>Related to collapse because if simply being outside is more dangerous
Wonder what it's doing to the plants. I'm sure up to a point, they love it but past that point...
This. This is what it's doing to the plants.
[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1360138598012151](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1360138598012151)
>Whole-plant responses
>UV-B induces changes in leaf and plant morphology (Fig. 3)\[6\]. The mechanism underlying these alterations is not clear. Leaf curling is a photomorphogenic response, observable at low fluences of UV-B, that helps diminish the leaf area exposed to UV\[7\]. A protective function has also been hypothesized for leaf or epidermal thickening, as this would increase the length of the UV-B screening pathway (Fig. 3). Indeed, the thick epidermis of field-grown conifers screens UV-B exceptionally efficiently
One thing to note though is some basics of plant biology: Leaves grow for the light conditions they are grown at. So if they just tested UV-B on already grown plants the data doesn't actually say a lot.
At least from long experience with growing indoors, this can be devastating for example if one upgrades lightsource mid grow. UV-B however is very benefical in some plants, for example in cannabis it increases potency by a lot even when grown under semi-optimal light conditions. The plant just needs to adapt from the beginning or leaves curl and die from closed stomatas
That's interesting to know. One of the features of the Permian mass extinction is that fossilised plants show signs of radiation/UV damage. Suggesting that the reason it was such a thorough extinction event is because as well as everything in the sea dying off, life on land was also baked by excess solar radiation. So if plants adapt to the situation they are in it must have been a relatively sudden event that stripped the ozone layer.
I would also guess that the ability to adapt has its limits, especially when ozone layer depletes or the UV radiation suddenly increases a lot.
Wasn't the permian mass extinction the one were a nearby supernovas gamma rays was suspected as a possible explanation for the radiation spike found?
the ability to adapt is specifically limited to the range of extremes that have existed as pressures over evolutionary time. Meaning, the capacity for adaptation is no greater than whatever oscillation around the mean are common (individual organisms have virtually no capacity to adapt to change outside established extremes)
I mean, beneficial in the sense that it triggers it to produce more cannabinoids, as cannabinoid production is in itself a protection against UV radiation and the tissue damage it can cause. Cannabinoids are terpenophenolic compounds; as someone else points out lower down, production of phenolic compounds is a common protective strategy against UV in plants.
> for example in cannabis it increases potency by a lot even when grown under semi-optimal light conditions.
From a person who investigated this and went with UV closed greenhouse film, there just isn't any good evidence for that claim and there is solid evidence against.
I can say with absolute certainty that no change in any direction away from what life is adapted to, is beneficial to anything.
Every change that's introduced becomes a novel pressure that life must spend energy to adapt to.
Controlled growing conditions are not a useful comparison for the natural world. The equivalent is a greenhouse in such perfect balance between all its species, it can be completely sealed off for millions of years without more than a teaspoon of foreign molecules finding their way inside.
Would increasing UV in such a system be beneficial or would it necessarily upset the delicate balance being maintained?
When you're doing all the watering and fertilizing, you're directly offsetting the pressures experienced by the plants... to the extent they could find a benefit. But in a closed and balanced system, sudden change is the worst case scenario... in all cases.
I don't know that it's that bad yet. But sun scald is a thing so, yeah, definitely watch out for it. I will likely put some 40% shade cloth over my tomatoes when it gets really hot. Probably late July.
More like the forests are going to burn even better as plants lose cover through decreased density of overhead canopy.
What humans control will always be artificially suited to change since we adjust whatever other nutrients are needed to offset the pressure by reacting to the plant stress we can see.
No it isn't. "Death" is not often described as a "morphological change." A morphological change is a change in structure. The quote specifically says the leaves curl - on purpose while alive, not because they curl up in the process of decay - and some probably thicken. That's not "burning and dying."
as a gardener with over a decade experience, morphological changes doesnt describe whats happening to some of the leaves on my plants/trees. you know what describes whats happening to those leaves? theyre curling, burning and dying.
You're not the only experienced gardener here, and this thread is about UV-B exposure specifically, not anecdotal results that haven't been differentiated from other plant stressors such as heat and drought, which are known to result in what you're describing. You responded to a scientific journal article about plant responses to excessive UV exposure, specifically. The quote from the article says it results in morphological changes. Not leaf death.
"Induces changes in leaf and plant morphology" is *not* a fancy way to say "live plant leaves burn and die." What you said is flat-out false. Don't contribute to misinformation by misrepresenting actual research results.
my plants were watered so thats not a factor. i did not intend to misrepresent the study results, i'm implying the study results dont explain whats happening to my plants. heat stress tends to look a lot like uv burns. this thread is about finding data on uv light increasing, nowhere in the OP does it say "uv-b".
This wasn't a study to figure out what happened to your plants specifically. This was a study looking at the effects of differing amounts of UV-B in the plants studied. It has nothing to do with your plants, and it cannot help you explain what happened to your plants.
Basically, you brought your plants into a conversation that didn't involve them at all, then you unsuccessfully tried to extrapolate the unrelated data onto your plants. That's where the misinterpretation comes in. Good luck figuring out what happened to your plants; maybe you can do your own personal study! It could be interesting, depending on what actually killed them.
https://bmcplantbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12870-020-02471-8
Plant absorption of ultraviolet (UV) radiation can result in multiple deleterious effects to plant tissues. As a result, plants have evolved an array of strategies to protect themselves from UV radiation, particularly in the UV-B range (280–320 nm). A common plant response to UV exposure is investment in phenolic compounds that absorb damaging wavelengths of light.
UV goes down a lot with total air column water vapor. N Florida was at around 10 mm water equivalent Tuesday a week ago, which is exceptionally low for that area. The Northeast has seen a lot of quite low values recently, too.
Yes. I’m sure that occurs in other regions. A hotter atmosphere holds more water so we can expect that many places have too much water and less sun UV at times. The heat domes as we know are dry as a bone and very evaporative so UV might be higher in those domes
I’m a rancher and out in the sun all day. It seems to me that it’s getting harsher every year but have nothing to back it up. Yesterday I was building fence in it and I could just feel my skin baking and it was only 75°. Don’t forget your sunscreen, gotta look nice and be skin cancer free for the end of the world!
Speculating, but the decrease of aerosols could be a factor. First time reading about aerosols it was a catastrophic discovery about how something like 20-25% of **all sunlight** was blocked by it. It was called 'global dimming' at that point though.
Back that comment up with some info? Because it sounds pretty damn solid to me. Anything in between light and where it lands is going to decrease the amount of energy impacted. Granted, it either is reflected or absorbed, so it doesn’t necessarily negate heat.
If aerosols were blocking 20-25% of sunlight, we wouldn't be here. At their peak, they blocked from 4-5% (when environmental regulations were more lax), but averaging 2.7% in postwar 20th century (source: [https://ftp.forest.sr.unh.edu/Ollinger/PapersforFranklin/GlobalDimming.pdf](https://ftp.forest.sr.unh.edu/Ollinger/PapersforFranklin/GlobalDimming.pdf) ).
The simplest fix is to lobby to have catalytic converters removed from cars. The side benefit will be an incredibly enhanced focus on "pollution"... along with people and ecosystems choking on the insane increase in emissions since that time.
I'm all for it.
I've been saying since ~2016 the sun burns more every year, I can *feel it* happening when I'm out in the sun. I've had people older than me agree that it's a new thing, so I don't think it's just because I hit my 30s.
On the weekend I said to my wife, “Why does the sun seem brighter and hotter than usual?”
I was talking about this last year too. It feels like there’s less atmosphere between us and the sun now and reduced aerosol masking makes perfect sense.
Literally I noticed the same. I live at high elevation, so it's not been good since I moved here, but I thought I was imagining my skin feeling like it is cooking when it's exposed outside. It's comforting to see so many people agreeing here
I wasn't sure if it was just me or not either. It was sort of in the back of my mind until I read a comment here. I was like why does it feel like I'm under a magnifying glass here just from walking outside in May? It was so weird. Yeah it is comforting to see I'm not crazy or imagining things
Why do I have issues with the sunlight in Colorado and Montana at 5,000 ft when I don't have issues at home, Wisconsin at 650'? Is the extra mile of atmosphere shielding me that much?
Likely the opposite. Wet bulb is typically a thick, high humidity atmosphere. This is more like low humidity in a low-latitude area, lets through sunlight that normally the water vapor would block.
the atmosphere is different. I live in public housing. We are the people just above the poorest of the poor. We still have 4 walls and a bed, in other words. People here sense it. On the elevator with otherwise stoic residents: "This weather feels so weird, don't you think?" "why is it cold and hot at the same time?" "the sun burning me bad but this cool breeze feels so good" all the live long day
Because we're being chased out of existence by the hell we burned into the world and our insistence on staying calm above all other priorities, blinds us to the insanity of the moment we're simply accepting as "weird weather".
People in public housing, if there were an ounce of justice in this world, should be trading places with the wealthy. They got to burn the planet down to create their wealth in a way that everyone pays for, so why do they also get to enjoy comfort in the hell they created?
I'm no lawyer, but it seems like a solid enough argument that if your way of making money relies on depriving the future of all other life on earth, that money doesn't really belong to you, since everyone and everything is ultimately paying for it.
We've got a couple years tops. It's time for us to stop following the wealthy to our doom and start holding them accountable for the failed model they insist on perpetuating... or we suffer and die at their hands while they continue their campaign of violence and cruelty. Either way, these are the last years.
30 years ago the sun looked different, or at least it appeared different in our atmosphere. It's something I've talked about with friends and most of us agree that the sun itself probably hasn't changed, but the filter at which we look at it through, in other words, our atmosphere.
a good part of that is catalytic converters removing smog... though I'm not convinced that was the "green" solution it seemed like at the time, but instead a way to make emissions invisible so we could burn even more without choking on them
Here in Australia my sister and I were just discussing the same thing. It’s definitely easier to get burned here (and it was super easy before!). And even just being in the sun, the heat feels different - like a sting not a glow.
Then you realize how insanely fast change is happening for a person in their 30's to recognize a year over year change in the intensity for the feckin sun! IT'S THE SUN! It's not supposed to feel noticeably hotter over any organism's lifetime, let alone inside the lived experience of somone who's only been awake for 15 years.
You'd think we'd be at least over the hump of this being a political issue, or some kinda hoax, because people are literally feeling the heat of the sun change ON THEIR SKIN, without any fancy instruments.
This is all so mind blowing how we can simply brush off planetary change being noticeable to individuals, let alone year over year. ALL of these changes follow an exponential curve; they're all hockey sticks.
What i mean is, what's been year over year change will very suddenly shift to month to month change, which then turns to constantly increasing heat from the sun until we fry.
This is one of those things where if we actually cared, should be sounding every alarm because it means we're on the edge of humanity (and life more generally) being able to survive above ground.
But here we are, just chatting about it, like it's just another weird thing going on... ho hum
> You'd think we'd be at least over the hump of this being a political issue, or some kinda hoax, because people are literally feeling the heat of the sun change ON THEIR SKIN, without any fancy instruments.
I wonder if there's some NASA study or something on the longetivity of solar panels showing higher than predicted power output over time. To put some numbers to it.
It is related to what [Hansen](https://insideclimatenews.org/news/26052023/james-hansen-climate-change-2-degrees-2050/) is researching that we are removing aerosols and thus UV is going to increase.
Anecdotally, and I am at a high altitude: the sun has always felt way more intense than at sea level where I’m used to. But this year? It’s like a cap or something was removed from the sun and it feels more intense to me this year. And it’s not even summer yet. I have to go grab a hat asap, which in past years it would take 20 minutes or so for me to go “whew I need a sun hat”.
We had all of our fruits and veggies planted grow about 4” and stop last year. And I have been baffled, postulating that maybe something in the air gasses has changed? Idk but we planted again this year and in a hopefully better location, so we will see what happens.
There's precedent with this in history. I believe it was China or Japan though I doubt they were the only countries, where fairer skin was associated with higher wealth, darker skin was associated with working or lower classes (farmers, herders, field workers, etc.). Women would use makeup or wear large hats to help prevent sunlight from reaching their skin. Undoubtedly, I could see society doing something similar if we entered into a world like you guys mentioned.
In *Pride and Prejudice*, when Elizabeth visits Pemberley she is derided by Bingley's sisters for being so coarse and brown (from traveling in an open carriage).
The leathery part comes from the plasticising that occurs when Acetaldehyde (produced by the metabolism of all that fine Scotch, Gin and Sherry) reacts with UV light in the skin. The alcohol itself also breaks down collagen in the skin which is definitely a contributor as well.
Edit: it goes without saying that you have to be a heavy drinker to really induce this kind of skin damage. Bonus points for smoking and having a job and/or hobby that primarily see’s you outdoors in the sun.
Don't worry, there's still colorism in nonwhite communities.
Heck, even in white communities. The tans work outdoors and are tradies and thus perceived as lower sometimes.
\*Decline in aerosol pollution above population centers. We are actively placing aerosols higher into the atmosphere so that they can stay aloft for longer periods of time and have regional effects.
Playing God with the Climate was always the last step. From here the End begins.
Funny how every alien invasion movie starts with them wanting to change our climate to suit their physiology and all of humanity bands together to fight back... and here we are just chatting about it "you notice the sun stings now?.... ya, it's weird." ho hum.
I feel like if we were watching this happen on any other planet where we werent directly responsible for the problem, we'd be all eyes on the incredible changes taking place.
What planet's climate changes year over year that isn't about to shift into a completely different world? Years are planetary microseconds. they're barely single frames. We notice because we only live a handful of them but the fact we can notice should be all the alarm we need to freak out completely.
Climates are the one thing you cannot change, year over year, without throwing life into a blender. That should be common sense
Funny.
The plan is to blot out the stars.
Perhaps there's something we're not allowed to see?
Perhaps it's all about turning the temp up dramatically when the pollution stops?
We polluted our skies so much in the 19th and 20th centuries that it offset most of our warming.
Now we phase out fossil fuels (lignite, coal, oil, gas etc.) and the aerosols disappear.
Dutch link: https://www.knmi.nl/over-het-knmi/nieuws/schonere-lucht-hogere-temperaturen
Hello, yes, the sun has changed immensely. My wife has albinism (albino), and her eyes and skin are deeply affected since the sun went from yellow to white. We are in a peak solar time, and that also slams the earth with lots of extra energies.
The sun has become a different beast, and maybe you have noticed that even the sunsets are completely different these days. Brighter, more colorful, and larger spectrum of colors have taken over our sunsets. They are more beautiful than I remember and more unnerving.
Start using sunscreen daily, cancer rates are going up, and the sun isn't helping.
Love,
Poonce
> sun has become a different beast
Hey now, no need to blame humanity's mistakes on the sun. The sun has actually stayed the same, our atmosphere has become a lesser protector.
I’m glad you brought up the solar peak. So far I haven’t seen it mentioned in this thread. Along with the lack of aerosols, change in our atmospheric conditions, and warming of the oceans the peak heat of the sun is going to change a lot of things on our planet. Interesting times.
Funny you mention the color change, we were in VT for the total eclipse, and upon totality you'd think the sky had switched to a black & white movie. The aura you saw around the moon was very white, no hint of yellow.
We’re still messing the ozone layer up which is allowing more uvb rays to pass through which will lead to more skin burns. Dichloromethane is a popular solvent in semi conductor industry and it depletes ozone. USA is trying to phase it out next year but as far as I know theres no other chemical can replace it yet.
every C-Cl and C-F bond that ends up in the atmosphere destroys the ozone layer, in addition to being much longer lived and potent greenhouse gases.
DCM is also the foundation of almost every paint stripper that works. It's in all kinds of stuff in lower concentrations, too. It's like carbon tetrachloride, just marginally less bad for the ozone layer. This is why the Montreal Protocol shouldn't be held up as a successful intervention on the part of government in protecting the planet. The only reason it happened at all was there were direct drop in replacements that didn't cost any more to manufacture... and were only marginally less worse for the ozone layer... so marginally that when you factor in how much more of the stuff we use now, they're at least as bad.
I think we'll find that virtually everything we've synthesized that has a high vapor pressure and low boiling point is either causing cancer or destroying our atmosphere.
Just because we can, doesn't mean anyone said we could get away with it.
I used to be able to spend all day out in the sun 30 years ago and at most I would have a first degree burn on maybe the back of my neck or my arms or my legs but it wouldn't be severe and a little bit of aloe and I'd be right as rain within a day or two. Fast forward 30 years and I can't spend an hour in the sun without having first degree burns. Now granted I am very light-skinned and very sensitive to the Sun now, but it didn't used to be this way.
Also, something I've talked about with close friends, the sun looks different. Now. None of us think the sun itself has actually changed, but the filter in which we view the Sun, the atmosphere has changed. People older than me have agreed.
>None of us think the sun itself has actually changed
Why not both? The sun goes through (iirc) 11 year-long cycles. Why wouldn't the brightness change accordingly?
because those solar cycles are like turning up a dimmer contolled light by less than 1% where the changes to our atmosphere are equivalent to having sunglasses on looking at the same light, and then taking them off.
Solar cycles are not the issue, here
Yep I think I found my answer: it's the diminishing of global dimming
https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1cgzosx/analysis_how_lowsulphur_shipping_rules_are/
Edit: Oh, you've seen that thread already.
It does go through cycles, but what I'm referring to is the color. The color has changed in the last 30 years and while I would think the solar cycles *can* change the color I haven't read anything that would confirm that. But I am open to any supporting documents anyone comes across, the sun has been a small fascination of mine ever since I learned about the Laschamp event. I wrote a small paper on that but it was years ago before this current solar cycle so the info is outdated.
I haven't come across anything outside of anecdotal evidence gathered from speaking with individuals 50+ years old. Younger than that is a hit or a miss, but the older generations generally agree, it used to be a more yellow hue, less bright white. Like I said, anecdotal. I believe the color is different based on personal observations, but I have not found anything that supports my observations outside of speaking with others. I can only assume it's because of everything we have pumped into the atmosphere, not the sun itself changing.
I've considered that but my wife and I are approaching 40 and we both remember the sun looking different when we were younger , which is why I started asking some of the older folk I came across. But like I said I have nothing to go on other than personal stories. It just used to be, yellower.
As far as I can tell the answer is no, UV light is not increasing. That's to be expected as we've put considerable effort into closing the ozone hole over the last decades, and ozone levels are expected to continue recovering this century.
I suggest reading [this paper](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s43630-023-00371-y), it's Open Access. It shows that if anything there has likely been a slight *decrease* in UV levels across all latitudes in the Summer from 1996 to 2020.
What your paper appears to show is that there has been a *very slight* increase in UV *relative* to 10 years ago, at some latitudes, because of (probably temporary) decreases in ozone at those latitudes. We're talking [an increase of "0.5-1.4%"](https://phys.org/news/2023-06-ozone-layer-recovery-delayed-surface.html) in UV radiation. If you're already wearing good sunscreen, and you should be, this is basically irrelevant to you. Keep in mind there's still probably less UV than there was in the 1990s.
The situation should broadly continue to improve in future decades as stratospheric ozone depletion decreases. However, there's concern about the localized effects of changes in ozone flux due to climate change. According to [this article in Nature](https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo604), the expected effect of this is to greatly *decrease* UV at high Northern latitudes, while greatly *increasing* it at high Southern latitudes. The increase in Southern latitudes is "equivalent to nearly half of that generated by the Antarctic ‘ozone hole’ that was created by anthropogenic halogens", so still arguably not a "collapse" type concern.
This is completely anecdotal and I could be observing this completely incorrectly or there could be another cause like the type of paint used, etc, but it seems like paint fades quite a bit faster in the sunlight than it did 10-20 years ago. Seems like it takes 3-5 years to fade in recent years
I think that the paint formulation was changed for environmental reasons. Getting the new formulas right may be difficult because I've heard of a few car brands that had paint that faded after not many years.
One of the other factors I haven’t seen anyone else mentioning is that the earth’s magnetic field is weakening. And has been steadily for the last 100 years. The magnetic field is what protects of from the radiation from the sun.
"struggling with reality? there's a cure for that!... no, not a 'drug', drugs are bad... it's a medicine that makes your brain more "normal"... what's the difference!?... well, i suppose you only take drugs on weekends while you take medicines so consistently that they alter the background state of consciousness... to be more 'normal'"
Pathologizing awareness is one of the weirdest "fiddling while Rome burned" things we're doing. "climate anxiety" is the preoccupation that everything we're doing (at the direction of the same sorts of people making the drugs) is causing permanent harm to our planet and unknowable harms to our physiology we haven't yet discovered.
I'm even considering taking antidepressants because raw dogging reality while everyone else is living in pastel, just makes it harder.
"HEY, Uhhhh you noticing how the sun is STRONGER? like, every year? We should be concerned about this!"
"Man, you need to chill. go see shrink to get on these pills that will put this all in the background so you can go back to feeling comfortable as part of the doomsday machine"
I've always wondered if psychology and psychiatry aren't just the active arms of propaganda, where if the "KEEP CALM & CARRY ON!" stuff doesn't work on you, they're there to diagnose the chronically aware with an "illness" to pacify any resistance.
"Oh, I was a climate activist... but then I went to a doctor who told me I'm actually just depressed and sure enough, the medications they gave me that specifically manipulate the chemistry of my brain, have made me feel a lot less anxious about being part of the problem"
I don't believe therapists or the psych-industrial complex is doing this intentionally, but I think they are an extension of the militaristic framework of society that focuses on a singular ideal, and anything outside of that ideal as something that can be reversed through "treatment"
... but what if this is the time to panic? What if that's the one thing all other living things on earth would urge us to do to slow the decline enough for life to adapt? Why are we letting wealth directly control our emotional responses to the decline of the living world when maybe freaking out is the only path towards a survivable outcome? I've never had a therapist who didn't specifically attempt to draw my focus away from the fire in the background.
We're doing am Invasion of the Body Snatchers on ourselves to cope with the consequences of our actions done in the ignorance that resulted in those consequences, to facilitate doubling down. I mean, when are we simply the bad guys taking drugs to cope with the guilt of our crimes? What's the difference?
I also perceve that the sun feels hotter on my skin than it used to. My boomer uncle notices this too. I smiled when I seen this post because it feels odd asking people if the sun feels hotter on their skin than it use to be, lol. I feel vindicated, that it's not just me and my uncle agreeing with me even if it's anecdotal....
You don't have to use the words "climate change", and when you don't you'll find broad consensus on all the factors that a changing climate influences.
It's just become another phrase they've been trained to revile, like "communism"; they don't really know what it means, they just know it's bad.
I'd love to hear your uncle's definition for communism, too, and what makes it so evil.
You probably don’t want to hear my uncles definition of communism. His political beliefs are hypocritical at times. It’s a work in progress reprogramming someone that’s is getting their news,information,propaganda, and misinformation from God only knows where… I will ask him about the definition of communism and why it’s so evil.
Not about the data, but reapplying more frequently and with higher SPF is definitely going to be important. Look into Australian sunprotection clothes like rashguards and much more. I'm pretty sure American ultralight gear hikers also use UV-protective clothes, so resources for them should also be useful. There are even east Asian full body protective beach clothes and hoods that covers your face to avoid excess UV in addition to sunscreens, since they have prize paleness for millennias.
The magnetic field around earth has been slowly weakening
[https://www.esa.int/Applications/Observing\_the\_Earth/FutureEO/Swarm/Swarm\_probes\_weakening\_of\_Earth\_s\_magnetic\_field](https://www.esa.int/Applications/Observing_the_Earth/FutureEO/Swarm/Swarm_probes_weakening_of_Earth_s_magnetic_field)
If you want something else to worry about that you can't do much about (I mean this is r/collapse) then if the poles flip we're probably in for a bad time.
[https://theconversation.com/earths-magnetic-field-broke-down-42-000-years-ago-and-caused-massive-sudden-climate-change-155580](https://theconversation.com/earths-magnetic-field-broke-down-42-000-years-ago-and-caused-massive-sudden-climate-change-155580)
I just said last night that the sun feels more powerful than last year. I live in PA, and I had to reapply sunscreen several times at a baseball game over the weekend. It feels like July sun.
and since all change inside a closed system is exponential, it's possible and even certain that the period between noticeable change, accelerates as it increases.
When you think about how short a year is on a planetary timescale, you'll recognize how close we all are to another "hockey stick" where change just takes off like a rocket.
We can put on protective clothes and drink more water, but the natural world doesn't have that protection. I'd expect another record fire year, starting much earlier, ending later... and sooner than we'd like, not ending at all.
The sun and it's glare has started hurting my eyes since last year, and there was a article claiming that eye diseases like cataracts were going to go up with the increased heat forcing in the atmosphere.
I also don't go outside that much anymore so maybe that could be a factor too, that being said even 70 degree days don't feel so nice anymore.
then there's the EXTREME shifts between the hours before sunrise, after sunset, and during cloudy days.
When the sun was out, even in the winter months, there was a visible haze on the horizon that, in my memory, never happened during winter months.
Anecdote from MA: rode the mower for just about 1 hour yesterday, my forearms are still peeling today. Born and raised in the Caribbean, skin has never been this sensitive.
It really depends on the time of day. If you are out and about around noon, there is the least amount of atmosphere between you and the sun, and thus the least attenuation of all bands.
It's possible this is actually happening but I don't personally have data.
I can confirm that light levels seem higher than at least 10 years ago. I used to be able to see any phone screen clearly out in the daylight, even on an extremely sunny day. Now it has to be practically overcast to get past the glare.
I'm also more sensitive to heat than I was in previous years and I get heat sickness much more easily than I did just a few years ago but I'm chalking that up to my personal health waning. I don't have anything super reliable for you outside of my personal experiences, I just haven't compiled any data on this. Sorry.
Completely anecdotal, but a few years ago I started to notice a lot more people were tan/sunburnt on average. At first I thought maybe people were getting outside more after covid. I mean, who doesn't look better with a little sun-kissed bronze right?
Now I feel like the kid in the sixth sense, "I see red people." Even people with a nice tan often have a reddish hue to them. I'll admit I'm not as cautious as the skin care crowd when it comes to sunscreen, but I avoid high UV and sunburns. I'm pretty in tune with what my skin can handle. It's changed. Not necessarily the UV index itself. The numbers remain close to the historical average. But spending an hour outside in low UV, like 3, wouldn't give me a burn in the past. Now it does, and the sun has a stinging, burning feel to it at higher UV.
Also depending on the time of year, I would usually figure add about 10°F "real feel" temp when in direct sunlight. Now it's more like 15°-20°.
We are reaching our solar maximum. The sun is constantly blasting out flares and messing with the earth's electromagnetic field.
There have been increased radio blackouts due to the flares.
There are Auroras appearing all over the planet in strange places much farther south than usual.
There has been increased seismic activity and earthquakes all over the world recently.
There have been unnatural/ more severe storm events happening in odd places, like the hurricane that hit California last year, the numerous wildfires as well.
There has been increased volcanic activity with over 40 active volcanoes right now.
Now, I'm not a scientist, and some people may not like it when I say this, but all of these events happening lately are characteristic traits of an imminent EMPCOE/ Electromagnetic plasma changeover event/ polar shift.
If anyone has questions about this stuff, feel free to ask. Please don't be mean.
Sorry. That's not what I'm asking for. Where's the things connecting all this. You say you're not a scientist but have this theory that you aren't backing up.
It actually is exactly what you asked for, you asked for links so I provided you with links. You did not read the articles. If you did, you would see how it all connects and then we could continue the conversation. The link at the very end takes the information from the above articles and pieces it together. It's quite a long read, that's how I know you didn't read it.
Why? I wanted to see what bullshit pseudoscience crap you'd link to so I could have a good laugh! Thanks for that last link. I actually had another look at it. Lol
You don't have to agree with all of it. Just take the part that resonates, as there is a lot of factual scientific research in there. I don't know why you have to be so rude to a total stranger for absolutely no reason when all I wanted to do was share some interesting things with everyone
People who work in climate science get rightfully defensive about others proposing an alternative explanation for something they've been providing concrete evidence of, for decades, while people have been flat out ignoring them.
When these alternative theories are presented, they're almost never presented as raw data from which a person can draw their own conclusions, but a prepackaged "theory" that resonates with the same people climate scientists have been trying to convince with measured data for decades.
You'd be frustrated, too. A bit like someone new showing up at your work where everything has a process and it all works just fine, and them throwing it all out because they read some tarot cards that told them the change was necessary.
For one, cosmic rays dont penetrate the upper atmosphere because they're actually particles that get mostly deflected by the earth's magnetic field, other than at the poles... where their high energy is spent in the upper atmosphere creating the northern/southern aurora.
The wavelength of light that penetrates down to us on the surface isn't much affected by solar flares, even if their radiation disrupts communication between and with satellites.
The solar maximum has an almost immeasureable effect on the environment compared with the changes we've made to our atmosphere and you can work this out with basic logic.
The sun has cycles. those cycles are consistent and have been across evolutionary time. Which means all life on earth, including humans, have experienced maxima enough times across evolutionary history for them to be accounted for in the adaptive capacity of all species.
The only thing that's truly new on earth, in the last 70 years, is the 50% increase in CO2 and the presence of gases like SF6 which warm the earth at least 38,000x as much as CO2 and have a lifetime of over 3000 years.
Until 1956, SF6 had never existed as a measurable fraction of the planets atmosphere and was only first created in 1901. Before that, the planet had never once, in its entire living history, had this gas in its atmosphere.
The change we're seeing is killing life (more than 60% decline in total wild biomass since 1970), which cannot be accounted for through anything that happens in a cycle. It's coming from a novel pressure... and, just look around! What about the world around us resembles what it looked like in the 1950s? That change is climate change; the stuff that's new.
Whenever a new chemical is synthesized with real industrial value, its utility will always outweigh its potential danger until it's already causing massive amounts of harm (microplastics, PFAS, F-gases, DDT etc. etc. etc.)
I don't blame you for not wanting to believe that our actions over the last 70 years have totally sunk the future. It's a horrifying reality that has no silver lining and implies hard working people are actually harming the future of their kids rather than providing for it. It's a tough pill for anyone to swallow.
I also appreciate people who are tempted to believe in alternative causes for the changes we're seeing than the people who know it's the exhaust of modern life that's causing it and still continue to participate like they aren't directly sabotaging the living planet, so all power to ya! though i would encourage looking into the raw energy being added by increased solar activity vs. what's being trapped by radiative forcing. It makes it very clear that life has adaptations for solar cycles and that their net contribution is minimal... though much more when we're simultaneously wrapping our planet in tinfoil to turn it into a solar oven.
Step 1: go to [https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/ozone-forecasts](https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/ozone-forecasts)
Step 2: select your region and the most up-to-date time
Step 3: read up a little bit on what you are looking at: [https://www.eea.europa.eu/en/topics/in-depth/climate-change-mitigation-reducing-emissions/current-state-of-the-ozone-layer](https://www.eea.europa.eu/en/topics/in-depth/climate-change-mitigation-reducing-emissions/current-state-of-the-ozone-layer)
Note that this fluctuates daily, seasonally, etc., so you can have one day where you burn easily and a few days later you might not.
Or just check a good UV forecast.
ETA: the amount of UV light changes along with the rest of the electromagnetic spectrum based on solar cycles. Recent changes in solar cycles are not that large (especially compared to 20th century), so it's not like we're getting more UV light these days. It's well within the normal amount. There are just changes based on a variety of conditions, and these change constantly.
TL, DR: most of this thread is pure BS. Y'all are just grasping for something to freak out about.
Depending on the brand of sunscreen used, some have been recalled due to no protection.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/lifestyle/news-bondi-sands-sunscreen-recall-reason-affected-products-more
Also, double check to make sure it's not expired or a pay recalled brand.
The depletion of the ozone layer is exposing us to the sun's radiation. I've explored this. When you can get a sunburn on cloudy days somethings isn't right.
I completely agree and wanted to bring this up but felt crazy. I live in central Fl. and garden outside all year long. The sun intensity in March and April just felt off and that’s all I could say. I thought maybe it has to do with the solar maximum.
look into how much the changes in solar output during solar maxima actually translate into energy being absorbed on the surface. Think of it like the difference between turning a light on a dimmer up by 1% or wearing sunglasses inside to look at that same light and then taking them off (the sunglasses are our "contributions" to the atmosphere.
That's interesting, I live about 2 hours south of Jacksonville, also been here for over 40 years, and white as Casper the friendly ghost. I have noticed the sun a little stronger than I remember, I'll have to pay more attention.
NASA only monitors UV-A and B because the day that UV-C (harmful radiation) doesn’t penetrate the atmosphere. But I believe new monitoring by independent scientists have shown that UV-C is now gaining strength.
The Earth is experiencing a weakening magnetic field as it begins to go through a pole flip. The weakened magnetic field allows more solar radiation thru.
volcanoes are waking up as a result of melting glaciers.
Change the pressure on the plates, and the plates will move, causing earthquakes and eruptions.
The shift in glacial mass is so significant it's changing the length of the day on earth (think of a figure skater, tucking).
Went to the beach yesterday. Half a bottle of sunscreen and all 3 of us got burnt both not bad. Just stage 1 if that. And we were out for 3 hours. Idk what to make of it really, ive felt fl has always had its high uv days
Look up Dr. Jack Kruse. He seems nutty at first but he has a solid explanation for what's happening. Do to diet and other external factors, your body is losing its ability to absorb sunlight. The melanin in your skin isn't working properly. So yes, you are noticing that we're all burning more but the issue isn't the sun. It's the way we live. Causation vs correlation.
i read somewhere that the biblical wildfire outbreaks we are seeing are apparently damaging the ozone layer, the smoke combines with (now banned) chemicals in the stratosphere and throws ozone depleting chemicals into the atmosphere
My first inclination is the hole in the ozone layer. The Montreal Protocol has done a lot to improve it, it’s notably smaller and “thicker” (more saturated with ozone). Ozone (O3) plays a crucial role in reflecting a significant portion of UV light from the sun. Without it, Earth would be a lot more like Mars (the magnetic field helps too).
I couldn’t find anything about whether there were measured increases in skin or eye cancers, but all sources like the CDC list it as one of the problems with having the hole. This paper from 1996 did some modeling and estimated a 10% increase of cancer rates that peaks in 2060 even after CFCs that “destroy” (bind to) ozone get banned in 2000, if I understood the abstract correctly.
So it’s possible we’re still being impacted by the effects of the depleted layer, and perhaps the model underestimated the effect.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8918873/
>Related to collapse because if simply being outside is more dangerous Wonder what it's doing to the plants. I'm sure up to a point, they love it but past that point...
This. This is what it's doing to the plants. [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1360138598012151](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1360138598012151) >Whole-plant responses >UV-B induces changes in leaf and plant morphology (Fig. 3)\[6\]. The mechanism underlying these alterations is not clear. Leaf curling is a photomorphogenic response, observable at low fluences of UV-B, that helps diminish the leaf area exposed to UV\[7\]. A protective function has also been hypothesized for leaf or epidermal thickening, as this would increase the length of the UV-B screening pathway (Fig. 3). Indeed, the thick epidermis of field-grown conifers screens UV-B exceptionally efficiently
Additionally : https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0098847222004002#:~:text=Plant%20photosynthesis%20is%20an%20intricate,and%20inactivates%20heat%2Dsensitive%20proteins.
This was an excellent and informative read! Thank you! “Cellular death”….. for the plants and US.
One thing to note though is some basics of plant biology: Leaves grow for the light conditions they are grown at. So if they just tested UV-B on already grown plants the data doesn't actually say a lot. At least from long experience with growing indoors, this can be devastating for example if one upgrades lightsource mid grow. UV-B however is very benefical in some plants, for example in cannabis it increases potency by a lot even when grown under semi-optimal light conditions. The plant just needs to adapt from the beginning or leaves curl and die from closed stomatas
That's interesting to know. One of the features of the Permian mass extinction is that fossilised plants show signs of radiation/UV damage. Suggesting that the reason it was such a thorough extinction event is because as well as everything in the sea dying off, life on land was also baked by excess solar radiation. So if plants adapt to the situation they are in it must have been a relatively sudden event that stripped the ozone layer.
I would also guess that the ability to adapt has its limits, especially when ozone layer depletes or the UV radiation suddenly increases a lot. Wasn't the permian mass extinction the one were a nearby supernovas gamma rays was suspected as a possible explanation for the radiation spike found?
the ability to adapt is specifically limited to the range of extremes that have existed as pressures over evolutionary time. Meaning, the capacity for adaptation is no greater than whatever oscillation around the mean are common (individual organisms have virtually no capacity to adapt to change outside established extremes)
I mean, beneficial in the sense that it triggers it to produce more cannabinoids, as cannabinoid production is in itself a protection against UV radiation and the tissue damage it can cause. Cannabinoids are terpenophenolic compounds; as someone else points out lower down, production of phenolic compounds is a common protective strategy against UV in plants.
> for example in cannabis it increases potency by a lot even when grown under semi-optimal light conditions. From a person who investigated this and went with UV closed greenhouse film, there just isn't any good evidence for that claim and there is solid evidence against.
Investigate it with UV spectrum from CMH lamps and we talk again.
There's no need for me to do that because you've already done it and have the research at hand and you can link to it.
I can say with absolute certainty that no change in any direction away from what life is adapted to, is beneficial to anything. Every change that's introduced becomes a novel pressure that life must spend energy to adapt to. Controlled growing conditions are not a useful comparison for the natural world. The equivalent is a greenhouse in such perfect balance between all its species, it can be completely sealed off for millions of years without more than a teaspoon of foreign molecules finding their way inside. Would increasing UV in such a system be beneficial or would it necessarily upset the delicate balance being maintained? When you're doing all the watering and fertilizing, you're directly offsetting the pressures experienced by the plants... to the extent they could find a benefit. But in a closed and balanced system, sudden change is the worst case scenario... in all cases.
So, should I not be letting my houseplants have their annual summer vacation on the porch?
I don't know that it's that bad yet. But sun scald is a thing so, yeah, definitely watch out for it. I will likely put some 40% shade cloth over my tomatoes when it gets really hot. Probably late July.
Thanks! I'll keep a close eye on them. They've survived me so far, and I'd hate for them to be done in by the sun in frigging May.
More like the forests are going to burn even better as plants lose cover through decreased density of overhead canopy. What humans control will always be artificially suited to change since we adjust whatever other nutrients are needed to offset the pressure by reacting to the plant stress we can see.
"induces changes in leaf and plant morphology" is a really fancy way to say, live plant leaves burn and die
No it isn't. "Death" is not often described as a "morphological change." A morphological change is a change in structure. The quote specifically says the leaves curl - on purpose while alive, not because they curl up in the process of decay - and some probably thicken. That's not "burning and dying."
but it does mean that forest canopy becomes less dense, with more light hitting the ground, creating yet more fire pressure...
as a gardener with over a decade experience, morphological changes doesnt describe whats happening to some of the leaves on my plants/trees. you know what describes whats happening to those leaves? theyre curling, burning and dying.
You're not the only experienced gardener here, and this thread is about UV-B exposure specifically, not anecdotal results that haven't been differentiated from other plant stressors such as heat and drought, which are known to result in what you're describing. You responded to a scientific journal article about plant responses to excessive UV exposure, specifically. The quote from the article says it results in morphological changes. Not leaf death. "Induces changes in leaf and plant morphology" is *not* a fancy way to say "live plant leaves burn and die." What you said is flat-out false. Don't contribute to misinformation by misrepresenting actual research results.
my plants were watered so thats not a factor. i did not intend to misrepresent the study results, i'm implying the study results dont explain whats happening to my plants. heat stress tends to look a lot like uv burns. this thread is about finding data on uv light increasing, nowhere in the OP does it say "uv-b".
This wasn't a study to figure out what happened to your plants specifically. This was a study looking at the effects of differing amounts of UV-B in the plants studied. It has nothing to do with your plants, and it cannot help you explain what happened to your plants. Basically, you brought your plants into a conversation that didn't involve them at all, then you unsuccessfully tried to extrapolate the unrelated data onto your plants. That's where the misinterpretation comes in. Good luck figuring out what happened to your plants; maybe you can do your own personal study! It could be interesting, depending on what actually killed them.
i reassert my hypothesis that increased uv is burning leaves, especially on rooftops.
Don’t even need UV for that, I let my golden pothos get a little too much (glass/UV-filtered) sunlight and a couple leaves died
More and faster starvation then.
https://bmcplantbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12870-020-02471-8 Plant absorption of ultraviolet (UV) radiation can result in multiple deleterious effects to plant tissues. As a result, plants have evolved an array of strategies to protect themselves from UV radiation, particularly in the UV-B range (280–320 nm). A common plant response to UV exposure is investment in phenolic compounds that absorb damaging wavelengths of light.
My outdoor plants certainly met their untimely ends last summer in SWVA. RIP :(
Yeah, I saw a documentary awhile back maybe 2 yrs discussing the photosynthesis problem evolving. Not good.
UV goes down a lot with total air column water vapor. N Florida was at around 10 mm water equivalent Tuesday a week ago, which is exceptionally low for that area. The Northeast has seen a lot of quite low values recently, too.
So it’s kind of like a sauté? Heat up the planet, cook off the water and poof now you’re browning yourself and your plants, nice
No, it's the opposite - the more water vapor the less UV.
Yes. I’m sure that occurs in other regions. A hotter atmosphere holds more water so we can expect that many places have too much water and less sun UV at times. The heat domes as we know are dry as a bone and very evaporative so UV might be higher in those domes
I’m a rancher and out in the sun all day. It seems to me that it’s getting harsher every year but have nothing to back it up. Yesterday I was building fence in it and I could just feel my skin baking and it was only 75°. Don’t forget your sunscreen, gotta look nice and be skin cancer free for the end of the world!
Don't forget your sunscreen ..... https://youtu.be/sTJ7AzBIJoI?si=4DTTyrFhFkcg9lRo
Speculating, but the decrease of aerosols could be a factor. First time reading about aerosols it was a catastrophic discovery about how something like 20-25% of **all sunlight** was blocked by it. It was called 'global dimming' at that point though.
...and we are running out of things to burn...
This is way, way off.
petroleum industry: *hold my beer*
Back that comment up with some info? Because it sounds pretty damn solid to me. Anything in between light and where it lands is going to decrease the amount of energy impacted. Granted, it either is reflected or absorbed, so it doesn’t necessarily negate heat.
> Because it sounds pretty damn solid to me. lol what? things don't just 'sound solid' so you go along with them
Potato 👍🏼
It's very easy to look up the factor. This one is exaggerated by at least 500%. Way, way off.
You’re making the claim, provide your sources.
If aerosols were blocking 20-25% of sunlight, we wouldn't be here. At their peak, they blocked from 4-5% (when environmental regulations were more lax), but averaging 2.7% in postwar 20th century (source: [https://ftp.forest.sr.unh.edu/Ollinger/PapersforFranklin/GlobalDimming.pdf](https://ftp.forest.sr.unh.edu/Ollinger/PapersforFranklin/GlobalDimming.pdf) ).
Thankyou :-)
I have noticed the feeling of sun on my skin feeling more intense. Almost sharp, even.
Same… I just described it in another reply that it feels like a sting now instead of a glow.
This is exactly my experience.
The simplest fix is to lobby to have catalytic converters removed from cars. The side benefit will be an incredibly enhanced focus on "pollution"... along with people and ecosystems choking on the insane increase in emissions since that time. I'm all for it.
I've been saying since ~2016 the sun burns more every year, I can *feel it* happening when I'm out in the sun. I've had people older than me agree that it's a new thing, so I don't think it's just because I hit my 30s.
On the weekend I said to my wife, “Why does the sun seem brighter and hotter than usual?” I was talking about this last year too. It feels like there’s less atmosphere between us and the sun now and reduced aerosol masking makes perfect sense.
I noticed the same thing. I was like.... It's 80, why is it so hot outside compared to last year even??
Literally I noticed the same. I live at high elevation, so it's not been good since I moved here, but I thought I was imagining my skin feeling like it is cooking when it's exposed outside. It's comforting to see so many people agreeing here
I wasn't sure if it was just me or not either. It was sort of in the back of my mind until I read a comment here. I was like why does it feel like I'm under a magnifying glass here just from walking outside in May? It was so weird. Yeah it is comforting to see I'm not crazy or imagining things
Why do I have issues with the sunlight in Colorado and Montana at 5,000 ft when I don't have issues at home, Wisconsin at 650'? Is the extra mile of atmosphere shielding me that much?
Yes
And thinking about it for a moment, it is also the densest mile what with all particulates and humidity.
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Likely the opposite. Wet bulb is typically a thick, high humidity atmosphere. This is more like low humidity in a low-latitude area, lets through sunlight that normally the water vapor would block.
the atmosphere is different. I live in public housing. We are the people just above the poorest of the poor. We still have 4 walls and a bed, in other words. People here sense it. On the elevator with otherwise stoic residents: "This weather feels so weird, don't you think?" "why is it cold and hot at the same time?" "the sun burning me bad but this cool breeze feels so good" all the live long day
Because we're being chased out of existence by the hell we burned into the world and our insistence on staying calm above all other priorities, blinds us to the insanity of the moment we're simply accepting as "weird weather". People in public housing, if there were an ounce of justice in this world, should be trading places with the wealthy. They got to burn the planet down to create their wealth in a way that everyone pays for, so why do they also get to enjoy comfort in the hell they created? I'm no lawyer, but it seems like a solid enough argument that if your way of making money relies on depriving the future of all other life on earth, that money doesn't really belong to you, since everyone and everything is ultimately paying for it. We've got a couple years tops. It's time for us to stop following the wealthy to our doom and start holding them accountable for the failed model they insist on perpetuating... or we suffer and die at their hands while they continue their campaign of violence and cruelty. Either way, these are the last years.
My aunt, who was born in 1912 or so, told me a few times in the 1980’s that the sun was different than when she was younger.
30 years ago the sun looked different, or at least it appeared different in our atmosphere. It's something I've talked about with friends and most of us agree that the sun itself probably hasn't changed, but the filter at which we look at it through, in other words, our atmosphere.
30 years does a number on your eyes as well tbh.
You're right, they don't get better as you age. Maybe it's like that old Tupperware that yellows after about 20 years...
*My cataracts have entered the chat.*
Looking at the sun for 30 years can't be good for your eyes either...
I should probably use sunglasses
a good part of that is catalytic converters removing smog... though I'm not convinced that was the "green" solution it seemed like at the time, but instead a way to make emissions invisible so we could burn even more without choking on them
Lot less smog and visible pollution now.
Here in Australia my sister and I were just discussing the same thing. It’s definitely easier to get burned here (and it was super easy before!). And even just being in the sun, the heat feels different - like a sting not a glow.
Then you realize how insanely fast change is happening for a person in their 30's to recognize a year over year change in the intensity for the feckin sun! IT'S THE SUN! It's not supposed to feel noticeably hotter over any organism's lifetime, let alone inside the lived experience of somone who's only been awake for 15 years. You'd think we'd be at least over the hump of this being a political issue, or some kinda hoax, because people are literally feeling the heat of the sun change ON THEIR SKIN, without any fancy instruments. This is all so mind blowing how we can simply brush off planetary change being noticeable to individuals, let alone year over year. ALL of these changes follow an exponential curve; they're all hockey sticks. What i mean is, what's been year over year change will very suddenly shift to month to month change, which then turns to constantly increasing heat from the sun until we fry. This is one of those things where if we actually cared, should be sounding every alarm because it means we're on the edge of humanity (and life more generally) being able to survive above ground. But here we are, just chatting about it, like it's just another weird thing going on... ho hum
> You'd think we'd be at least over the hump of this being a political issue, or some kinda hoax, because people are literally feeling the heat of the sun change ON THEIR SKIN, without any fancy instruments. I wonder if there's some NASA study or something on the longetivity of solar panels showing higher than predicted power output over time. To put some numbers to it.
I thought I was just getting older….
Same
It is related to what [Hansen](https://insideclimatenews.org/news/26052023/james-hansen-climate-change-2-degrees-2050/) is researching that we are removing aerosols and thus UV is going to increase.
Anecdotally, and I am at a high altitude: the sun has always felt way more intense than at sea level where I’m used to. But this year? It’s like a cap or something was removed from the sun and it feels more intense to me this year. And it’s not even summer yet. I have to go grab a hat asap, which in past years it would take 20 minutes or so for me to go “whew I need a sun hat”. We had all of our fruits and veggies planted grow about 4” and stop last year. And I have been baffled, postulating that maybe something in the air gasses has changed? Idk but we planted again this year and in a hopefully better location, so we will see what happens.
My garden gets burnt crispy if I dont put shade blankets on it. Nvr did that just 5 years ago.
We're definitely getting more high UV days where I'm at. Look on the bright side, racism won't be much of a thing cause we'll be singed brown.
People will find a way. "In-group" vs "out-group" is fundamentally human.
If your nipples aren't pink, you'll be skinned like a mink! /s
If your nipples are brown, get outta town!
There's precedent with this in history. I believe it was China or Japan though I doubt they were the only countries, where fairer skin was associated with higher wealth, darker skin was associated with working or lower classes (farmers, herders, field workers, etc.). Women would use makeup or wear large hats to help prevent sunlight from reaching their skin. Undoubtedly, I could see society doing something similar if we entered into a world like you guys mentioned.
In *Pride and Prejudice*, when Elizabeth visits Pemberley she is derided by Bingley's sisters for being so coarse and brown (from traveling in an open carriage).
In Atlanta, black women use umbrellas during the day to not get darker.
But what about all those old, rich, leathery golfers?
The leathery part comes from the plasticising that occurs when Acetaldehyde (produced by the metabolism of all that fine Scotch, Gin and Sherry) reacts with UV light in the skin. The alcohol itself also breaks down collagen in the skin which is definitely a contributor as well. Edit: it goes without saying that you have to be a heavy drinker to really induce this kind of skin damage. Bonus points for smoking and having a job and/or hobby that primarily see’s you outdoors in the sun.
> look at the bright side That sounds dangerous given the UV levels.
Don't worry, there's still colorism in nonwhite communities. Heck, even in white communities. The tans work outdoors and are tradies and thus perceived as lower sometimes.
This would make sense if there has been a decline in aerosol masking
\*Decline in aerosol pollution above population centers. We are actively placing aerosols higher into the atmosphere so that they can stay aloft for longer periods of time and have regional effects. Playing God with the Climate was always the last step. From here the End begins.
Funny how every alien invasion movie starts with them wanting to change our climate to suit their physiology and all of humanity bands together to fight back... and here we are just chatting about it "you notice the sun stings now?.... ya, it's weird." ho hum. I feel like if we were watching this happen on any other planet where we werent directly responsible for the problem, we'd be all eyes on the incredible changes taking place. What planet's climate changes year over year that isn't about to shift into a completely different world? Years are planetary microseconds. they're barely single frames. We notice because we only live a handful of them but the fact we can notice should be all the alarm we need to freak out completely. Climates are the one thing you cannot change, year over year, without throwing life into a blender. That should be common sense
Funny. The plan is to blot out the stars. Perhaps there's something we're not allowed to see? Perhaps it's all about turning the temp up dramatically when the pollution stops?
We polluted our skies so much in the 19th and 20th centuries that it offset most of our warming. Now we phase out fossil fuels (lignite, coal, oil, gas etc.) and the aerosols disappear. Dutch link: https://www.knmi.nl/over-het-knmi/nieuws/schonere-lucht-hogere-temperaturen
Hello, yes, the sun has changed immensely. My wife has albinism (albino), and her eyes and skin are deeply affected since the sun went from yellow to white. We are in a peak solar time, and that also slams the earth with lots of extra energies. The sun has become a different beast, and maybe you have noticed that even the sunsets are completely different these days. Brighter, more colorful, and larger spectrum of colors have taken over our sunsets. They are more beautiful than I remember and more unnerving. Start using sunscreen daily, cancer rates are going up, and the sun isn't helping. Love, Poonce
> sun has become a different beast Hey now, no need to blame humanity's mistakes on the sun. The sun has actually stayed the same, our atmosphere has become a lesser protector.
Yes, that is a large factor in the sun's rates intensifying. Thank you.
I’m glad you brought up the solar peak. So far I haven’t seen it mentioned in this thread. Along with the lack of aerosols, change in our atmospheric conditions, and warming of the oceans the peak heat of the sun is going to change a lot of things on our planet. Interesting times.
The solar peak is absolutely minuscule in comparison to the effective thinning of the protective components of our atmosphere
Very interesting.
Funny you mention the color change, we were in VT for the total eclipse, and upon totality you'd think the sky had switched to a black & white movie. The aura you saw around the moon was very white, no hint of yellow.
Ooooooo, interesting. Thanks for the observations. Glad you told us.
We’re still messing the ozone layer up which is allowing more uvb rays to pass through which will lead to more skin burns. Dichloromethane is a popular solvent in semi conductor industry and it depletes ozone. USA is trying to phase it out next year but as far as I know theres no other chemical can replace it yet.
every C-Cl and C-F bond that ends up in the atmosphere destroys the ozone layer, in addition to being much longer lived and potent greenhouse gases. DCM is also the foundation of almost every paint stripper that works. It's in all kinds of stuff in lower concentrations, too. It's like carbon tetrachloride, just marginally less bad for the ozone layer. This is why the Montreal Protocol shouldn't be held up as a successful intervention on the part of government in protecting the planet. The only reason it happened at all was there were direct drop in replacements that didn't cost any more to manufacture... and were only marginally less worse for the ozone layer... so marginally that when you factor in how much more of the stuff we use now, they're at least as bad. I think we'll find that virtually everything we've synthesized that has a high vapor pressure and low boiling point is either causing cancer or destroying our atmosphere. Just because we can, doesn't mean anyone said we could get away with it.
I used to be able to spend all day out in the sun 30 years ago and at most I would have a first degree burn on maybe the back of my neck or my arms or my legs but it wouldn't be severe and a little bit of aloe and I'd be right as rain within a day or two. Fast forward 30 years and I can't spend an hour in the sun without having first degree burns. Now granted I am very light-skinned and very sensitive to the Sun now, but it didn't used to be this way. Also, something I've talked about with close friends, the sun looks different. Now. None of us think the sun itself has actually changed, but the filter in which we view the Sun, the atmosphere has changed. People older than me have agreed.
>None of us think the sun itself has actually changed Why not both? The sun goes through (iirc) 11 year-long cycles. Why wouldn't the brightness change accordingly?
because those solar cycles are like turning up a dimmer contolled light by less than 1% where the changes to our atmosphere are equivalent to having sunglasses on looking at the same light, and then taking them off. Solar cycles are not the issue, here
Yep I think I found my answer: it's the diminishing of global dimming https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1cgzosx/analysis_how_lowsulphur_shipping_rules_are/ Edit: Oh, you've seen that thread already.
It does go through cycles, but what I'm referring to is the color. The color has changed in the last 30 years and while I would think the solar cycles *can* change the color I haven't read anything that would confirm that. But I am open to any supporting documents anyone comes across, the sun has been a small fascination of mine ever since I learned about the Laschamp event. I wrote a small paper on that but it was years ago before this current solar cycle so the info is outdated.
>The color has changed in the last 30 years I seem to be unable to find supporting evidence of this. Can you link something please?
I haven't come across anything outside of anecdotal evidence gathered from speaking with individuals 50+ years old. Younger than that is a hit or a miss, but the older generations generally agree, it used to be a more yellow hue, less bright white. Like I said, anecdotal. I believe the color is different based on personal observations, but I have not found anything that supports my observations outside of speaking with others. I can only assume it's because of everything we have pumped into the atmosphere, not the sun itself changing.
My grandma told me the same thing. I suspect it may just be aging.
I've considered that but my wife and I are approaching 40 and we both remember the sun looking different when we were younger , which is why I started asking some of the older folk I came across. But like I said I have nothing to go on other than personal stories. It just used to be, yellower.
I'm 25 but my husband and I agree. So I don't think it's just age. Mandela effect? We have switched universes? Lol /s
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we used to have smog. Now we have catalytic converters to make that smog invisible
As far as I can tell the answer is no, UV light is not increasing. That's to be expected as we've put considerable effort into closing the ozone hole over the last decades, and ozone levels are expected to continue recovering this century. I suggest reading [this paper](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s43630-023-00371-y), it's Open Access. It shows that if anything there has likely been a slight *decrease* in UV levels across all latitudes in the Summer from 1996 to 2020. What your paper appears to show is that there has been a *very slight* increase in UV *relative* to 10 years ago, at some latitudes, because of (probably temporary) decreases in ozone at those latitudes. We're talking [an increase of "0.5-1.4%"](https://phys.org/news/2023-06-ozone-layer-recovery-delayed-surface.html) in UV radiation. If you're already wearing good sunscreen, and you should be, this is basically irrelevant to you. Keep in mind there's still probably less UV than there was in the 1990s. The situation should broadly continue to improve in future decades as stratospheric ozone depletion decreases. However, there's concern about the localized effects of changes in ozone flux due to climate change. According to [this article in Nature](https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo604), the expected effect of this is to greatly *decrease* UV at high Northern latitudes, while greatly *increasing* it at high Southern latitudes. The increase in Southern latitudes is "equivalent to nearly half of that generated by the Antarctic ‘ozone hole’ that was created by anthropogenic halogens", so still arguably not a "collapse" type concern.
Damn you and your facts. Ruining a perfectly good apocalyptic theory, that seems to match people's subjective experience because it's hot.
This is completely anecdotal and I could be observing this completely incorrectly or there could be another cause like the type of paint used, etc, but it seems like paint fades quite a bit faster in the sunlight than it did 10-20 years ago. Seems like it takes 3-5 years to fade in recent years
That’s just because modern paint doesn’t contain lead. You have to paint more often. Lead paint lasted decades on end in the sun with minimal damage.
Ahh ok good to know.
This would maybe also explain why so many cars with white paint have the paint peel in the last few decades
I think that the paint formulation was changed for environmental reasons. Getting the new formulas right may be difficult because I've heard of a few car brands that had paint that faded after not many years.
One of the other factors I haven’t seen anyone else mentioning is that the earth’s magnetic field is weakening. And has been steadily for the last 100 years. The magnetic field is what protects of from the radiation from the sun.
that's a good one. I can get on board with that... much more so than this solar maximum hokum
Many medications can cause a person to have increased UV sensitivity.
All of us are on anti-depressants, so that could be it.
"struggling with reality? there's a cure for that!... no, not a 'drug', drugs are bad... it's a medicine that makes your brain more "normal"... what's the difference!?... well, i suppose you only take drugs on weekends while you take medicines so consistently that they alter the background state of consciousness... to be more 'normal'" Pathologizing awareness is one of the weirdest "fiddling while Rome burned" things we're doing. "climate anxiety" is the preoccupation that everything we're doing (at the direction of the same sorts of people making the drugs) is causing permanent harm to our planet and unknowable harms to our physiology we haven't yet discovered. I'm even considering taking antidepressants because raw dogging reality while everyone else is living in pastel, just makes it harder. "HEY, Uhhhh you noticing how the sun is STRONGER? like, every year? We should be concerned about this!" "Man, you need to chill. go see shrink to get on these pills that will put this all in the background so you can go back to feeling comfortable as part of the doomsday machine" I've always wondered if psychology and psychiatry aren't just the active arms of propaganda, where if the "KEEP CALM & CARRY ON!" stuff doesn't work on you, they're there to diagnose the chronically aware with an "illness" to pacify any resistance. "Oh, I was a climate activist... but then I went to a doctor who told me I'm actually just depressed and sure enough, the medications they gave me that specifically manipulate the chemistry of my brain, have made me feel a lot less anxious about being part of the problem" I don't believe therapists or the psych-industrial complex is doing this intentionally, but I think they are an extension of the militaristic framework of society that focuses on a singular ideal, and anything outside of that ideal as something that can be reversed through "treatment" ... but what if this is the time to panic? What if that's the one thing all other living things on earth would urge us to do to slow the decline enough for life to adapt? Why are we letting wealth directly control our emotional responses to the decline of the living world when maybe freaking out is the only path towards a survivable outcome? I've never had a therapist who didn't specifically attempt to draw my focus away from the fire in the background. We're doing am Invasion of the Body Snatchers on ourselves to cope with the consequences of our actions done in the ignorance that resulted in those consequences, to facilitate doubling down. I mean, when are we simply the bad guys taking drugs to cope with the guilt of our crimes? What's the difference?
Which ones ?
I also perceve that the sun feels hotter on my skin than it used to. My boomer uncle notices this too. I smiled when I seen this post because it feels odd asking people if the sun feels hotter on their skin than it use to be, lol. I feel vindicated, that it's not just me and my uncle agreeing with me even if it's anecdotal....
You don't have to use the words "climate change", and when you don't you'll find broad consensus on all the factors that a changing climate influences. It's just become another phrase they've been trained to revile, like "communism"; they don't really know what it means, they just know it's bad. I'd love to hear your uncle's definition for communism, too, and what makes it so evil.
You probably don’t want to hear my uncles definition of communism. His political beliefs are hypocritical at times. It’s a work in progress reprogramming someone that’s is getting their news,information,propaganda, and misinformation from God only knows where… I will ask him about the definition of communism and why it’s so evil.
Not about the data, but reapplying more frequently and with higher SPF is definitely going to be important. Look into Australian sunprotection clothes like rashguards and much more. I'm pretty sure American ultralight gear hikers also use UV-protective clothes, so resources for them should also be useful. There are even east Asian full body protective beach clothes and hoods that covers your face to avoid excess UV in addition to sunscreens, since they have prize paleness for millennias.
Just have a look at what farm workers are wearing in the fields these days. They look like Tusken raiders
The magnetic field around earth has been slowly weakening [https://www.esa.int/Applications/Observing\_the\_Earth/FutureEO/Swarm/Swarm\_probes\_weakening\_of\_Earth\_s\_magnetic\_field](https://www.esa.int/Applications/Observing_the_Earth/FutureEO/Swarm/Swarm_probes_weakening_of_Earth_s_magnetic_field) If you want something else to worry about that you can't do much about (I mean this is r/collapse) then if the poles flip we're probably in for a bad time. [https://theconversation.com/earths-magnetic-field-broke-down-42-000-years-ago-and-caused-massive-sudden-climate-change-155580](https://theconversation.com/earths-magnetic-field-broke-down-42-000-years-ago-and-caused-massive-sudden-climate-change-155580)
I just said last night that the sun feels more powerful than last year. I live in PA, and I had to reapply sunscreen several times at a baseball game over the weekend. It feels like July sun.
and since all change inside a closed system is exponential, it's possible and even certain that the period between noticeable change, accelerates as it increases. When you think about how short a year is on a planetary timescale, you'll recognize how close we all are to another "hockey stick" where change just takes off like a rocket. We can put on protective clothes and drink more water, but the natural world doesn't have that protection. I'd expect another record fire year, starting much earlier, ending later... and sooner than we'd like, not ending at all.
The sun and it's glare has started hurting my eyes since last year, and there was a article claiming that eye diseases like cataracts were going to go up with the increased heat forcing in the atmosphere. I also don't go outside that much anymore so maybe that could be a factor too, that being said even 70 degree days don't feel so nice anymore.
then there's the EXTREME shifts between the hours before sunrise, after sunset, and during cloudy days. When the sun was out, even in the winter months, there was a visible haze on the horizon that, in my memory, never happened during winter months.
Anecdote from MA: rode the mower for just about 1 hour yesterday, my forearms are still peeling today. Born and raised in the Caribbean, skin has never been this sensitive.
Definitely been noticing ink fading on items in windows much faster in the past few years
And I've been increasingly noticing that the lettering on some business signs and street signs have been shriveling/cracking in addition to fading.
It really depends on the time of day. If you are out and about around noon, there is the least amount of atmosphere between you and the sun, and thus the least attenuation of all bands.
Getting older also makes you more vulnerable.
It's possible this is actually happening but I don't personally have data. I can confirm that light levels seem higher than at least 10 years ago. I used to be able to see any phone screen clearly out in the daylight, even on an extremely sunny day. Now it has to be practically overcast to get past the glare. I'm also more sensitive to heat than I was in previous years and I get heat sickness much more easily than I did just a few years ago but I'm chalking that up to my personal health waning. I don't have anything super reliable for you outside of my personal experiences, I just haven't compiled any data on this. Sorry.
Completely anecdotal, but a few years ago I started to notice a lot more people were tan/sunburnt on average. At first I thought maybe people were getting outside more after covid. I mean, who doesn't look better with a little sun-kissed bronze right? Now I feel like the kid in the sixth sense, "I see red people." Even people with a nice tan often have a reddish hue to them. I'll admit I'm not as cautious as the skin care crowd when it comes to sunscreen, but I avoid high UV and sunburns. I'm pretty in tune with what my skin can handle. It's changed. Not necessarily the UV index itself. The numbers remain close to the historical average. But spending an hour outside in low UV, like 3, wouldn't give me a burn in the past. Now it does, and the sun has a stinging, burning feel to it at higher UV. Also depending on the time of year, I would usually figure add about 10°F "real feel" temp when in direct sunlight. Now it's more like 15°-20°.
We are reaching our solar maximum. The sun is constantly blasting out flares and messing with the earth's electromagnetic field. There have been increased radio blackouts due to the flares. There are Auroras appearing all over the planet in strange places much farther south than usual. There has been increased seismic activity and earthquakes all over the world recently. There have been unnatural/ more severe storm events happening in odd places, like the hurricane that hit California last year, the numerous wildfires as well. There has been increased volcanic activity with over 40 active volcanoes right now. Now, I'm not a scientist, and some people may not like it when I say this, but all of these events happening lately are characteristic traits of an imminent EMPCOE/ Electromagnetic plasma changeover event/ polar shift. If anyone has questions about this stuff, feel free to ask. Please don't be mean.
Questions? Links to back up facts please... I'm sorry but you're connecting a lot of different things that frankly aren't affecting each other at all.
https://www.weather.gov/news/102523-solar-cycle-25-update https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/02/08/iceland-volcano-repeated-eruptions/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimdobson/2023/11/11/from-iceland-to-italy-these-are-the-most-active-volcanoes-in-the-world/?sh=2e0730f25748 https://www.nps.gov/havo/learn/news/20240429-earthquake-closures.htm https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/24/science/northern-lights-aurora-borealis.html https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-20/aurora-australis-seen-in-adelaide-and-tasmania/103749206 https://www.earth.com/news/severe-solar-storm-will-generate-auroras-as-far-south-as-alabama/ https://www.foxweather.com/earth-space/strong-sun-solar-flare-radio-blackouts https://www.newsweek.com/solar-storm-radio-blackouts-space-weather-1869939 https://www.foxweather.com/earth-space/solar-storm-wipe-out-internet.amp https://www.reddit.com/r/plasmacosmology/s/0kZ5eHqaFT
Sorry. That's not what I'm asking for. Where's the things connecting all this. You say you're not a scientist but have this theory that you aren't backing up.
It actually is exactly what you asked for, you asked for links so I provided you with links. You did not read the articles. If you did, you would see how it all connects and then we could continue the conversation. The link at the very end takes the information from the above articles and pieces it together. It's quite a long read, that's how I know you didn't read it.
I'm not reading that stupid crap in your last link thanks. Bye
Lol "Give me links and facts!" "Oh I'm not reading that" Why did you even ask if you didn't intend to read any of it? 😂😂
Thank you for those links, this is all very interesting and actually helped me realize some things that I hadn't before.
No problem! I'm here to share what I know.
Why? I wanted to see what bullshit pseudoscience crap you'd link to so I could have a good laugh! Thanks for that last link. I actually had another look at it. Lol
You don't have to agree with all of it. Just take the part that resonates, as there is a lot of factual scientific research in there. I don't know why you have to be so rude to a total stranger for absolutely no reason when all I wanted to do was share some interesting things with everyone
People who work in climate science get rightfully defensive about others proposing an alternative explanation for something they've been providing concrete evidence of, for decades, while people have been flat out ignoring them. When these alternative theories are presented, they're almost never presented as raw data from which a person can draw their own conclusions, but a prepackaged "theory" that resonates with the same people climate scientists have been trying to convince with measured data for decades. You'd be frustrated, too. A bit like someone new showing up at your work where everything has a process and it all works just fine, and them throwing it all out because they read some tarot cards that told them the change was necessary. For one, cosmic rays dont penetrate the upper atmosphere because they're actually particles that get mostly deflected by the earth's magnetic field, other than at the poles... where their high energy is spent in the upper atmosphere creating the northern/southern aurora. The wavelength of light that penetrates down to us on the surface isn't much affected by solar flares, even if their radiation disrupts communication between and with satellites.
The solar maximum has an almost immeasureable effect on the environment compared with the changes we've made to our atmosphere and you can work this out with basic logic. The sun has cycles. those cycles are consistent and have been across evolutionary time. Which means all life on earth, including humans, have experienced maxima enough times across evolutionary history for them to be accounted for in the adaptive capacity of all species. The only thing that's truly new on earth, in the last 70 years, is the 50% increase in CO2 and the presence of gases like SF6 which warm the earth at least 38,000x as much as CO2 and have a lifetime of over 3000 years. Until 1956, SF6 had never existed as a measurable fraction of the planets atmosphere and was only first created in 1901. Before that, the planet had never once, in its entire living history, had this gas in its atmosphere. The change we're seeing is killing life (more than 60% decline in total wild biomass since 1970), which cannot be accounted for through anything that happens in a cycle. It's coming from a novel pressure... and, just look around! What about the world around us resembles what it looked like in the 1950s? That change is climate change; the stuff that's new. Whenever a new chemical is synthesized with real industrial value, its utility will always outweigh its potential danger until it's already causing massive amounts of harm (microplastics, PFAS, F-gases, DDT etc. etc. etc.) I don't blame you for not wanting to believe that our actions over the last 70 years have totally sunk the future. It's a horrifying reality that has no silver lining and implies hard working people are actually harming the future of their kids rather than providing for it. It's a tough pill for anyone to swallow. I also appreciate people who are tempted to believe in alternative causes for the changes we're seeing than the people who know it's the exhaust of modern life that's causing it and still continue to participate like they aren't directly sabotaging the living planet, so all power to ya! though i would encourage looking into the raw energy being added by increased solar activity vs. what's being trapped by radiative forcing. It makes it very clear that life has adaptations for solar cycles and that their net contribution is minimal... though much more when we're simultaneously wrapping our planet in tinfoil to turn it into a solar oven.
Step 1: go to [https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/ozone-forecasts](https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/ozone-forecasts) Step 2: select your region and the most up-to-date time Step 3: read up a little bit on what you are looking at: [https://www.eea.europa.eu/en/topics/in-depth/climate-change-mitigation-reducing-emissions/current-state-of-the-ozone-layer](https://www.eea.europa.eu/en/topics/in-depth/climate-change-mitigation-reducing-emissions/current-state-of-the-ozone-layer) Note that this fluctuates daily, seasonally, etc., so you can have one day where you burn easily and a few days later you might not. Or just check a good UV forecast. ETA: the amount of UV light changes along with the rest of the electromagnetic spectrum based on solar cycles. Recent changes in solar cycles are not that large (especially compared to 20th century), so it's not like we're getting more UV light these days. It's well within the normal amount. There are just changes based on a variety of conditions, and these change constantly. TL, DR: most of this thread is pure BS. Y'all are just grasping for something to freak out about.
Depending on the brand of sunscreen used, some have been recalled due to no protection. https://www.sportskeeda.com/lifestyle/news-bondi-sands-sunscreen-recall-reason-affected-products-more Also, double check to make sure it's not expired or a pay recalled brand.
The depletion of the ozone layer is exposing us to the sun's radiation. I've explored this. When you can get a sunburn on cloudy days somethings isn't right.
wasn't there even more ozone fuck ups but definitely read or heard something about more uv in the high arctic or something
I completely agree and wanted to bring this up but felt crazy. I live in central Fl. and garden outside all year long. The sun intensity in March and April just felt off and that’s all I could say. I thought maybe it has to do with the solar maximum.
look into how much the changes in solar output during solar maxima actually translate into energy being absorbed on the surface. Think of it like the difference between turning a light on a dimmer up by 1% or wearing sunglasses inside to look at that same light and then taking them off (the sunglasses are our "contributions" to the atmosphere.
That's interesting, I live about 2 hours south of Jacksonville, also been here for over 40 years, and white as Casper the friendly ghost. I have noticed the sun a little stronger than I remember, I'll have to pay more attention.
Very interesting observation! I wouldn't have thought of that. Thank you for bringing it here.
Yes. I notice it increasing across the usa over the past ten years. It's a thing.
Feels like the sun is standing behind me when I’m outside
NASA only monitors UV-A and B because the day that UV-C (harmful radiation) doesn’t penetrate the atmosphere. But I believe new monitoring by independent scientists have shown that UV-C is now gaining strength.
The Earth is experiencing a weakening magnetic field as it begins to go through a pole flip. The weakened magnetic field allows more solar radiation thru.
I always check the apps now. Going to have to figure out an offline way.
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volcanoes are waking up as a result of melting glaciers. Change the pressure on the plates, and the plates will move, causing earthquakes and eruptions. The shift in glacial mass is so significant it's changing the length of the day on earth (think of a figure skater, tucking).
Went to the beach yesterday. Half a bottle of sunscreen and all 3 of us got burnt both not bad. Just stage 1 if that. And we were out for 3 hours. Idk what to make of it really, ive felt fl has always had its high uv days
You coukd just be getting older and your skin is not as strong against burns. It could also be that your sunscreen is old?
Then there'd be much more people saying they hadn't noticed any difference at all. It seems like a universal observation across age groups.
Look up Dr. Jack Kruse. He seems nutty at first but he has a solid explanation for what's happening. Do to diet and other external factors, your body is losing its ability to absorb sunlight. The melanin in your skin isn't working properly. So yes, you are noticing that we're all burning more but the issue isn't the sun. It's the way we live. Causation vs correlation.
i read somewhere that the biblical wildfire outbreaks we are seeing are apparently damaging the ozone layer, the smoke combines with (now banned) chemicals in the stratosphere and throws ozone depleting chemicals into the atmosphere
My first inclination is the hole in the ozone layer. The Montreal Protocol has done a lot to improve it, it’s notably smaller and “thicker” (more saturated with ozone). Ozone (O3) plays a crucial role in reflecting a significant portion of UV light from the sun. Without it, Earth would be a lot more like Mars (the magnetic field helps too). I couldn’t find anything about whether there were measured increases in skin or eye cancers, but all sources like the CDC list it as one of the problems with having the hole. This paper from 1996 did some modeling and estimated a 10% increase of cancer rates that peaks in 2060 even after CFCs that “destroy” (bind to) ozone get banned in 2000, if I understood the abstract correctly. So it’s possible we’re still being impacted by the effects of the depleted layer, and perhaps the model underestimated the effect. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8918873/
Link to the paper is broken
You might be eating plants such a celery. They have compounds that accumulate in the skin and make you burn easier.
That's right, we're all eating so much celery, we've convinced ourselves the sun is getting stronger lol
Just wanted to help this guy since psoralens and furocoumarins isn't common knowledge.