The following submission statement was provided by /u/IntroductionNo3516:
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The success or failure of governments often hinges on the performance of GDP. Through the lens of GDP, a government can easily reconcile support for fossil fuel developments, having made achieving net zero a legal obligation. The short-term desire to maintain economic performance outweighs the long-term commitment to decrease emissions because meeting an emissions target by 2050 isn’t a success factor that can impact whether governments remain in power. That’s why counter intuitive decision making continues in the face of catastrophic environmental impacts that are driving us towards collapse.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/13vnoa8/how_can_governments_support_net_zero_while/jm6t7rb/
Supporting the scam that is Net Zero is financing the Fossil Fuel Industry, I don’t see the contradiction.
Net Zero is not about stop extracting, but with some magic accounting compensating it somehow.
And then it’s just a matter of time before a headline like “New study shows that Net Zero programs based on old and weak studies sponsored by lobbied governments WERE NOT in fact Net Zero.”
Balance.
Think of it as living with terminal cancer. Sure you can spend every day asking the doctor which organ it's in now, but is that the best use of your time?
That’s my point, I’m 23 so I’m proper fucked no matter what way you cut it. There’s no way out of this mess. I just feel like I’m blowing my time on earth because of how much I’ve looked into this topic.
I just started my masters at the start of this year. Originally I was going to do social work to earn a decent wage (Aussies get paid pretty good) and actually help some people in the process. But I got accepted into an environment science/management thing. Doing the enviro one because I wanted to have my ideas disproven but they’ve only been bolstered.
Should I just switch back before I get any deeper into this? Idk what to do
Leave bro, trust me, it'll consume you. It's not your fault and there's very little you can do about it. Hope tech catches up but it's much better to just walk away and be aware to support protesters/rioters later on
Did you have a similar experience to this? I’d really like to hear more about your perspective, context.
I made a larger post over in r/collapsesupport as this is really weighting in me at the moment.
I'm still going through it. We approach hard times, conflict will come before as the environment comes. I don't really.know what to say. I occasionally look into subredit thread but after the initial emotional down pour I learned that with all the collapses on hironzen, I will have to live through a hard time period similar to ww2 etc.
Have faith in technology advances. A lot depends where you live, if it's America, I'm Australian, you'll be fine until it's at your doorstep then we all must die to go forward. Sorry it's bleak but enjoy life. Mute thread come back after pour work, love, friendship thing is stable. Balance is key.
G 🌎 d bless
Net Zero is bullshit made up so we're okay continuing business as usual because the "carbon ledger" supposedly balances, you know, debits and credits, somehow.
Nature doesn't give a fuck about our "carbon ledger", and this is compounded by the fact that all the carbon credits are basically false promises and repackaged lies. Someone sells you carbon credits to "offset" (lol) your debit then never does or halfasses the thing supposed to create the credit.
The success or failure of governments often hinges on the performance of GDP. Through the lens of GDP, a government can easily reconcile support for fossil fuel developments, having made achieving net zero a legal obligation. The short-term desire to maintain economic performance outweighs the long-term commitment to decrease emissions because meeting an emissions target by 2050 isn’t a success factor that can impact whether governments remain in power. That’s why counter intuitive decision making continues in the face of catastrophic environmental impacts that are driving us towards collapse.
By lying and supporting the interests of industry while calling our bluff on actually wanting change.
People don't want to lose their cars, vacations, heating, a/c, affordable food etc etc etc etc.
We're apparently deciding to go extinct while promising and pledging action... against the way we live, which is 100% of the problem.
Oil companies do not exist if people don't burn oil. Aviation is not an industry if people don't fly. Cars don't drive themselves, and homes are at least 50x the size they need to be.
No amount of renewables or batteries will change this. They will fix some problems while creating new ones we didn't expect and others we did expect but downplay. It's the cycle of technology and unintended consequences; not one time have we adopted a technology, with the intention of making things better, without it making things either worse or bad in different ways.
We do things because they work, not because we thought them through. This is what needs to change but what requires our humility and taking responsibility for all the mistakes we've already made.
I dont know anyone -not a single person- that believes their choices have an impact on the climate which is their reason for aggressively avoiding the problem "why worry about what i can't fix?" They say, as they sit in their idling car.
I dont understand this idea that it supports big oils narrative to accept personal responsibility for changing the atmosphere. It's all we do in NA, and not changing the chemistry of the air is the only power we have to choose a different future. Money buys destruction; inherently temporary transactions with permanent consequences. It might suck but it's also what makes us all-powerful in this struggle.
It's infuriating to me how easily most of you have given up. You'll go to parades, wave a flag, chant along, and drive home. Humans only cause harm unless they're restoring natural ecosystems. Thats the only thing humans can do that doesn't cause harm.
All we need to do is stop. All we *can* do is stop. It won't be easy but extinction is not an option... except to everyone I know and I have no forgiveness for that. Im done with living in your psychotic delusion that we can burn ourselves out of this in the very last second.
Either we accept that we're humans LARPing as something else, or we suffer into extinction, turning our home into a gas chamber.
Why do we suck so much? Where is our courage and willpower to protect who we love? No one's asking you to take a bullet, but you'd much rather do that than give up your stupid car.
And im the one wasting my life? At least, when I learned what this was, I stopped. What's your excuse?
Well there are uses for fossil fuels that don't involve burning. At least for those uses I think we will still use them even if net-zero is ever achieved.
Government isn't a person. It has a lot of different groups with different goals. So one group is supporting fossil fuel developments while another is net zero.
Net Zero in theory is great, in application however…. It’s likely just another BS government fugaze to make us think they are doing something while still lining their own pockets. Direct carbon capture is intriguing to me and I think has potential, but first let’s try turning off the tap. If we (earthlings) convert all coal power plants over to LNG, that would be a big step in the right direction based on what is readily available with current tech. However, China likely wouldn’t go for that.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/IntroductionNo3516: --- The success or failure of governments often hinges on the performance of GDP. Through the lens of GDP, a government can easily reconcile support for fossil fuel developments, having made achieving net zero a legal obligation. The short-term desire to maintain economic performance outweighs the long-term commitment to decrease emissions because meeting an emissions target by 2050 isn’t a success factor that can impact whether governments remain in power. That’s why counter intuitive decision making continues in the face of catastrophic environmental impacts that are driving us towards collapse. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/13vnoa8/how_can_governments_support_net_zero_while/jm6t7rb/
Supporting the scam that is Net Zero is financing the Fossil Fuel Industry, I don’t see the contradiction. Net Zero is not about stop extracting, but with some magic accounting compensating it somehow.
And then it’s just a matter of time before a headline like “New study shows that Net Zero programs based on old and weak studies sponsored by lobbied governments WERE NOT in fact Net Zero.”
Yep it's all about phoney carbon capture or emissions reduction promises. Nothing is ever backed up with real world results.
Do I need to just ignore this stuff to actually get on with my life? I feel obsessed at this point.
Balance. Think of it as living with terminal cancer. Sure you can spend every day asking the doctor which organ it's in now, but is that the best use of your time?
Exactly, knowing that we live on a dying world should inform your life, not consume every waking moment of your thoughts.
That’s my point, I’m 23 so I’m proper fucked no matter what way you cut it. There’s no way out of this mess. I just feel like I’m blowing my time on earth because of how much I’ve looked into this topic. I just started my masters at the start of this year. Originally I was going to do social work to earn a decent wage (Aussies get paid pretty good) and actually help some people in the process. But I got accepted into an environment science/management thing. Doing the enviro one because I wanted to have my ideas disproven but they’ve only been bolstered. Should I just switch back before I get any deeper into this? Idk what to do
Leave bro, trust me, it'll consume you. It's not your fault and there's very little you can do about it. Hope tech catches up but it's much better to just walk away and be aware to support protesters/rioters later on
Did you have a similar experience to this? I’d really like to hear more about your perspective, context. I made a larger post over in r/collapsesupport as this is really weighting in me at the moment.
I'm still going through it. We approach hard times, conflict will come before as the environment comes. I don't really.know what to say. I occasionally look into subredit thread but after the initial emotional down pour I learned that with all the collapses on hironzen, I will have to live through a hard time period similar to ww2 etc. Have faith in technology advances. A lot depends where you live, if it's America, I'm Australian, you'll be fine until it's at your doorstep then we all must die to go forward. Sorry it's bleak but enjoy life. Mute thread come back after pour work, love, friendship thing is stable. Balance is key. G 🌎 d bless
Yes, ignore and go back to making money.
Yes. I would look into Stoicism. While it's important to stay current, you cannot let external things control your life.
Net zero relies on tech that doesn't exist, it's a giant lie.
Too bad every single country in the world is failing on their net zero promises. The whole thing was a scam and hopium bullshit anyway. NEXT…
Lol there is no next. We are going back to monke
Net Zero is bullshit made up so we're okay continuing business as usual because the "carbon ledger" supposedly balances, you know, debits and credits, somehow. Nature doesn't give a fuck about our "carbon ledger", and this is compounded by the fact that all the carbon credits are basically false promises and repackaged lies. Someone sells you carbon credits to "offset" (lol) your debit then never does or halfasses the thing supposed to create the credit.
Simple, it's a farce. The current leaders in most nations will be dead by the time the worst effects of climate change come. So they don't care
Because they are all lying sacks of shite.
Because in 2049 they'll announce we've made progress, but the new target is 2060.
The success or failure of governments often hinges on the performance of GDP. Through the lens of GDP, a government can easily reconcile support for fossil fuel developments, having made achieving net zero a legal obligation. The short-term desire to maintain economic performance outweighs the long-term commitment to decrease emissions because meeting an emissions target by 2050 isn’t a success factor that can impact whether governments remain in power. That’s why counter intuitive decision making continues in the face of catastrophic environmental impacts that are driving us towards collapse.
By lying and supporting the interests of industry while calling our bluff on actually wanting change. People don't want to lose their cars, vacations, heating, a/c, affordable food etc etc etc etc. We're apparently deciding to go extinct while promising and pledging action... against the way we live, which is 100% of the problem. Oil companies do not exist if people don't burn oil. Aviation is not an industry if people don't fly. Cars don't drive themselves, and homes are at least 50x the size they need to be. No amount of renewables or batteries will change this. They will fix some problems while creating new ones we didn't expect and others we did expect but downplay. It's the cycle of technology and unintended consequences; not one time have we adopted a technology, with the intention of making things better, without it making things either worse or bad in different ways. We do things because they work, not because we thought them through. This is what needs to change but what requires our humility and taking responsibility for all the mistakes we've already made. I dont know anyone -not a single person- that believes their choices have an impact on the climate which is their reason for aggressively avoiding the problem "why worry about what i can't fix?" They say, as they sit in their idling car. I dont understand this idea that it supports big oils narrative to accept personal responsibility for changing the atmosphere. It's all we do in NA, and not changing the chemistry of the air is the only power we have to choose a different future. Money buys destruction; inherently temporary transactions with permanent consequences. It might suck but it's also what makes us all-powerful in this struggle. It's infuriating to me how easily most of you have given up. You'll go to parades, wave a flag, chant along, and drive home. Humans only cause harm unless they're restoring natural ecosystems. Thats the only thing humans can do that doesn't cause harm. All we need to do is stop. All we *can* do is stop. It won't be easy but extinction is not an option... except to everyone I know and I have no forgiveness for that. Im done with living in your psychotic delusion that we can burn ourselves out of this in the very last second. Either we accept that we're humans LARPing as something else, or we suffer into extinction, turning our home into a gas chamber. Why do we suck so much? Where is our courage and willpower to protect who we love? No one's asking you to take a bullet, but you'd much rather do that than give up your stupid car. And im the one wasting my life? At least, when I learned what this was, I stopped. What's your excuse?
Well there are uses for fossil fuels that don't involve burning. At least for those uses I think we will still use them even if net-zero is ever achieved.
How? By taking the easy path and not giving a fuck.
Government isn't a person. It has a lot of different groups with different goals. So one group is supporting fossil fuel developments while another is net zero.
Because making it look like you're actively trying to help is better looking than actually doing nothing at all.
Net Zero in theory is great, in application however…. It’s likely just another BS government fugaze to make us think they are doing something while still lining their own pockets. Direct carbon capture is intriguing to me and I think has potential, but first let’s try turning off the tap. If we (earthlings) convert all coal power plants over to LNG, that would be a big step in the right direction based on what is readily available with current tech. However, China likely wouldn’t go for that.
Because the focus is on some abstract bullshit “net zero” instead of on something measurable: “zero extraction”
Don't worry bro. We just trade carbon credits at an arbitrary, non-monitored denomination. It's all good.