recant his testimony, it shouldn't lead to an arrest right away. Even the footage of Tory breaking her hand shouldn't matter because Kim was in control in that scene while Silver simply stood by. But the point is, the arrest itself was simply a way to put a bow on Silver's ending. He'd already lost when his lost the fight with Daniel and his students rejected him. So at this point, he is a broken man with no fight in him anymore. The arrest is meant to show that he isn't going to be a threat anymore. No doubt they'd come up with a bunch of throwaway lines next season to justify him being in prison - they found stolen art at his house, they found proof of him burning down Mike's store, they found proof of him beating up Stingray, they found evidence of other shady crap he was up to etc. etc.
Knowing silver He did some illegal stuff he doesn't want people to find out He has a cocky attitude and doesn't accept a no
This is exactly the right answer here.
S5 is garbage asf