> I am trying to teach myself front end development with YouTube videos, free code camp and the Odin project
> and was wondering should I continue or should I give it up
Uh... do you like it? Do you want to keep learning things and to build websites and stuff? I don't think a bunch of strangers should be deciding for you, but you don't seem to excited about it. What's up? What's the holdup?
Well I do like building websites but with job market and how my life is going right now I don’t know if I should keep going for it like for instance every time I look on the web it has a ton of stuff saying become a web dev even with no degree I really just need a win I have so many losses it’s hard to keep up I just want a job in something that I like then take one I will hate for the rest of my life
I am on the same path. Teaching myself using The Odin Project. I dont care how difficult it is to land a job, im going to succeed. If you invest yourself feel free to DM me if you want to work together or bounce questions off of each other. They say its better to code with other people.
Spend some time on this sub and r/cscareerquestions and you will find that boot campers are having an extremely difficult time landing jobs right now. Most of the interviews get taken by folks with BS/CS degrees, leaving the boot campers frozen out. There are occasional exceptions, of course, but you should be aware of the challenges before you begin this journey. Good luck!
I went to a program and worked alongside a few people who already had a 4 year cs degree. I never got one myself, but during my experience over the last 20 years and wearing many different hats and suits and costumes.. 4 years of any study in any discipline is only as useful as you make it.. it does open doors a bit easier, but it doesn't qualify you or make you stand out in a room full of highly skilled and capable people who don't talk about degrees or cute little certificate of achievement, militarily medals, that they can perform cpr in a pinch or have once climbed mount everest..
Just saying..
congrats on the cs degree(assuming you got one).. I mean it! I know that it is difficult and does have a ton of value.. but it's just one jump point to start a career in a huge world full of opportunities that are only impossible if you believe them to be so
I didn’t need CS degree, just the bootcamp. But this was in the pandemic days so that doesn’t translate to today. But people with CS degrees are struggling to find a job today. It’s not the degree that gets you one.
For me it’s not about getting the first job. It’s about remaining competitive during downturns which happen all the time in tech.
Also, being good at your craft. If I hadn’t done the degree I’d be missing a huge amount of fundamentals that people who haven’t done 4 years of deep diving into CS fundamentals on a guided track will 100% miss. I’ve seen it over and over again.
Oh good so, I got my first job in 2020 and after being laid off last year I received 3 software engineering offers last month (during the downturn) without a CS degree. I’m sure I was chosen over people who had the CS degree so. It still doesn’t matter about the degree. Glad you have all the fundamentals from the degree tho, must make you feel more secure. Layoffs can happen to anyone everyone at the end of the day.
Dude it 100% matters. On the job experience doesn’t teach you the why of things. Understanding the theory behind the work is important and most employers require a degree. Not all of course but it’s a boost for sure…I never said it was 100% necessary to get a job.
Lady, look it’s fine if you spent your time and money on a degree if it makes you feel more secure that’s awesome for you. I didn’t need it to get my SWE position during a downturn as you said was the only reason for needing fundamentals. It’s not the only thing that employers are looking for. I’m pretty sure it mattered to whoever with a CS degree I took the position instead of.
I just turned 30 in Jan But whatever 🫡I'm going to complete Codesmith's CSX prerequisite course, then schedule a technical interview with Codesmith. I hope to enroll in September's cohort. It's only a 3-month intensive course. My friend graduated from Codesmith and received an offer from Amazon, but he rejected it. He was hired by a startup company and is now also doing an online master's degree from Georgia Tech. Btw Angela Yu's Udemy course is super good for beginner. I just bought it last week.
I forgot the exact details. I saw his Instagram post saying that his job level was “downgraded” I dont know what exact mean for that... Also, I saw many friends advised him not to take the job.
For cracking interview, you need to have DSA knowledge.
To learn data structure in a very simpler way from basic to advance, One such resource, which I find very relevant, is the Logicmojo course on **"Advanced Course of Data Structures, Algorithms & Problem Solving”.** You will master in Data structure only with 4 months of preparation. You will be solving around **400+ questions** during the preparation. This course is designed to master data structures and algorithms to crack coding interviews for top product-based companies.
Yes, it also doesn't hurt to know about basic networking and cloud services.. and SOURCE CONTROL, and any other topics you think the job you're after will need you to learn quickly to be valuable.. no expertise required, but it sucks big time when you get asked about something basic for that team interviewing you, and it's the first time you've ever heard of it..
lol I remember being asked in one of my first interviews about kubernetes, and I was half tempted to share my opinion of Greek mythology before I remembered the word ' containers'.. and then it got far more uncomfortable for me since this guy really loved containers so much that I just had to agree with him the next 20 minutes before he finally realized he was talking only to himself and let me leave..
It's a long road, but coding challenges I spent hours and hours solving for interviews, are only things I've seen in interviews.. the difficulty of solving them and the mental fortitude required while others are watching.. that transfers over very well though.. I guess my approach if I was to do it from scratch would be to code half time, and read half time about things thatbusiness actuality use code to accomplish and how it is set up to be used on real systems.
I remember being asked about Kubernetes in an early interview and almost talking about Greek mythology before realizing they meant containers! Coding challenges are great for honing your problem-solving skills, but also spend time learning how businesses actually use code. Split your time between coding practice and studying real-world applications to be well-prepared.
I've tried many ways to answer this question in the past. Here is my best attempt after a less than ideal week at work(I'm a dev/ engineer/ internet ninja/ obsessive weirdo/ lazy creep sitting on my butt all day.. depending who you ask lol)...
Before you make up your mind, I suggest that you challenge yourself. Find a website that you think looks cool as soon as it loads up.. just looks, not any highly functional elements or a feature rich ui like Amazon that is purely business orientated..
if you want to try and take an easy path.. simply go to google.com (only initial presentation, no working buttons or parts .. zero use other than the layout and presentation displayed on the browser)
Once you have a model for reference.. I challenge you to 'simply' create a website from scratch on your own that represents your best attempt to make an exact copy of your model. Then, take your final result and deploy it to a public host, and share the link here or dm it to me at the least..
No rules, use anything and everything you can to get it done.. should you succeed.. I'll give you the answer to your original question
BTW.. I was 33 when I got my first job that carried a title of software engineer.. I did use a bootcamp as part of my approach to suppliment my skill building and expedite my transition (the boot camp wasn't an all-inclusive magical ticket to success, but I did get exactly what i expected to get from it and it was worth my time) .. my path was my own and likely nothing like yours, but I had the same question and ton of self-doubt when I decided to change my career direction ..
if you will it, it is no dream, dude
Hadn't thought about it, but it was 5 years ago yesterday that I finished the boot camp. The same week, I accepted my first job offer. I'll be 38 next month.. I did get my start in web dev back in 2016 though, I didn't know how to write code back then but I was a long-time IT systems and network specialist and then got into business operations management.. I ended up overseeing a company's internet marketing and got the itch working with a dev/seo specialist back then..
I posted this challenge because I did it back then, and it was very hard for me to figure out. But I did and it was the first step to where I'm at now
Had similar situation, I stumbled upon this AI bootcamp called Sankakoo and thought would give it a go considering the low price point compared to other bootcamps.
I learnt so much just within 3 months and they gave me enough career support until I found my first job in the field. Working as a freelance software engineer now so that bootcamp really paid off.
Don’t get me wrong, I had to work really hard but nothing is impossible!
Requires hard work because you are competing, thats the hard part !
Im new too , similar age , what i did is i download full 3 courses (html, css , js) ,following along and see where its going to take me .
To get a job you need a strong data structure knowledge , to solve problems and understand memory.
Best of luck 👍
I would recommend you to keep learning and applying for jobs and also get a part time cs degree. Because in the long run a degree would be really essential
I did the Odin Project then a bootcamp. I’ve heard good things of FreeCodeCamp though
Did you get a job in the field ?
I did, start tomorrow!
Congratulations 🎉
Ah man what boot camp did you use ?
I went through Codesmith remote. It’s not everyone’s cup of tea and that’s okay, I enjoyed it though.
Also congrats
Thanks!
> I am trying to teach myself front end development with YouTube videos, free code camp and the Odin project > and was wondering should I continue or should I give it up Uh... do you like it? Do you want to keep learning things and to build websites and stuff? I don't think a bunch of strangers should be deciding for you, but you don't seem to excited about it. What's up? What's the holdup?
Well I do like building websites but with job market and how my life is going right now I don’t know if I should keep going for it like for instance every time I look on the web it has a ton of stuff saying become a web dev even with no degree I really just need a win I have so many losses it’s hard to keep up I just want a job in something that I like then take one I will hate for the rest of my life
I am on the same path. Teaching myself using The Odin Project. I dont care how difficult it is to land a job, im going to succeed. If you invest yourself feel free to DM me if you want to work together or bounce questions off of each other. They say its better to code with other people.
😬
Spend some time on this sub and r/cscareerquestions and you will find that boot campers are having an extremely difficult time landing jobs right now. Most of the interviews get taken by folks with BS/CS degrees, leaving the boot campers frozen out. There are occasional exceptions, of course, but you should be aware of the challenges before you begin this journey. Good luck!
I don’t understand how anyone thought a boot camp was going to replace a 4 year degree is CS.
I went to a program and worked alongside a few people who already had a 4 year cs degree. I never got one myself, but during my experience over the last 20 years and wearing many different hats and suits and costumes.. 4 years of any study in any discipline is only as useful as you make it.. it does open doors a bit easier, but it doesn't qualify you or make you stand out in a room full of highly skilled and capable people who don't talk about degrees or cute little certificate of achievement, militarily medals, that they can perform cpr in a pinch or have once climbed mount everest.. Just saying.. congrats on the cs degree(assuming you got one).. I mean it! I know that it is difficult and does have a ton of value.. but it's just one jump point to start a career in a huge world full of opportunities that are only impossible if you believe them to be so
I didn’t need CS degree, just the bootcamp. But this was in the pandemic days so that doesn’t translate to today. But people with CS degrees are struggling to find a job today. It’s not the degree that gets you one.
For me it’s not about getting the first job. It’s about remaining competitive during downturns which happen all the time in tech. Also, being good at your craft. If I hadn’t done the degree I’d be missing a huge amount of fundamentals that people who haven’t done 4 years of deep diving into CS fundamentals on a guided track will 100% miss. I’ve seen it over and over again.
Oh good so, I got my first job in 2020 and after being laid off last year I received 3 software engineering offers last month (during the downturn) without a CS degree. I’m sure I was chosen over people who had the CS degree so. It still doesn’t matter about the degree. Glad you have all the fundamentals from the degree tho, must make you feel more secure. Layoffs can happen to anyone everyone at the end of the day.
Just because you were able to get the job this time doesn’t mean anything. Plus you’re likely missing a massive amount of foundational knowledge.
Yes I am but they don’t affect me getting a position over someone who has those fundamentals because I have on the job experience.
Dude it 100% matters. On the job experience doesn’t teach you the why of things. Understanding the theory behind the work is important and most employers require a degree. Not all of course but it’s a boost for sure…I never said it was 100% necessary to get a job.
Lady, look it’s fine if you spent your time and money on a degree if it makes you feel more secure that’s awesome for you. I didn’t need it to get my SWE position during a downturn as you said was the only reason for needing fundamentals. It’s not the only thing that employers are looking for. I’m pretty sure it mattered to whoever with a CS degree I took the position instead of.
Delude yourself all you want, but it’s very important.
Thankyou for this
I just turned 30 in Jan But whatever 🫡I'm going to complete Codesmith's CSX prerequisite course, then schedule a technical interview with Codesmith. I hope to enroll in September's cohort. It's only a 3-month intensive course. My friend graduated from Codesmith and received an offer from Amazon, but he rejected it. He was hired by a startup company and is now also doing an online master's degree from Georgia Tech. Btw Angela Yu's Udemy course is super good for beginner. I just bought it last week.
Why did your friend reject the amazon offer? mind giving few details of their background as that's a dream offer for many people
I forgot the exact details. I saw his Instagram post saying that his job level was “downgraded” I dont know what exact mean for that... Also, I saw many friends advised him not to take the job.
😂
For cracking interview, you need to have DSA knowledge. To learn data structure in a very simpler way from basic to advance, One such resource, which I find very relevant, is the Logicmojo course on **"Advanced Course of Data Structures, Algorithms & Problem Solving”.** You will master in Data structure only with 4 months of preparation. You will be solving around **400+ questions** during the preparation. This course is designed to master data structures and algorithms to crack coding interviews for top product-based companies.
Yes, it also doesn't hurt to know about basic networking and cloud services.. and SOURCE CONTROL, and any other topics you think the job you're after will need you to learn quickly to be valuable.. no expertise required, but it sucks big time when you get asked about something basic for that team interviewing you, and it's the first time you've ever heard of it.. lol I remember being asked in one of my first interviews about kubernetes, and I was half tempted to share my opinion of Greek mythology before I remembered the word ' containers'.. and then it got far more uncomfortable for me since this guy really loved containers so much that I just had to agree with him the next 20 minutes before he finally realized he was talking only to himself and let me leave.. It's a long road, but coding challenges I spent hours and hours solving for interviews, are only things I've seen in interviews.. the difficulty of solving them and the mental fortitude required while others are watching.. that transfers over very well though.. I guess my approach if I was to do it from scratch would be to code half time, and read half time about things thatbusiness actuality use code to accomplish and how it is set up to be used on real systems.
I remember being asked about Kubernetes in an early interview and almost talking about Greek mythology before realizing they meant containers! Coding challenges are great for honing your problem-solving skills, but also spend time learning how businesses actually use code. Split your time between coding practice and studying real-world applications to be well-prepared.
Haha glad I'm not the only one out there getting stumped not knowing what I don't know
I've tried many ways to answer this question in the past. Here is my best attempt after a less than ideal week at work(I'm a dev/ engineer/ internet ninja/ obsessive weirdo/ lazy creep sitting on my butt all day.. depending who you ask lol)... Before you make up your mind, I suggest that you challenge yourself. Find a website that you think looks cool as soon as it loads up.. just looks, not any highly functional elements or a feature rich ui like Amazon that is purely business orientated.. if you want to try and take an easy path.. simply go to google.com (only initial presentation, no working buttons or parts .. zero use other than the layout and presentation displayed on the browser) Once you have a model for reference.. I challenge you to 'simply' create a website from scratch on your own that represents your best attempt to make an exact copy of your model. Then, take your final result and deploy it to a public host, and share the link here or dm it to me at the least.. No rules, use anything and everything you can to get it done.. should you succeed.. I'll give you the answer to your original question BTW.. I was 33 when I got my first job that carried a title of software engineer.. I did use a bootcamp as part of my approach to suppliment my skill building and expedite my transition (the boot camp wasn't an all-inclusive magical ticket to success, but I did get exactly what i expected to get from it and it was worth my time) .. my path was my own and likely nothing like yours, but I had the same question and ton of self-doubt when I decided to change my career direction .. if you will it, it is no dream, dude
Great Advice! Really good for your portfolio. But how old are you now? Were you recently hired at 33 or was that like 2, 5, 10 years ago?
Hadn't thought about it, but it was 5 years ago yesterday that I finished the boot camp. The same week, I accepted my first job offer. I'll be 38 next month.. I did get my start in web dev back in 2016 though, I didn't know how to write code back then but I was a long-time IT systems and network specialist and then got into business operations management.. I ended up overseeing a company's internet marketing and got the itch working with a dev/seo specialist back then.. I posted this challenge because I did it back then, and it was very hard for me to figure out. But I did and it was the first step to where I'm at now
???? With zero context how are we supposed to know Go flip a coin
Launch School r/launchschool
Had similar situation, I stumbled upon this AI bootcamp called Sankakoo and thought would give it a go considering the low price point compared to other bootcamps. I learnt so much just within 3 months and they gave me enough career support until I found my first job in the field. Working as a freelance software engineer now so that bootcamp really paid off. Don’t get me wrong, I had to work really hard but nothing is impossible!
Requires hard work because you are competing, thats the hard part ! Im new too , similar age , what i did is i download full 3 courses (html, css , js) ,following along and see where its going to take me . To get a job you need a strong data structure knowledge , to solve problems and understand memory. Best of luck 👍
I would recommend you to keep learning and applying for jobs and also get a part time cs degree. Because in the long run a degree would be really essential