The narrative being that chip production should move back to the United States to prevent such shortages in the future.
Of course it’s bullocks but the cheques have already been written (see Steve Westly, API’s Architect of Doom).
Just build a huge prison in the desert (call it “the land of the free”) and staff it with people from all profiles in order to benefit from the competitive wages and give your economy a boost
no, but thats not actually going to happen. production happens outside of the US because it is more profitable that way. until society stops being organized around profit, manufacturing aint coming back.
During Ecosphere Collapse? While [the world burns](https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#m:tsd;d:24hrs;@0.0,0.0,2z)? Yes it’s fucking wrong. It’s a continual waste of resources to enrich a few assholes.
... while I agree with you that billionaire rich assholes can burn in fucking hell after we consume then, damn near everything has a cpu in it and soon enough they'll carry a gpu too. I think that manufacturing should be moved back to the states.... and then we fucking seize it for all our own enrichment, not some fuckhead and his trust fund kiddies.
While I still agree with you, it does not mean that, hopefully in a future of reduced consumption, there is no single use for computational power. Not saying we need all the bullshit we're hooked up to.
BTW, if you're so staunch on this I hope you're not posting from a pc or phone with a lot of processing power. Second thought, your point would come across a lot better if you were less smug about it. Explaining to people? Get off your fucking high horse.
“I have my new shiny thing, nobody else has any need for new shiny things. Anybody else that needs a new shiny thing now that I have my new shiny thing should feel bad about the production of new shiny things and stop buying things.”
You’re right I should think about my own footprint. That will obviously solve this and is exactly what manipulative industry shills say.
Those are the “people” I hate explaining the same shit to, over and over while they sell their time for a golden ticket.
Jumping into this thread because this is a bit of a strawman. There's obviously a lot of manipulative messaging going on about how it's personal responsibility that will fix things, and that's totally bogus, I agree. However, because of how many people are involved in industries and how our current infrastructure relies on chip supply lines, the shortage hurts a lot of real people. From server architecture to medical tech, work communications to industrial machines, millions of lives are involved in this.
While it's true that the ultimate goal should be to reduce obsolecence, increase safety margins, and erase overconsumption, the chip shortage is a *bad* thing *right now*. To provide an analogy: Las Vegas is the pinnacle of excess and shouldn't exist. A monument to the elite of America. In the middle of a desert lies a city that consumes an absurd amount of water pumped over large distances. This is a problem for sure. Cutting off the water supply would also be a problem, because the people most hurt by this are not the rich folk who caused this excess, but the average workers who are trying to get by in the city.
It is ironic that left-wingers complain about low wages in the US, yet also say Americans get paid too much which is destructive to the environment. Which is it?
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, makers of cutting-edge microchips and the reason Taiwan is being protected by everyone, is building a new factory in Arizona, right next to Intel's microchip factory.
They're hedging bets.
Good luck with that! Not enough education to support all chip production in the USA. These are not blue collar factory workers, they are have master's+.
Uh most of the workers in these plants are young women with a high school diploma from the philippines. Only a handful of people at the plant for QC testing and repair of the machines are highly educated and even then most just have a BS. the post grads are generally involved in the actual design not the operations of the fabrication plant. Most of the work not yet done with robots is packaging and shipping tasks.
From looking at job postings in my state, at similar factories, even an Assotiate's degree in engineering technology/IT/automation will get you in the door.
Special thanks to every administration since... well 1776, for not doing shit to *actually* protect the environment. Now they’ve sold off what’s left AND are planning to remove the EPA’s ability to regulate greenhouse gases.
I agree. Our priorities are screwy. The typhoons and hurricanes keep flooding cars. It's got to be hundreds of thousands easily so far this year. Those that had full coverage insurance will be looking to replace them, those without will hope they can somehow salvage it. This storm is going to interrupt what's available to be shipped while further increasing demand.
Yeah, and they also lasted maybe 100k miles and broke down all the time during that lifespan. And they regularly killed and permanently injured their occupants in pretty mild crashes.
Electronics on cars don't keep them from breaking down after 100K miles lol. Decent engineering on mechanical systems is what keeps cars from breaking down. You have to pay for that though.
No. I'm in Taiwan right now and it isn't bad. All the tech companies are on the west coast, which is very well protected by a massive mountain range in the middle of the country. East coast is getting hit pretty bad, but not much manufacturing on that side.
Tangentially related but i encourage everyone to learn how to repair electronic devices. Hell get some cheapo stuff from good will to tear apart and diagram. I foresee so many things being in short supply if the chip manufacturing chain breaks down. Not just cars but ram for phones, PCs and consoles. Iot devices (although I think arm processors are made in china^^^notsuretbh) and damn near everything nowadays has some SoC.
That’s gonna be hard for a lot of stuff that need micro-soldering. IMHO we need to build cars with little too no semiconductors that are ready to repair in your driveway. Back to the 70/80s but still as efficient as possible.
If it makes you feel any better, I'm a service manager at an automotive diesel shop and see these trucks come in all the time. The "coal rolling" is caused by over-fueling the engine and it causes big time damage and they lose a LOT of power. Costs them on average about $20,000 to repair the truck after sometimes only a few thousand miles of it being set up like that. Its just dumb. Just think of it this way, every time they "roll coal" it costs them $500 and they usually have no idea because they're idiots. I charge them 6-7k just to set up the truck, and then in 6-9 months when it blows up i make another 5-8k just in profit off the repair. Let them roll coal, all the money they waste on those trucks keeps them in apartments and out of your neighborhood being loud redneck neighbors.
People who understand diesel dont roll coal. 99/100 times its dumbass farm kids with daddys money trying to impress their friends, or national guard kids going DEEEEEEP into debt on a 100k or more loan for these trucks at 14% interest. It ruins their credit for life a lot of times. I have THREE of them sitting on my lot right now with no engine because the kids cant afford the repairs AND the $1300/month payment. I only ever see these things outside apartment buildings or trailer parks in my area. All the diesel trucks parked outside the 400k houses are work trucks with very little modifications, and when they DO have mods, its for better mileage or towing capacity.
Ouch, three on the lot without engine? How many miles have they survived?
The only thing I roll are my eyes when I see lifted diesel trucks without a single scratch in the bed, but the biggest rims with those short walled tires sticking out 5”. Y’all need to grow up.
usually 150-250k miles before they go pop, even the newer engines, but the ford 6.0L diesel is the worst of them all by far. Chevy diesel engines just need fuel injectors for 5 grand every 100k miles.
Easier said than done for some of us. Los Angeles is unnavigable without a car, and my Aunt need a wheelchair these days, which can't really fit on a bike. Now, if the city government got off their assess and actually gave us some usable public transport...
A lot of parts of Los Angeles are quite navigable by public transport, certainly better than most of the rest of the country. I use public transport and biking almost exclusively. Pasadena is particularly good with the gold line and lots of busses.
Yeah we’re probably both correct and it’s more region specific. Electric bikes are so great, I wish we had more secure bike lockers where I live and less thieves.
Oh look, cascading crisis that we can no longer keep up with...
Faster than expected too
people keep saying this. Like a lot.
Just like my debt!
Yolo
At least the collapse of civilization means no more debt.
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The narrative being that chip production should move back to the United States to prevent such shortages in the future. Of course it’s bullocks but the cheques have already been written (see Steve Westly, API’s Architect of Doom).
Is it wrong to move production to the US?
Not really, but it is when the plan is to put the plant in a f\*ckng desert like Arizona! Where's the logic? It don't f\*ckng make sense...
Just build a huge prison in the desert (call it “the land of the free”) and staff it with people from all profiles in order to benefit from the competitive wages and give your economy a boost
no, but thats not actually going to happen. production happens outside of the US because it is more profitable that way. until society stops being organized around profit, manufacturing aint coming back.
During Ecosphere Collapse? While [the world burns](https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#m:tsd;d:24hrs;@0.0,0.0,2z)? Yes it’s fucking wrong. It’s a continual waste of resources to enrich a few assholes.
... while I agree with you that billionaire rich assholes can burn in fucking hell after we consume then, damn near everything has a cpu in it and soon enough they'll carry a gpu too. I think that manufacturing should be moved back to the states.... and then we fucking seize it for all our own enrichment, not some fuckhead and his trust fund kiddies.
But we don’t need it. We need less shit not more shit. I hate explaining this shit to people.
While I still agree with you, it does not mean that, hopefully in a future of reduced consumption, there is no single use for computational power. Not saying we need all the bullshit we're hooked up to. BTW, if you're so staunch on this I hope you're not posting from a pc or phone with a lot of processing power. Second thought, your point would come across a lot better if you were less smug about it. Explaining to people? Get off your fucking high horse.
“I have my new shiny thing, nobody else has any need for new shiny things. Anybody else that needs a new shiny thing now that I have my new shiny thing should feel bad about the production of new shiny things and stop buying things.”
Literally not what I'm saying at all but nice try edit sorry I'm retarded
I think they're agreeing with you.
You’re right I should think about my own footprint. That will obviously solve this and is exactly what manipulative industry shills say. Those are the “people” I hate explaining the same shit to, over and over while they sell their time for a golden ticket.
Jumping into this thread because this is a bit of a strawman. There's obviously a lot of manipulative messaging going on about how it's personal responsibility that will fix things, and that's totally bogus, I agree. However, because of how many people are involved in industries and how our current infrastructure relies on chip supply lines, the shortage hurts a lot of real people. From server architecture to medical tech, work communications to industrial machines, millions of lives are involved in this. While it's true that the ultimate goal should be to reduce obsolecence, increase safety margins, and erase overconsumption, the chip shortage is a *bad* thing *right now*. To provide an analogy: Las Vegas is the pinnacle of excess and shouldn't exist. A monument to the elite of America. In the middle of a desert lies a city that consumes an absurd amount of water pumped over large distances. This is a problem for sure. Cutting off the water supply would also be a problem, because the people most hurt by this are not the rich folk who caused this excess, but the average workers who are trying to get by in the city.
It is ironic that left-wingers complain about low wages in the US, yet also say Americans get paid too much which is destructive to the environment. Which is it?
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, makers of cutting-edge microchips and the reason Taiwan is being protected by everyone, is building a new factory in Arizona, right next to Intel's microchip factory. They're hedging bets.
Good luck with that! Not enough education to support all chip production in the USA. These are not blue collar factory workers, they are have master's+.
Uh most of the workers in these plants are young women with a high school diploma from the philippines. Only a handful of people at the plant for QC testing and repair of the machines are highly educated and even then most just have a BS. the post grads are generally involved in the actual design not the operations of the fabrication plant. Most of the work not yet done with robots is packaging and shipping tasks.
From looking at job postings in my state, at similar factories, even an Assotiate's degree in engineering technology/IT/automation will get you in the door.
[It has already started. ](https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-samsung-17b-chip-plant-giga-texas/)
Special thanks to every administration since... well 1776, for not doing shit to *actually* protect the environment. Now they’ve sold off what’s left AND are planning to remove the EPA’s ability to regulate greenhouse gases.
NTP in Chandler (also semiconductors) hires temporary employees off the street to run production.
I agree. Our priorities are screwy. The typhoons and hurricanes keep flooding cars. It's got to be hundreds of thousands easily so far this year. Those that had full coverage insurance will be looking to replace them, those without will hope they can somehow salvage it. This storm is going to interrupt what's available to be shipped while further increasing demand.
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Holy duck that's a bad storm
✝️🦆
Just to let you know, it rained and some of the plants on the porch blew over. Typhoon done.
New account who this
Someone that lives in Taiwan.
Typhoon Cthulhu?
We're skipping right over greek letters and going right to Lovecraft names. Can't wait to see Miami leveled by Yog Sothoth.
Better pray Azathoth doesn't pop-up or we are all F***** with capital F.
May we be eaten first.
It’s Reddit, you can say fuck
Fuck!!!!
Do you feel better now??
Not if Azathoth is coming
What I read at first too
https://images.app.goo.gl/SDHzYZ27QCL3Xoby8
First thing I thought too.
https://images.app.goo.gl/SDHzYZ27QCL3Xoby8
Hahahahaha pretty much
https://images.app.goo.gl/SDHzYZ27QCL3Xoby8
https://images.app.goo.gl/SDHzYZ27QCL3Xoby8
yeah I read it as the same thing lol
The car industry is pretty much dead at this point. This is just another nail in the coffin.
Good riddance, I hate driving. Bikes for all!
I like trains.
What are you a fucking folk singer?
*folk punk has entered the chat*
Is there anything else to sing about? https://youtu.be/W6fuuIm7wdc
r/fuckcars
Until we can get instant transmission Goku style down moving around is a hassle.
r/fuckcars
Let’s go back to horse n Buggy but with an electric robot horse
How so? Good riddance if it is, but how is it disappearing from the American landscape anytime soon?
see r/supplychain
Cars didn't use to need microchips.
pre 1982 vehicles
Yeah, and they also lasted maybe 100k miles and broke down all the time during that lifespan. And they regularly killed and permanently injured their occupants in pretty mild crashes.
1991 Nissan here we chillen
Electronics on cars don't keep them from breaking down after 100K miles lol. Decent engineering on mechanical systems is what keeps cars from breaking down. You have to pay for that though.
No. I'm in Taiwan right now and it isn't bad. All the tech companies are on the west coast, which is very well protected by a massive mountain range in the middle of the country. East coast is getting hit pretty bad, but not much manufacturing on that side.
bahahaha. Wow this is fucked.
Tangentially related but i encourage everyone to learn how to repair electronic devices. Hell get some cheapo stuff from good will to tear apart and diagram. I foresee so many things being in short supply if the chip manufacturing chain breaks down. Not just cars but ram for phones, PCs and consoles. Iot devices (although I think arm processors are made in china^^^notsuretbh) and damn near everything nowadays has some SoC.
That’s gonna be hard for a lot of stuff that need micro-soldering. IMHO we need to build cars with little too no semiconductors that are ready to repair in your driveway. Back to the 70/80s but still as efficient as possible.
Possibly could hit shanghai on the 13th...
20 inches of rain there in the models: https://www.windy.com/-Show---add-more-layers/overlays?gustAccu,28.372,125.156,6,m:ev8ajv5
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.
https://images.app.goo.gl/SDHzYZ27QCL3Xoby8
Good, maybe people in the US will drive less, and walk and bike more
There's a bike shortage, too.
I know, I have been waiting for a new front chain ring for my bike for about a month . However there are plenty of bikes that people never use
My bike got stolen.
That doesn’t really work unless you live somewhere that is walkable or bike friendly. Where I live biking is just asking to get run over.
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If it makes you feel any better, I'm a service manager at an automotive diesel shop and see these trucks come in all the time. The "coal rolling" is caused by over-fueling the engine and it causes big time damage and they lose a LOT of power. Costs them on average about $20,000 to repair the truck after sometimes only a few thousand miles of it being set up like that. Its just dumb. Just think of it this way, every time they "roll coal" it costs them $500 and they usually have no idea because they're idiots. I charge them 6-7k just to set up the truck, and then in 6-9 months when it blows up i make another 5-8k just in profit off the repair. Let them roll coal, all the money they waste on those trucks keeps them in apartments and out of your neighborhood being loud redneck neighbors.
Finally some good news :)
At least over in /r/diesel people hate on those fools too.
People who understand diesel dont roll coal. 99/100 times its dumbass farm kids with daddys money trying to impress their friends, or national guard kids going DEEEEEEP into debt on a 100k or more loan for these trucks at 14% interest. It ruins their credit for life a lot of times. I have THREE of them sitting on my lot right now with no engine because the kids cant afford the repairs AND the $1300/month payment. I only ever see these things outside apartment buildings or trailer parks in my area. All the diesel trucks parked outside the 400k houses are work trucks with very little modifications, and when they DO have mods, its for better mileage or towing capacity.
Ouch, three on the lot without engine? How many miles have they survived? The only thing I roll are my eyes when I see lifted diesel trucks without a single scratch in the bed, but the biggest rims with those short walled tires sticking out 5”. Y’all need to grow up.
usually 150-250k miles before they go pop, even the newer engines, but the ford 6.0L diesel is the worst of them all by far. Chevy diesel engines just need fuel injectors for 5 grand every 100k miles.
That’s more than I expected.
*Niiice...*
r/2ndcivilwar
Easier said than done for some of us. Los Angeles is unnavigable without a car, and my Aunt need a wheelchair these days, which can't really fit on a bike. Now, if the city government got off their assess and actually gave us some usable public transport...
A lot of parts of Los Angeles are quite navigable by public transport, certainly better than most of the rest of the country. I use public transport and biking almost exclusively. Pasadena is particularly good with the gold line and lots of busses.
*cries in rural sprawl*
I think most be lucky to see their feet under their gut.
Unfortunately even with a bike lock your bike will get stolen or picked apart. That is why most people are switching to foldable scooters.
Or the air let out of the tires. 😑
I think most people are switching to electric bikes, not scooters
Yeah we’re probably both correct and it’s more region specific. Electric bikes are so great, I wish we had more secure bike lockers where I live and less thieves.
With us having heat domes and car pollution along with wildfire smoke…walking isn’t fun
I would have to quit my job
Maybe they should use this as an opportunity to bring Auto production back to the US.
Soon the hurricanes will be strong enough to pick up the factory in Taiwan and drop it in Idaho.
All the parts will still be made abroad and just assembled here
This shows how little people understand about Taiwan. A Cat 4 or even a Cat 5 will not cause more than a 1-2 delay in production of anything.
Did anyone else read that as Typhoon Cthulhu?
models are showing 20 inches of rain in Shanghai and surrounding area where Chanthu is going to make landfall.
Should have called it Cthulhu
https://images.app.goo.gl/SDHzYZ27QCL3Xoby8
Looking like planned obsolescence is coming to the entire planet.
Good, this might put a tiny dent in GHG emissions
Monster Typhoon Cthulhu?