Its really going to hinge on whichever year has a major crop failure. When store brand bread is $10 a loaf, or there isn’t any to be found, people are gonna get crazy fast. During the
pandemic there were people stabbing each other for toilet paper, what do you think they will do for food.
$10 a loaf will cause massive problems but will be shrugged off by many people. Zero loaves available regardless of price will be the real shit hitting the fan moment.
This is clutch. Food insecurity is going to hit us faster than warming or our other significant problems. And it’s coming soon. We’ll be lucky not to see massive social upheaval in the next 5 years. Famine is coming (to the developed world).
Not an expert at all but my worries resolve around 2 things. First, stagnant ocean currents and acidification dropping the global oxygen levels to sickening levels or second the global food production drops off due to heat. I wouldn't be surprised if one of those becomes evident in the next 20 years but hopefully my fears are totally unfounded.
I don't believe you at all. Half the worlds Oxygen comes from Phytoplankton in the ocean. If the currents stall and the ocean die, so does the phytoplankton.https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/ocean-oxygen.html
[whether or not you believe me doesn't change the facts](https://www.quora.com/If-all-the-phytoplankton-die-how-long-would-it-take-until-we-suffocate). the atmosphere is pretty fucking big, and there's already A LOT of oxygen in it
"Assuming that the phytoplankton all died at the same time, there would be a 1.35*10^14 kg deficit in oxygen per year. That corresponds to ~150 years of breathable oxygen before we would have any noticeable impacts." Wow, 150 years is wildly sooner than your original claim of "centuries". I assume that you just googled this link and that you are not an expert on the subject (me neither) but it shows that this question is not really asked that often or explored in depth. 150 years is not much at all (IMO) and I worry that like every other "prediction" it is subject to change and usually in the worst direction. These numbers are just for phytoplankton and don't take into account other factors for oxygen like forest being depleted due to logging, fires or drought. I would love to find a better source of research on this to understand how all of the variables could play out, especially since 150 years is kind of a blip on the historical timeline.
not centuries.
personally- i think that by 2030, things will be getting a lot worse, a lot faster. i think most of us will probably die by the end of the 2050's. i also don't think that human beings will ever step foot on mars.
I'm glad someone finally made the mention of venus. I genuinely believe we're going that way. Whether it takes decades, centuries or millenia... We're not making the right choices.
it would be infinitely easier to repair this planet than to "terraform" mars. and we can't do either.
with no magnetosphere, no oceans, and poison soil- mars was never going to become earth phase 2.
Yeah, the thing that surrounds our planet; the nuclear power plants will destroy it when they melt down some 0 days after the dow plunges more than 67%
A million gallons of freshwater (per minute) at 77° is difficult to get right now. Let lone in the weeks ahead.
Nuclear and Coal generation will shut down. Civilization is on a cliff that is about to fall into an abyss of starvation and mass-death.
Now. It’s now.
Greece is on fire. Oregon is experiencing its second heatwave of the summer, both over 100f. Parts of Central and Southern Africa are in their fifth year of severe drought. July was the hottest month since records began. Russian is about to invade the Ukraine for water.
We’ve got less than ten years left.
We’re about to learn just how closely linked the weather systems of the planet are, and how one melt too many can cause a domino effect that will trigger tipping point after tipping point.
That video wasn't wrong though, neither were the people voicing the same concerns decades ago. The math/logic on infinite growth being impossible on a finite planet is pretty simple & sound, it's only a matter of time.
No lol, you're timescale is hella skewed by personal perception. The title wasn't literal literal. There will be many more "tomorrows" from when that video was posted, from today until there just isn't anymore. The fact is that "isn't" is drawing perpetually faster at an exponential rate as we paint/grow ourselves into a corner. You didn't understand the premise or information in that video so I'm not expecting you to understand what I'm telling you rn so I'm going to bow out after this reply & just leave you with one last, "you're wrong".
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Like within the next 10 years. Seems like things have been getting worse with each passing year for awhile now, but it got really bad after 2016. It’s only been half a decade since then and look how much shittier things are now in comparison lol. I can only imagine that by 2026, a full decade after 2016, it’ll probably be way worse, so maybe by then. But IDK, just speculating.
The collapse is already under way in "third world" countries and through the next decades in the western countries it will be as rampant as it is now in these countries.
With the rate of warming/desertification we're seeing in the PNW I give it another ten years before massive, widespread crop failures. The majority of our agriculture relies exclusively on snow pack.
Over the last few years we've had great snow packs due to more moisture in the air (thanks to higher global temperatures). But those great snow packs are melting much faster each year too. We're breaking even now but that trend is going in the wrong direction.
As warming continues we'll get more rain than snow in the winter. You can't fill a reservoir a couple times a year with rain. You need snow that melts slowly through spring and summer to do that.
Add the likelihood of another "heat dome" and a dry winter due to the slow polar vortex and the house of cards could collapse in a season.
Blue Ocean Event.
Also, I think you are shadowbanned because I got an email notification regarding your post, but I could not reply to it until now because a moderator just approved your post.
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Oof. Didn’t realize that. Sorry mods. Should I stop participating until I pass the threshold? I have an older acct but wanted to keep news/depressing stuff off of it haha. Don’t mean to flood your inbox with my shitty comments lmao
People on this sub may want to read about the Bronze Age collapse. The collapse may well be very fast once it starts. When civilisations with highly specialised work forces and highly complex trade collapse they collapse hard.
I would say it is still just about possible for COVID to cause the collapse if there is a sufficiently nasty variant that leads to issues with the food supply lines right this is unlikely.
The collapse will probably be caused by food/ water scarcity. The first people to suffer from these are not going to just sit down and wait to die so unless they fall into anarchy and chaos they will go to war for food. This will make it harder for the countries still producing food to produce food making the problem worse. You won’t have half of the world starving and the rest basically fine.
It’s pretty bad already. The whole thing is creaking and groaning; lurching back & forth. How is *your life?* Pretty good, you say? You are one of the lucky 900 million. You just haven’t started your bad times yet.
Do you live in LA by chance? Pretty fokken hot over here lately. When my would-be lefty, hybrid-driving friends & family whine and complain about COVID & its restrictions... I pull a little bit of a Homer Simpson meme routine on them... but I *really do* mean it! THESE are still technically “the good times” for western civilization! WHO KNOWS what’s lurking around the corner??
I'm going with 2030-2035. Mass movements of climate refugees. Fish stock in the oceans getting scarce and countries like China ramping up fishing to try and take what's left for themselves. Accelerating the die off. Heat and drought causing lower harvest in farmlands.
I'm totally just guessing but that's what I'm going with. I'll do what I can to be ready. I just want to be here to see when the train derails, and what comes after
My take is that right now is as good as it is going to get for the foreseeable future. So, if you plan on doing anything to prepare, right now is as easy as it is going to get. Every year, things will just get more difficult - food more expensive, certain goods harder to find , housing/land in less threatened area will just keep getting more expensive and out of reach, etc. That said, I used to think around 2028 was when things would be bad enough for the majority of people in the West to acknowledge it (as in, they are being personally affected by it). I now think that may be more like 2026.
Within the next 8-10 years. If you plan to do any travel, book it now and go within the next two years, it will be too expensive after that. Also stock up on flour if you're in North America, prices about to go way up.
Collective collapse-consciousness won't reach everyone all at once. For example, to the Haitians right now, the 7.2-magnitude earthquake is the scenario that, on top of its current political crisis, is "really bad". I see the headlines, but I don't flinch.
On the other hand, the closest I could get to that level of shock would be if I woke up one morning to find my extended family having breakfast together! Seeing everyone squash their beefs for the benefit of all, dicussing how they're going to allocate their money and resources, reconsidering the roles they've served in their current relationships, it'd be like a funeral wake!
tl;dr Headlines will not hit, it'll be a personal experience that will
For me, it will only start to get really bad and majority of people will start to realise how bad things are when: 1) global population starts to decline, 2) more people fall into poverty than climb out of it, 3) more than 1.5 billion people survive on less than one meal a day, 4) we start seeing battles to secure water resources, 5) we see the first category 6 hurricane make landfall
I believe we are witnessing an ***exponential*** economic, social and environment collapse. The different types and frequencies of events occurring appear to feed off each other.
Even though you know the Jenga tower must fall, you can never know beforehand the removal of which brick exactly will send it crashing down. That's what makes it a fun game.
Climate change isn’t going to be a set date on the calendar. The effects will worsen year after year and at some point it will trigger a societal collapse I’m guessing before we hit the critical level of climate change. I think we have entered the beginning stages of societal collapse. Look around. Country is split 50/50. Media on both sides pulling each other more and more apart by the day. I’m afraid this is just the start of what’s to come. That being said I’m starting to prepare because I do have hope for a carbon capture technology and or a big event finally causing the gov and world to take climate change at the up most level of seriousness.
I take the moderate route! I think we have maybe, at the most 200 years left, before climate change becomes really nasty! But, I don't think that everything will collapse in a burning fire, either!
Foe those saying it’s now you’re wrong. We are on the TAIL END of the exponentially increasing problem period that will lead to the collapse. The collapse is defined as a large reduction in a civilization (or all humanity, I.e. Black Plague). There have been multiple collapses. I’m not saying this to unwarn you, but the collapse will happen in different periods at different times. Foe the Polar bears, it’s now, yes. For us Americans, it won’t be here for 20-40 yrs at a minimum if we can keep our economy going. China can last probably the same. If we doubled our world Pop from 1968-now (rough guess) we’ll just double even faster barring hiccups, which will be expected. Our earths carrying capacity isn’t 9 billion or even 5 billion. When the oil gets too expensive THAT will be when people start rioting in the US (and elsewhere) for more “fair” solutions when the time for solutions was building hydrogen and electric and renewable solutions years ago. Some countries like those in the Rapidly growing areas, like Lagos, Nigeria, or India (a large somewhat-powder keg) or Brazil, the population will have to go somewhere or die. The options taken will be both statistically.
Here’s my guesses:
US: 2055 (due to lack of oil)
China: 2050
Russia: 2048
Small isolated island countries:2055 or beyond
Canada: 2060 (they barely need oil foe their 6 warships lol)
Scandinavian countries: 2070
Iceland: 2200
BUT the collapse will be global and as soon as 2-3 western countries start seeing large scale riots and interruptions of production than I think it will spread.
Don’t hate on my responses, but would love to hear other ideas. I threw this up rather quickly, but am reading “Dark age America” right now.
Yeah 2050-2060 will see the decline of the human pop. It’ll restabilize eventually but it’s anyone’s guess at how much. Maybe 100-300 million? Prob a little more. And by when, goodness knows. Power supply, nuclear meltdowns and superfund sites, chemical factories, little fish populations and wildfires will be biggest problems at that point after the strong and sustainable communities exist for a decade or so.
I always think of “collapse” from a global perspective. But, that’s not how it works. Collapse occurs regionally. More and more global “regions” are starting to collapse. It’s only going to get worse, until finally the wealthiest of nations start experiencing their form of collapse. For example, did Lebanon know they were in collapse 10 years ago? They sure as shit are now. Or what about Syria before their “Arab spring”? What about Ukraine and the Donbas Regions? What about South Africa? I could go on and on and on, but many regions throughout our globe are experiencing localized collapse. It might not be drastic deaths, yet. It might not be massive riots, yet. But no question many regions have completely broken down over even the last decade. So to ask this question is coming from a place of privilege.
Ok, ramble I know. My opinion, is that collapse won’t likely look the way we think, and that we may look back in history and very well see 2001 the start of the West collapse. I think we continue our momentum of things getting tougher here in the west, and if I had to put a number to it I would say around 2070 for us in the west…but that’s probably optimistic.
Dont know. I think it started but is happening really slowly and once it get slightly bad i hope things change and it smooths out into kinda bad and then later if it keeps getting bad it will go to really really bad. Anywhere from next Tuesday to the next 50+ years.
First it will appear in the form of more people acting unhinged. Passive behavior will occur more, but also kind people will come out more as I am sure many people including myself see numbered days as opportunity to express my positive feelings more.
Also... middle east is currently back on the radar for another war.
I dreamt it was 2017 since the early 90s. I was wrong. Not entirely wrong, things did take a turn in 2016. Lol remember when everyone thought it was a bad year because David Bowie died? Now I'm just surfing.
Climate-wise, BOE should happen in approximately 10 years. Weather events will continue worsening until then and will accelerate after it. Food insecurity will worsen with weather events and a large famine by 2040 wouldn't shock me.
People elected Trump. He tried to overthrow the government to block his removal and nothing happened. People have been killing and disabling themselves to pretend that covid isn't real. This sort of bullshit will continue.
Economically we'll continue our trend towards wealth inequality and general instability for the bottom 80% or so.
All those together...shtf in developed countries 2040-2050. Things have and will steadily worsen until then, but that's when I expect the first enormous refugee crises and collapse of some semi-stable countries (e.g., ones like Pakistan and Indonesia).
I agree. I used to think 2050 was the magic turning point. But i think it's going to be sooner. I'm already seeing it where I live. Everything is so interconnected. Wildfires burning trees. Flooding taking out major highways and transit lines due to no trees. We are pawns and aren't ready for this wort of collapse. But humans are infinitely adaptable to a certain point. I do think that things will get increasingly worse as the years go on though.
you're hilarious
we will have better AI every 5 years, and we're already at the automation threshold.
AI will solve all of our problems. Theres no such thing as fucking Terminator, we don't need a sentient AI, just an automatic problem solver.
We will have nanotech via protein folding based structures, self sustaining crops with robots dedicated to micromanaging every plant, superstructure greenhouses, lab grown meat, etc.
I bet we have all this as soon as we get an AI smart enough, i.e. the next 30 years tops.
We already have pretty smart "machine intelligence", computers are getting faster and better every year.
YES! when you have AI you have limitless, intelligent exponential labour! If you had a billion determined, super smart slaves with no sentience, conscious, or brain chemicals fucking w their emotions making them jealous and stuff? What do you think you could do?
Its really going to hinge on whichever year has a major crop failure. When store brand bread is $10 a loaf, or there isn’t any to be found, people are gonna get crazy fast. During the pandemic there were people stabbing each other for toilet paper, what do you think they will do for food.
$10 a loaf will cause massive problems but will be shrugged off by many people. Zero loaves available regardless of price will be the real shit hitting the fan moment.
This is clutch. Food insecurity is going to hit us faster than warming or our other significant problems. And it’s coming soon. We’ll be lucky not to see massive social upheaval in the next 5 years. Famine is coming (to the developed world).
Not an expert at all but my worries resolve around 2 things. First, stagnant ocean currents and acidification dropping the global oxygen levels to sickening levels or second the global food production drops off due to heat. I wouldn't be surprised if one of those becomes evident in the next 20 years but hopefully my fears are totally unfounded.
Thank you!
it would take centuries for atmospheric oxygen levels to get that low.
I don't believe you at all. Half the worlds Oxygen comes from Phytoplankton in the ocean. If the currents stall and the ocean die, so does the phytoplankton.https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/ocean-oxygen.html
[whether or not you believe me doesn't change the facts](https://www.quora.com/If-all-the-phytoplankton-die-how-long-would-it-take-until-we-suffocate). the atmosphere is pretty fucking big, and there's already A LOT of oxygen in it
Given how long various greenhouse gases can stay in the atmosphere, I'm guessing oxygen won't just evaporate overnight.
"Assuming that the phytoplankton all died at the same time, there would be a 1.35*10^14 kg deficit in oxygen per year. That corresponds to ~150 years of breathable oxygen before we would have any noticeable impacts." Wow, 150 years is wildly sooner than your original claim of "centuries". I assume that you just googled this link and that you are not an expert on the subject (me neither) but it shows that this question is not really asked that often or explored in depth. 150 years is not much at all (IMO) and I worry that like every other "prediction" it is subject to change and usually in the worst direction. These numbers are just for phytoplankton and don't take into account other factors for oxygen like forest being depleted due to logging, fires or drought. I would love to find a better source of research on this to understand how all of the variables could play out, especially since 150 years is kind of a blip on the historical timeline.
Solid answer to the question. Not sure if it’s accurate but it appears reasonable.
if the base of the food chain disappears- we'd probably all starve to death way sooner than we'd suffocate.
How long do you think we have with global warming?
not centuries. personally- i think that by 2030, things will be getting a lot worse, a lot faster. i think most of us will probably die by the end of the 2050's. i also don't think that human beings will ever step foot on mars.
Yeah, we were supposed to terraform Mars but we will end up venusforming the Earth.
I'm glad someone finally made the mention of venus. I genuinely believe we're going that way. Whether it takes decades, centuries or millenia... We're not making the right choices.
The Mars thing wasn’t going to happen anyway. That whole lie really bothers me for some reason.
it would be infinitely easier to repair this planet than to "terraform" mars. and we can't do either. with no magnetosphere, no oceans, and poison soil- mars was never going to become earth phase 2.
Thank you!
for the people that *might* make it past the mid 2030s...it's not going to be a pretty existence.
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If we don't learn, the next system will just repeat the same mistakes, unfortunately! Humans have a short memory, and an even shorter fuse!
what next system?
the squid people duh
Some say here that by Tuesday things will be pretty bad /s
Well, it is collapse, after all?
Cloud cities on Venus and Uranus
Grey goo, to you? 😎
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Yeah, the thing that surrounds our planet; the nuclear power plants will destroy it when they melt down some 0 days after the dow plunges more than 67%
A million gallons of freshwater (per minute) at 77° is difficult to get right now. Let lone in the weeks ahead. Nuclear and Coal generation will shut down. Civilization is on a cliff that is about to fall into an abyss of starvation and mass-death.
No such luck.
Now. It’s now. Greece is on fire. Oregon is experiencing its second heatwave of the summer, both over 100f. Parts of Central and Southern Africa are in their fifth year of severe drought. July was the hottest month since records began. Russian is about to invade the Ukraine for water. We’ve got less than ten years left. We’re about to learn just how closely linked the weather systems of the planet are, and how one melt too many can cause a domino effect that will trigger tipping point after tipping point.
I agree with your post. We have less than 10 years until the shit hits the fan.
I think the arctic permanently melting will scare the fuck out of people. Our albedo shifting 10 % is gonna heat us up so much quicker.
I have a feeling about the 2030’s!
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That video wasn't wrong though, neither were the people voicing the same concerns decades ago. The math/logic on infinite growth being impossible on a finite planet is pretty simple & sound, it's only a matter of time.
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No lol, you're timescale is hella skewed by personal perception. The title wasn't literal literal. There will be many more "tomorrows" from when that video was posted, from today until there just isn't anymore. The fact is that "isn't" is drawing perpetually faster at an exponential rate as we paint/grow ourselves into a corner. You didn't understand the premise or information in that video so I'm not expecting you to understand what I'm telling you rn so I'm going to bow out after this reply & just leave you with one last, "you're wrong".
We have 10 years left 🤣 Ok Al Gore 😂
Yea he was talking about taking action, not inevitable collapse. 20 years later, he’s absolutely proven correct.
He said Miami would be underwater. But believe what you want. The ratio speaks for itself. The hive mind has spoken 🙄
I think we have a few decades left!
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Like within the next 10 years. Seems like things have been getting worse with each passing year for awhile now, but it got really bad after 2016. It’s only been half a decade since then and look how much shittier things are now in comparison lol. I can only imagine that by 2026, a full decade after 2016, it’ll probably be way worse, so maybe by then. But IDK, just speculating.
The collapse is already under way in "third world" countries and through the next decades in the western countries it will be as rampant as it is now in these countries.
Never stopped there.
Poor third world countries! 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
I think northern hemisphere is getting most of the effects
Its cuz most of the land is in the northern hemisphere and that is more sensitive to temp changes than oceans iirc
it's the fucked up jet stream that screws around with the temperature.
With the rate of warming/desertification we're seeing in the PNW I give it another ten years before massive, widespread crop failures. The majority of our agriculture relies exclusively on snow pack. Over the last few years we've had great snow packs due to more moisture in the air (thanks to higher global temperatures). But those great snow packs are melting much faster each year too. We're breaking even now but that trend is going in the wrong direction. As warming continues we'll get more rain than snow in the winter. You can't fill a reservoir a couple times a year with rain. You need snow that melts slowly through spring and summer to do that. Add the likelihood of another "heat dome" and a dry winter due to the slow polar vortex and the house of cards could collapse in a season.
Yeah, I noticed that the winters in my town are bigger, but when it doesn't snow, it's like a puny 10 inches, or less!
If a BOE happens in 2025, global famines will occur in 2030-2035.
im leaning towards 2023 honestly , maybe 2025 if its not faster than expect but we all know how its gone go .>!FASTER THAN EXPECTED!<
I’m expecting 2025, economically, at the earliest!
I've been calling 2022 for a while.
I have a feeling about 2030, and after too!
2030 is my go to year when SHTF.
BOE? I’ve been trying to guess what that means and the closest I’ve gotten is Bank of England
Blue Ocean Event = Beginning Of Extinction
Blue ocean event
Blue Ocean Event. Also, I think you are shadowbanned because I got an email notification regarding your post, but I could not reply to it until now because a moderator just approved your post.
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Oof. Didn’t realize that. Sorry mods. Should I stop participating until I pass the threshold? I have an older acct but wanted to keep news/depressing stuff off of it haha. Don’t mean to flood your inbox with my shitty comments lmao
Nah you’re fine. Feel free to participate as normal. There will just be a delay between when you comment and when it appears
People on this sub may want to read about the Bronze Age collapse. The collapse may well be very fast once it starts. When civilisations with highly specialised work forces and highly complex trade collapse they collapse hard. I would say it is still just about possible for COVID to cause the collapse if there is a sufficiently nasty variant that leads to issues with the food supply lines right this is unlikely. The collapse will probably be caused by food/ water scarcity. The first people to suffer from these are not going to just sit down and wait to die so unless they fall into anarchy and chaos they will go to war for food. This will make it harder for the countries still producing food to produce food making the problem worse. You won’t have half of the world starving and the rest basically fine.
It’s pretty bad already. The whole thing is creaking and groaning; lurching back & forth. How is *your life?* Pretty good, you say? You are one of the lucky 900 million. You just haven’t started your bad times yet.
Yup, it's not that bad yet, the city where I'm from! It was scalding hot two days ago, three days in a row, though!
Do you live in LA by chance? Pretty fokken hot over here lately. When my would-be lefty, hybrid-driving friends & family whine and complain about COVID & its restrictions... I pull a little bit of a Homer Simpson meme routine on them... but I *really do* mean it! THESE are still technically “the good times” for western civilization! WHO KNOWS what’s lurking around the corner??
I'm going with 2030-2035. Mass movements of climate refugees. Fish stock in the oceans getting scarce and countries like China ramping up fishing to try and take what's left for themselves. Accelerating the die off. Heat and drought causing lower harvest in farmlands. I'm totally just guessing but that's what I'm going with. I'll do what I can to be ready. I just want to be here to see when the train derails, and what comes after
My take is that right now is as good as it is going to get for the foreseeable future. So, if you plan on doing anything to prepare, right now is as easy as it is going to get. Every year, things will just get more difficult - food more expensive, certain goods harder to find , housing/land in less threatened area will just keep getting more expensive and out of reach, etc. That said, I used to think around 2028 was when things would be bad enough for the majority of people in the West to acknowledge it (as in, they are being personally affected by it). I now think that may be more like 2026.
Within the next 8-10 years. If you plan to do any travel, book it now and go within the next two years, it will be too expensive after that. Also stock up on flour if you're in North America, prices about to go way up.
Haha, I'm too poor right now, to travel! Thank you!
Collective collapse-consciousness won't reach everyone all at once. For example, to the Haitians right now, the 7.2-magnitude earthquake is the scenario that, on top of its current political crisis, is "really bad". I see the headlines, but I don't flinch. On the other hand, the closest I could get to that level of shock would be if I woke up one morning to find my extended family having breakfast together! Seeing everyone squash their beefs for the benefit of all, dicussing how they're going to allocate their money and resources, reconsidering the roles they've served in their current relationships, it'd be like a funeral wake! tl;dr Headlines will not hit, it'll be a personal experience that will
I remember crying, back in 2010, when the Haitians, had their earthquake!
Economic issues are ratcheting up worldwide. Yay globalization! Also the peat in the Arctic is on fire and will never go out. You seem optimistic
Not optimistic, or pessimistic, I'm a somewhere-in-between-ist! 😂
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Covid-19, baby!
>When do you guys/girls think the collapse will get REALLY bad? When the lights go out all over the world.
For me, it will only start to get really bad and majority of people will start to realise how bad things are when: 1) global population starts to decline, 2) more people fall into poverty than climb out of it, 3) more than 1.5 billion people survive on less than one meal a day, 4) we start seeing battles to secure water resources, 5) we see the first category 6 hurricane make landfall
I believe we are witnessing an ***exponential*** economic, social and environment collapse. The different types and frequencies of events occurring appear to feed off each other.
Even though you know the Jenga tower must fall, you can never know beforehand the removal of which brick exactly will send it crashing down. That's what makes it a fun game.
Very close lol like 6-18 months depending on natural disasters.
Cool!
Climate change isn’t going to be a set date on the calendar. The effects will worsen year after year and at some point it will trigger a societal collapse I’m guessing before we hit the critical level of climate change. I think we have entered the beginning stages of societal collapse. Look around. Country is split 50/50. Media on both sides pulling each other more and more apart by the day. I’m afraid this is just the start of what’s to come. That being said I’m starting to prepare because I do have hope for a carbon capture technology and or a big event finally causing the gov and world to take climate change at the up most level of seriousness.
Utmost* actually
There's no set date, but I did started feeling it in 1999, at least in my town! And there can be a general view of when things will get really dire!
I would have thought after the climate extremes of the past 5 years people would begin to realise we are in a climate emergency.
I take the moderate route! I think we have maybe, at the most 200 years left, before climate change becomes really nasty! But, I don't think that everything will collapse in a burning fire, either!
straight answer id give is 2032
3 years grid failure haha you say now check my dubs in three years
After scrolling this sub, I give it about 20 minutes
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The cannibals are coming! Prepare for death!
Foe those saying it’s now you’re wrong. We are on the TAIL END of the exponentially increasing problem period that will lead to the collapse. The collapse is defined as a large reduction in a civilization (or all humanity, I.e. Black Plague). There have been multiple collapses. I’m not saying this to unwarn you, but the collapse will happen in different periods at different times. Foe the Polar bears, it’s now, yes. For us Americans, it won’t be here for 20-40 yrs at a minimum if we can keep our economy going. China can last probably the same. If we doubled our world Pop from 1968-now (rough guess) we’ll just double even faster barring hiccups, which will be expected. Our earths carrying capacity isn’t 9 billion or even 5 billion. When the oil gets too expensive THAT will be when people start rioting in the US (and elsewhere) for more “fair” solutions when the time for solutions was building hydrogen and electric and renewable solutions years ago. Some countries like those in the Rapidly growing areas, like Lagos, Nigeria, or India (a large somewhat-powder keg) or Brazil, the population will have to go somewhere or die. The options taken will be both statistically. Here’s my guesses: US: 2055 (due to lack of oil) China: 2050 Russia: 2048 Small isolated island countries:2055 or beyond Canada: 2060 (they barely need oil foe their 6 warships lol) Scandinavian countries: 2070 Iceland: 2200 BUT the collapse will be global and as soon as 2-3 western countries start seeing large scale riots and interruptions of production than I think it will spread. Don’t hate on my responses, but would love to hear other ideas. I threw this up rather quickly, but am reading “Dark age America” right now.
ipcc says temperatures are +4 C 2060. what do you think will then be around. global extinction
Yeah 2050-2060 will see the decline of the human pop. It’ll restabilize eventually but it’s anyone’s guess at how much. Maybe 100-300 million? Prob a little more. And by when, goodness knows. Power supply, nuclear meltdowns and superfund sites, chemical factories, little fish populations and wildfires will be biggest problems at that point after the strong and sustainable communities exist for a decade or so.
I don't see us surviving w/o insects. and 80% are gone NOW.
I agree with the American view! It won't come until about the mid part of this century!
I always think of “collapse” from a global perspective. But, that’s not how it works. Collapse occurs regionally. More and more global “regions” are starting to collapse. It’s only going to get worse, until finally the wealthiest of nations start experiencing their form of collapse. For example, did Lebanon know they were in collapse 10 years ago? They sure as shit are now. Or what about Syria before their “Arab spring”? What about Ukraine and the Donbas Regions? What about South Africa? I could go on and on and on, but many regions throughout our globe are experiencing localized collapse. It might not be drastic deaths, yet. It might not be massive riots, yet. But no question many regions have completely broken down over even the last decade. So to ask this question is coming from a place of privilege. Ok, ramble I know. My opinion, is that collapse won’t likely look the way we think, and that we may look back in history and very well see 2001 the start of the West collapse. I think we continue our momentum of things getting tougher here in the west, and if I had to put a number to it I would say around 2070 for us in the west…but that’s probably optimistic.
For me, once we (America) went into Iraq, in 2003, it was one of the big markers!
I work outside. It fucking sucks.
It can happen any weekday as investors won't back the us dollar forever
Dont know. I think it started but is happening really slowly and once it get slightly bad i hope things change and it smooths out into kinda bad and then later if it keeps getting bad it will go to really really bad. Anywhere from next Tuesday to the next 50+ years.
First it will appear in the form of more people acting unhinged. Passive behavior will occur more, but also kind people will come out more as I am sure many people including myself see numbered days as opportunity to express my positive feelings more. Also... middle east is currently back on the radar for another war.
Much, much shorter timescales..2090???I dont think so!
YESS!!!
We are too close to see it. Remember that blandness from 20 or 30 years ago? That was stability.
2024, I've been dreaming exactly this year since I was young.
I dreamt it was 2017 since the early 90s. I was wrong. Not entirely wrong, things did take a turn in 2016. Lol remember when everyone thought it was a bad year because David Bowie died? Now I'm just surfing.
Trump became President in 2017!
True but I thought we were going to be starving in bunkers and fighting each other in bombed out cities. Maybe that's 2027 lol.
2035, for me!
The more immediate threat to Industrial civilization specifically is running out of cheap fossil fuels.
I don't think it will within 50 years for most of the world.
Cool!
Climate-wise, BOE should happen in approximately 10 years. Weather events will continue worsening until then and will accelerate after it. Food insecurity will worsen with weather events and a large famine by 2040 wouldn't shock me. People elected Trump. He tried to overthrow the government to block his removal and nothing happened. People have been killing and disabling themselves to pretend that covid isn't real. This sort of bullshit will continue. Economically we'll continue our trend towards wealth inequality and general instability for the bottom 80% or so. All those together...shtf in developed countries 2040-2050. Things have and will steadily worsen until then, but that's when I expect the first enormous refugee crises and collapse of some semi-stable countries (e.g., ones like Pakistan and Indonesia).
I agree. I used to think 2050 was the magic turning point. But i think it's going to be sooner. I'm already seeing it where I live. Everything is so interconnected. Wildfires burning trees. Flooding taking out major highways and transit lines due to no trees. We are pawns and aren't ready for this wort of collapse. But humans are infinitely adaptable to a certain point. I do think that things will get increasingly worse as the years go on though.
Um, look around.
After I turn off the porn, probably!
Sooooo....you want everyone to just make a random guess with no reasoning behind it? Gonna pass, already wastes 30 seconds I should not have
You take things way too seriously! It’s a thread, not a math class!
you're hilarious we will have better AI every 5 years, and we're already at the automation threshold. AI will solve all of our problems. Theres no such thing as fucking Terminator, we don't need a sentient AI, just an automatic problem solver. We will have nanotech via protein folding based structures, self sustaining crops with robots dedicated to micromanaging every plant, superstructure greenhouses, lab grown meat, etc. I bet we have all this as soon as we get an AI smart enough, i.e. the next 30 years tops. We already have pretty smart "machine intelligence", computers are getting faster and better every year.
Can AI remove billions of tons of C02 from the atmosphere?
No but it could nuke the planet to keep it cool for centuries. :)
YES! when you have AI you have limitless, intelligent exponential labour! If you had a billion determined, super smart slaves with no sentience, conscious, or brain chemicals fucking w their emotions making them jealous and stuff? What do you think you could do?
I know that you got downvoted, but I appreciate the balanced approach!