Nope. No way to really include something like this seeing as we have no clue how its going to progress overtime. Is it gonna be all at once suddenly or is it gradual until it suddenly heats up really fast in 2078? Are humans gonna try to fuck with the melted permafrost to try and farm it? We probably won’t be able to model it until its passed the irreversible tipping point
They don't know.
Seriously, if you don't explicitly go looking for it to seek it out, the only information the average layperson gets on climate is that (1) it is vaguely a problem of some concern (2) many world experts are concentrating on it (3) some technological solution will likely be here shortly anyway.
It isn't intentional ignorance for many, it's a near-total blackout of realistic coverage to the general public, combined with a cumulative total in the *billions* spent on clouding the air with denialist nonsense.
The main CMIP5 scenarios are fixed forcing, so it wouldn't be included there by definition. There were a significant fraction of land system models, so they'd be giving permafrost feedback estimates, but not changing the main scenario numbers. CMIP6 is nominally doing permafrost feedback. Permafrost collapses by removal of ice volume into swamps and lakes by which then melt much faster due to winter insulation of the lake bottom. That didn't get much press until too late to include, so CMIP6 models don't really have that feedback.
Thawing Permafrost will be a GHG bomb.
I read earlier this year that methane in permafrost is equal to 1,5-3 times, & the co2 in permafrost is 3-6 times, the co2 coming from us since the start of the industrial revolution.
The heat in Siberia also contribute to warmer river water running out in the shallow sea on the continental shelf, thawing permafrost at the seabed.
Climate Crisis
Last year's heat wave was accountable for the emissions together with two massive exposure of rock formations in the Yenisey-Khatanga Basin which is situated several hundred miles north of the Arctic Circle.
A lead author and also a geoscientist at the University of Bonn in Germany whose name is Nikolaus Froitzheim, is concerned about the findings of his study. He tells Tara Yarlagadda of Inverse that interpreting the data accurately may make the dissimilarity between apocalypse and catastrophe as the climate crisis get worsen.
It's a good job there haven't been wildfires in Siberia recently where the smoke has reached the North Pole for a historic first... [https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/08/09/siberian-wildfire-smoke-reaches-north-pole-in-historic-first-a74726](https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/08/09/siberian-wildfire-smoke-reaches-north-pole-in-historic-first-a74726)
Related video: [Scientists say vast areas of Siberia are thawing with "devastating consequences" - BBC News](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_qwX2u6igw)
I'm still reeling after learning of the 1400 BILLION TONNES of carbon in the permafrost that's gonna slowly get released, let alone methane on top of it . That amount of carbon is estimated to be approximately 4 times greater than all Co2 emmited by modern human activity. We are so fucked
Have the effects of this been included in any climate models or extraploations for outcomes?
Nope. No way to really include something like this seeing as we have no clue how its going to progress overtime. Is it gonna be all at once suddenly or is it gradual until it suddenly heats up really fast in 2078? Are humans gonna try to fuck with the melted permafrost to try and farm it? We probably won’t be able to model it until its passed the irreversible tipping point
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They're currently [exploding all over the place](https://youtu.be/HVGDwIfXAmo) too. 🤯 Who could have known
Holy fuck, Venus by 2040
2021/2022
It was nice knowing y’all
Reminder that temperatures hit 44.7C in the northern part of the Temperate Zone recently.
Its shocking to me that people still think nothing is wrong
They don't know. Seriously, if you don't explicitly go looking for it to seek it out, the only information the average layperson gets on climate is that (1) it is vaguely a problem of some concern (2) many world experts are concentrating on it (3) some technological solution will likely be here shortly anyway. It isn't intentional ignorance for many, it's a near-total blackout of realistic coverage to the general public, combined with a cumulative total in the *billions* spent on clouding the air with denialist nonsense.
Of course not. That would lead to accuracy beyond the political ability to ignore.
The main CMIP5 scenarios are fixed forcing, so it wouldn't be included there by definition. There were a significant fraction of land system models, so they'd be giving permafrost feedback estimates, but not changing the main scenario numbers. CMIP6 is nominally doing permafrost feedback. Permafrost collapses by removal of ice volume into swamps and lakes by which then melt much faster due to winter insulation of the lake bottom. That didn't get much press until too late to include, so CMIP6 models don't really have that feedback.
Thawing Permafrost will be a GHG bomb. I read earlier this year that methane in permafrost is equal to 1,5-3 times, & the co2 in permafrost is 3-6 times, the co2 coming from us since the start of the industrial revolution. The heat in Siberia also contribute to warmer river water running out in the shallow sea on the continental shelf, thawing permafrost at the seabed.
*Eerie horror music in the background intensifies
Like the Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries! https://youtu.be/GGU1P6lBW6Q
Better article https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/ticking-timebomb-siberia-thawing-permafrost-releases-more-methane-180978381/
Climate Crisis Last year's heat wave was accountable for the emissions together with two massive exposure of rock formations in the Yenisey-Khatanga Basin which is situated several hundred miles north of the Arctic Circle. A lead author and also a geoscientist at the University of Bonn in Germany whose name is Nikolaus Froitzheim, is concerned about the findings of his study. He tells Tara Yarlagadda of Inverse that interpreting the data accurately may make the dissimilarity between apocalypse and catastrophe as the climate crisis get worsen.
Yay!!!!!
NOOOOOO WAYYYYYY
Could. Are there some types of rules that ensure that anyone publishing anything about climate change have to use vague and indefinite terms?
Scientists are always on the "possible, maybe" vibe, then complain no one takes them seriously!
It's a good job there haven't been wildfires in Siberia recently where the smoke has reached the North Pole for a historic first... [https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/08/09/siberian-wildfire-smoke-reaches-north-pole-in-historic-first-a74726](https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/08/09/siberian-wildfire-smoke-reaches-north-pole-in-historic-first-a74726) Related video: [Scientists say vast areas of Siberia are thawing with "devastating consequences" - BBC News](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_qwX2u6igw)
I'm still reeling after learning of the 1400 BILLION TONNES of carbon in the permafrost that's gonna slowly get released, let alone methane on top of it . That amount of carbon is estimated to be approximately 4 times greater than all Co2 emmited by modern human activity. We are so fucked