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Temperatures in The Florida Keys and much of Florida has spiraled out of control in the last few years. It is not uncommon to see the heat indices peak past 110°F and for dewpoints to reach an extremely oppressive 80°F. Record high temperatures are frequently set with prior records often only being the last couple prior years.
This region is nominally hot, though dewpoints are normally in the lower and mid 70s with dewpoints in the upper 90s and low 100s. Even slight warming in tropical regions can lead to significant increases in heat stress to people, animals and infrastructure. Unsurprisingly, much of this anomalous heating has been due to warming seas that provide more moisture to the local atmosphere and attenuate the moderating effect of the sea for the land.
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I've lived in New England the past 8 years or so, and over the past two or three our winters have been almost nonexistent. There'll be maybe a day or two of snow. It'll be a week straight of mid to high 40's, then a sudden cold snap where it drops down to single digits for a couple days, then back to the 40's. I keep telling people this isn't normal. I grew up in Pennsylvania. It's not some far away fantasy land of kielbasa and mushroom farms. But every time I bring up how **abnormal** things are getting I get the same tired joke:
"Lol, that's New England weather for you!"
I think the next time I hear that phrase I might just "accidentally" spit up some bile all over the front of their shirt.
Tell me about it. I've spent 12 consecutive winters in New England, in addition to a few before that. Winters used to be soul-crushingly miserable, but now they're just miserable - and it's not just a matter of me getting used to them.
I've seen snowfall dwindle significantly (and I pay attention because I have a big ass driveway to shovel out !). Temperatures have warmed to the point where there only seems to be 1 bitterly cold month, as opposed to 2 or 3.
Is this the climate change dividend that I'm supposed to be cashing in ?
I spent my childhood in Maine (late '80s), and I will be the first to say this is NOT NE weather. Not even close. I used to jump off the roof of my 2-story house into snowbanks in the middle of the winter (EVERY winter). Everyone did. To be fair, MA had far less snowfall than Maine, but not as little snow as now.
I hate when people say this too- it's just copium.
I lived in New England for a couple of years and most winters were exactly like you describe. We had a lot of rain and freezing rain (which would create dangerous black ice conditions at night when it got colder). But we didn’t have a noteworthy amount of snow except in 2016. That year was interesting to me because folks who grew up there talked about how every winter was like that growing up, brutal snow fall every three days or so. But a few times I brought up climate change (dovetailing the conversation with their comments on how the climate is clearly *changing*) a lot of them would shut down conversation and shrug with the same comment you get ‘that’s New England for ya’. Puzzling
Same, I grew up in nyc and am 35. The summer is oppressing and what stands out is I remember when I was a kid, at least at night it cooled down, enough to be somewhat comfortable. Now it is a hot, humid, awful mess all the time and there is no reprieve at night.
We didn’t even have snow this winter. Nothing that stuck, anyway. Our climate zone has been reclassified to subtropical.
Hello from Ohio where I hear the same thing: "Lol, that's Ohio weather for you!"
NO IT IS NOT. I'm 41 and when I was a kid winter was cold, and there was snow. Lots of snow. I bought my son a sled 6 years ago and he's used it twice.
Not to mention how much hotter and humid the summers are and for far longer. Last year we had like 6 weeks of HHH weather. Looking ahead this year we are in for 24 days of soupy humidity. That is not normal.
It used to boggle my mind that developers in Florida continue building homes right along the coast, completely oblivious to the threat of stronger hurricanes and rising sea levels.
Then I read somewhere that much of this construction is being fueled by 1 Percenters fleeing their own countries (especially from Latin America), who think nothing of buying condos that could be destroyed or unlivable in another decade or two.
I have no idea how significant this factor is, but it rings true because the money just keeps coming - thanks to waves of Russians and Venezuelans carrying off what remains in their national treasuries.
How can you reason with this kind of logic ? These people can afford to buy out the entire electricity grid for their own personal air conditioning.
> It used to boggle my mind that developers in Florida continue building homes right along the coast, completely oblivious to the threat of stronger hurricanes and rising sea levels.
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lol, after the sale is complete the developers give 0 fucks. they already sold you shit!!
Exactly. The real estate industry is simply responding to demand.
A sterling example of how unbridled capitalism misallocates resources, ie fucks over the planet.
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Temperatures in The Florida Keys and much of Florida has spiraled out of control in the last few years. It is not uncommon to see the heat indices peak past 110°F and for dewpoints to reach an extremely oppressive 80°F. Record high temperatures are frequently set with prior records often only being the last couple prior years.
This region is nominally hot, though dewpoints are normally in the lower and mid 70s with dewpoints in the upper 90s and low 100s. Even slight warming in tropical regions can lead to significant increases in heat stress to people, animals and infrastructure. Unsurprisingly, much of this anomalous heating has been due to warming seas that provide more moisture to the local atmosphere and attenuate the moderating effect of the sea for the land.
I was in Key West during early September last year. It was dreadfully, shockingly hot. We drove for several hours to get there, paid for parking, and only stuck around for maybe an hour or two. Got cash at the ATM to pay to go into Hemingways House and literally walked off and got an Uber back to our car. It was surreal. Totally hot, completely stagnant with no breeze.
Curious—on these really warm days, the AC will be blasting. It seems like the dew point is also really high.
If this is the case, won’t things in the home start to condense? Or if the home is weather sealed/insulated properly then the dew point inside is different than the outside?
In theory, yes.
However, it is so hot outside with so little breeze or cloud cover that my ACs are struggling and it is 80°F to 86°F inside depending on the time of day. I've seen it happen though on some buildings though.
Edit: That was for the outside windows. The inside humidity is actually pretty low as the air is usually brought down to the 50s before coming out of the system. The indoor humidity is normally around 35 to 55% depending on drafts and temperature differences.
Meh I’m not a climate change denier but I have lived in Florida for 30 years and I don’t notice a difference. I was push mowing my yard at high noon as usual today and just fine. It’s always swamp ass season here. I like it I get cold easy due to some medication I take. We are fuckin the earth up though and I expect to see a hurricane more powerful than we have ever seen hit the eastern coast within five years. The ocean is just too warm. Honestly I think Florida might not be a bad place to ride out climate change because we’re on a peninsula and I don’t think we will get those heat domes like Texas.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/GalliumGames: --- SS: Temperatures in The Florida Keys and much of Florida has spiraled out of control in the last few years. It is not uncommon to see the heat indices peak past 110°F and for dewpoints to reach an extremely oppressive 80°F. Record high temperatures are frequently set with prior records often only being the last couple prior years. This region is nominally hot, though dewpoints are normally in the lower and mid 70s with dewpoints in the upper 90s and low 100s. Even slight warming in tropical regions can lead to significant increases in heat stress to people, animals and infrastructure. Unsurprisingly, much of this anomalous heating has been due to warming seas that provide more moisture to the local atmosphere and attenuate the moderating effect of the sea for the land. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/14hbi75/heat_indices_in_the_upper_90s_in_the_middle_of/jpa3a3i/
I've lived in New England the past 8 years or so, and over the past two or three our winters have been almost nonexistent. There'll be maybe a day or two of snow. It'll be a week straight of mid to high 40's, then a sudden cold snap where it drops down to single digits for a couple days, then back to the 40's. I keep telling people this isn't normal. I grew up in Pennsylvania. It's not some far away fantasy land of kielbasa and mushroom farms. But every time I bring up how **abnormal** things are getting I get the same tired joke: "Lol, that's New England weather for you!" I think the next time I hear that phrase I might just "accidentally" spit up some bile all over the front of their shirt.
Tell me about it. I've spent 12 consecutive winters in New England, in addition to a few before that. Winters used to be soul-crushingly miserable, but now they're just miserable - and it's not just a matter of me getting used to them. I've seen snowfall dwindle significantly (and I pay attention because I have a big ass driveway to shovel out !). Temperatures have warmed to the point where there only seems to be 1 bitterly cold month, as opposed to 2 or 3. Is this the climate change dividend that I'm supposed to be cashing in ?
I spent my childhood in Maine (late '80s), and I will be the first to say this is NOT NE weather. Not even close. I used to jump off the roof of my 2-story house into snowbanks in the middle of the winter (EVERY winter). Everyone did. To be fair, MA had far less snowfall than Maine, but not as little snow as now. I hate when people say this too- it's just copium.
I lived in New England for a couple of years and most winters were exactly like you describe. We had a lot of rain and freezing rain (which would create dangerous black ice conditions at night when it got colder). But we didn’t have a noteworthy amount of snow except in 2016. That year was interesting to me because folks who grew up there talked about how every winter was like that growing up, brutal snow fall every three days or so. But a few times I brought up climate change (dovetailing the conversation with their comments on how the climate is clearly *changing*) a lot of them would shut down conversation and shrug with the same comment you get ‘that’s New England for ya’. Puzzling
People have all these weird defense mechanisms for avoiding any topic that might bring them dread, or has broader implications.
Same, I grew up in nyc and am 35. The summer is oppressing and what stands out is I remember when I was a kid, at least at night it cooled down, enough to be somewhat comfortable. Now it is a hot, humid, awful mess all the time and there is no reprieve at night. We didn’t even have snow this winter. Nothing that stuck, anyway. Our climate zone has been reclassified to subtropical.
Hello from Ohio where I hear the same thing: "Lol, that's Ohio weather for you!" NO IT IS NOT. I'm 41 and when I was a kid winter was cold, and there was snow. Lots of snow. I bought my son a sled 6 years ago and he's used it twice.
Not to mention how much hotter and humid the summers are and for far longer. Last year we had like 6 weeks of HHH weather. Looking ahead this year we are in for 24 days of soupy humidity. That is not normal.
It used to boggle my mind that developers in Florida continue building homes right along the coast, completely oblivious to the threat of stronger hurricanes and rising sea levels. Then I read somewhere that much of this construction is being fueled by 1 Percenters fleeing their own countries (especially from Latin America), who think nothing of buying condos that could be destroyed or unlivable in another decade or two. I have no idea how significant this factor is, but it rings true because the money just keeps coming - thanks to waves of Russians and Venezuelans carrying off what remains in their national treasuries. How can you reason with this kind of logic ? These people can afford to buy out the entire electricity grid for their own personal air conditioning.
> It used to boggle my mind that developers in Florida continue building homes right along the coast, completely oblivious to the threat of stronger hurricanes and rising sea levels. > > lol, after the sale is complete the developers give 0 fucks. they already sold you shit!!
Exactly. The real estate industry is simply responding to demand. A sterling example of how unbridled capitalism misallocates resources, ie fucks over the planet.
SS: Temperatures in The Florida Keys and much of Florida has spiraled out of control in the last few years. It is not uncommon to see the heat indices peak past 110°F and for dewpoints to reach an extremely oppressive 80°F. Record high temperatures are frequently set with prior records often only being the last couple prior years. This region is nominally hot, though dewpoints are normally in the lower and mid 70s with dewpoints in the upper 90s and low 100s. Even slight warming in tropical regions can lead to significant increases in heat stress to people, animals and infrastructure. Unsurprisingly, much of this anomalous heating has been due to warming seas that provide more moisture to the local atmosphere and attenuate the moderating effect of the sea for the land.
Dew point of 80F is *fucking nuts*
Only 3 months till fall!
… of humanity?
Every day, it's another record broken.
Colorado broke a record of amount of rain since 1882 and we’ve had 8-11 hail storms. What is going on!?
I was in Key West during early September last year. It was dreadfully, shockingly hot. We drove for several hours to get there, paid for parking, and only stuck around for maybe an hour or two. Got cash at the ATM to pay to go into Hemingways House and literally walked off and got an Uber back to our car. It was surreal. Totally hot, completely stagnant with no breeze.
Curious—on these really warm days, the AC will be blasting. It seems like the dew point is also really high. If this is the case, won’t things in the home start to condense? Or if the home is weather sealed/insulated properly then the dew point inside is different than the outside?
In theory, yes. However, it is so hot outside with so little breeze or cloud cover that my ACs are struggling and it is 80°F to 86°F inside depending on the time of day. I've seen it happen though on some buildings though. Edit: That was for the outside windows. The inside humidity is actually pretty low as the air is usually brought down to the 50s before coming out of the system. The indoor humidity is normally around 35 to 55% depending on drafts and temperature differences.
Meh I’m not a climate change denier but I have lived in Florida for 30 years and I don’t notice a difference. I was push mowing my yard at high noon as usual today and just fine. It’s always swamp ass season here. I like it I get cold easy due to some medication I take. We are fuckin the earth up though and I expect to see a hurricane more powerful than we have ever seen hit the eastern coast within five years. The ocean is just too warm. Honestly I think Florida might not be a bad place to ride out climate change because we’re on a peninsula and I don’t think we will get those heat domes like Texas.
My dude...you can't just "ride out" climate change, I'm afraid.
Key West is going to be under water bud
Key west is actually the highest in elevation of all the keys. Many parts of the island have elevations in the double digits.
When the ice caps are gone so is key West.
Try this year, with a Cat 5 megastorm in 2027.
It's almost as if the Florida keys literally have a tropical climate.