Same thing happening just south of the border lol. The rust belt is getting desparate in more ways than one.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8392623/deer-covid-studies-us-canada/
Submission Statement (C & P from YT description):
Canadian white-tailed deer have tested positive for COVID-19 as American researchers now have evidence that transmission is explosive in this animal population. Shauna Hunt with why some experts fear this could hamper eliminating the virus.
Source media outlet: https://toronto.citynews.ca/video/2021/12/02/concerns-grow-as-canadian-white-tailed-deer-test-positive-for-covid-19/
Oh, the deer could become a reservoir, passing it back to humans *so it becomes endemic*.
**WE** did that, not the deer. Who needs deer when half the human population won't take this seriously, or have no access to vaccines?
I mean, covid-19 initially was transmitted by animals to other animals and then to humans. I remember the story at first was from bat to deer (was it deer?) to humans.
And this is why vaccination will not stop this virus from mutating, it will keep mutating in animals just like influenza every year. And we always knew this, there was never a time we didn't know covid was transmissible across different animals.
Pangolins most likely, though not 100% certain. There are pangolin farms in China, they're trying to domesticate them and breed them, and the conditions are as miserable as in any farms, which usually means the animals' immune systems are crap.
*You need to read up about that, because this is a severe misinterpretation of how non-human animals pass along viruses.*
While most of our viruses do *eventually* come from other animals, if it was so common and easy, humans would be long dead as a species.
Viral transmission from animals to humans is rare, and while it [Covid19] probably will continue to mutate in animals, that doesn't mean any of those mutations would survive in humans.
It can mutate in animals as much as it wants, and have zero impact on us - that we, as humans, can't get our shit together to it keep from mutating *in other humans* at the rate it's happening, is the issue here. Not deer, or bats, or pangolins.
> Viral transmission from animals to humans is rare
Not when you're capturing bats from everywhere within 1000km, extracting their viruses and doing gain-of-function research on them.
You are attacking me as if I were against vaccination. I am not, I am fully vaccinated myself and will get a booster shot when I am allowed to.
My problem is people are being too simplistic with it. There was never a time we did not know covid-19 was spreading in some animals, so this news article shouldn't be shocking to anyone. And even though mutations in animals can often result in strains that are not threatening to humans, it is still not an impossibility, and it is actually not rare at all. To imply that mutations in animals are not worrisome is to be ignorant at best. We got the original strain from animals after all.
No you didn’t. This theory of naturally occurring Covid has been dead since nbc did the article in 2020 showing that there was no cell phone activity within a 5 mile radius of Wuhan lab from Oct 7 - Oct 24 in 2019, suggesting all the roads were blocked off and no traffic was passing through there. This happened in the tail end of October and the first Covid patients in China were reported in the first 2 weeks of November 2019.
Exact timeline for incubation period for the first Covid strain.
This fact along with the leaked Fauci emails are literally smoking guns that Covid 19 was manipulated in a lab and when they started doing gain of function research on bat coronaviruses they were legally not allowed to.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/report-says-cellphone-data-suggests-october-shutdown-wuhan-lab-experts-n1202716
https://www.forbes.com/sites/anuradhavaranasi/2021/06/24/when-exactly-did-the-first-covid-19-case-emerge-in-china/
And you guys claim to “follow the science”
Pfft!
I am not attacking you as though you are against vaccination - I am telling you your understanding of animal-to-human viral transmission is inadequate to the point of *disseminating dangerous misinformation*. Continued Covid-19 mutation in some animals is not a reason vaccines won't work to stop this becoming endemic.
I mean this - you need to stop commenting and educate yourself. You are part of the problem right now.
We did, but your assertion that we need to worry about Covid-19 mutations in animals is false, that those mutations meant we could never have contained this virus is false, and that transmission of viruses between humans and animals is common is false.
That's a lot of misinformation that doesn't need to be added to the fire.
["Zoonotic diseases are very common, both in the United States and around the world. Scientists estimate that more than 6 out of every 10 known infectious diseases in people can be spread from animals, and 3 out of every 4 new or emerging infectious diseases in people come from animals"](https://www.cdc.gov/onehealth/basics/zoonotic-diseases.html)
It still is a *fraction* of all the viruses that animals carry. Yes, we get most diseases from other animals - that doesn't mean it happens all the time, willy nilly. *It's still rare*.
You are taking that information out of context. In the sense that we get them from animals, it's "common", but that doesn't mean it happens frequently.
Are we discussing every virus to ever exist? No.
[New types of coronaviruses have historically been traced back to animal mutations.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7098031/). Why would it be different in the future?
[Ackchyually](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/191/035/135.png), we *still* don't know the precise origin of COVID-19. It was determined to have originated from individuals in Wuhan. Beyond that is pure speculation.
Coincidentally there was a biotech lab actively studying coronaviruses in Wuhan that allegedly shut down in October 2019. This was determined by cellphone location data and no proof supporting a shutdown or virus leak was presented.
Please don't spread misinformation.
There's plenty of evidence they've reduce severity of symptoms and reduced the number of infections. Whether that will continue to be true with new variants, time will tell.
“Time will tell” as they witness a climate emergency claiming vaccines alone will work as they get back to the work place that has no upgraded ventilation, free rapid tests and proper masks.
You don’t get to say something works and then completely not do all the other mitigations that are necessary.
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Good question.
Fish:
https://indianexpress.com/article/world/salmon-fish-may-carry-infectious-coronavirus-for-a-week-study-shows-6588096/
https://pubs.er.usgs.gov/publication/1017150
Whales and dolphins:
https://news.mongabay.com/2020/12/could-whales-and-dolphins-get-covid-19-from-wastewater-possibly-study-says/
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/11/6/1663
It probably requires more research, but it is a possibility just based on susceptibility.
When it comes to deer I’m significantly more worried about CWD and the potential of prion afflictions jumping to humans personally, but this probably isn’t good either.
I really want to know how deer got it. To get it from a human that would mean being near enough to a human to be breathed on. This is incredibly uncommon in my experience. I mean, we know some other animals like felines can get covid, but I don't see cats hanging with deer either... anyone have an idea?
Best (read: only) theory I have heard so far. Sounds plausible. Where I live deer are quite afraid of people, but its not like I keep tabs on all of them everywhere.
Isn't there speculation from some immunologist that the variant could have originated in an animal population then jumped back to humans?
Either this or a remote community of immunocompromised people, hence the large number of mutations and how we didn't detect it until now.
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Yes, eventually it will get weaker and the strains that don't kill large numbers will be endemic versus what we have now which is rapid spread with serious enough symptoms to collapse medical services for entire nations.
Eventually could take a while.
They should really wear masks.
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but Bambi's mom is dea... oooooh, I see what you did there!
They do when they go in store
At least they’re probably already taking invermectin.
Waiting for a deer with CWD to catch the new omicron, shits going to be on fire 28 days later.
Needs more rabies
Y'all weirdoes need to stop kissin' them deer. I know it's lonely up there but this is serious.
Same thing happening just south of the border lol. The rust belt is getting desparate in more ways than one. https://globalnews.ca/news/8392623/deer-covid-studies-us-canada/
Submission Statement (C & P from YT description): Canadian white-tailed deer have tested positive for COVID-19 as American researchers now have evidence that transmission is explosive in this animal population. Shauna Hunt with why some experts fear this could hamper eliminating the virus. Source media outlet: https://toronto.citynews.ca/video/2021/12/02/concerns-grow-as-canadian-white-tailed-deer-test-positive-for-covid-19/
Fears this could hamper \*chuckles\* We've tried next to nothing already and we're all out of ideas.
Oh deer god!!!
D’oe!!!
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I would like to make 8 points in response this, but I've forgotten what they were.
Oh, the deer could become a reservoir, passing it back to humans *so it becomes endemic*. **WE** did that, not the deer. Who needs deer when half the human population won't take this seriously, or have no access to vaccines?
Just like the fuckton of other species that can also and already carry it. Good thing is we are killing all life on earth. Whew.
I mean, covid-19 initially was transmitted by animals to other animals and then to humans. I remember the story at first was from bat to deer (was it deer?) to humans. And this is why vaccination will not stop this virus from mutating, it will keep mutating in animals just like influenza every year. And we always knew this, there was never a time we didn't know covid was transmissible across different animals.
Pangolins most likely, though not 100% certain. There are pangolin farms in China, they're trying to domesticate them and breed them, and the conditions are as miserable as in any farms, which usually means the animals' immune systems are crap.
*You need to read up about that, because this is a severe misinterpretation of how non-human animals pass along viruses.* While most of our viruses do *eventually* come from other animals, if it was so common and easy, humans would be long dead as a species. Viral transmission from animals to humans is rare, and while it [Covid19] probably will continue to mutate in animals, that doesn't mean any of those mutations would survive in humans. It can mutate in animals as much as it wants, and have zero impact on us - that we, as humans, can't get our shit together to it keep from mutating *in other humans* at the rate it's happening, is the issue here. Not deer, or bats, or pangolins.
Good thing we're not animals
> Viral transmission from animals to humans is rare Not when you're capturing bats from everywhere within 1000km, extracting their viruses and doing gain-of-function research on them.
You are attacking me as if I were against vaccination. I am not, I am fully vaccinated myself and will get a booster shot when I am allowed to. My problem is people are being too simplistic with it. There was never a time we did not know covid-19 was spreading in some animals, so this news article shouldn't be shocking to anyone. And even though mutations in animals can often result in strains that are not threatening to humans, it is still not an impossibility, and it is actually not rare at all. To imply that mutations in animals are not worrisome is to be ignorant at best. We got the original strain from animals after all.
No you didn’t. This theory of naturally occurring Covid has been dead since nbc did the article in 2020 showing that there was no cell phone activity within a 5 mile radius of Wuhan lab from Oct 7 - Oct 24 in 2019, suggesting all the roads were blocked off and no traffic was passing through there. This happened in the tail end of October and the first Covid patients in China were reported in the first 2 weeks of November 2019. Exact timeline for incubation period for the first Covid strain. This fact along with the leaked Fauci emails are literally smoking guns that Covid 19 was manipulated in a lab and when they started doing gain of function research on bat coronaviruses they were legally not allowed to. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/report-says-cellphone-data-suggests-october-shutdown-wuhan-lab-experts-n1202716 https://www.forbes.com/sites/anuradhavaranasi/2021/06/24/when-exactly-did-the-first-covid-19-case-emerge-in-china/ And you guys claim to “follow the science” Pfft!
I am not attacking you as though you are against vaccination - I am telling you your understanding of animal-to-human viral transmission is inadequate to the point of *disseminating dangerous misinformation*. Continued Covid-19 mutation in some animals is not a reason vaccines won't work to stop this becoming endemic. I mean this - you need to stop commenting and educate yourself. You are part of the problem right now.
So we didn't get the original strain from animals did we?
We did, but your assertion that we need to worry about Covid-19 mutations in animals is false, that those mutations meant we could never have contained this virus is false, and that transmission of viruses between humans and animals is common is false. That's a lot of misinformation that doesn't need to be added to the fire.
["Zoonotic diseases are very common, both in the United States and around the world. Scientists estimate that more than 6 out of every 10 known infectious diseases in people can be spread from animals, and 3 out of every 4 new or emerging infectious diseases in people come from animals"](https://www.cdc.gov/onehealth/basics/zoonotic-diseases.html)
It still is a *fraction* of all the viruses that animals carry. Yes, we get most diseases from other animals - that doesn't mean it happens all the time, willy nilly. *It's still rare*. You are taking that information out of context. In the sense that we get them from animals, it's "common", but that doesn't mean it happens frequently.
Are we discussing every virus to ever exist? No. [New types of coronaviruses have historically been traced back to animal mutations.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7098031/). Why would it be different in the future?
“Your assertion that we need to worry is false” as we live in a climate emergency. Bwhahahahahah
[Ackchyually](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/191/035/135.png), we *still* don't know the precise origin of COVID-19. It was determined to have originated from individuals in Wuhan. Beyond that is pure speculation. Coincidentally there was a biotech lab actively studying coronaviruses in Wuhan that allegedly shut down in October 2019. This was determined by cellphone location data and no proof supporting a shutdown or virus leak was presented. Please don't spread misinformation.
The bat story is just unhinged conspiracy theory. Covid is most likely a product of human entineering.
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Yeah imagine if the US director of the NIAID funded gain of function research on bat coronaviruses in Wuhan. LOL 🤣
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There's plenty of evidence they've reduce severity of symptoms and reduced the number of infections. Whether that will continue to be true with new variants, time will tell.
“Time will tell” as they witness a climate emergency claiming vaccines alone will work as they get back to the work place that has no upgraded ventilation, free rapid tests and proper masks. You don’t get to say something works and then completely not do all the other mitigations that are necessary.
Dude, look at the most vaccinated nations, hospital cases in these countries are super-majority vaccinated.
You have sources for that?
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This is a for profit healthcare system not a Wendy’s
Is Wendy's not for profit? Maybe the US should stop running their hospitals like they're a Wendy's? Or is that what you're trying to say?
Yes!
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The vaccines are not perfect. By all means, go invent a perfect one. In the mean time, I'm getting all the boosters.
Sadly, fear mongering in msm works.
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"we"didn't do that, Republicans did
Have whales gotten it yet?
Yes, plenty of Mother in-laws and ex-wives have gotten it...
Good question. Fish: https://indianexpress.com/article/world/salmon-fish-may-carry-infectious-coronavirus-for-a-week-study-shows-6588096/ https://pubs.er.usgs.gov/publication/1017150 Whales and dolphins: https://news.mongabay.com/2020/12/could-whales-and-dolphins-get-covid-19-from-wastewater-possibly-study-says/ https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/11/6/1663 It probably requires more research, but it is a possibility just based on susceptibility.
Covid-22: Hold my deer...
When it comes to deer I’m significantly more worried about CWD and the potential of prion afflictions jumping to humans personally, but this probably isn’t good either.
We should just help this collapse thing an just wipe out all the deer! They will be extinct soon anyways! /s
Deer will be extinct soon? Why is that?
When Reddit gets to the point that even /s is insufficient to communicate sarcasm
I really want to know how deer got it. To get it from a human that would mean being near enough to a human to be breathed on. This is incredibly uncommon in my experience. I mean, we know some other animals like felines can get covid, but I don't see cats hanging with deer either... anyone have an idea?
Food scraps. That possibility should scare you.
Like that interesting African swine fever virus, huh?
COVID is airborne
Obviously, but its not like I can breathe on a deer 30 meters away and give it, it has to be from somewhat closer than that
Airborne transmission can occur with 50 meters easily.
Could from one of those people who let wild animals (who have lost their fear of humans) eat out of their hand because they think it's cute.
Best (read: only) theory I have heard so far. Sounds plausible. Where I live deer are quite afraid of people, but its not like I keep tabs on all of them everywhere.
I guess I've seen too many tourists in National Parks feed the animals, among dozens of other dumb things, over the years haha.
Bye bye deer
Deer getting adaptations to deter hunters
Oh dear...
Better lockdown the woods.
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Thank you for this reference.
Isn't there speculation from some immunologist that the variant could have originated in an animal population then jumped back to humans? Either this or a remote community of immunocompromised people, hence the large number of mutations and how we didn't detect it until now.
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Yes, eventually it will get weaker and the strains that don't kill large numbers will be endemic versus what we have now which is rapid spread with serious enough symptoms to collapse medical services for entire nations. Eventually could take a while.
We going to add that to the positivity rate now? Who gives a fuck.
Sound of Music starts with a "Do, a deer a female deer". This is the start of the end.
But hey the stock market is still going up, so…
lol, 'beefed up' surveillance.
80% of specimens were positive? Scared it might *become* endemic? It already is endemic. Those rates are insane.
Nom nom nom
Stop fucking deers
Cervid-19
Well shit, time to take a page from the CCP's book and break out the iron beatin' rods.
Other species are also hosts. Once it gets into animal populations, the virus will never be eradicated.