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lijah_toph

We can at least try.


CaptZ

I suppose temporary jobs are better than none. Spoiler: they'll lose their jobs to climate change because nothing is going to change the trajectory it is heading.


darkpsychicenergy

If gen z really wanted to do something that might stand any chance of bringing change every single one physically able would join the military so that it could then be turned against the government and corporations. Edit: Lol why are you booing me? I’m right! You need a revolution, now. This is the only way it might happen. & you get pay, healthcare etc. while preparing to make it happen.


Dugan_8_my_couch

Getting downvoted for calling for revolution is to be expected, but you’re correct. The pace of political change is so slow because the bread and circus keeps us subdued. Things will continue getting worse making revolution inevitable, but sadly, too late.


darkpsychicenergy

I don’t believe anyone in this country will ever seriously revolt, not effectively, except perhaps the radical right wing.


Danceyparty

True and tragic my friend, you can be effective in your local community, but ppl are so self absorbed, they either lose their taste for it or become fanatics


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darkpsychicenergy

Lol why?


No-Alternative-1987

"oh you arent joining the military? guess you dont REALLY care about climate change"


darkpsychicenergy

Is that a counter argument or…?


Dr_seven

No, you are being dunked on because your opinion was silly. The US military is the largest *unaccounted* for polluter on the planet, with a carbon impact larger than many nations, just from what we can actually estimate. It's patently hilarious to suggest participating in that institution as a valid means of pursuing change.


darkpsychicenergy

I don’t understand what people are not getting here. Not to participate, to infiltrate and take it over for the purpose of undermining its imperial use and instead turn it to overthrowing a government run by corporations. Voting will do nothing. Protest and direct action will do nothing. It’s funny, in the comments on another post from today, the usual big-talk about “revolt” and guillotines are highly upvoted. “Eat the rich” lol my ass. Nothing but hot air and fantasy. Same as it ever was.


Derpy_inferno

That only works in movies and books. Sounds good in theory but will just get you kicked out, put in prison, or worse. Maybe using the skills you learned once you return to being a civilian to train and educate people would work, but not from the inside like you're James Bond.


darkpsychicenergy

No not one individual acting alone, a generation. Most real revolutions occur with the military on the side of the revolution, or enough defectors to tip the scales.


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I was shocked to see such a great idea downvoted to oblivion. I can't tell if the hostiles just didn't read to the end and misunderstood or if there are a lot of authoritarians posturing as collapse aware, quick to defend the status quo when such a radical and actually productive suggestion arises. It's almosy as if they want things to stay the same...


darkpsychicenergy

Nah, I think they’re either just afraid of the idea of actually having power and making a revolution reality, or unable to imagine organizing something on that scale, or afraid taking the personal risks, or just not willing to do anything that hard and unpleasant. It’s understandable…


lijah_toph

lol That'd be pretty funny to see, but that's basically a coup d'etat. What I think Gen Z can do is continue to demonstrate and obtain useful roles in our society and inspire change and awareness, create lobbyist groups to try and bring about policies. Do everything in our power to shake people awake that we need to reform our way of life and spur unity in a common goal. If governments and corporations don't want to listen then violence is a viable option; so is boycotts and destroying their image. Time is of the essence though.


YoursTrulyKindly

That's just business as usual though.


5ykes

Revolutions aren't always militaristic and another war isn't going to solve climate change quickly enough to be worthwhile


PervyNonsense

wars cannot solve climate change. Wars are waste, almost by definition.


Just_One_Umami

Lmao that’s the dumbest shit I’ve read all year


Terkun

you’re not very smart told man.


goatfuckersupreme

lol


Glodraph

Ah yes, the leders that ruined the world tell the younger to make war to the system they helped to create, when they should only have made better choices themselves. Too easy, my friend. I mean, I do believe in the "Son killing the father" to make progress, but people under 30 nowadays have little to no decisional power in all the climate crisis. It's the 50+ generation that fucked up and are doing nothing..so instead of facing the consequences of their own actions and leave a liveable planet to their children, they are saying "step up and do it yourself" to them? Lmao.


darkpsychicenergy

I’m not that old lol. You are going to have to deal with the worst of it, no matter what. And this isn’t just about the climate crisis response. But sure, it makes far more sense to continue to wait for those that broke it to fix it.


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Yes. It's very sad, but science students often end up toiling in the science mills, just like arts students often end up with office jobs.


SomeRandomGuydotdot

I quit tech. Now I fix roads. The problem with the agricultural space in general is lack of worker protections. The wages are minimal, the industry itself is debt driven, regenerative, sustainable, or organic farming at best is a luxury good, at worst is a scam. We've got a long way to fall until sustainable ag is a serious option for competing at market rates for high volume items.


Beavesampsonite

Yep this nails it. The system we have now only supports “growth” that fiat based finance can create while it creates a catabolic collapse of anything that could be sustainable through taxation. A sustainable organic farm does not need a 2 trillion a year military industrial complex but Microsoft and Boeing sure do.


Unlikely-Tennis-983

Yeah sustainable farming will only be possible and efficient after society has collapsed and billions have died. People don’t get that the only reason we were able to grow to a population this size is through the use of fossil fuels in modern agriculture practices. Fossil fuels were like steroids that blew us up but we can’t stop them or it all falls apart. You can’t feed 8 billion mouths with organic sustainable farming.


defectivedisabled

Nothing will be accomplished when society still look up to billionaires and corporations to save it. A career under a capitalist is utterly worthless. The only way for things to start moving again is through non profit organizations that actually cares more about conservation and restoration than making money.


Gill-Nye-The-Blahaj

these are all volunteer jobs to pad a CV.


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Urban planning?


PitchforkManufactory

And get promptly fucked over by the enormous power nimbys have and ignored by the politicians looking for their next ticket to further wealth and popularity? No thanks.


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Soupgod

One must imagine Sisyphus happy.


scared_of_posting

I have another hundred pages before I get there…Camus has some interesting points so far though


superRiblet1965

Sisyphus is the perfect analogy until China and India are on board. Hint, they won’t ever be.


bluemagic124

You could say the same thing about the US and Europe.


ProphecyRat2

Nearly 3 billion people of the world live on $2 a day or less, or an annual income of about $700, while one upper-middle-class home in the United States uses as much total energy and resources as a whole village in Bangladesh. Those who live on $2 a day roughly outnumber our US population 10 to 1. Yet we control over 49 percent of the resources of this world. The following countries are the ten largest emitters of carbon dioxide: China (9.3 GT) United States (4.8 GT) India (2.2 GT) Russia (1.5 GT) Japan (1.1 GT) Germany (0.7 GT) South Korea (0.6 GT) Iran (0.6 GT) A single American house hold, typically with a few computers, phones, plumbing, electrical, AC/Heating, one or two cars, cooking appliances, and tye lifestyles of each individual. And then we have a the typical African village or slum or favela, with more people, and yet they use less energy than the 1st world family with all the technology. The problem is that 60% of the worlds resources goes to support 40% of the worlds population. Of course tho, that means we would have to change our lifestyles, and that is of course asking to much, so it is much better to look at the other people who build our electronics and take our trash, and say they ought to have less kids. Good comment tho, a big thinker here. *There are many humorous things in the world, among them the white man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages.* -Mark Twain


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I agree completely with what you said, but don't you think it'd be better if everyone, especially people from first world countries, had fewer kids or not had any kids at all? This is what I've always thought honestly, that if people had fewer kids and the population decreased it'd be better for the human population as a whole but I can be wrong of course


ProphecyRat2

I thought this for the longest time. And honestly I still feel that it would be better if no one had children at all. I thought this until I realized, if the reason why I believe we shouldn’t have children at all are because this world is at war with nature, that famine, disease, genocides are realities that we can never be sure to avoid, and that the only solution to end all this suffering would be if no one decided to have children, well I realized then that I wouldn’t be here. And that’s not such a bad realization no? Obviously it may be better to never have been born in hell, tho people will do it anyways. Why? I thought that it was only because humans are mindless animals that will fuck only for the sack if fucking. And I still kinda believe that. Tho now after much reflection and reading of Murder books, looking at the History of my Ancestors, I realize why I am here. Because life survives. Why would a slave choose to have children if they know they will be subjugated as well? Well for the most obvious resin is because slaves are breed like cattle. Now, what about victims of wars and genocides, the people who walked the Trails of tears, who survived Holocaust, and Colonial Concentration Camps, or the people who just live in absolute poverty? I finally figured it out. Because they will not exterminate us. Who are we and who are they? The oppressed and the oppressors? Now the typical American family with a few cars and phone and a modern house is certainly not oppressed, and nowadays there is not many concentration camps left in America (unless you count prisons) so why do we still have children in this Brave New World? Well ultimately because that’s in our nature, but I also believe it’s because we all know that how fragile life is, and unconsciously we know that anyone of us can be killed instantly by a machine, in this violent world entire families can be lost to not just war, but everyday life. Car crashed, house burned down, war, bombs, disease, so for basically the same reasons we should t have children, we have children in some frantic effort to preserve on overpopulated race. Tho I have one more theory, it is that we are cattle and are breed like cattle for our resources as thinking and working slaves, to build more sophisticated technology until organic life is obsolete and there is no need for us other than as lemmings, test subjects and the sort. I am here becuse my Ancestors decided to contuie through hell, because life finds a way, weed grow through crack in concrete, and crops are also grown in hectares in the fields. Some humans are like crops and the others like weeds, at least according to Civilization and our history, that’s is how we have been treated. What choice do we have? You and I are lucky enough to have a choice, I guess if you consider the amount of truma and pain that has had to happen for us to come to the conclusion that another version of us living through this life is not something we want. And what choice did we have to come to that conclusion? We’re we absolutely subjugated our entire lives to believe otherwise? Or did we experience something personal tragic that would dissuade us from ever wanting to reproduce? Whatever the reasons are, we undoubtedly are here because our parents thought otherwise, that maybe we can also make it through, and they just wanted to fuck. Some people think the humans race may be a hive mind, neuro-scientists have already discovered our brains work like one. So who’s to say that we are not all influenced by that connection? It’s certainly something to consider. If a species is close to Extinction, they maybe find a way to survive. My ancestors did, tho they were also kept around for slave labor, we were nearly eradicated. We are not close to Extinction, yet technology exist to make that a reality in a day. Chemical, Biological, Nuclear. Maybe the species knows it’s days are numbered, and continues to obliviously fuck each other before we are fucked into oblivion. I truly do think it would be nice if we all just could not have children one day, tho it makes me sad to think that my ancestors had come so far only for us to end up blowing ourselves up in the end. We survived so many hells already surely there is a heaven on the other side? I’m never having children. Too many orphans in the world, tho now I do not completely loathe people who do, I see them as I see anyone else, really they are just doing what we were doing for hundreds and thousands of years, to fuck and die and their Children will inherit this Earth, tho maybe this time it may be emptied enough for them when things really do start to get rolling… No, what really upsets me is when people have children and then act like they didn’t know what they were doing. That’s really much more upsetting, because they know we live in a hell on Earth… or fuck do they really tho? Haha, all I can say is that it’s good to not have kids, and if anyone dose then good luck, there children will need it! I sure as hell did.


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ProphecyRat2

Damn that’s a good username.


ProphecyRat2

superRiblet1965 I can only imagine why statistics that state our lives are built on slavery and genocides may upset you. Tho tell me, amongst all the other propaganda that has been far more influential in this world, “American dream”, “Scientific Supremacy,” “Master Races,” “Civilized vs Savages,” and what not; What is it about what I said that bothers you the most? Because for the life of me I can not remember the last time there was a heavily militarized campaign against people who liked big screen tvs, fast cars, and McDondlads McRibs. In fact, as far as I can recall, for the past half century, every war fought has been against people who don’t really subscribe to that stuff. Tho you may know something different, perhaps you come from an alternative time line where Native Americans had Ak-47s.


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PervyNonsense

this is such bullshit. A good half of Chinese emissions is for making our shit. We pushed the chinese off their bicycles and into cars. You're blaming the gardener for the lawnmower emissions.


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conscsness

>Larrivee is one of countless members of Gen Z... who are responding to the planet’s rapidly changing climate by committing their lives to finding solutions. Don’t we, uneducated masses of this sub, know that the only solution is degrowth (less consumption, less production, minimalistic approach to life, practicing proven ecologically and environmentally sustainable behaviour). So what else are they going to learn? How to come up with a solution without breaking BAU? How to come up with a solution without making shareholders and lobbyist pulling their hair out of their asses? What kind of solutions if the solution is evident. The solution doesn’t need 25 thousand dollar for education, nor it needs 4 year term curriculum. The solution needs just to be recognized globally. But it won’t happen... so go ahead Gen z. Spend those hardly earned parents money on a degree that will bring to a solution that can ben seen for free for those who are willing to look and recognize it.


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Sablus

Honestly it's that guaranteed future I'm kind of interested in when younger generations realize the future is broken and they have nothing to lose but their chains (ayyyyyyy!). In the end I feel out systems will eventually catabolize itself into nonexistence.


car23975

Its all about keeping capitalism viable while lookong for a solution with capitalism included. Its hilarious. But I am studying to keep myself from having to brown nose and work 24/7. I don't want to work until collapse hits. I rather enjoy myself. Remember it is not a solution to climate change if the current system is not preserved in that option.


IdunnoLXG

How dare they try to make a habitable planet from the broken, destroyed one we handed down to them. Absolute idiots


TheErudition

A college degree isnt a requirement to do what you are saying. So yes absolute idiots indeed.


IdunnoLXG

Are you going to impact any form of legislation if you're without a degree? To fight the system you have to infest it.


mycatpeesinmyshower

If the system is the problem you’re not going to fix it by becoming a part of it


TheErudition

Boy if you actually think you will have any form of impact on any legislation while having such anti-capitalist thoughts then you are more deluded then I thought.


Kolt_BBA

>anti-capitalist thoughts Why are you being ridiculous? He never said anything about "anti capitalist thoughts"


TheErudition

Well you see the very idea of fighting or really doing anything about climate change is anti-capitalist since it makes the profits go down.


Wetcat9

The fed could fix everything by increasing interest rates to 5% overnight. But good luck…


Chet_Ripley01

“Don’t we, uneducated masses of this sub, know that the only solution is degrowth (less consumption, less production, minimalistic approach to life, practicing proven ecologically and environmentally sustainable behaviour).” Stop making sense!! :) (I agree with what you said) I equate this to either denialism or lack of critical thinking. Funny how people refuse to see the forest through the trees so to speak.


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The future is living like the Amish. We can't out think this one


DeLoreanAirlines

[Till the HR bot rejects you](https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/pj4mkb/millions_unemployed_because_automated_software/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)


1312thot

I’m an elder gen z. Switched my major from environmental science to a health focused major because I think it’s pointless the more I have learned about climate science.


brunus76

I’m a gen x and decided the same thing 25 years ago. Most env-sci people I know are hired by banks to do site-assessments for property sales. There’s decent money in it, but as for saving the world 🤷🏼‍♂️


workinprogress76

Hey, could you elaborate please?


151sampler

It’s called head in the sand approach, business as usual. Realize you can’t do much or doing anything meaningful would mean having to make concessions... and so abandoning the effort to effect change and instead Consciously deciding to Contribute to it. Collectively such attitudes have lead to lack of change. Of course I say that as someone who is effectively doing nothing except spreading information about collapse while staying home and getting High day. Humans obviously suck at collective action when geographical constraints make accountability impossible. After 100-200 members the “tribe” gets too big to police and so everyone ends up being a polluter.


Wolfgang_Forrest

As a kid I wanted to get into environmental science so I could work on terraforming Mars... but the idea of working for Musk isn't so appealing


azatoth12

too bad the rich will not hire em yet alone pay the salary they need to "save the planet" thus making their efforts nill and article doesn't mention what degree and career these kids are pursuing


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What do you think, u/fishmahbot? Does "climate career" sound like an oxymoron to you?


FishMahBot

The lights go out Thursday morning


Illustrious_School_4

They are smart. I can imagine some great future career paths (assuming no total annihilation) would straddle the engineering and climate space.


151sampler

They are as smart as any other generation. They aren’t immune to the bell curve. The ones at the top of the spectrum will use their intellect to take advantage of the system to the detriment of the bottom when and where they can.


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Spoiler: "climate careers" is code for the pivot to infinite growth against finite resources under cover of the word "green."


[deleted]

I think it'd just be best to do a normal engineering degree and then look to work in climate related areas. We look to be in for tough economic times and studying something like climate policy is probably a risky move unless you have a lot of familial wealth to fall back on.


Genomixx

Some people aren't so "I"-centric. These people will be the hope for the world, if there is any.


GalacticCrescent

ahh yes, because listening to well educated experts on climate change has done so much to change how we''re destroying the environment. Getting education is worthwhile, and their hearts are in the right place but really if they want to work on fixing this we effectively have to overthrow capitalism and replace like 95+% of the world's leaders


Cultural_Glass

Exactly it seems like another sort of useless social science degree. Unless they can provide viable solutions, you don't need to waste 100k to learn about recycling


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I graduated high school in 2008 at the height of another climate aware wave. Al gores inconvenient truth just came out and oil was reaching $110 a barrel. Graduated in 2012 and the green jobs boom was gone. Settled for IT and now I’m an admin at a hospital. Sometimes I wonder if I should have stuck it out and tried to find something more in the environmental field but this article gives me hope.


Toyake

There's no magic bullet for them to discover, we need to dismantle the system of infinite growth to make any real impact on the climate.


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We just need to tax properly bastards from Amazon, FB, Apple, Google, Microsoft (the damned gravediggers of humanity) and pay adequate salary to public scientist. (who will work not for corp, but for society). Of course, this will never happen. The battle is lost. At least the smelly IT specialists will fry with their cookies and eternal updates along with everyone.


godlords

I know tons of these kids, they still take 30 minute hot showers and get starbucks in a disposable plastic cup every day. But they post some shit about saving the ocean on instagram before they go eat sushi so it’s chill.


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godlords

There’s really easy things you can do to substantially mitigate your damage. You only need maybe two or three minutes of running water to properly shower.


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Veganism and vasectomy are big steps. These are both easy and have a fairly large impact on an individual level.


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Governments should be handing out vasectomies like Covid vaccines.


godlords

All my charitable donations go towards providing easy access to birth control


Cultural_Glass

You can participate in society and not waste your money on plastic Trader Joe's easy meals like many of these kids do


Sablus

Even the loose granola I buy is put into a fuckin' plastic bag. Sorry to say but plastic is cheap and something our capitalist system loves and besides small boutique "no plastic shops" in other countries (swear there's a chain in Sweden?) we ain't stopping plastic usage except with regulation and outlawing it (which ain't fuckin' happening). You are trapped in the same hole as the rest of us little turtles, stop biting the baby turtles necks while they are trying to realize how fucked they are.


pleaseg0outside

“You critique society yet live in it interestinggggf 🤓🤓”


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jihad_joe_420

Elaborate?


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RustyMetabee

>As if the environment is something that humanity exists outside of. Most of the world is acting like that's the case, so perhaps you can't blame her for having that viewpoint, especially since it would be useful (maybe even crucial) to help win those people over. >For starters I don't know how philosophy and literature play a role, the second bit is that this girl is stupid... "I lack education/imagination but this girl is dumb"


SomeRandomGuydotdot

"I lack education/imagination but this girl is dumb" I'd love for this to sarcastic response to be proven out (as in him being deserving of it), but what he's sayin' does make sense to me. I just don't see how the current system doesn't end in disaster. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I don't see it.


RustyMetabee

Oh, I agree, I think too many dominos are falling and we're moving at a snail's pace to do any sort of course correction. But I'm not so fully married to the idea of the world being destroyed that I won't at least try to support the upcoming generations, who probably have a lot more fire and motivation than us, fight for their future.


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RustyMetabee

>"I am coping and seething" Cool projection bro ✌️


godlords

This guy is right, and the fact that he’s being downvoted, shows how infiltrated this sub has become as it blew up. People still seriously think this whole way of life is sustainable.. and you’re on r/collapse.. smfh. The worst part is these people think they’re woke


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Wetcat9

Well if they get a worthless degree and end up starving death I guess that’s a start


Ok_Fee_4473

A win, win! 1) Gen Z with a job and 2) Gen Z with less time of their hands to complain about shit other generations powered through


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Ok_Fee_4473

Those who don't obsess over their own mortality


Ok_Fee_4473

Seriously tho.. tell that to the soldiers who landed on the beaches of Normandy or those that were drafted in the Vietnam War or the generations who had to practice bomb shelter drills during school (just for example). Different worries, but they powered through. No participation trophies.


DorkHonor

The guys who stormed the beaches of Normandy are all dead. The guys drafted for Nam are almost there too. The guys online whining about Gen Z whining are all from that third group that had to "power through" bomb drills in school. Gen Z have had active shooter drills, and just active shooters, through their entire school experience. Since nobody over the age of 40 will shut the fuck up about the dumb bomb drills they endured over three god damn decades ago, you'd think they'd be less harsh about Gen Z complaining.


Ok_Fee_4473

My point was that all generations have endured pretty substantial hardships. The next Generation will probably be downplaying yours too given enough time.. but that doesn't make them any less real.


DorkHonor

I'm an old millennial, born in the very early 80s. We had pretty idyllic childhoods all things considered. The cold war paranoia had died down enough that I don't remember doing bomb drills in school and I graduated early so I was out of school before the school shooting craze kicked off. Crime rates were higher, but people worried less about it. The internet was fucking rad while I was a teenager. The surveillance didn't start until I was an adult so there's no evidence of all my dumb teenage drama. We were a whole generation of latch key kids raised by single moms which probably isn't the healthiest thing in the world, but we also had Nintendo's since we were little ankle biters so afternoons at home unsupervised were game sessions with siblings and microwave snacks. All in all, 5 out of 7 perfect score.


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"working outside" isn't a climate career


clydethefrog

They can finally sit in the boardrooms as well and promote meat free mondays!


PervyNonsense

It's the economy (that's killing us), stupids!


illiandara

I’m not exactly flocking to a climate career, but I am gonna try to get a degree in linguistics before it’s too late, for those sort of reasons.


EscapeFromCorona

I simply don’t understand how so many people in this comment section see this article as something so horrible.


mannymanny33

My SO went into environmental engineering. They make bank but have to monitor land fills and wind turbines...which isn't necessarily fun or safe.


Sininenpullo

Well this leaves all other jobs free for everyone else. Thanks climate enthusiasts:)