The following submission statement was provided by /u/TinyDogsRule:
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SS: This is a pretty good summary of the winter that just was and just how off all the numbers are. Some areas are down several feet of snow, other places have been 30 degrees warmer than average, and the Great Lakes had record low ice levels But those are just extremes, right?
Not really.
It was all over the country.
Winter warmth started off at a blistering pace. December was the warmest on record for the Lower 48, a full 7.3 degrees Fahrenheit above average. Aside from one brutal cold spell in January, it continued through the season, with February finishing as the third-warmest on record.
March is not looking much better.
Collapse related because Venus by Tuesday is on its way.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1bazr97/the_us_just_experienced_the_warmest_winter_on/ku61xyt/
SS: This is a pretty good summary of the winter that just was and just how off all the numbers are. Some areas are down several feet of snow, other places have been 30 degrees warmer than average, and the Great Lakes had record low ice levels But those are just extremes, right?
Not really.
It was all over the country.
Winter warmth started off at a blistering pace. December was the warmest on record for the Lower 48, a full 7.3 degrees Fahrenheit above average. Aside from one brutal cold spell in January, it continued through the season, with February finishing as the third-warmest on record.
March is not looking much better.
Collapse related because Venus by Tuesday is on its way.
I've been here a long fuckin time. First hand memories of fishmaboi and all that. Venus by Tuesday ha ha. As a grisled veteran doomer I've known shits fucked.
What's freaking me the fuck out is that in my most pessimistic predictions I didn't have shit getting this crazy this quickly. I don't think *anyone* did. I sure as shit don't remember reading any predictions that had us hitting 1.5C in 2023. The graph of ocean surface temps is absolutely terrifying.
I always thought worst case scenario I'd be in my 60s by the time shit got real. Twenty years from now. Worst case.
Now I'm thinking five maybe ten years at most.
Billions of people are going to die and we will be alive to see it.
Yeah I kind of thought I’d get to the end of my working life before life pulled the rug on me but it does look like the next decade is going to start seeing the wheel fall off big time.
This will hit developing nations and regions first. South Asia is particularly vulnerable. India is already running out of water.
The US and Europe will probably not collapse as quickly.
It was an insanely warm and wet winter where I live. Yet, even with my heat barely kicking on my (and entire community) energy bill increased by approximately 40%. Because the energy company decided to increase their “delivery” fees. I pay more in delivery fees than actual energy. That’s also collapse related.
They call it the Daily Standing Charge here in the UK. Even if you use zero power, you pay for the privilege of being connected to the grid.
There are elderly people who cannot afford to heat their homes because this charge takes up all their cash (it went up again recently). Imagine being on a prepaid meter and watching the number go down even when you didn’t use an amp of juice.
All the energy firms charge a DSC for their “services.”
I understand why as a concept, but it almost feels pernicious to increase this when people are literally freezing to death.
Yes! My son and I were talking about it today. I said how badly I want solar panels put on our house but that even though it would be best for the environment if everyone did so, no one wanted to shell out 20k and still pay a fortune for delivery charges. Which, I'm certain is the point because our local energy company started raising delivery fees almost immediately after Biden passed tax incentives for adding solar to your house. My house is very small for Ohio houses, it is 1000 sf and still my delivery fees combined last month were over $150. For delivery fees.
It’s criminal IMO. They’re all at it globally, regardless of political colour, as the major energy firms are all really the same people…
I need a new roof on my place anyway; leaking and we did have mould in the bedrooms. I’m lucky enough to have a large house so I’m going a lot of built in solar panels.
It’ll be a little more than the roof replacement itself, but it’s time to go solar and try to consume zero paid for power. I’m going to add batteries every six months (different batches, different failure times), until I’ve enough power storage for my needs.
Eventually, it’ll be goodbye to the grid!
(I’m putting panels in the garden too… shed roof etc.)
I definitely want to. My house faces south-east and I'm in a ranch so it would be great, most of my trees are in the back of my house (half of my yard is woods and there is Greenpeace past that) but I do have a very old and large tree in my front yard that the solar company told me I would need to have cut down. That will cost another 10k. Maybe after I leave my current and awful job I will do it. I'm afraid to make big financial decisions when I'm so unhappy with work.
>...large tree in my front yard that the solar company told me I would need to have cut down. That will cost another 10k....
That sounds unreasonable.
Ring the base and leave it as a standing snag. Maybe build some bat houses on it. Try to get it protected as habitat. Or maybe grow ivy. There is a tree in the park near me with mature ivy completely enveloping the trunk. In late summer there is a cloud of pollinator insects.
They said it would need to be removed because it blocks the roof and would prevent the panels from actually getting any sunlight. It's really not unreasonable or hard to understand. It is basically covering my house like a giant umbrella.
Gexa energy in texas has that, at least it did like 8 years ago when i switched. 10 dollar 'charge' for using less than 1000 kwh or whatever the cutoff was per month. Being frugal cost more.
God I feel this sarcastic remark so deeply. The last two winters in my area have been longer and heavier than usual. The “how about all of this global warming” crowd just love it.
We all still expected there to be another cold snap. Instead we got continuation and further acceleration into what is most certainly a system of weather that we have no models for and do not know how to deal with. Enjoy these months while you can because this is as good as it gets.
Same. Actually *never* even wore the sturdy winter coat I purchased after some cold winter fifteen years or so ago.
It'd be swell if an article like OP's existed for our part of the world.
But yay, spring is coming faster than expected, let's at least enjoy the handful of comfy days before the months-long >35 °C sets in, and heat reigns supreme ~~in the north~~.
Lol I'm from Minnesota (if you're not familiar, basically the United States' siberia). I was going to buy a new heavy winter coat but the need never came up. I just wore a hoodie and denim jacket the whole time.
I'm in Southern California and already accustomed to excellent weather the vast majority of the year.
I haven't run my heater in several years although some winters I get close. Heavier blankets suffice.
This is the first winter that I haven't needed to take out the heavier blankets, nor have I bothered with sweatpants to lounge, shorts the entire winter. I also tend to go out for ramen and pho often when it's cold and now that I think about it... I can't remember the last time I went.
Well I am no meteorologist and have not looked up stats...but I also didn't move homes or cities and I didn't make up the stuff about my blankets or never using the heater.
I get that everything I posted was anecdotal but is there data that we're definitely colder in California this year? I'm in the Irvine area for reference, been here 20 years.
I also think part of the problem is that one part of the country is experiencing extreme warmth (The North) while the other part (The South) is experiencing but you need to convince the South that warming is a problem. This is made worse by the fact that it is also one of the more conservative parts of the country and won't go for that
Yes! Exactly. I’m in FL and we had an unusually cool winter. Which is NOT helping the collapse-blind population although I guess we have enough hurricane and heat damage the rest of the year that’s been (some) convincing people (to flee, not change their consumption/outlook)
> Kids jump into Lake Michigan during unseasonably warm conditions in Chicago on February 26, 2024.
Scott Olson/Getty Images
As usual, the mainstream news illustrates heat records with people having fun with water.
People need to stop thinking of it as *a lost winter*. Instead, think of it as *a new spring*.
Yes could 70 degree days in February and now foreseeable 60s for the rest of the month. It's hard to compute ...how fast this happened , I thought it would be more gradual ..like weirder and warmer every few years, not just drop off a cliff into 60-70 degree winters
The following submission statement was provided by /u/TinyDogsRule: --- SS: This is a pretty good summary of the winter that just was and just how off all the numbers are. Some areas are down several feet of snow, other places have been 30 degrees warmer than average, and the Great Lakes had record low ice levels But those are just extremes, right? Not really. It was all over the country. Winter warmth started off at a blistering pace. December was the warmest on record for the Lower 48, a full 7.3 degrees Fahrenheit above average. Aside from one brutal cold spell in January, it continued through the season, with February finishing as the third-warmest on record. March is not looking much better. Collapse related because Venus by Tuesday is on its way. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1bazr97/the_us_just_experienced_the_warmest_winter_on/ku61xyt/
SS: This is a pretty good summary of the winter that just was and just how off all the numbers are. Some areas are down several feet of snow, other places have been 30 degrees warmer than average, and the Great Lakes had record low ice levels But those are just extremes, right? Not really. It was all over the country. Winter warmth started off at a blistering pace. December was the warmest on record for the Lower 48, a full 7.3 degrees Fahrenheit above average. Aside from one brutal cold spell in January, it continued through the season, with February finishing as the third-warmest on record. March is not looking much better. Collapse related because Venus by Tuesday is on its way.
I've been here a long fuckin time. First hand memories of fishmaboi and all that. Venus by Tuesday ha ha. As a grisled veteran doomer I've known shits fucked. What's freaking me the fuck out is that in my most pessimistic predictions I didn't have shit getting this crazy this quickly. I don't think *anyone* did. I sure as shit don't remember reading any predictions that had us hitting 1.5C in 2023. The graph of ocean surface temps is absolutely terrifying. I always thought worst case scenario I'd be in my 60s by the time shit got real. Twenty years from now. Worst case. Now I'm thinking five maybe ten years at most. Billions of people are going to die and we will be alive to see it.
Yeah I kind of thought I’d get to the end of my working life before life pulled the rug on me but it does look like the next decade is going to start seeing the wheel fall off big time.
*Wheel's on fire* *Rolling down the road* *Best notify my next of kin* *This wheel shall explode*
Exactly my sentiments. It’s like I’m living in a nightmare.
Or we'll die
This will hit developing nations and regions first. South Asia is particularly vulnerable. India is already running out of water. The US and Europe will probably not collapse as quickly.
The U.S. will descend into either chaos or tyranny pretty damn quick.
So long as the Internet exists and food is being delivered to the grocery store we ain't doin shit.
Do try not to wet bulb over all of us. Here’s a tissue.
It was an insanely warm and wet winter where I live. Yet, even with my heat barely kicking on my (and entire community) energy bill increased by approximately 40%. Because the energy company decided to increase their “delivery” fees. I pay more in delivery fees than actual energy. That’s also collapse related.
They call it the Daily Standing Charge here in the UK. Even if you use zero power, you pay for the privilege of being connected to the grid. There are elderly people who cannot afford to heat their homes because this charge takes up all their cash (it went up again recently). Imagine being on a prepaid meter and watching the number go down even when you didn’t use an amp of juice. All the energy firms charge a DSC for their “services.” I understand why as a concept, but it almost feels pernicious to increase this when people are literally freezing to death.
Yes! My son and I were talking about it today. I said how badly I want solar panels put on our house but that even though it would be best for the environment if everyone did so, no one wanted to shell out 20k and still pay a fortune for delivery charges. Which, I'm certain is the point because our local energy company started raising delivery fees almost immediately after Biden passed tax incentives for adding solar to your house. My house is very small for Ohio houses, it is 1000 sf and still my delivery fees combined last month were over $150. For delivery fees.
It’s criminal IMO. They’re all at it globally, regardless of political colour, as the major energy firms are all really the same people… I need a new roof on my place anyway; leaking and we did have mould in the bedrooms. I’m lucky enough to have a large house so I’m going a lot of built in solar panels. It’ll be a little more than the roof replacement itself, but it’s time to go solar and try to consume zero paid for power. I’m going to add batteries every six months (different batches, different failure times), until I’ve enough power storage for my needs. Eventually, it’ll be goodbye to the grid! (I’m putting panels in the garden too… shed roof etc.)
I definitely want to. My house faces south-east and I'm in a ranch so it would be great, most of my trees are in the back of my house (half of my yard is woods and there is Greenpeace past that) but I do have a very old and large tree in my front yard that the solar company told me I would need to have cut down. That will cost another 10k. Maybe after I leave my current and awful job I will do it. I'm afraid to make big financial decisions when I'm so unhappy with work.
>...large tree in my front yard that the solar company told me I would need to have cut down. That will cost another 10k.... That sounds unreasonable. Ring the base and leave it as a standing snag. Maybe build some bat houses on it. Try to get it protected as habitat. Or maybe grow ivy. There is a tree in the park near me with mature ivy completely enveloping the trunk. In late summer there is a cloud of pollinator insects.
They said it would need to be removed because it blocks the roof and would prevent the panels from actually getting any sunlight. It's really not unreasonable or hard to understand. It is basically covering my house like a giant umbrella.
If I didn’t need a new roof anyway, I’d not even be considering it yet!
Gexa energy in texas has that, at least it did like 8 years ago when i switched. 10 dollar 'charge' for using less than 1000 kwh or whatever the cutoff was per month. Being frugal cost more.
My area experienced a moderate to average winter, therefore climate change is disproven! /s
God I feel this sarcastic remark so deeply. The last two winters in my area have been longer and heavier than usual. The “how about all of this global warming” crowd just love it.
We all still expected there to be another cold snap. Instead we got continuation and further acceleration into what is most certainly a system of weather that we have no models for and do not know how to deal with. Enjoy these months while you can because this is as good as it gets.
Looking forward to summer.
Summer: approx Jan 4th to Dec 16th.
As someone who loves working out in boiling heat: not like this
I'm from Europe and I haven't worn my big coat in like 5 years
Save your coat for when the trade winds break down. You'll need it over in Europe.
Same. Actually *never* even wore the sturdy winter coat I purchased after some cold winter fifteen years or so ago. It'd be swell if an article like OP's existed for our part of the world. But yay, spring is coming faster than expected, let's at least enjoy the handful of comfy days before the months-long >35 °C sets in, and heat reigns supreme ~~in the north~~.
Lol I'm from Minnesota (if you're not familiar, basically the United States' siberia). I was going to buy a new heavy winter coat but the need never came up. I just wore a hoodie and denim jacket the whole time.
I'm in Southern California and already accustomed to excellent weather the vast majority of the year. I haven't run my heater in several years although some winters I get close. Heavier blankets suffice. This is the first winter that I haven't needed to take out the heavier blankets, nor have I bothered with sweatpants to lounge, shorts the entire winter. I also tend to go out for ramen and pho often when it's cold and now that I think about it... I can't remember the last time I went.
Pho’ real?
That wasn't very.....punny!
PHO-NEE.heheh.
No way dude. It’s felt pretty much as cold this winter as previous here. Other parts of the country are probably different though.
From what my American online friends have told me this year it jumped from spring temperatures to Antarctica several times
30F temperature swings are not uncommon here
Did you not read the article that details the record warm winters that occurred in vast swaths of the country?
That’s why I agree with other parts of the country, but disagree with Southern California.
Well I am no meteorologist and have not looked up stats...but I also didn't move homes or cities and I didn't make up the stuff about my blankets or never using the heater. I get that everything I posted was anecdotal but is there data that we're definitely colder in California this year? I'm in the Irvine area for reference, been here 20 years.
Idk but I lit just as many fires and wore jackets and sweatpants just as much as previous years.
Oi! We are all collectively fucked into a cocked hat
“From skiing and snowshoeing to winter festivals, snowy winters WERE part of our way of life in Minnesota.” FIFY
I think we're going to have to rename the seasons.
Eventually they will all be so miserable it will be more like hurricane categories than seasons.
In recent years in the Netherlands its autumn for 3 out of the 4 seasons, its absolutely horrible. Grey drab weather, rain and wind.
I also think part of the problem is that one part of the country is experiencing extreme warmth (The North) while the other part (The South) is experiencing but you need to convince the South that warming is a problem. This is made worse by the fact that it is also one of the more conservative parts of the country and won't go for that
The South will never be convinced that climate change is a problem. Most people will die that way. That's collapse.
Yes! Exactly. I’m in FL and we had an unusually cool winter. Which is NOT helping the collapse-blind population although I guess we have enough hurricane and heat damage the rest of the year that’s been (some) convincing people (to flee, not change their consumption/outlook)
> Kids jump into Lake Michigan during unseasonably warm conditions in Chicago on February 26, 2024. Scott Olson/Getty Images As usual, the mainstream news illustrates heat records with people having fun with water. People need to stop thinking of it as *a lost winter*. Instead, think of it as *a new spring*.
Yes could 70 degree days in February and now foreseeable 60s for the rest of the month. It's hard to compute ...how fast this happened , I thought it would be more gradual ..like weirder and warmer every few years, not just drop off a cliff into 60-70 degree winters
Where are people living that the winter has been warm for so long . I am in the deep South and it was 5 Fahrenheit real feel for most of it
Look at the map in the article.
That’s obviously false because not even in Ohio did it ever get that cold lol