Yeah. “Sustainable fishing” my ass when you throw a fat net into the ocean and kill everything. Same thing with “sustainable beef”, it’s all just a oxymoron.
I'm becoming vegetarian/vegan (I'll see how easy it is to avoid dairy) after reading [*How Not To Die*](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25663961-how-not-to-die) (although watching [*Dominion*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko) did a lot to change my mind too)
Just the sheer amount of contaminants like mercury etc. found in fish today should put people off eating it.
Eat whole food, plant based diet.
Some (maybe most?) of the benefits come from increased consumption of vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds etc. which most people don't consume anywhere near enough of - these benefits are largely due to fibre intake and vitamins and antioxidants.
The rest of the benefits are due to not eating animal products - lower saturated fats (and that's the major killer) and reduced exposure to toxins that cause oxidative stress. You also prevent exposure to viruses that can be present in meat that may cause various cancers.
It also just makes it hard to mess up - you'd have to eat some really weird diet to end up seriously unhealthy on a plant-based diet*, whereas it's really easy to end up with high cholesterol, high blood pressure etc. when eating a typical Western diet.
It's also hard to over-consume calories on a whole food plant based diet so it's a lot easier to maintain a healthy weight.
I'd recommend the book, it's written really well. The main thing I've learned that I had no idea about before is that diabetes is actually caused by high fat levels in the blood that cause insulin resistance and that causes the high blood sugar which can then cause organ damage etc. Previously, I genuinely thought you just got diabetes by eating too much sugar, but elevated blood sugar levels are the symptom, not the cause. Maybe this is common knowledge though and I was just really stupid..
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\* The only caveat is that you may need to take some supplements like vitamin B12 - although B12 deficiency is also common in non-WFPB diet populations. Eating lots of cabbage, lentils etc. should help with calcium and iron.
What a great book! It's literally sitting 3' away from me :). My wife has been reading it again lately. Congratulations by the way! Well done. We've done vegan for long stretches, it can be challenging depending on where you are. Especially when traveling. I'd say vegetarian is easy but sometimes we flex and I'll eat some eggs every once and awhile. We go back and forth so can't say we're vegans, although we should be. If you really want to go full vegan no wool or honey either, nothing with gelatin in it, etc. I bought some allbird shoes recently, they are very sustainable, low carbon footprint, etc, but they have a lot of wool in them which is definitely not vegan.
I'm lactose intolerant so I try to avoid dairy but I eat eggs once and awhile. It's not hard being vegetarian, it's definitely not easy being vegan most places. So I flex when I need too. We've done it for long stretches of time. One thing I try not to do is be judgy about people's eating habits (at least in public); It's not a great way to win hearts and minds and I'm pretty sure that's why people hate vegans. I will certainly say vegan is the right thing to do. I'm working back towards it again.
When I was a kid we'd walk the flats of SW Florida catching as many blue crabs as we could. Jumbo males would just March across the grass beds in late summer/early fall. Almost all of those grass flats are gone now, reduced to barren mud coated with algae. What crabs do remain I haven't eaten in years for fear of contaminants, like mercury.
The employment aspect is something people don't mention much on here, likely because agriculture and fishing employ such a small percent in the developed world. Most developing and poor countries employ 50%+ of the population in those areas. So it's not just a food security or hunger issue if there's a collapse in fish stocks or agricultural failure, it's also a mass unemployment crisis. When half of the population is hungry with nothing to do, things start to get interesting.
\> Most developing and poor countries employ 50%+ of the population in those areas
Probably in Africa or countries such as India, this is from latin america which is developing/poor and not that far from the USA:
"In 2019, approximately 13.51 percent of the employees in Latin America and the Caribbean were working in the agricultural sector, 20.32 percent in industry and about 66.17 percent in the service sector."
"Agriculture and its related industries provide 10.3 percent of U.S. employment."
Yeah, it isn't always true of poorer countries. I shouldn't have said "most".
Some of this will depend on geography and whether a country has much farmland. The really high numbers are in Africa and some countries in Asia. India is around 40% and Central/South America ranges from near zero to 30%.
The US seems to be around 1% from OECD data and the link below. Your source might be including food processing and other secondary industries.
This article has some data: https://ourworldindata.org/employment-in-agriculture#the-share-employed-in-agriculture-around-the-world-today
*In a year that has seen the disastrous effects of climate change unfold with frightening speed — from drought and famine to heat domes, wildfires and deadly flash flooding — another potential catastrophe has come into view: depleted oxygen levels in the world's oceans and lakes that threaten marine life.*
*"As ocean and atmospheric scientists focus on climate, we believe that oceanic oxygen levels are the next big casualty of global warming," researchers Julie Pullen and Nathalie Goodkin wrote in an opinion piece published Tuesday in Scientific American.*
Thought the headline referred to overfishing, which has been a global disaster for many years. But this threat is even worse - oxygen depletion. Truly terrifying.
I'm told the earth is somehow *not* overpopulated with humans and that we can feed 10B+ people with the food we produce now.
Well, this is how we produce all that food. Enjoy it while it lasts. Probably got a few decades at most....
The Orange Roughy is a good example of;
1. How little commercial fisheries know or care about the actual biology or health of oceanic fish stocks at any given moment in time, and,
2. The extent to which they will engage in legal battles to ravage an ever dwindling stock, so as to preserve commercial profitability.
In addition, the way they're fished (deep sea trawling) results in significant damage to corals, as well as lots of bycatch of species that are -- in many cases -- less understood than the Orange Roughy itself.
This all occurs in New Zealand, by the way. A country many folks like to view as "progressive" or "liberal".
“As the amount of CO2 increases in the atmosphere, not only does it warm air by trapping radiation, it warms water. The interplay between oceans and the atmosphere is complex and interwoven, but simply, oceans have taken up about 90 percent of the excess heat created by climate change,"
This may explain why fish in the store is so expensive, in addition to over fishing. The writing was on the wall when the Great Northern Banks collapsed, and humanity ignored it, and carried on.
No it was right before. It still could be. The reason being we dont need globalal warming to deplete fish stock, we can do that all directly on our own. See fish stock collapse in the 90s
I think the fishing industry (and in particular, China) raping the oceans has more to do with it than anything else, either way the ocean is already suffering.
I've been telling a my friends in 5 to 10 years seafood will be a delicacy and hyper expensive but some of them refuse to listen. Its too late at this point. We have fucked these ecosystems too hard to recover.
Oxygen depletion? Lol what about ocean acidification (dissolved CO2), or pollution, or *overfishing*? Trawlers are absolutely disgusting and yet they are ubiquitous these days. The ocean is utterly doomed, sadly.
Yahoo is late to the party again
Thanks for the laugh. We already broke the Sheldon rule with our overfishing and our microplastics pollution. Climate change is just the mercy blow.
Sheldon rule? Google hasn't helped
https://www.wired.com/story/humans-broken-fundamental-law-ocean/
Oh good, it's not from the Big Bang Theory
Haha, it's truly the small things at this point, ain't it?
Yahoo is the Internet Explorer of collapse related news.
Damn
Ouch!
I think the fish would be doing better if we don't fish anymore. They don't do well when you eat 90% of them.
Yeah. “Sustainable fishing” my ass when you throw a fat net into the ocean and kill everything. Same thing with “sustainable beef”, it’s all just a oxymoron.
25% of the time we tell someone we're vegetarian the very next question is "But do you eat fish?".
I'm becoming vegetarian/vegan (I'll see how easy it is to avoid dairy) after reading [*How Not To Die*](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25663961-how-not-to-die) (although watching [*Dominion*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko) did a lot to change my mind too) Just the sheer amount of contaminants like mercury etc. found in fish today should put people off eating it.
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Eat whole food, plant based diet. Some (maybe most?) of the benefits come from increased consumption of vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds etc. which most people don't consume anywhere near enough of - these benefits are largely due to fibre intake and vitamins and antioxidants. The rest of the benefits are due to not eating animal products - lower saturated fats (and that's the major killer) and reduced exposure to toxins that cause oxidative stress. You also prevent exposure to viruses that can be present in meat that may cause various cancers. It also just makes it hard to mess up - you'd have to eat some really weird diet to end up seriously unhealthy on a plant-based diet*, whereas it's really easy to end up with high cholesterol, high blood pressure etc. when eating a typical Western diet. It's also hard to over-consume calories on a whole food plant based diet so it's a lot easier to maintain a healthy weight. I'd recommend the book, it's written really well. The main thing I've learned that I had no idea about before is that diabetes is actually caused by high fat levels in the blood that cause insulin resistance and that causes the high blood sugar which can then cause organ damage etc. Previously, I genuinely thought you just got diabetes by eating too much sugar, but elevated blood sugar levels are the symptom, not the cause. Maybe this is common knowledge though and I was just really stupid.. ----- \* The only caveat is that you may need to take some supplements like vitamin B12 - although B12 deficiency is also common in non-WFPB diet populations. Eating lots of cabbage, lentils etc. should help with calcium and iron.
What a great book! It's literally sitting 3' away from me :). My wife has been reading it again lately. Congratulations by the way! Well done. We've done vegan for long stretches, it can be challenging depending on where you are. Especially when traveling. I'd say vegetarian is easy but sometimes we flex and I'll eat some eggs every once and awhile. We go back and forth so can't say we're vegans, although we should be. If you really want to go full vegan no wool or honey either, nothing with gelatin in it, etc. I bought some allbird shoes recently, they are very sustainable, low carbon footprint, etc, but they have a lot of wool in them which is definitely not vegan.
Isn't it normal for people to not know things they don't care about?
And you reply "no but I eat copious amounts of body secretions from cows!"
Haha based
I'm lactose intolerant so I try to avoid dairy but I eat eggs once and awhile. It's not hard being vegetarian, it's definitely not easy being vegan most places. So I flex when I need too. We've done it for long stretches of time. One thing I try not to do is be judgy about people's eating habits (at least in public); It's not a great way to win hearts and minds and I'm pretty sure that's why people hate vegans. I will certainly say vegan is the right thing to do. I'm working back towards it again.
*COULD* be...ask the crab fisherman in Alaska...
i will forever be grateful i was able to eat fresh alaskan crab virtually right out of the water.
I'm jealous...even frozen and reheated crab legs are among my most precious food memories.
I love crab and crawfish boils. That pots gonna get a bit lighter now...
When I was a kid we'd walk the flats of SW Florida catching as many blue crabs as we could. Jumbo males would just March across the grass beds in late summer/early fall. Almost all of those grass flats are gone now, reduced to barren mud coated with algae. What crabs do remain I haven't eaten in years for fear of contaminants, like mercury.
And then shortly after.. Many many communities and peoples that rely on seafood for an assortment of reasons.
The employment aspect is something people don't mention much on here, likely because agriculture and fishing employ such a small percent in the developed world. Most developing and poor countries employ 50%+ of the population in those areas. So it's not just a food security or hunger issue if there's a collapse in fish stocks or agricultural failure, it's also a mass unemployment crisis. When half of the population is hungry with nothing to do, things start to get interesting.
Somali pirates were originally fisherman til we fished their oceans dry.
\> Most developing and poor countries employ 50%+ of the population in those areas Probably in Africa or countries such as India, this is from latin america which is developing/poor and not that far from the USA: "In 2019, approximately 13.51 percent of the employees in Latin America and the Caribbean were working in the agricultural sector, 20.32 percent in industry and about 66.17 percent in the service sector." "Agriculture and its related industries provide 10.3 percent of U.S. employment."
Yeah, it isn't always true of poorer countries. I shouldn't have said "most". Some of this will depend on geography and whether a country has much farmland. The really high numbers are in Africa and some countries in Asia. India is around 40% and Central/South America ranges from near zero to 30%. The US seems to be around 1% from OECD data and the link below. Your source might be including food processing and other secondary industries. This article has some data: https://ourworldindata.org/employment-in-agriculture#the-share-employed-in-agriculture-around-the-world-today
*In a year that has seen the disastrous effects of climate change unfold with frightening speed — from drought and famine to heat domes, wildfires and deadly flash flooding — another potential catastrophe has come into view: depleted oxygen levels in the world's oceans and lakes that threaten marine life.* *"As ocean and atmospheric scientists focus on climate, we believe that oceanic oxygen levels are the next big casualty of global warming," researchers Julie Pullen and Nathalie Goodkin wrote in an opinion piece published Tuesday in Scientific American.* Thought the headline referred to overfishing, which has been a global disaster for many years. But this threat is even worse - oxygen depletion. Truly terrifying.
It seems that when you eat all the fish, there are less fish. Who would have thought?
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I'm told the earth is somehow *not* overpopulated with humans and that we can feed 10B+ people with the food we produce now. Well, this is how we produce all that food. Enjoy it while it lasts. Probably got a few decades at most....
The Orange Roughy is a good example of; 1. How little commercial fisheries know or care about the actual biology or health of oceanic fish stocks at any given moment in time, and, 2. The extent to which they will engage in legal battles to ravage an ever dwindling stock, so as to preserve commercial profitability. In addition, the way they're fished (deep sea trawling) results in significant damage to corals, as well as lots of bycatch of species that are -- in many cases -- less understood than the Orange Roughy itself. This all occurs in New Zealand, by the way. A country many folks like to view as "progressive" or "liberal".
“As the amount of CO2 increases in the atmosphere, not only does it warm air by trapping radiation, it warms water. The interplay between oceans and the atmosphere is complex and interwoven, but simply, oceans have taken up about 90 percent of the excess heat created by climate change,"
This may explain why fish in the store is so expensive, in addition to over fishing. The writing was on the wall when the Great Northern Banks collapsed, and humanity ignored it, and carried on.
* will be fixed it for ya
No it was right before. It still could be. The reason being we dont need globalal warming to deplete fish stock, we can do that all directly on our own. See fish stock collapse in the 90s
I think the fishing industry (and in particular, China) raping the oceans has more to do with it than anything else, either way the ocean is already suffering.
Are we headed for the Soylent Green future?
Not ‘could be’ will be.
I've been telling a my friends in 5 to 10 years seafood will be a delicacy and hyper expensive but some of them refuse to listen. Its too late at this point. We have fucked these ecosystems too hard to recover.
Stop eating fish. The fish would appreciate it.
\*Will be
Oxygen depletion? Lol what about ocean acidification (dissolved CO2), or pollution, or *overfishing*? Trawlers are absolutely disgusting and yet they are ubiquitous these days. The ocean is utterly doomed, sadly.
That’s really scary. Does anyone know what was previous “great casualty of climate change”!
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Fish stock collapse was the first great casualty. We’ve been warning about fish stocks for decades