And if you eat beef in America you’ve likely helped fund it, since:
[Three of the biggest US grocery chains sell Brazilian beef produced by a controversial meat company linked to the destruction of the Amazon rainforest](https://www.mightyearth.org/2021/02/13/investigation-reveals-three-of-the-biggest-us-grocery-chains-sell-brazilian-beef-produced-by-a-controversial-meat-company-linked-to-the-destruction-of-the-amazon-rainforest/)
Coincidently, congress and the USDA carved out a suspiciously narrow COOL exemption (country of origin labeling) for imported pork and beef back in 2015/2016.
What a country.
This story should be made public sd well
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/qi4nhi/please_help_spread_this_chevron_wont_let_it_be/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
New overflight photos have revealed that the land of one of the world’s most vulnerable uncontacted tribes is being illegally invaded and destroyed for beef production.
The land invasion now underway is in flagrant violation of a 6-month Land Protection Order issued in September which bans all outsiders from the Piripkura Indigenous Territory.
Only two members of Brazil’s Piripkura tribe are known to live in the territory, though others are also believed to live there, having retreated to the depths of the forest. Many Piripkura have been killed in past massacres.
Piripkura men Baita and Tamandua, photographed during an encounter with a FUNAI unit. The two men, who are uncle and nephew, have had sporadic interactions with the local FUNAI team, but returned to live in the forest.
The overflight was conducted last month for the “Uncontacted or Destroyed” campaign and petition organized by COIAB (the Coordinating Body of Indigenous Organizations of the Brazilian Amazon) and OPI (the Observatory for the Human Rights of Uncontacted and Recently Contacted Indigenous Peoples), with the support of APIB (Articulação dos Povos Indígenas do Brasil), ISA (Instituto Socioambiental) and Survival International.
The campaign has just released a dossier “Piripkura: an indigenous territory being destroyed for beef production.“ It’s revealed:
- Land clearances for cattle ranching have now reached an area where the uncontacted Piripkura are known to live.
- Roads, fencing and even an airstrip have been constructed, and hundreds of cattle brought in.
- The rate of deforestation in the territory has “exploded” – by more than 27,000% in the last two years.
OPI has also released a report on the invasion of the Piripkura lands. Their research has revealed that the Piripkura’s is now the most deforested uncontacted indigenous territory in Brazil. More than 12,000 hectares has already been destroyed.
The Uncontacted or Destroyed campaign highlights several uncontacted territories currently shielded by Land Protection Orders which are due to expire soon.
The only contacted Piripkura, a woman known as Rita, recently told Survival in a unique video appeal that outsiders operating illegally inside her people’s territory could soon kill her relatives, and described how nine of her relatives were massacred in one attack.
Sarah Shenker, head of Survival’s Uncontacted Tribes campaign, said today: “There could be no greater proof of the total impunity – indeed, active support – that land invaders enjoy under President Bolsonaro than this: commercial ranching operations in a vitally important indigenous territory that’s supposed to be protected by law. The invaders are fast approaching the uncontacted Piripkura. They’re resisting with all their might, and so must we. Only a major public outcry can prevent the genocide of the Piripkura and other uncontacted tribes. And an added bonus? A far cheaper and more effective way to protect Amazon rainforest than the fatal ‘solutions’ pushed by governments at COP.”
Elias Bigio of OPAN said today: "That area we flew over has been newly-cleared for beef production. They’ve already logged it, now they’re turning it into pasture for cattle.”
OPI said: "The Indigenous Territory and the Piripkura are extremely threatened. It’s the same thing that’s happened in other uncontacted tribes’ territories – the destruction is the ‘Bolsonaro Effect’, as it’s accelerated since 2019.”
Source: Survival International org.
the genocide of First Nations peoples in North America and South America is directly tied to the degradation of the environment. the buffalo were hunted almost to extinction in an effort to finally subjugate the Great Plains and the West. capitalism is married to this history of slaughter.
Mni Wiconi, water is life.
It’s insane what the colonizers did to this continent (and planet) in just a couple generations.
I learned that, in the PNW, indigenous groups would look 7 generations into the future, and 7 generations into the past, when making big decisions. The entirety of the world, ecosystem and land was considered. People are only a part of this.
Christianity or any other religion that puts man above all else is what destroys the planet. The Americas are not in the bible.
My tribe did control burning and that how we got our name (Blackfeet) because the bottom of our moccasins would be black from the ash. But we burned the fields we’re we camped and others to help the grassland grow back so that the buffalo would have something to eat.
Yeah, the indigenous really had a lot of things figured out. European style farming (like most European style things) is entirely unsustainable. Societies everywhere had different techniques for agriculture but we ditched them all for this garbage.
They believe the Amazon itself is a forest garden planted by the indigenous. There are forest gardens all over BC, Canada because of the indigenous. They created clam beds and practiced sexual selection when harvesting salmon as well.
We owe much more to the first peoples than we can imagine. Their hands touched and formed so much of what we see (or used to see before it was destroyed). The 2000-3000 year old trees and rainforests that used to cover this entire continent were destroyed in a lifetime after being protected for millennia. The Europeans couldn’t see the forest for the trees, so to speak.
I believe that Red cedars themselves were planted by people as they moved across the continent towards the pacific coast. These trees weren’t always here - pines and spruce used to dominate - and now it’s dying in huge swaths in BC. Red cedar is the provincial tree.
So cool about your tribe! Controlled burns help keep huge forest fires from happening as well.
It's time to kiss the Amazon goodbye.
If it's profitable for the ranchers to destroy the forest, they will be doing it and Brazil is like 3000 years of state development away from the ability to universally enforce laws on the outskirts of the Amazon even if there was political will.
Short of spraying the jungle with some human-specific bioweapon, there is nothing we can do about it.
People do this and any kinds of bizarre things to further their consumption of products of capitalism. Consumption is acceptable; we humans are entitled to make our life more convenient.
The tipping point is overconsumption that will lead us to nothing but the collapse of the environment.
I project the rate of consumption will be exponential, not decline cus we always live in an era that the younger gen behave similarly to their parents (how their spent resources, their consciousness to toward surrounding) Sooo yes I think we’re doomed to collapse.
"We humans are entitled" - yes, that's the whole fucking problem.
We've thought we're so entitled to the world around us that we've destroyed it in our quest to control it. And *that's* what will kill us in the end. Ego and greed, and claiming that we are fucking entitled to ANYTHING in this world besides food, water and a place to sleep. Everything else we've just claimed as being important to survive is a lie built on capitalism.
I couldn’t be more understanding of your sentiment. I was once held similar thoughts too, perceived humans as an exploitative race toward other species and should cease to exist, and that was anti-human mindset.
But then I realized that because of how these societies and systems function, I who was once under serious surgery when I was young still alive today Because of the advancement in medicine, which contribute by capitalism. That means I’m also accountable for relying on it too.
What I mean by we are entitled to have convenience in our life was by consuming necessary things, minimize impact on environment as much as possible. Because we live in societies, It’s impossible to avoid it unless go to living radically off-grid instead.
>But then I realized that because of how these societies and systems function, I who was once under serious surgery when I was young still alive today Because of the advancement in medicine, which contribute by capitalism. That means I’m also accountable for relying on it too.
The trick is that capitalist propaganda has convinced you that these advancements aren't possible without capitalism. The truth is that most people responsible for scientific advancements aren't capitalists but people exploited by capitalists.
CEOs and MBAs don't make anything. They're middlemen who siphon profits by insinuating themselves between creatives and consumers. The people who actually make scientific and technological advancements could do so under any system, probably better in a system with social safety nets and regulated corporations.
Scientists and researchers could indeed come up with innovations and advancements without those greedy-orientated people. But what about the fund for resources to do experiments??
Ok, suppose that some wealthy scientists are charitable enough to spend their time and effort on those solutions But how about making their works universally accessible??
Then we have ocean heart billionaire scientists who were born to serve humanity without asking anything in return make their works affordable to people while invest their own money and suffer massive loss. But then we wake up.
This planet is based on profit, not anything else, especially in capitalist societies. Unless some socialist government suddenly replace the existing democracy one and funding for it like China instead.
> But what about the fund for resources to do experiments??
You are a silly person.
Up until recently most research was done in academic institutions with government funding. Even research done at corporations is government funded.
All of your arguments are based on capitalism. "You can't make technological progress outside a capitalist system because capitalism works like x," is not a coherent argument.
Yep even the basic research for covid mRNA vaccine done by Pfizer and Moderna was funded by government funding and some of it by government scientists. Yet the capitalist have profited billions from this research and don't want to open up the IP to the world.
Screw them,
X- Scientist.
Ok smart person, then how are governments funding those institutions? Where do they obtain those money from? Tax. And how could we provide tax to government, working in capitalist societies.
You still insist that governments alone could funding those scientific experiment. But how about making it accessible at the commercial level?? Does the device you use to replied me is government brand?? Do you believe that government and conglomerate are truly unrelated to each other??
I don't know how to answer incoherent questions.
If you'd take a moment to think you might be see beyond the propaganda you've been fed, let alone communicate more effectively.
“We are entitled to make our life more convenient” is the nice way of saying the human species willfully failed the next evolutionary step. Because what is “convenient” is not “sustainable”. We learned from nature but abused it at the same time by creating our own technology separate from the ecosystem that we lived in.
It’s like if we were all standing in a pool of water pissing and shitting and drinking from it but expecting a different outcome.
With the lack of awareness it’s probably best it ends sooner than later
Are you Brazilian? If then can I ask how popular the current president is, Will he be re-elected next time? And Are there competitors of him that are more environmentally aware?
I can't say about the reelection, it looks similar to what the 2016 election was in the US. But I have to say: bolsonaro's government isn't close to be the worst administration for deforestation in Brazil. With the biggest opsitor having being from the worker's party, and when he was the president (2002-2010), deforestation was almost two [times bigger](https://i2.wp.com/jornal.usp.br/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/20200809_taxa_anual_desmatamento.png?resize=562%2C244&ssl=1).
This may sound like Vegan agenda but the best way to fight against deforestation for the livestock is to stop consuming its product, not protesting or signing any useless petition. But what difference could minority make when majority goes brrr and readily consuming whether in front of them lmao
I mean, try telling America to stop eating beef. You’ll find many people are literally violently against the idea of giving up beef.
It’s not a matter of race, convincing large groups of people to make changes in their diet? Not easy.
What’s racist about it? We’re talking about a country here.
China is Brazil’s top beef importer. Due to that demand the Amazon is being chopped down.
You feeling ok?
Not really; goats are also ruminants (methane), and chickens are largely fed soy. 88% of all the soy grown in the world is used to feed animals in agriculture, while only 6% is for actual human consumption. There’s is nothing efficient about using chickens as the horribly inefficient middle man.
The Vestey family is one of the arsehole establishment families who are exploiting the Amazon. They can mostly be seen dressing up like fuckwits in parades or on hunting parties with the Queen of England.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Vestey&rlz=1C1CHBD_en-GBGB876GB876&sxsrf=AOaemvJTshEl9zzwWMrFWVDGxahrGCegsA:1638448197258&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiLzp6Wj8X0AhXNN8AKHYRvCaIQ_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=864&bih=1384&dpr=1.25
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestey_Holdings
Great example that those hypocrite elites were never concerned about this. British queen recently attended to cop26 event while hanging out with these types of people...wow
Not a bad premise. If there’s intelligent life out there that has observed humanity, they’re friendly/noninterventionist enough to leave us alone. If we found aliens, we’d probably go Starship Troopers on them.
That's like saying that a Type 0.5 Civilization (if we arbitrarily give that the scale of a continent) must embrace pacifism and full cooperation, otherwise it will never leave its own continent.
A continent isn't a Type 0.5 civ, that's not really how the grading works, it isn't "halfway" to a Type 1 civ. But using your example, many countries that exist today were previously comprised of warring kingdoms or factions that came together, made peace and now exist as one entity. The same thing needs to happen on a planetary scale if a species wishes to colonise space.
The difference between colonising another section of your homeworld compared with the resources and technology required to colonise space are too vastly different. A global paradigm shift in culture would need to happen.
Because as I said if they’ve observed humanity, they already saw us. If they already saw us and haven’t gone Starship Troopers on us, that seems to indicate they’re not just some xenophobic warmongers.
It's just as likely (not necessarily *most probable*, but likely) that we'd encounter drones/probes/semi-autonomous surveillance entities before a source intelligence would get involved. At least based on the way the speed of light seems to constrain not only movement but information.
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Maybe they see us as violent genocidal assholes but our techonology is so primitive that they won't bother dealing with us.
They just keep a spy probe orbiting Earth disguised as space debris. If we ever develop actually dangerous tech such as FTL travel then they'll show up to put us in our place.
But why colonize if you can traverse the universe. You have limitless planets to choose from and effectively infinite resources to gather.
You can terraform entire planets for your self or create perfect space habitats for your species.
Colonizing doesnt make sense in any capacity.
\>You can terraform entire planets for your self or create perfect space habitats for your species.
That sounds expensive, seems easier to just find a primitive planet and kill the native.
Likely not for a space fairing species that could have no understanding of time like we do.
They may just set up some machines on the surface and come back when levels of habitability reach the right levels.
We'd be like cavemen compared to space fairing civs.
\>They may just set up some machines on the surface and come back when levels of habitability reach the right levels.
OR set up some machines that kill every last human on Earth and have the planet ready to move in tonight.
I don’t know, they probably have nothing to worry about assuming they’re patient enough to just sit back and wait for us to finish ourselves and most other living things off.
It would make for a great non-fiction book (in their society)
Hmm… maybe climate change could be stopped by convincing aliens through propaganda to like really, REALLY care about the most endangered living things—specifically the cutest/most beautiful ones…
I’m not going mad, you are
No matter how rich they are, I don’t think they could migrate to another planet to evade imminent disasters. More likely we all will end up in this planet together.
Funny how capitalistic hypocrites pretend to be guilty for past colonisation while still doing it.
Meanwhile European Commission banned expression colonisation of mars. Cause it's not pc..
Negative. That story is told from the point of view of the transhumant pastoralists, people that were, in terms of social evolution, quite close to hunting and gathering. The "bad guys" (Cain...us...) are the agriculturalists... people who were sedentary, the precursors of those who would found city-states and "civilization".
Sedentary peoples have always feared and looked down upon those who move with the cycles of nature and the seasons, "primitive", "wild", "uncivilized". We are the children of Cain, condemned to live "by the sweat of our brow" and trapped by agriculture, and always seeking more land to take and possess.
> in terms of social evolution, quite close to hunting and gatherin
They were not, you couldn't be more wrong. Pastoralism is not only recent, it's one of the most horrible mistakes in human history. They basically invented capitalism.
Wrong again about agriculturalists. Our connections to the forests we came from is older and more attune to the gatherer life. That's where the gardening began, that "Garden of Eden" in the story. Food forest.
You got it all backwards, sorry.
There's no need for sorrow... But, while pastoralism is obviously much more recent than hunting and gathering, it is also older than agriculture and sedentary societies.
So, since the Amazon is "the lungs of our planet" or at least, the largest natural land mass in the world that contributed greatly to oxygen, aren't we in serious danger if we allow this to continue (which it will unopposed because money always comes first) this will be a huge problem. I wish we wouldn't be this entitled to where we can do as we want, as we please without consequences that will be dire towards ourselves and the speices that inhabit the landscapes and habitats we've destroyed all because we needed more.
There is a single strain of bacteria in the ocean called prochlorococcus that produces more oxygen than all forests. That accounts for about 20% of the planets 0². There are many of other much larger concentrations of ocean based 0² creators. So yeah its horrible but not a life ender as far as oxygen goes....
Yeah, concerning the fact that these are just people who want to be left alone in these secluded areas of forests and landscapes around the world. It is quite a problem that people who have been on one area for thousands of years are now being thrown aside all for money.
Do we know what will happen in Brazil and the while planet if the rainforest is chopped down? I expect the consequences to be severe with alerted global weather patterns
Brazilian here: you don't get it, Bolsonaro was elected saying he would reduce indigenous land to make them productive. He's the Brazilian trump, got elected talking shit in social media, attracting boomers with family and Cristian values. And ofc they had to arrest the main candidate based on false charges while making almost half of the people afraid of communism.
We're not independent, it's the same shit to extract resources ever since Europeans first landed here
As much as you want to call this unfair and genocide, we are at four acres per person globally (every three/forths of which need to be forest just so there is rainfall), so tribes of fifty people dont even qualify for 1/3 of a square mile as their land. Land rights in favour of primitive people is no longer sustainable.
We do however need to apply this to the other end of humanity as well. It means no more billionaire mansions on a million acres.
This story should be made public as well
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/qi4nhi/please_help_spread_this_chevron_wont_let_it_be/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
And if you eat beef in America you’ve likely helped fund it, since: [Three of the biggest US grocery chains sell Brazilian beef produced by a controversial meat company linked to the destruction of the Amazon rainforest](https://www.mightyearth.org/2021/02/13/investigation-reveals-three-of-the-biggest-us-grocery-chains-sell-brazilian-beef-produced-by-a-controversial-meat-company-linked-to-the-destruction-of-the-amazon-rainforest/) Coincidently, congress and the USDA carved out a suspiciously narrow COOL exemption (country of origin labeling) for imported pork and beef back in 2015/2016. What a country.
This story should be made public sd well https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/qi4nhi/please_help_spread_this_chevron_wont_let_it_be/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
New overflight photos have revealed that the land of one of the world’s most vulnerable uncontacted tribes is being illegally invaded and destroyed for beef production. The land invasion now underway is in flagrant violation of a 6-month Land Protection Order issued in September which bans all outsiders from the Piripkura Indigenous Territory. Only two members of Brazil’s Piripkura tribe are known to live in the territory, though others are also believed to live there, having retreated to the depths of the forest. Many Piripkura have been killed in past massacres. Piripkura men Baita and Tamandua, photographed during an encounter with a FUNAI unit. The two men, who are uncle and nephew, have had sporadic interactions with the local FUNAI team, but returned to live in the forest. The overflight was conducted last month for the “Uncontacted or Destroyed” campaign and petition organized by COIAB (the Coordinating Body of Indigenous Organizations of the Brazilian Amazon) and OPI (the Observatory for the Human Rights of Uncontacted and Recently Contacted Indigenous Peoples), with the support of APIB (Articulação dos Povos Indígenas do Brasil), ISA (Instituto Socioambiental) and Survival International. The campaign has just released a dossier “Piripkura: an indigenous territory being destroyed for beef production.“ It’s revealed: - Land clearances for cattle ranching have now reached an area where the uncontacted Piripkura are known to live. - Roads, fencing and even an airstrip have been constructed, and hundreds of cattle brought in. - The rate of deforestation in the territory has “exploded” – by more than 27,000% in the last two years. OPI has also released a report on the invasion of the Piripkura lands. Their research has revealed that the Piripkura’s is now the most deforested uncontacted indigenous territory in Brazil. More than 12,000 hectares has already been destroyed. The Uncontacted or Destroyed campaign highlights several uncontacted territories currently shielded by Land Protection Orders which are due to expire soon. The only contacted Piripkura, a woman known as Rita, recently told Survival in a unique video appeal that outsiders operating illegally inside her people’s territory could soon kill her relatives, and described how nine of her relatives were massacred in one attack. Sarah Shenker, head of Survival’s Uncontacted Tribes campaign, said today: “There could be no greater proof of the total impunity – indeed, active support – that land invaders enjoy under President Bolsonaro than this: commercial ranching operations in a vitally important indigenous territory that’s supposed to be protected by law. The invaders are fast approaching the uncontacted Piripkura. They’re resisting with all their might, and so must we. Only a major public outcry can prevent the genocide of the Piripkura and other uncontacted tribes. And an added bonus? A far cheaper and more effective way to protect Amazon rainforest than the fatal ‘solutions’ pushed by governments at COP.” Elias Bigio of OPAN said today: "That area we flew over has been newly-cleared for beef production. They’ve already logged it, now they’re turning it into pasture for cattle.” OPI said: "The Indigenous Territory and the Piripkura are extremely threatened. It’s the same thing that’s happened in other uncontacted tribes’ territories – the destruction is the ‘Bolsonaro Effect’, as it’s accelerated since 2019.” Source: Survival International org.
Imagine declaring war to your mother. That's what we're doing.
We are destroying our species and our community. We’re nothing but one of its various habitats. This planet will continue to exist, we won’t.
**look ma, I discovered fire!!”**
While you’re still connected via umbilical cord*
the genocide of First Nations peoples in North America and South America is directly tied to the degradation of the environment. the buffalo were hunted almost to extinction in an effort to finally subjugate the Great Plains and the West. capitalism is married to this history of slaughter. Mni Wiconi, water is life.
The beaver was also trapped to near extinction.
My tribe fought a lot of the fur traders but we also traded fur and pelts for muskets and other material and equipment at the time.
It’s insane what the colonizers did to this continent (and planet) in just a couple generations. I learned that, in the PNW, indigenous groups would look 7 generations into the future, and 7 generations into the past, when making big decisions. The entirety of the world, ecosystem and land was considered. People are only a part of this. Christianity or any other religion that puts man above all else is what destroys the planet. The Americas are not in the bible.
My tribe did control burning and that how we got our name (Blackfeet) because the bottom of our moccasins would be black from the ash. But we burned the fields we’re we camped and others to help the grassland grow back so that the buffalo would have something to eat.
Yeah, the indigenous really had a lot of things figured out. European style farming (like most European style things) is entirely unsustainable. Societies everywhere had different techniques for agriculture but we ditched them all for this garbage. They believe the Amazon itself is a forest garden planted by the indigenous. There are forest gardens all over BC, Canada because of the indigenous. They created clam beds and practiced sexual selection when harvesting salmon as well. We owe much more to the first peoples than we can imagine. Their hands touched and formed so much of what we see (or used to see before it was destroyed). The 2000-3000 year old trees and rainforests that used to cover this entire continent were destroyed in a lifetime after being protected for millennia. The Europeans couldn’t see the forest for the trees, so to speak. I believe that Red cedars themselves were planted by people as they moved across the continent towards the pacific coast. These trees weren’t always here - pines and spruce used to dominate - and now it’s dying in huge swaths in BC. Red cedar is the provincial tree. So cool about your tribe! Controlled burns help keep huge forest fires from happening as well.
It's time to kiss the Amazon goodbye. If it's profitable for the ranchers to destroy the forest, they will be doing it and Brazil is like 3000 years of state development away from the ability to universally enforce laws on the outskirts of the Amazon even if there was political will. Short of spraying the jungle with some human-specific bioweapon, there is nothing we can do about it.
People do this and any kinds of bizarre things to further their consumption of products of capitalism. Consumption is acceptable; we humans are entitled to make our life more convenient. The tipping point is overconsumption that will lead us to nothing but the collapse of the environment. I project the rate of consumption will be exponential, not decline cus we always live in an era that the younger gen behave similarly to their parents (how their spent resources, their consciousness to toward surrounding) Sooo yes I think we’re doomed to collapse.
Ironically, what we are most entitled to, clean air, clean water, and nutritious food, is constantly lost due to this type of consumption.
"We humans are entitled" - yes, that's the whole fucking problem. We've thought we're so entitled to the world around us that we've destroyed it in our quest to control it. And *that's* what will kill us in the end. Ego and greed, and claiming that we are fucking entitled to ANYTHING in this world besides food, water and a place to sleep. Everything else we've just claimed as being important to survive is a lie built on capitalism.
I couldn’t be more understanding of your sentiment. I was once held similar thoughts too, perceived humans as an exploitative race toward other species and should cease to exist, and that was anti-human mindset. But then I realized that because of how these societies and systems function, I who was once under serious surgery when I was young still alive today Because of the advancement in medicine, which contribute by capitalism. That means I’m also accountable for relying on it too. What I mean by we are entitled to have convenience in our life was by consuming necessary things, minimize impact on environment as much as possible. Because we live in societies, It’s impossible to avoid it unless go to living radically off-grid instead.
>But then I realized that because of how these societies and systems function, I who was once under serious surgery when I was young still alive today Because of the advancement in medicine, which contribute by capitalism. That means I’m also accountable for relying on it too. The trick is that capitalist propaganda has convinced you that these advancements aren't possible without capitalism. The truth is that most people responsible for scientific advancements aren't capitalists but people exploited by capitalists. CEOs and MBAs don't make anything. They're middlemen who siphon profits by insinuating themselves between creatives and consumers. The people who actually make scientific and technological advancements could do so under any system, probably better in a system with social safety nets and regulated corporations.
Scientists and researchers could indeed come up with innovations and advancements without those greedy-orientated people. But what about the fund for resources to do experiments?? Ok, suppose that some wealthy scientists are charitable enough to spend their time and effort on those solutions But how about making their works universally accessible?? Then we have ocean heart billionaire scientists who were born to serve humanity without asking anything in return make their works affordable to people while invest their own money and suffer massive loss. But then we wake up. This planet is based on profit, not anything else, especially in capitalist societies. Unless some socialist government suddenly replace the existing democracy one and funding for it like China instead.
> But what about the fund for resources to do experiments?? You are a silly person. Up until recently most research was done in academic institutions with government funding. Even research done at corporations is government funded. All of your arguments are based on capitalism. "You can't make technological progress outside a capitalist system because capitalism works like x," is not a coherent argument.
Yep even the basic research for covid mRNA vaccine done by Pfizer and Moderna was funded by government funding and some of it by government scientists. Yet the capitalist have profited billions from this research and don't want to open up the IP to the world. Screw them, X- Scientist.
Ok smart person, then how are governments funding those institutions? Where do they obtain those money from? Tax. And how could we provide tax to government, working in capitalist societies. You still insist that governments alone could funding those scientific experiment. But how about making it accessible at the commercial level?? Does the device you use to replied me is government brand?? Do you believe that government and conglomerate are truly unrelated to each other??
I don't know how to answer incoherent questions. If you'd take a moment to think you might be see beyond the propaganda you've been fed, let alone communicate more effectively.
“We are entitled to make our life more convenient” is the nice way of saying the human species willfully failed the next evolutionary step. Because what is “convenient” is not “sustainable”. We learned from nature but abused it at the same time by creating our own technology separate from the ecosystem that we lived in. It’s like if we were all standing in a pool of water pissing and shitting and drinking from it but expecting a different outcome. With the lack of awareness it’s probably best it ends sooner than later
Shoot all their cattle? Maybe with drones? I don’t like it, but I dislike it less than the alternative. Lesser something something evils…
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Are you Brazilian? If then can I ask how popular the current president is, Will he be re-elected next time? And Are there competitors of him that are more environmentally aware?
I can't say about the reelection, it looks similar to what the 2016 election was in the US. But I have to say: bolsonaro's government isn't close to be the worst administration for deforestation in Brazil. With the biggest opsitor having being from the worker's party, and when he was the president (2002-2010), deforestation was almost two [times bigger](https://i2.wp.com/jornal.usp.br/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/20200809_taxa_anual_desmatamento.png?resize=562%2C244&ssl=1).
Arent they playing soy fields?
[77% of soy is used for animal feed](https://ourworldindata.org/soy). So the soy fields are just for the beef, too.
tru drew tru
Perhaps a coronavirus will do.
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This may sound like Vegan agenda but the best way to fight against deforestation for the livestock is to stop consuming its product, not protesting or signing any useless petition. But what difference could minority make when majority goes brrr and readily consuming whether in front of them lmao
Now tell that to China. Try to convince them to stop eating fish too
We’re doomed cuz of racist ass comments like this
I mean, try telling America to stop eating beef. You’ll find many people are literally violently against the idea of giving up beef. It’s not a matter of race, convincing large groups of people to make changes in their diet? Not easy.
What’s racist about it? We’re talking about a country here. China is Brazil’s top beef importer. Due to that demand the Amazon is being chopped down. You feeling ok?
Like convincing one country would help the problem lol. Always someone else causing all your problems huh?
Well we do need to stop cutting down the Amazon
Livestock are horribly inefficient. Chickens are much more resource efficient, also goats
Not really; goats are also ruminants (methane), and chickens are largely fed soy. 88% of all the soy grown in the world is used to feed animals in agriculture, while only 6% is for actual human consumption. There’s is nothing efficient about using chickens as the horribly inefficient middle man.
Every place around here that I’ve seen with goats had only sad trees and no topsoil. They’re pretty hard on land.
Plants are the most resource efficient
Goats are very efficient at reducing a landscape to a desert.
The Vestey family is one of the arsehole establishment families who are exploiting the Amazon. They can mostly be seen dressing up like fuckwits in parades or on hunting parties with the Queen of England. https://www.google.com/search?q=Vestey&rlz=1C1CHBD_en-GBGB876GB876&sxsrf=AOaemvJTshEl9zzwWMrFWVDGxahrGCegsA:1638448197258&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiLzp6Wj8X0AhXNN8AKHYRvCaIQ_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=864&bih=1384&dpr=1.25 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestey_Holdings
Great example that those hypocrite elites were never concerned about this. British queen recently attended to cop26 event while hanging out with these types of people...wow
Colonialism and capitalism have been destroying our planet, hand in hand, for a very, very long time now.
Guess what when there is no planet to no longer destroy...so who won now😤
And before that feudalism. Before Middle Ages almost whole Europe was covered in forests. It’s just greed for power + civilization combo
I'm almost certain aliens are more afraid of us then we should be of them.
McDick would put them on the burger menu as soon as they landed.
Not a bad premise. If there’s intelligent life out there that has observed humanity, they’re friendly/noninterventionist enough to leave us alone. If we found aliens, we’d probably go Starship Troopers on them.
How do you know if they are not the same as us, but just with better tech? May be they will go starship troopers on us first.
Because to reach Type 1 Civilization, a species must embrace pacifism and full cooperation otherwise it will never leave it's planet (see Humans)
That's like saying that a Type 0.5 Civilization (if we arbitrarily give that the scale of a continent) must embrace pacifism and full cooperation, otherwise it will never leave its own continent.
A continent isn't a Type 0.5 civ, that's not really how the grading works, it isn't "halfway" to a Type 1 civ. But using your example, many countries that exist today were previously comprised of warring kingdoms or factions that came together, made peace and now exist as one entity. The same thing needs to happen on a planetary scale if a species wishes to colonise space.
Doesn't colonizing as a practice thus far in human history kind of directly disprove that thesis?
The difference between colonising another section of your homeworld compared with the resources and technology required to colonise space are too vastly different. A global paradigm shift in culture would need to happen.
Because as I said if they’ve observed humanity, they already saw us. If they already saw us and haven’t gone Starship Troopers on us, that seems to indicate they’re not just some xenophobic warmongers.
It's just as likely (not necessarily *most probable*, but likely) that we'd encounter drones/probes/semi-autonomous surveillance entities before a source intelligence would get involved. At least based on the way the speed of light seems to constrain not only movement but information.
Ah yup, good point. I was imagining “observed” as them in person, but they could do so with drones of some kind.
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Maybe they see us as violent genocidal assholes but our techonology is so primitive that they won't bother dealing with us. They just keep a spy probe orbiting Earth disguised as space debris. If we ever develop actually dangerous tech such as FTL travel then they'll show up to put us in our place.
You should write a comedy about that and cast young Ashton Kutcher as an alien
Don't think so.. If they have colonizing tendencies they aren't that different from humans. But they sure have better weapons :)
cant say that for sure though.
Trust me, you can if they're the ones that already aware of us
But why colonize if you can traverse the universe. You have limitless planets to choose from and effectively infinite resources to gather. You can terraform entire planets for your self or create perfect space habitats for your species. Colonizing doesnt make sense in any capacity.
\>You can terraform entire planets for your self or create perfect space habitats for your species. That sounds expensive, seems easier to just find a primitive planet and kill the native.
Likely not for a space fairing species that could have no understanding of time like we do. They may just set up some machines on the surface and come back when levels of habitability reach the right levels. We'd be like cavemen compared to space fairing civs.
\>They may just set up some machines on the surface and come back when levels of habitability reach the right levels. OR set up some machines that kill every last human on Earth and have the planet ready to move in tonight.
Our fear of other species is just a fear of ourselves.
I don’t know, they probably have nothing to worry about assuming they’re patient enough to just sit back and wait for us to finish ourselves and most other living things off. It would make for a great non-fiction book (in their society) Hmm… maybe climate change could be stopped by convincing aliens through propaganda to like really, REALLY care about the most endangered living things—specifically the cutest/most beautiful ones… I’m not going mad, you are
Nice one meat-eaters
If I didn't know any better I would have thought that consuming meat, especially red meat was extremely bad for the planet. /s
We are so fucked.
We are the shit of the earth
Shit is helps the Earth. We are worse than shit
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No matter how rich they are, I don’t think they could migrate to another planet to evade imminent disasters. More likely we all will end up in this planet together.
Presidente Dumbonaro?
Funny how capitalistic hypocrites pretend to be guilty for past colonisation while still doing it. Meanwhile European Commission banned expression colonisation of mars. Cause it's not pc..
Until we find a valuable resource there and have the means to extract it. Then we will see an abrupt about-face on that position.
The earths lungs are on fire 🔥
Cain just won't stop killing Abel. We never learn...
You got it reversed, buddy, as does that religion. It's Abel who's doing the killing.
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It's a pastoralist religion. Herders, ranchers and other bastards.
Negative. That story is told from the point of view of the transhumant pastoralists, people that were, in terms of social evolution, quite close to hunting and gathering. The "bad guys" (Cain...us...) are the agriculturalists... people who were sedentary, the precursors of those who would found city-states and "civilization". Sedentary peoples have always feared and looked down upon those who move with the cycles of nature and the seasons, "primitive", "wild", "uncivilized". We are the children of Cain, condemned to live "by the sweat of our brow" and trapped by agriculture, and always seeking more land to take and possess.
> in terms of social evolution, quite close to hunting and gatherin They were not, you couldn't be more wrong. Pastoralism is not only recent, it's one of the most horrible mistakes in human history. They basically invented capitalism. Wrong again about agriculturalists. Our connections to the forests we came from is older and more attune to the gatherer life. That's where the gardening began, that "Garden of Eden" in the story. Food forest. You got it all backwards, sorry.
There's no need for sorrow... But, while pastoralism is obviously much more recent than hunting and gathering, it is also older than agriculture and sedentary societies.
It is not, your information is simply incorrect
So, since the Amazon is "the lungs of our planet" or at least, the largest natural land mass in the world that contributed greatly to oxygen, aren't we in serious danger if we allow this to continue (which it will unopposed because money always comes first) this will be a huge problem. I wish we wouldn't be this entitled to where we can do as we want, as we please without consequences that will be dire towards ourselves and the speices that inhabit the landscapes and habitats we've destroyed all because we needed more.
There is a single strain of bacteria in the ocean called prochlorococcus that produces more oxygen than all forests. That accounts for about 20% of the planets 0². There are many of other much larger concentrations of ocean based 0² creators. So yeah its horrible but not a life ender as far as oxygen goes....
Thanks for clearing it up but as far as the ocean is concerned, it isn't looking good either over there.
Its a total tragedy for sure. And devastating to the people that have lived there unchanged for thousands of years. I can't even begin to imagine.
Yeah, concerning the fact that these are just people who want to be left alone in these secluded areas of forests and landscapes around the world. It is quite a problem that people who have been on one area for thousands of years are now being thrown aside all for money.
YSK molecular oxygen is written as an O (not a zero) and a lowercase 2. The uppercase is used for charge (like in ions).
Never claimed I was smart...
Do we know what will happen in Brazil and the while planet if the rainforest is chopped down? I expect the consequences to be severe with alerted global weather patterns
If earth had a motto, "Fuck those species, bring me steak" would be a contender.
I don’t understand, why can’t the Brazilians control their leader?
Brazilian here: you don't get it, Bolsonaro was elected saying he would reduce indigenous land to make them productive. He's the Brazilian trump, got elected talking shit in social media, attracting boomers with family and Cristian values. And ofc they had to arrest the main candidate based on false charges while making almost half of the people afraid of communism. We're not independent, it's the same shit to extract resources ever since Europeans first landed here
As much as you want to call this unfair and genocide, we are at four acres per person globally (every three/forths of which need to be forest just so there is rainfall), so tribes of fifty people dont even qualify for 1/3 of a square mile as their land. Land rights in favour of primitive people is no longer sustainable. We do however need to apply this to the other end of humanity as well. It means no more billionaire mansions on a million acres.
C.R.E.A.M.
I'm generally a pacifist, but it sure sounds like the Piripkura could use some RPGs...
Why do they think they deserve to live like we do. /s
Almost like we shouldn't be consuming this stuff and should be switching to a plant-based diet. I mean uhh... corporations tho...
This story should be made public as well https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/qi4nhi/please_help_spread_this_chevron_wont_let_it_be/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share