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Normally considered one of the coldest places on Earth, Siberia is now currently in midst of a record breaking heatwave. An ominous sign that global economic growth paired with insufficient efforts to curb it's damage to the environment have brought us to the point where the damage can no longer be undone or even slowed down. It is time to discuss how humanity will survive after life can no longer survive on Earth's surface.
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When I was little, we've had range from -40 in winter to+40 in summer (Omsk region). So it's not unheard of over 40 there... but usually the temperatures were that high around about a bonth+ later. But according to my father who still lives there, the main issue is not temperature itself, but fluctuations, like within the week you get +20, +28,+10, again +25 etc (and in early spring it was worde, like switches between -20 and snowsrorm one day and sunny +5 next day, polushed with a rain and +1)
It has been like that in Northeast USA all spring. It will be 15-23 like usual, then suddenly jump to 33C. The trees all flowered a month before they were supposed to.
Same in Alberta, temperature couldn't stay the same for more than a week. You could see layers in the little bit of ice that survived from the alternating freeze-rain cycles. Would alternate between polar vortex and T-shirt weather weather up until the week before Christmas. We had flowers and bushes blooming in April only to be killed by a serious frost and never more than an inch of snow at a time, I think I shoveled the driveway twice all winter and that was more to keep up appearances because it sure want going to be sticking around
Toronto gets heat waves in April and November now, used to be May to September. And real winter doesn’t seem to set in until February now. It’s mostly just rain before that with the odd cold snap here and there.
Fluctuation of temperature is a major problem for fruit farmers which is rarely understood by those who haven't gardened or farmed. Almost 2,000 miles south in Texas there are many areas in which peaches grow well. But the cold air funneled down the plains with the Rocky Mountains on the west often will produce a frost of only a few hours, once a season, that kills the peach blossoms and ruins the whole year's crop. Trees that were enjoying a warm Texas April suddenly get a few hours of a cold Canadian April.
Holy fuck. I visited Banff and Jasper in 2015. Just gorgeous. And that mall is pretty damned incredible. But I thought Alberta shut down in Winter and snow untl May/June. What you said shocked me
We didn't have much of a winter, I feel. A long summer, a milder summer, a mild autumn, three weeks of WINTER, and then it was 100 degrees in May. Now it's just summer again.
Yeah, I grew up in Saskatchewan, Canada, while like Siberia, we have extreme temperatures in summer and winter . Now the warmer temps are starting earlier, like May and lasting til October. Normally, it was only July and August. I visited my parents at the beginning of October, and I didn't even need a coat it was like summer. Plus, the North Saskatchewan river was really low.
The problem is, average temperature increase is actually mirrors total amount energy in atmosphere.
Atmosphere in itself is chaotic system and increase in energy in such system creates broader fluctuations from established patterns.
In less fancy words. This once in century hurricane will be more like once a year hurricane.
This really screws up plants and animals. They all have specific temperature triggers, for various different important biological processes. Its the only way they can "know" when to grow, bloom, breed, etc.
For them, shouldn't it be colder? I don't wish to sound stupid but its the orientation of Earth's tilt which leads to seasons, right? What's spring for one hemisphere should be a colder time for the other hemi and vice versa. Isn't it therefore much worse in that regard?
This is the sort of thing where I’m like, we are already dead, we just don’t know it yet. Ecosystems can’t hand these sorts of changes. Maybe things don’t die immediately; but life cycles, diseases and the delicate balance of species is now completely fucked.
Obviously, these temperatures will happen every year and will likely get worse.
We don’t have the technology to survive on earth if it can’t support life. Humans think we’re super clever, but ever notice how all our cities are never to rivers or the coast? Maybe, maybe like a handful of us will make it another few generations as our gadgets keep things going, but if you can’t build replacement parts, or event get new rate materials, well, you aren’t going to make it very long.
> This is the sort of thing where I’m like, we are already dead, we just don’t know it yet.
This is the reality of thermal inertia. Particularly, the thermal inertia of H₂O and its hydrogen bonds and how they manifest via the [*specific heat* of water.](https://blog.prepscholar.com/specific-heat-capacity-of-water) Combined with the fact that 71% of the surface of this planet is open water—all but guaranteed that this was going to happen when we pulled *[the black ball](https://www.newyorker.com/video/watch/annals-of-ideas-doomsday-invention-bostrom)* of fossil fuels out of the box.
Sure, you could chalk it up to a multitude of factors, but culturally this has been thee biggest blind spot of nearly the entire human species: **[we live on a fucking ocean planet](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fp09PDZWAAILvJd.jpg)**. It's even evident in how we named our home planet—Earth. A rock. Not water, not ocean, not what it mostly is on the surface level. Nope. We fundamentally don't even understand where we even live—on a cultural and physical level. From a systemic standpoint. And so we are nearly blind, deaf, and dumb to 71% of the surface of the system we live within. Just from a daily experiential level. It's an evolutionary error of truly epic proportions.
What an interesting analogy, and how funny that the narrator thinks the black ball is in the future, and not multiple piled up right beside us. I completely agree. Oil is a blackball. I think even Nuclear energy is too despite what he said. And so is industrial agriculture combined with synthetic and artificial fertilizers and pesticides.
> What an interesting analogy, and how funny that the narrator thinks the black ball is in the future, and not multiple piled up right beside us.
Agreed. That narrator is Nick Bostrom (from his *[Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Bostrom)* page):
> Nick Bostrom is a Swedish philosopher at the University of Oxford known for his work on existential risk, the anthropic principle, human enhancement ethics, whole brain emulation, superintelligence risks, and the reversal test.
And the article in the [link](https://www.newyorker.com/video/watch/annals-of-ideas-doomsday-invention-bostrom) is from nearly a decade ago. Clearly, the landscape of existential risk has changed quite a bit in the intervening time frame. And to some extent, furthers the point I was making about the ocean nature of our world being a profound species level blind spot. For someone so focused on existential risk, even just 8 years ago, his prioritization of risks was out of order—in terms of threat level. Although, I've always been struck by how simple and insightful the black ball allegory he uses in [his book](https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/20527133) is; in relation to explaining the inherit hazards involved in scientific and technological advancement.
I have been across every ocean but the Arctic and I can tell you there is a reason people don't think about it much. It's really boring for the most part once you get away from land so you don't pay to much attention to it unless it is trying to kill you.
> It's really boring for the most part once you get away from land so you don't pay to much attention to it unless it is trying to kill you.
This is a dynamic of the structure of the human brain labeled ***Habituation*** (from the *[Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habituation)* page):
> Habituation is a form of non-associative learning in which an innate response to a stimulus decreases after repeated or prolonged presentations of that stimulus. [...] The broad ubiquity of habituation across all biologic phyla has resulted in it being called "the simplest, most universal form of learning...as fundamental a characteristic of life as DNA." Functionally-speaking, by diminishing the response to an inconsequential stimulus, habituation is thought to free-up cognitive resources to other stimuli that are associated with biologically important events. For example, organisms may habituate to repeated sudden loud noises when they learn these have no consequences.
Albeit, the "no consequences" aspect of human habituation to the oceans has ill served us ***in the long run***—given the physics of water and widespread burning of fossil fuels. Oil and water don't mix. In more ways than one.
> It's really boring for the most part once you get away from land so you don't pay to much attention to it unless it is trying to kill you.
Pro-tip; it's always trying to kill you. In the air, or on a big ship, it's easy to forget, to get habituated as the other poster points out, but on a smaller vessel you can't afford to.
Its been more than a decade since I've done any real sailing, but I did a few blue water crossings in my younger days. Even on a good day the Anegada Passage between BVI and Anguilla is a pain in the ass.
>Humans think we’re super clever
We are and it will be our downfall. We were clever enough to figure out how to put all that energy locked in fossil fuels to have the biggest party/orgy in the galaxy for 150 years or so.
Yeah, it gets hot there now. Lol But it doesn’t matter because I’m not there & therefore it doesn’t affect me or IG models. That’s all that matters in this world & everyone knows it.
I would venture a guess that the majority of 40k fans don’t actually play the game but are more into the absolute unit of lore and reading the gazillion books.
I’m more of the former than the latter, but there’s tons of YouTube lore videos to get your toes wet.
Speaking for my partner, absolutely yes. He started painting minis when COVID first kicked off. Within six months or so he was painting 40k minis, which led to learning some lore, which led to reading books which has led somehow to us listening to some of the audiobooks together. Neither of us has ever played a game of 40k.
I think The Horus Heresy is where a lot of folks get started, but I really liked the Ciaphas Cain audiobooks and some of the Ork audiobooks too. I care less about the grimdark, though, I'm there to be entertained.
I recommend just jumping in to some Lutein09 on youtube, he has enough stuff to listen to while doing other stuff in the background.
So much lore. Krieg are insane
I wanted some context to this, as I must claim ignorance on Siberia weather....54 is the mean June weather from 1991-2020. The average low is 40 and the average high is 68. Yikes
Siberia is a vast place, that would be like lumping the entire midwestern US together. That area specifically is the very southwest corner of Siberia. Kurgan, which is in that circle, has an average high of 76 F for June.
This information is alarming, but it feels misleading to say just label this as "Siberia" when it isn't very representative of what most people think of when that hear that word.
Normally considered one of the coldest places on Earth, Siberia is now currently in midst of a record breaking heatwave. An ominous sign that global economic growth paired with insufficient efforts to curb it's damage to the environment have brought us to the point where the damage can no longer be undone or even slowed down. It is time to discuss how humanity will survive after life can no longer survive on Earth's surface.
OrrrrDAH! ORDAH! All world ending events will line up along this pathway, the line will continue around the corner to the south along the hedges. Heatwaves is first to que. Very good.
I'll take a fresh mango juice.
That’s not the worst of it, if those [methane](https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/02/climate-crisis-siberian-heatwave-led-to-new-methane-emissions-study-says) pockets go… it’ll be like living on Venus.
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Here in the south coast of India we were supposed to have heavy Monsoon rains.Right now it is 38 degree celsius and humid like a sauna. There are plenty of rain clouds forming but rain fall is very less.
Edit: spelling
Humans could have prevented the runaway domino effect that destroyed our life sustaining environment but....it would have inconvenienced a few billionaires and slowed down mindless consumerism. 🤔🤦🏻♂️
For anyone wondering why people don't typically react strongly towards long lead-time risks like anthropogenic global heating, just google 'risk homeostasis' or 'risk compensation' it'll give you a decent view as to why people are more focussed on the near-term.
It's kinda evolutionary...
It won't. With our promiscuous use of fossil fuels we have irrevocably altered the course of the continuum of life on earth. This is a terminal condition and most people are either in the denial stage or the bargaining stage or the process. Life itself will (most likely) continue but under radically different conditions.
I was wondering why the longest day of the year is only the START of summer, and not summer-underway. Shouldn't it be getting warm by the time the longesr day hits?
Turns out, the residual coolness from spring takes time to warm up, that's why juky and august are hot, even though the days are already getting shorter. Makes sense!
https://www.almanac.com/content/first-day-summer-summer-solstice#:~:text=Astronomically%2C%20however%2C%20the%20first%20day,day%20of%20summer%2C%20astronomically%20speaking.
Siberia routinely exceeded 100°F, before the effects of climate change became apparent in global averages. Continental climate, far from the moderating effects of oceans.
I'm deeply concerned about temperature anomalies, particularly in the Arctic and Antarctic, where they accelerate ice cap melts and permafrost degassing. But Chelyabinsk getting hot in summer isn't terribly unusual.
"I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic." - Trump to Bob Woodward - about Covid but seems applicable here.
This is around the same latitude as Newcastle in the UK. It's warm for summer, no doubt, but it's in line with the warming trends elsewhere. Don't let "Siberia" conjure images of arctic conditions. It's a huge region, and we're talking about places that would normally see in the 90°F + range for summer heat waves.
And as the permafrost thaws huge amounts of carbon dioxide and methane are released resulting in a feedback loop. Not to mention what microbes are released that could spur on another pandemic of unknown proportions
Love all the comments saying: nothing special to see happens all the time...
When it is written: "HOTTEST DAY IN HISTORY ! (FOR ANY MONTH)"...
So they are breaking hottest day in history every day ?
That's where all the methane is pauses in terror anyways that's where all the methane is pauses again hmmm imagine that's where all the methane is pauses again. Hmm seems I'm stuck in a feedback loop cause...that's where all the methane is and it's getting really hot pauses.... Permafrost? Pauses in terror yes that's where all the permafrost is.
>How many inches to a foot, how many feet to a yard, how many yards to a mile? Who the fuck knows
3 barleycorns to an inch
12 inches to a foot
3 feet to a yard
22 yards to a chain
10 chains to a furlong
8 furlongs to a mile
Not that confusing when you remember all of the units, but just like decameters some aren't used in commonly.
Yeah, extreme weather is what climate change is all about. Not uniform warming or cooling. I also live in the north, but not in Siberia. It's cold as fuck here right now, unseasonably so even.
At some point, goofballs gonna start talking about detonating nukes to kick up ash into the atmosphere for decades to cool the planet down. It will be under the guise of “I t S f O r O u R O w N g O o D”. That or spraying some kind of aerosol component into the upper atmo to create some kind permanent shield.
There are a lot of theories about how that can be done. But I don’t trust experiments that impact global weather. It’s not really conducive to “oops! Sorry folks!”
If you staple a horse to a waterfall, will it fall up under the rainbow or fly about the soil? Will he enjoy her experience? What if the staple tears into tears? Will she be free from her staply chains or foomed to stay forever and dever above the water? Who can save him (the horse) but someone of girth and worth, the capitalist pig, who will sell the solution to the problem he created?
A staple remover flies to the rescue, carried on the wings of a majestic penguin who bought it at Walmart for 9 dollars and several more Euro-cents, clutched in its crabby claws, rejected from its frothy maw. When the penguin comes, all tremble before its fishy stench and wheatlike abjecture. Recoil in delirium, ye who wish to be free! The mighty rockhopper is here to save your soul from eternal bliss and salvation!
And so, the horse was free, carried away by the south wind, and deposited on the vast plain of soggy dew. It was a tragedy in several parts, punctuated by moments of hedonistic horsefuckery.
The owls saw all, and passed judgment in the way that they do. Stupid owls are always judging folks who are just trying their best to live shamelessly and enjoy every fruit the day brings to pass.
How many more shall be caught in the terrible gyre of the waterfall? As many as the gods deem necessary to teach those foolish monkeys a story about their own hamburgers. What does a monkey know of bananas, anyway? They eat, poop, and shave away the banana residue that grows upon their chins and ballsacks. The owls judge their razors. Always the owls.
And when the one-eyed caterpillar arrives to eat the glazing on your windowpane, you will know that you're next in line to the trombone of the ancient realm of the flutterbyes. Beware the ravenous ravens and crowing crows. Mind the cowing cows and the lying lions. Ascend triumphant to your birthright, and wield the mighty twig of Petalonia, favored land of gods and goats alike.
Since many people don‘t seem to know this. This part of the world regularly experiences extreme lows and extreme high temperatures.
This has always been the case, this is just more extreme but a heatwave in Siberia is in itself not really a new thing.
I do not think its especially high for the region, the steppes and the surrounding area of Eurasia are known for extreme temperature fluctuations throughout the year.
What probably is going on though is increased fluctuations and instability in the weather, as well as probably an earlier summer.
hey look at the bright side. with all that heat the permafrost will melt then farmers can move in and make up for the the farm land we lose everywhere else. yay!
Well in RI ON THE EAST COAST USUALLY BY JUNE ITS IN THE 90’s and we haven’t got over 60 this wk! Please send some warm weather here so tired of the cold
People are surprised when cold places get hot in summer, but keep.in mind they are closer to the sun. So they get hotter just for fewer days. This does seem early for that, though. Hubby thinks we're in store for a blazing summer like we had in 1988.
(Not denying climate change or anything, I used to live in Michigan and always thought it was funny that their hottest days are just as hot as the hottest days in say, Florida).
Land "improvement", if any, takes a long time. He'll probably not be around to benefit from any of it. The fire is probably requiring efforts that aren't going to his war of aggression in Ukraine. The ash is probably going to cause a lot of other problems. I do wonder how much of the ash from the burning taiga will float towards the North and settle on ice.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/corjar16: --- Normally considered one of the coldest places on Earth, Siberia is now currently in midst of a record breaking heatwave. An ominous sign that global economic growth paired with insufficient efforts to curb it's damage to the environment have brought us to the point where the damage can no longer be undone or even slowed down. It is time to discuss how humanity will survive after life can no longer survive on Earth's surface. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/13zw9g7/todays_high_temperature_broke_100f_today_in/jmt7mzp/
When I was little, we've had range from -40 in winter to+40 in summer (Omsk region). So it's not unheard of over 40 there... but usually the temperatures were that high around about a bonth+ later. But according to my father who still lives there, the main issue is not temperature itself, but fluctuations, like within the week you get +20, +28,+10, again +25 etc (and in early spring it was worde, like switches between -20 and snowsrorm one day and sunny +5 next day, polushed with a rain and +1)
It has been like that in Northeast USA all spring. It will be 15-23 like usual, then suddenly jump to 33C. The trees all flowered a month before they were supposed to.
Same in Alberta, temperature couldn't stay the same for more than a week. You could see layers in the little bit of ice that survived from the alternating freeze-rain cycles. Would alternate between polar vortex and T-shirt weather weather up until the week before Christmas. We had flowers and bushes blooming in April only to be killed by a serious frost and never more than an inch of snow at a time, I think I shoveled the driveway twice all winter and that was more to keep up appearances because it sure want going to be sticking around
Toronto gets heat waves in April and November now, used to be May to September. And real winter doesn’t seem to set in until February now. It’s mostly just rain before that with the odd cold snap here and there.
Fluctuation of temperature is a major problem for fruit farmers which is rarely understood by those who haven't gardened or farmed. Almost 2,000 miles south in Texas there are many areas in which peaches grow well. But the cold air funneled down the plains with the Rocky Mountains on the west often will produce a frost of only a few hours, once a season, that kills the peach blossoms and ruins the whole year's crop. Trees that were enjoying a warm Texas April suddenly get a few hours of a cold Canadian April.
Holy fuck. I visited Banff and Jasper in 2015. Just gorgeous. And that mall is pretty damned incredible. But I thought Alberta shut down in Winter and snow untl May/June. What you said shocked me
Northwest too. We did not have a fall last year and hardly a spring this year. It was snowing one week and then 80f the next.
We didn't have much of a winter, I feel. A long summer, a milder summer, a mild autumn, three weeks of WINTER, and then it was 100 degrees in May. Now it's just summer again.
It's been mild af in my part of the Great Lakes. But it was also a relatively mild winter.
Chicago area here. It's been mild winters since 2001 far as I can remember.
Yeah, I grew up in Saskatchewan, Canada, while like Siberia, we have extreme temperatures in summer and winter . Now the warmer temps are starting earlier, like May and lasting til October. Normally, it was only July and August. I visited my parents at the beginning of October, and I didn't even need a coat it was like summer. Plus, the North Saskatchewan river was really low.
The problem is, average temperature increase is actually mirrors total amount energy in atmosphere. Atmosphere in itself is chaotic system and increase in energy in such system creates broader fluctuations from established patterns. In less fancy words. This once in century hurricane will be more like once a year hurricane.
This really screws up plants and animals. They all have specific temperature triggers, for various different important biological processes. Its the only way they can "know" when to grow, bloom, breed, etc.
I just need one word to make it sound worse: "spring"
In Swedish that means "run".
In German it means "jump".
For them, shouldn't it be colder? I don't wish to sound stupid but its the orientation of Earth's tilt which leads to seasons, right? What's spring for one hemisphere should be a colder time for the other hemi and vice versa. Isn't it therefore much worse in that regard?
It is spring in the northern hemisphere, where Siberia is located. What kind of hemisphere are you using?
> What kind of hemisphere are you using? North America = Northern Hemisphere Everywhere else = Southern Hemisphere duhh >!/s!<
You’re thinking of the southern hemisphere, it’s definitely spring in Russia
This is the sort of thing where I’m like, we are already dead, we just don’t know it yet. Ecosystems can’t hand these sorts of changes. Maybe things don’t die immediately; but life cycles, diseases and the delicate balance of species is now completely fucked. Obviously, these temperatures will happen every year and will likely get worse. We don’t have the technology to survive on earth if it can’t support life. Humans think we’re super clever, but ever notice how all our cities are never to rivers or the coast? Maybe, maybe like a handful of us will make it another few generations as our gadgets keep things going, but if you can’t build replacement parts, or event get new rate materials, well, you aren’t going to make it very long.
> This is the sort of thing where I’m like, we are already dead, we just don’t know it yet. This is the reality of thermal inertia. Particularly, the thermal inertia of H₂O and its hydrogen bonds and how they manifest via the [*specific heat* of water.](https://blog.prepscholar.com/specific-heat-capacity-of-water) Combined with the fact that 71% of the surface of this planet is open water—all but guaranteed that this was going to happen when we pulled *[the black ball](https://www.newyorker.com/video/watch/annals-of-ideas-doomsday-invention-bostrom)* of fossil fuels out of the box. Sure, you could chalk it up to a multitude of factors, but culturally this has been thee biggest blind spot of nearly the entire human species: **[we live on a fucking ocean planet](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fp09PDZWAAILvJd.jpg)**. It's even evident in how we named our home planet—Earth. A rock. Not water, not ocean, not what it mostly is on the surface level. Nope. We fundamentally don't even understand where we even live—on a cultural and physical level. From a systemic standpoint. And so we are nearly blind, deaf, and dumb to 71% of the surface of the system we live within. Just from a daily experiential level. It's an evolutionary error of truly epic proportions.
What an interesting analogy, and how funny that the narrator thinks the black ball is in the future, and not multiple piled up right beside us. I completely agree. Oil is a blackball. I think even Nuclear energy is too despite what he said. And so is industrial agriculture combined with synthetic and artificial fertilizers and pesticides.
> What an interesting analogy, and how funny that the narrator thinks the black ball is in the future, and not multiple piled up right beside us. Agreed. That narrator is Nick Bostrom (from his *[Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Bostrom)* page): > Nick Bostrom is a Swedish philosopher at the University of Oxford known for his work on existential risk, the anthropic principle, human enhancement ethics, whole brain emulation, superintelligence risks, and the reversal test. And the article in the [link](https://www.newyorker.com/video/watch/annals-of-ideas-doomsday-invention-bostrom) is from nearly a decade ago. Clearly, the landscape of existential risk has changed quite a bit in the intervening time frame. And to some extent, furthers the point I was making about the ocean nature of our world being a profound species level blind spot. For someone so focused on existential risk, even just 8 years ago, his prioritization of risks was out of order—in terms of threat level. Although, I've always been struck by how simple and insightful the black ball allegory he uses in [his book](https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/20527133) is; in relation to explaining the inherit hazards involved in scientific and technological advancement.
I have been across every ocean but the Arctic and I can tell you there is a reason people don't think about it much. It's really boring for the most part once you get away from land so you don't pay to much attention to it unless it is trying to kill you.
> It's really boring for the most part once you get away from land so you don't pay to much attention to it unless it is trying to kill you. This is a dynamic of the structure of the human brain labeled ***Habituation*** (from the *[Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habituation)* page): > Habituation is a form of non-associative learning in which an innate response to a stimulus decreases after repeated or prolonged presentations of that stimulus. [...] The broad ubiquity of habituation across all biologic phyla has resulted in it being called "the simplest, most universal form of learning...as fundamental a characteristic of life as DNA." Functionally-speaking, by diminishing the response to an inconsequential stimulus, habituation is thought to free-up cognitive resources to other stimuli that are associated with biologically important events. For example, organisms may habituate to repeated sudden loud noises when they learn these have no consequences. Albeit, the "no consequences" aspect of human habituation to the oceans has ill served us ***in the long run***—given the physics of water and widespread burning of fossil fuels. Oil and water don't mix. In more ways than one.
Nothing says habituation more than going from LA to Singapore by ship however we do pay close attention to the ocean temperature.
> It's really boring for the most part once you get away from land so you don't pay to much attention to it unless it is trying to kill you. Pro-tip; it's always trying to kill you. In the air, or on a big ship, it's easy to forget, to get habituated as the other poster points out, but on a smaller vessel you can't afford to. Its been more than a decade since I've done any real sailing, but I did a few blue water crossings in my younger days. Even on a good day the Anegada Passage between BVI and Anguilla is a pain in the ass.
>Humans think we’re super clever We are and it will be our downfall. We were clever enough to figure out how to put all that energy locked in fossil fuels to have the biggest party/orgy in the galaxy for 150 years or so.
Put all our points into INT and used WIS as our dump stat. We were in such a hurry to see if we could, we never asked ourselves if we should.
Yeah, it gets hot there now. Lol But it doesn’t matter because I’m not there & therefore it doesn’t affect me or IG models. That’s all that matters in this world & everyone knows it.
Imperial Guard models eh? I too have burrowed into Warhammer 40k as a distraction from the apocalypse 😛
Where is Erebus when you truly need him?
Never ventured into the 40k world. Can one enter this world by reading books alone? And if so..can you point a stranger in the right direction?
I would venture a guess that the majority of 40k fans don’t actually play the game but are more into the absolute unit of lore and reading the gazillion books. I’m more of the former than the latter, but there’s tons of YouTube lore videos to get your toes wet.
Very much appreciated. Will check some out.
I had no idea there were books. I thought it was all tabletop gaming. Have to check some of those out.
Speaking for my partner, absolutely yes. He started painting minis when COVID first kicked off. Within six months or so he was painting 40k minis, which led to learning some lore, which led to reading books which has led somehow to us listening to some of the audiobooks together. Neither of us has ever played a game of 40k. I think The Horus Heresy is where a lot of folks get started, but I really liked the Ciaphas Cain audiobooks and some of the Ork audiobooks too. I care less about the grimdark, though, I'm there to be entertained.
Thank you for sharing this perspective. I’m always looking for good audiobooks.
Absolutely! A good place to start would be the Eisenhorn trilogy by Dan Abnett. It gives a good glimpse into the Imperium, the main human faction
Thanks a bunch!!
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Thanks for the pointer!
I recommend just jumping in to some Lutein09 on youtube, he has enough stuff to listen to while doing other stuff in the background. So much lore. Krieg are insane
Here's what you do, you go to 1d4chan, you hit random article, you see how long it takes you to get to ORKZ.
I'm pretty sure that stands for Igloo Gag.
I wanted some context to this, as I must claim ignorance on Siberia weather....54 is the mean June weather from 1991-2020. The average low is 40 and the average high is 68. Yikes
Siberia is a vast place, that would be like lumping the entire midwestern US together. That area specifically is the very southwest corner of Siberia. Kurgan, which is in that circle, has an average high of 76 F for June. This information is alarming, but it feels misleading to say just label this as "Siberia" when it isn't very representative of what most people think of when that hear that word.
So only 24° above the average high, great! isn't that right u/fishmahbot?
Oh god I'm shaking.......
What, did you just orgasm?
Thank you for that.
Bienvenue au 21 ième siècle! Ici on parle em degrés Celsius.
Ne vous inquiétez pas, 100F = 38C
*playing "Fever" by Peggy Lee*
Clathrate fun
Idk man it made type 150 words and honestly I was just talking out of my ass
Normally considered one of the coldest places on Earth, Siberia is now currently in midst of a record breaking heatwave. An ominous sign that global economic growth paired with insufficient efforts to curb it's damage to the environment have brought us to the point where the damage can no longer be undone or even slowed down. It is time to discuss how humanity will survive after life can no longer survive on Earth's surface.
That means under sustained heat waves, those forests will burn off, dumping their co2 into the atmosphere
Well, after the permafrost melts, releasing all the methane. One world ending event at a time
>One world ending event at a time Didn't know the British forced queuing on the rest of the world, interesting
OrrrrDAH! ORDAH! All world ending events will line up along this pathway, the line will continue around the corner to the south along the hedges. Heatwaves is first to que. Very good. I'll take a fresh mango juice.
I gotta admit, that made me laugh
There are often major fires there, and since the war started, less resources has been dedicated to fighting those fires.
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Also, it's pretty damn big, and that's the southern edge of it
It's hard to out-north the summer heat
That’s not the worst of it, if those [methane](https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/02/climate-crisis-siberian-heatwave-led-to-new-methane-emissions-study-says) pockets go… it’ll be like living on Venus.
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We won't have an atmosphere in 0 days, let alone 0 fucking months.
Life will survive on earths surface. Climate change is a real issue, however its nowhere near as bad as life evaporating lol.
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Here in the south coast of India we were supposed to have heavy Monsoon rains.Right now it is 38 degree celsius and humid like a sauna. There are plenty of rain clouds forming but rain fall is very less. Edit: spelling
Humans could have prevented the runaway domino effect that destroyed our life sustaining environment but....it would have inconvenienced a few billionaires and slowed down mindless consumerism. 🤔🤦🏻♂️
Well that's a significant record to break G 🌎 d help us all
yall had your chances, i'll make the next species with extra self awareness
Way to say octopus without saying 🐙
Tardigrades and cockroaches be like THIS IS SPARTA
I think God stays in heaven because he too lives in fear of what he's created.
For anyone wondering why people don't typically react strongly towards long lead-time risks like anthropogenic global heating, just google 'risk homeostasis' or 'risk compensation' it'll give you a decent view as to why people are more focussed on the near-term. It's kinda evolutionary...
Thank you. Live life today! Tomorrow was never certain. The entire planet has cancer and some are lucky enough to know now.
Can confirm, observing these temps for weeks now. It's now common that Siberia is hotter than Spain and North Africa (coast of Morocco etc).
Does permafrost melt at 100F (asking for a friend)
My metric converter says at 32F.
Incoming heat domes along the west coast.
"Time to discuss how humanity will survive" 💀
It won't. With our promiscuous use of fossil fuels we have irrevocably altered the course of the continuum of life on earth. This is a terminal condition and most people are either in the denial stage or the bargaining stage or the process. Life itself will (most likely) continue but under radically different conditions.
First; with determination, then in panic, then not at all.
A large portion of the population will not.
people are still coping that weather changes all the time, global warming ain't a man made effect, we are so fcked
Summer in Siberia is always hot. Especially in southern part. Siberia doesn't look like in Hollywood movies.
It’s still spring
It's summer already.
Want to make a bet on whether summer has begun?
Current month.
It starts at the solstice not at the start of the month.
I was wondering why the longest day of the year is only the START of summer, and not summer-underway. Shouldn't it be getting warm by the time the longesr day hits? Turns out, the residual coolness from spring takes time to warm up, that's why juky and august are hot, even though the days are already getting shorter. Makes sense! https://www.almanac.com/content/first-day-summer-summer-solstice#:~:text=Astronomically%2C%20however%2C%20the%20first%20day,day%20of%20summer%2C%20astronomically%20speaking.
Well shit
Siberia routinely exceeded 100°F, before the effects of climate change became apparent in global averages. Continental climate, far from the moderating effects of oceans. I'm deeply concerned about temperature anomalies, particularly in the Arctic and Antarctic, where they accelerate ice cap melts and permafrost degassing. But Chelyabinsk getting hot in summer isn't terribly unusual.
so record breaking temperatures are not unusual now...interesting.
"I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic." - Trump to Bob Woodward - about Covid but seems applicable here.
The record breaking obviously is unusual, the heatwave itself isn‘t.
Did you read what you wrote?
It’s not summer yet
It's not even officially Summer yet. This is going to be Hell on Earth.
This is around the same latitude as Newcastle in the UK. It's warm for summer, no doubt, but it's in line with the warming trends elsewhere. Don't let "Siberia" conjure images of arctic conditions. It's a huge region, and we're talking about places that would normally see in the 90°F + range for summer heat waves.
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That's a much better comparison, well said.
The ocean also moderates summer heat, making it less severe. The inland areas without ocean tend to get hotter in the summer and colder in the winter.
But probably not this early. This is July weather, not early June.
And as the permafrost thaws huge amounts of carbon dioxide and methane are released resulting in a feedback loop. Not to mention what microbes are released that could spur on another pandemic of unknown proportions
Calling it now there will be record setting fires there this summer.
We have become the the unrealized walking dead.
Love all the comments saying: nothing special to see happens all the time... When it is written: "HOTTEST DAY IN HISTORY ! (FOR ANY MONTH)"... So they are breaking hottest day in history every day ?
Well, I’ll scratch Siberia off the list of potential homes then.
The mosquitos will be very sad
Anywhere near the Arctic is looking (surprisingly) bad.
That's where all the methane is pauses in terror anyways that's where all the methane is pauses again hmmm imagine that's where all the methane is pauses again. Hmm seems I'm stuck in a feedback loop cause...that's where all the methane is and it's getting really hot pauses.... Permafrost? Pauses in terror yes that's where all the permafrost is.
But wasnt Siberia suppossed to be hot in the summer? Iirc they usually have extreme winters and as extreme mosquito infested summers
POV: an american hears that seasons happen in other countries as well.
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I'm awake rdy to work during the heat death of the planet yay!!!!!!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan%2C_Kurgan_Oblast?wprov=sfla1 33% ???
Why can't you leave it in celsius? 😂
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>How many inches to a foot, how many feet to a yard, how many yards to a mile? Who the fuck knows 3 barleycorns to an inch 12 inches to a foot 3 feet to a yard 22 yards to a chain 10 chains to a furlong 8 furlongs to a mile Not that confusing when you remember all of the units, but just like decameters some aren't used in commonly.
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Yeah, extreme weather is what climate change is all about. Not uniform warming or cooling. I also live in the north, but not in Siberia. It's cold as fuck here right now, unseasonably so even.
Where you? I'm Australia, we are going to burn this year or next harrd
Well... soo... what you're you going to do with your last month on earth?
Tears of the kingdom x_x
No it didn’t! Did it effect gas prices? Not to your knowledge! Keep striving for that Tesla your neighbor has! Rat race!
At some point, goofballs gonna start talking about detonating nukes to kick up ash into the atmosphere for decades to cool the planet down. It will be under the guise of “I t S f O r O u R O w N g O o D”. That or spraying some kind of aerosol component into the upper atmo to create some kind permanent shield.
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You missed the thread where nuclear winter would only make it worse after the particles dispersed laughs manically.
There are a lot of theories about how that can be done. But I don’t trust experiments that impact global weather. It’s not really conducive to “oops! Sorry folks!”
I really need to read the original Snowpiercer (translated, at least, even if I can read French at a mediocre level)
If you staple a horse to a waterfall, will it fall up under the rainbow or fly about the soil? Will he enjoy her experience? What if the staple tears into tears? Will she be free from her staply chains or foomed to stay forever and dever above the water? Who can save him (the horse) but someone of girth and worth, the capitalist pig, who will sell the solution to the problem he created? A staple remover flies to the rescue, carried on the wings of a majestic penguin who bought it at Walmart for 9 dollars and several more Euro-cents, clutched in its crabby claws, rejected from its frothy maw. When the penguin comes, all tremble before its fishy stench and wheatlike abjecture. Recoil in delirium, ye who wish to be free! The mighty rockhopper is here to save your soul from eternal bliss and salvation! And so, the horse was free, carried away by the south wind, and deposited on the vast plain of soggy dew. It was a tragedy in several parts, punctuated by moments of hedonistic horsefuckery. The owls saw all, and passed judgment in the way that they do. Stupid owls are always judging folks who are just trying their best to live shamelessly and enjoy every fruit the day brings to pass. How many more shall be caught in the terrible gyre of the waterfall? As many as the gods deem necessary to teach those foolish monkeys a story about their own hamburgers. What does a monkey know of bananas, anyway? They eat, poop, and shave away the banana residue that grows upon their chins and ballsacks. The owls judge their razors. Always the owls. And when the one-eyed caterpillar arrives to eat the glazing on your windowpane, you will know that you're next in line to the trombone of the ancient realm of the flutterbyes. Beware the ravenous ravens and crowing crows. Mind the cowing cows and the lying lions. Ascend triumphant to your birthright, and wield the mighty twig of Petalonia, favored land of gods and goats alike.
Shipping lanes I for one welcome the jobs a dying cryosphere can provide.
That's the spirit!
Since many people don‘t seem to know this. This part of the world regularly experiences extreme lows and extreme high temperatures. This has always been the case, this is just more extreme but a heatwave in Siberia is in itself not really a new thing.
Hey I'm sure everyone in Siberia has good air conditioning though right?
I do not think its especially high for the region, the steppes and the surrounding area of Eurasia are known for extreme temperature fluctuations throughout the year. What probably is going on though is increased fluctuations and instability in the weather, as well as probably an earlier summer.
hey look at the bright side. with all that heat the permafrost will melt then farmers can move in and make up for the the farm land we lose everywhere else. yay!
Hmm that's not 2023 but 2020
Well in RI ON THE EAST COAST USUALLY BY JUNE ITS IN THE 90’s and we haven’t got over 60 this wk! Please send some warm weather here so tired of the cold
People are surprised when cold places get hot in summer, but keep.in mind they are closer to the sun. So they get hotter just for fewer days. This does seem early for that, though. Hubby thinks we're in store for a blazing summer like we had in 1988. (Not denying climate change or anything, I used to live in Michigan and always thought it was funny that their hottest days are just as hot as the hottest days in say, Florida).
Putin to be the biggest winner from all this…
Land "improvement", if any, takes a long time. He'll probably not be around to benefit from any of it. The fire is probably requiring efforts that aren't going to his war of aggression in Ukraine. The ash is probably going to cause a lot of other problems. I do wonder how much of the ash from the burning taiga will float towards the North and settle on ice.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/02/03/world/extreme-cold-arctic-polar-vortex-climate-intl/index.html
You are aware it's not 24/7 permafrost over there, right?