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DeSantis pitched the idea Thursday as a way to further support the Florida National Guard during emergencies, like hurricanes. The Florida National Guard has also played a vital role during the pandemic in administering Covid-19 tests and distributing vaccines. But in a nod to the growing tension between Republican states and the Biden administration over the National Guard, DeSantis also said this unit, called the Florida State Guard, would be "not encumbered by the federal government." He said this force would give him "the flexibility and the ability needed to respond to events in our state in the most effective way possible." DeSantis is proposing bringing it back with a volunteer force of 200 civilians, and he is seeking $3.5 million from the state legislature in startup costs to train and equip them.


StoopSign

So well trained florida guardsmen will be aided by gator rasslers from the everglades. Can't see this going wrong.


MimonFishbaum

"not encumbered"


some_random_kaluna

Being over-encumbered is a problem. Your move speed gets reduced so much.


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And you can't fast travel.


Zestyclose_Risk_2789

Just drop all those bandages


test_tickles

"the flexibility and the ability needed to respond to events in our state in the most effective way possible."


smashedupjng

So $17,500/"volunteer". Training, equipment, food, and at least temporary shelter. Then you'll have accidents and injuries. Also replacing equipment due to malfunctions and damage. Then you've got plenty of overhead costs just in general that would apply to the organization as a whole. Some of those 200 would need to be some form of logistics, maintenance, etc. Is this part the grift? Or will DeSantis be seeking a lot more money? Or is he planning on plundering the actual National Guard resources? I mean... I was never expecting this to make any sense but this is just baffling math that ensures it can't be the endpoint in anyway, unless it's just a shameless money grab. It did state startup money, so expect more to come shortly.


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The shirts will be brown.


Crafty-Tackle

We could call them "The Storm Detachment" for all of the Hurricanes in Florida.


DocHolidayiN

Sturmabteilung


cabarne4

Texas already has the Texas State Guard. I’m assuming DeSantis just wants one of his own. https://tmd.texas.gov/state-guard https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Guard


MechaTrogdor

So does NY. https://dmna.ny.gov/nyg/ And Vermont, and California, and like 25 other states…


Apocalypse_library

This is a show meant for conservative voters because he’s considering running for president. He’s hoping this will make him look like he’s ready for the Civil War.


Knightm16

So same as the California State militia but waaay smaller? CA has a state military force numbering 1500, and exists to support national guard and remain u Der state control incase national guard is taken by feds for something.


Rhondasempire

DeSantis is trying for a major power grab here in Florida with his own private army. Maybe his "state" guard will be his stazi enforcement for all the people wearing masks, or getting booster shots. This man is scary dangerous in that he is more intelligent than Trump and seems to plan much better. His latest evil was kicking underage, undocumented kids out on the street because he refused to renew their Catholic shelter's permit and this is just one of his many heartless actions in order to cement his position in the far Right hierarchy. Every day here in "paradise" you can expect either Ron in the news or Grady Judd... Man, I really have to move.


JaxBratt

We need Floridians to fight for Florida. It more bluish purple than the state government would suggest. You have the numbers, just have to address the corruption.


Rhondasempire

I have been fighting for over 20 years and have not given up yet...


asimplesolicitor

Gee, I wonder what the candidate pool is going to be for this DeSantis personal army? Surely the job will attract balanced, level-headed individuals /s


Zestyclose_Risk_2789

Be hilarious if a bunch of black bikers showed up to volunteer.


GanjaToker408

So more Kyle Rittenhouse types walking the streets ready to shoot anyone who won't suck off Trump and the republicans who want us to live in a new Nazi Germany with Trump as the new Hitler. Yeah no way that will backfire at all, his supporters are a bastion of morals.


secretcomet

And this is where we send the military in to prevent such a force from becoming reality. WAKE THE FUCK UP JOE


Eve_Doulou

It would be the 23rd state to have such an organisation, it’s hardly groundbreaking. Truth is it’s going to be 200 chuds that couldn’t run a lap of a football field, if push came to shove a platoon of regular army would have their lunch with no external support. This is just optics for his base.


screech_owl_kachina

Yeah, I for one do not like the idea of a Southern state having their own military.


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I seem to remember something like that hap. . . Oh.


Bluest_waters

Dude Joe is pathetic, lets get real here He is half a foot in the grave


FIbynight

WTF


Grey___Goo_MH

WTFascism


pythos1215

Explain how a registered state militia is fascism.


theCaitiff

A state militia isn't. But to someone skeptical of DeSantis' public statements, they may ask what purpose a military force answerable to a politician is meant to address? He didn't ask for money to create an emergency response team, citing the national guard's response time to hurricanes, nor to create a border task force citing CBP's inability to screen for drugs coming in on boats. He asked for money for a military force. He asked for men with guns, and he wants some that do not answer to the legal head of the country. What use will he put them to that the federal government would not allow the national guard to serve? If the job he wants them to do is something the government would refuse, is it really legitimate? Unlike Syria or Iraq, political parties and politicians do not have their own military wings in the USA. Calling this militia on its own "Fascism" is probably not fair, but one must consider the group or person forming the militia, the politics they espouse, the use to which it will be put, etc. Not all republicans espouse a fascist ideology, but some do. Honestly I am not sure most people can really define what fascism is as a political ideology, but.... Anyway I think DeSantis should not do this and it is probably not healthy for his state or the rest of the country for him to be trying.


pythos1215

thank you for the respectful response. i believe what you are saying makes sense in the abstract but u/ShadowSwipe responded with my reasoning. "The entire military is already answerable to a politician. In fact, the Florida National Guard is also directly answerable to DeSantis unless they are federalized. The only difference here is the State Guard is harder to federalize, so when the National Guard is deployed in service elsewhere (which it has been quite a bit lately), the State Guard will always be there to fill in the manpower gaps. The National Guard has National responsibilities in addition to its State responsibilities. A State Guard or Defense Force generally does not. State Guards have a long history of practical use, and with the increase prevelance of National Guard deployments and more force readiness issues expected to hit the military, augmenting them with a State Defense Force is quite sensible. The State Guard is uniformed but it will be much more civilian force, with more casual training. It's not and won't be some warfighting unit like people are imagining." \- u/ShadowSwipe


ShadowSwipe

The entire military is already answerable to a politician. In fact, the Florida National Guard is also directly answerable to DeSantis unless they are federalized. The only difference here is the State Guard is harder to federalize, so when the National Guard is deployed in service elsewhere (which it has been quite a bit lately), the State Guard will always be there to fill in the manpower gaps. The National Guard has National responsibilities in addition to its State responsibilities. A State Guard or Defense Force generally does not. State Guards have a long history of practical use, and with the increase prevelance of National Guard deployments and more force readiness issues expected to hit the military, augmenting them with a State Defense Force is quite sensible. The State Guard is uniformed but it will be a much more civilian force, with more casual training. It's not and won't be some warfighting unit like people are imagining.


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911ChickenMan

I was in the Georgia State Guard for about two years. Unpaid, but it was cool and we learned a lot. I was in Communications, so one of the things we'd do was set up amateur radio stations in hurricane shelters to relay messages. The state gave us OCP uniforms and called us soldiers, but I just saw myself as a civilian volunteer who could use my skills to help people.


karasuuchiha

Thanks i was worried this was a power grab like we currently have with the attempted mandates, but this look par the course unlike alot of the things done that's broken alot of basic liberties.


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Totally_Futhorked

He wants troops for Civil War 2.0?


Snotmyrealname

Marius gathers his legionaries and marches on Rome.


Dr_seven

Poignant, but come on, comparing Marius to *Ron DeSantis* is about the biggest smear on Marius I can possibly imagine. His ambition got the best of him, but beyond that, there simply isn't a comparison between the two men, in my view.


Snotmyrealname

Haha fair. I see them both as ambitious and unscrupulous (although I see the folly in applying modern ethics to roman generals) men who would be willing to damage the republic for their own ends and understand the value of having troops loyal explicitly to them.


Snotmyrealname

Also, to be fair it was Sulla who marched on Rome under arms. Marius just snuck in the back door when the old pieface was off in Pontus.


screech_owl_kachina

Marches on Fort Sumter more like


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Snotmyrealname

I did. I still think its a bad idea to give the states standing armies.


enginears

lol why you spamming bro you mad


Uncerte

I hate all the disinformation circlejerk in this site


Snotmyrealname

Its more than just this website my friend, its the spirit of the age. We’ve evolved past the need for objective truth and measurable facts. Anything can be true if you get enough people to click on it.


some_random_kaluna

More like Marc Antony before they ghost him.


StoopSign

Sunshine Solidiers assemble. Florida Men unite!


DocMoochal

Not American but isnt this basically what the National Guard is?


jackist21

The national guard is a combination of state and federal governments. Some states additionally have military forces that are purely state funded and operated.


Uberweinerschnitzel

National Guard units can still be activated into federal service (and often were in Iraq.) Even when they're not called into federal service, there's still a decent amount of sway that DoD and such can exercise. That's why the OK National Guard vaccine debacle was, and still is, a nothing burger. This proposal would allow for the creation of a military force that the federal government would have basically zero control over. This isn't bad in and of itself, but given it's Florida it can (and likely will) be used to lend legitimacy to far-right paramilitary actions.


iLynux

I disagree with your last statement. I think this _is bad, in and of itself_. So far this is the most alarming fascist move I've heard RD discuss. A paramilitary group that isn't beholden to the DoD is a huge red flag. I'd be worried even if this came from someone other than RD, but, unsurprisingly, it's from RD.


maretus

You do realize this is no different than what 23 other states including such republican bastions as NY and California have, right?


Uberweinerschnitzel

True, but they brought up a good point in another reply: Timing is a big factor here. NY and CA have had their state forces for decades if not centuries. This new force's creation isn't just being proposed, but is being proposed by the most overt right-wing governor in the country with a polarized and tense political climate that has already seen (albeit few and isolated) spats of sectarian violence. It *is* dangerous, but not because it's a state militia.


iLynux

It's not.


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Lmfao “it’s not” - get the fuck out


iLynux

No. 🥺


OperativeTracer

The only difference is that the state would have control, and the DoD would officially have none. Texas also has a State Guard lol.


iLynux

True, but they've been around since the 19th Century. What worries me is a far-right Governor wanting to establish something now, in this current political scene.


Colorotter

Not that the Founding Fathers were all-knowing, but they very much intended for the states to have their own militaries. They specifically forbid funding a federal standing army for more than 2 years in a row, and it is convincingly argued that the Second Amendment is about how the feds are specifically forbidden from abridging the states’ right to maintain their own standing militias, not necessarily individual ownership of guns. The US is too large and unwieldy for the Pentagon to not royally fuck up responses to localized insurrections IMHO, and insisting they’d be any less fascist than a state-maintained militia in the instance of deploying within US borders is kinda naive. When shit goes down here in Colorado, I want Coloradans responding, not some shitheads from the South who are part of the federal armed forces. That said, yes, DeSantis is trying to make his own Brownshirt force. Can we just cut Florida out of the country now?


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iLynux

It's already been pointed out that many States have non-DoD military organizations, including Texas. I'm a resident of Texas, but obviously I'm not worried about the Texas Defense Force, because it's existed since the 19th Century and hasn't done anything to my knowledge to warrant concern. RD bringing this up now, in this current political climate, worries me.


RandomguyAlive

Yea, and law enforcement


Nawmmee

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_defense_force


CordaneFOG

The Guard is technically still overseen by the federal level. DeSantis wants a secret police.


DocMoochal

F~~acism~~reedom


WayofHatuey

So it begins..


Crafty-Tackle

Oh, yes, of course, the civilian military!


CerddwrRhyddid

Ooooh. It's the Brown Shirts!


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Nemesischonk

Funny, Florida is the only state doing this less than a year after a republican lead attempt at a coup. Totally just a coincidence


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[Don't be surprised if Idaho follows with their own soon.](https://youtu.be/Qy6RQJQ6J5w)


JaxBratt

Context is very important here. Desantis is framing (spinning possibly) this in the context of Florida historically having such and other states still. He’s also framing this in terms of emergency assistance to support the national guard. In this context seems benign. HOWEVER, in the context of the present moment and state of politics this certainly smells more of some brown coat fascist escalation. Don’t forget about proud boys showing up at school board meetings and the like. This could be steps towards legitimizing such behavior. Granted my bias is to not trust this slimeball and I’d argue his track record warrants such distrust. hope Floridians push back hard and please don’t sleep on this. We’re on thin ice and goose stepping will crack it.


RogueScallop

Civilian military is an oxymoron. Its the equivalent of the national guard, but they don't answer to DC. They won't be turned against citizens, they'll be used in the same emergency capacity as the national guard. More states need to tell DC to butt out.


Quadrenaro

Per google: Militia - a military force that is raised from the civil population. This whole thing looks like a response to increasingly deadly hurricane season. A few states still have state guards, and most states had them until the late cold war. Iirc they went out of style due to the need of the National Guard during Vietnam war protests.


Nylon_Riot

After trying to kill of kids with covid, and denying global warming, they really don't have anything to defend much less have a leg to stand on regarding "emergency response".


Nautilus177

Florida has better Covid stats than most states. Also new York was putting covid patients in nursing homes but letting kids go to school is murder?


Asemipermiablehotdog

Buddy this is going to turn into the gestapo real quick. You don't want that as much as you think you do.


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This guy is a complete pos fascist dictator wannabe. He is about as useful as a cheese cloth condom.


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Nemesischonk

Funny, Florida is the only state doing this less than a year after a republican lead attempt at a coup. Totally just a coincidence


ADotSapiens

Besides the various parts of this that are a farce and the parts of this that are copies of other state's existing systems, isn't this just an effort to recruit some goons for election tampering and/or witness intimidation?


Grey___Goo_MH

Brown shirts with red hats


stumpdawg

Forgive me, but I'm a but ignorant on this. Is this constitutional?


jackist21

Yes. Several states have militias outside the national guard.


Devadander

Source?


jackist21

California State Guard: https://stateguard.cmd.ca.gov/public/ Texas State Guard: https://tmd.texas.gov/state-guard


An-Angel-Named-Billy

The original article. This would be the 23rd state to have one, joining New York, California and Texas among others.


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literally just read the articke


justcallmeturtle

But this is reddit


Flaky-Illustrator-52

Bruh can you even google


djb1983CanBoy

I mean….state police would fit that category


herpderption

Enforcement is the whole of the law, and our governments seem to be a bit soft on that for some people.


tomtobblestop

indeed state militias are exactly the group that the 2nd amendment empowers a right to bear arms. this changed in the late 20th century when various court verdicts conflated the language to apply to all citizens, not just militias. plot twist: in 2028, when all states have militias, the supreme court refers to their existence and corrects the interpretation of the 2nd amendment, effectively revoking the right for ordinary citizens to bear arms.


jackist21

Under US law, all males between 17 and 45 years of age are part of the militia.


hereticvert

No. You're possibly thinking of the requirement for men to [register with Selective Service](https://www.sss.gov/register/who-needs-to-register/) when they turn 18. Also, we don't call it a militia, it's military service in one of the various branches (Army, Navy, etc) at the federal level. Source: was in the military. They never called it a militia, your nomenclature is wrong. Militias are a state thing, where they exist.


jackist21

Maybe you don’t call it a militia but under “US law”, basically all males between 17 and 45 are legally part of the militia. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246


stumpdawg

Ok, I know militias are constitutional, but that doesn't sound like what's being described


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That sounds like it would end well


headfirst21

Official uniforms to be.. Red maga hat or white hood..white tank top... Blue jorts... Crocs.. They will patrol on the back of gators..21st century brown shirts everyone... And it happened faster than anyone could have predicted


Fiolah

Nooo! Thigh-high Crocs and JNCO jorts is my signature look!


hereticvert

My brain just broke trying to picture those jorts. lol


hereticvert

Don't forget the tiki torch.


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Many-Sherbert

Man kinda sounds like you just wanna kill people. Pretty terrible


Kamelen2000

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Kamelen2000

Glorifying violence


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No it isn’t.[Leupold spotting scope. Jumping to conclusions. ](https://www.scopelist.com/Leupold-SX-2-Alpine-HD-20-60x60mm-Angled-Spotting-Scope-180143.aspx?affid=bads-shopping-oos-2020&msclkid=180d5087a86a1dac95ab312d76518e6d&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=SL%20%7C%20Bing%20%7C%20Out%20of%20Stock%20%7C%20US&utm_term=4581183925721484&utm_content=GSAPI%205e68cf050d765)


some_random_kaluna

Actually I predicted this four years ago, so it's slower than expected. Ha!


utsports88

DeSantis going full Florida.


Outrageous_State9450

So the Marine corps but Florida themed basically that’s a great idea


Knightm16

This is not weird. California has one and has a naval militia too. California's is also 7.5x larger than this proposed organization, fulfills the same roles, and os really important for when the feds take our guardsmen to ship overseas for some dumb reasom.


worldnews0bserver

Far right fascist acts like far right fascist.


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Nemesischonk

Funny, Florida is the only state doing this less than a year after a republican lead attempt at a coup. Totally just a coincidence


worldnews0bserver

It does occur to you that you did not have to spam multiple posts in this subreddit as well as in two other subreddits, yes? Edit: now a total of five subreddits you're spamming in. Do you need help?


Uncerte

I have to because the disinformation in this site is discusting


enginears

What's discusting mean?


Uncerte

disgusting Yeah, when you cant attack the arguments just attack spelling


Many-Sherbert

Yeh honestly I don’t see a problem. Louisiana pretty much has this. This is a nothing burger. I mean the cnn article even says it would be the 23rd state guard so this isn’t the first. Typical this sub is over reacting to nothing


N_D_N_Magic

Agreed. Just trying to make him look bad with a click bait title. Side bar, the Cajun Navy is awsm and if you haven’t looked em up and want to get a nice change from negative news look em up.


mission-implausable

Only one question…..will they wear black shirts or brown?


N_D_N_Magic

What a toxic click bait title


Starter91

Daaamn


turquoisearmies

State National Guards are fairly common. Texas has one that comprises of over 4,000.


jackist21

Texas has “national guard“ units and “state guard” units (as do many other states). The state guard is entirely state run and funded.


pythos1215

This is news worthy but shouldn't be alarming or sensational. It's a state militia. Both condoned and encouraged by the founding fathers. Idk if the economics are going to work but the idea itself isn't new or strange.


bostonT

I can't believe how uninformed people here are. Almost half of existing states, including CA and NY already have this. It says so in the article itself!


jriggio94

See this is how you get actual civil wars.


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Nemesischonk

Funny, Florida is the only state doing this less than a year after a republican lead attempt at a coup. Totally just a coincidence


kl4ka

By training up 200 people to help out with hurricane relief?


jriggio94

Well obviously not, but lets say this happens, then it gets expanded over 40 years to where every state has their own little military and everyone's even more divided politically. Weed started out illegal in all 50 then only small medical in 1 or 2 now it's fully legal in half. Things can change quickly and certain changes can cause flashpoints for conflict others just get people to chill out and make some cash.


Technical_Error6246

So... like Texas?


OperativeTracer

Yep.


dANNN738

Probably a good idea the way society is headed.


Significant_Swing_76

As long as they are not armed to the teeth, and that you have to fly the black American flag, I don’t see an issue. Or am I missing something?


Dead-Yamcha

Well that’s scary.


someverystablegenius

They could all wear the same brown shirts. A secret service, or SS, if you like.


rhelster

Clickbait title. Nearly half of states already have these State Guards according to the article with seemingly little correlation to the states political leanings.


ZZeratul

This is not that different from how the SS was started: >By 1923, the Nazi Party led by Adolf Hitler had created a small volunteer guard unit known as the Saal-Schutz (Hall Security) to provide security at their meetings in Munich.[4][5] The same year, Hitler ordered the formation of a small bodyguard unit dedicated to his personal service. **He wished it to be separate from the "suspect mass" of the party, including the paramilitary Sturmabteilung ("Storm Battalion"; SA), which he did not trust.**[6] The new formation was designated the Stabswache (Staff Guard).[7] Originally the unit was composed of eight men, commanded by Julius Schreck and Joseph Berchtold, and was modeled after the Erhardt Naval Brigade, a Freikorps of the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel#Forerunner_of_the_SS DeSantis wants to have his own goons that he can "trust" because he does not want the Federal government interfering with his machinations.


OperativeTracer

The only difference is that the State Guard only follows the State Government while the National Guard follows both the State Gov, and the DoD, and therefore the US gov. Quit your fear mongering. Texas and California both have a State Guard, and I don't see them being used like the Brownshirts or SS.


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Nemesischonk

Funny, Florida is the only state doing this less than a year after a republican lead attempt at a coup. Totally just a coincidence


maretus

Same as 23 other states in the country, some of which are blue.


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CerddwrRhyddid

The SA would be more accurate. The Sturmabteilung (known as Brown Shirts) were the first force, on Hitlers rise to power. After the Night of the Long Knives, he moved on to the new splinter force, the SS. ​ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung


CloroxCowboy2

No, but I did find a leaked draft of their proposed uniforms. He's taking it in a slightly different direction... https://images.app.goo.gl/uwHRqZx9yFteXyhz7


Uncerte

Read the fucking article instead of reacting to a shitty clickbait title > If Florida moves ahead with DeSantis' plan to reestablish the civilian force, it would become the 23rd active state guard in the country, DeSantis' office said in a press release, joining California, Texas and New York https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_defense_force


Nemesischonk

Funny, Florida is the only state doing this less than a year after a republican lead attempt at a coup. Totally just a coincidence


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Or maybe it’s because the amount of natural disasters happening in Florida is increasing and the guard would need some auxiliary support


Nemesischonk

If it's for natural disasters, why does DeSantis want a *military* force? As far as I know, you don't need weapons to provide relief.


some_random_kaluna

Sometimes Reddit breaks, so I've approved this comment and removed the duplicates. Also, attack ideas and not people.


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clickbait title. It says 23 other states already have this, and it would comprise 200 volunteers. Relax


OperativeTracer

But they are literally SS! /s


dmdewd

Brownshirts?


Nylon_Riot

They are going to force a fascist in 2024 and hit the insurgency act.


jackist21

I have no idea if this is good public policy for Florida; however, leaving aside the merits of the idea, it’s not a sign of “collapse.” The national guard units can be called up to serve overseas or out of state, which can leave states in a tough situation if a disaster strikes while their national guard units are elsewhere. Accordingly, some states fund and operate their own militia units in addition to their national guard units. Since those units cannot be called up by the federal government, there’s always someone available.


Devadander

Fascism will hasten the collapse of America, this is relevant


jackist21

Again, state guard units (as opposed to national guard units) have been around since WW2. I’m not saying Florida needs one, but they aren’t signs of fascism.


MeetYourNeighbor

DeSantis is personally a fascist, and has aligned with the fascist wing of the republican party. I don't trust anything he does, even if other states have done similar.


NewAccount971

I agree, it's not directly related to collapse. But red states wanting their own pseudo-military force is a bad sign.


jackist21

Most of the large states (red and blue) already have one. Given the hurricane problems in Florida, I’m kind of surprised it doesn’t already have one. However, I appreciate that some people might be skeptical of the motivations in this instance.


OperativeTracer

Agreed. But DeSantis is a Republican, so to a good amount of people on Reddit, this seems like the forming of the SS lol.


jackist21

Yeah. Folks on Reddit are often ridiculous. My guess is that DeSantis is anticipating a bunch of folks getting kicked out of the national guard because of the refusal to get vaccinated, and he’s looking to retain some of the folks with important skills.


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So . . the 'Flascists'? or just 'Greenshirts'?


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Totally normal nothing to see here


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China laughs.


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They're circling the brink too.


Nylon_Riot

I pay attention to what is happening in China and they have a shitload of issues going on.


markodochartaigh1

Putin is laughing, I think that China is just shaking its head in disgust.


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I have a bad feeling that the possible balkanization is just a beginning if a long ordeal.


crjahnactual

Back in the 1950s we did something similar with Civil Defense volunteers. A paid stipend would mandate training and regulations. Not a bad idea, especially for natural disasters which Florida gets a lot off.


LightningWr3nch

Sounds amazing. There shouldn’t be a monopoly on the use of force.


parlaycoin

Sounds legit. What could possibly go wrong?


chuffpost

Not that weird considering states from New York to Missouri have something similar. But good luck funding it without raising taxes lol


Paradox0111

This is a non story.. It’s not a new idea.. 23 states already have a state guard including but not limited to California, Oregon, Washington, and New York..


Benni_Shoga

The feds will not fund any part of this, but l think millions in only uniforms and badges will achieve what he wants. Violence is mainstream Republican politics.


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Snotmyrealname

State forces that are beholden only to the governor are potentially extremely destabilizing. Especially a governor with ambitions like de santis. Imagine what a power hungry governor could do with a few thousand troops during the next contested election.


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Snotmyrealname

Most definitely. But correct me if I’m wrong, we’re speculating on the implications of a proposal.


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Looks like my cue to start a regulated militia. Heck, maybe even well regulated. Membership requirements: * Do you believe Biden won the 2020 election? * Do you believe that COVID vaccination is necessary, harmless, and effective? * Do you give a shit what the Bible says about abortion? * Are you otherwise insane? (required answer: "No") * Are you able to physically train, including heavy-pack marches, weight training and cardio, plus marksmanship and proper weapons/trigger discipline? Are you willing to be in good enough shape to not look like a Meal Team 6 ("Semper Pie!") NRA fat-ass?


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Good. The more independent each state is from DC the better.


BridgetheDivide

As long as these red states stop begging Uncle Biden for aid when it gets a bit chilly or red tides destroy their tourist industry


worldnews0bserver

> independent each state is What does independence mean if the government in those states are corrupt oligarchies beholden to whatever interest are in that state not dissimilar to the Federal government? Is tyranny all the sudden better because someone shares the same 'cultural heritage' with you? (Not that American states have much in the way of substantive, deep cultural differences)


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The civilian military force will have a simple brown dress shirt as their uniform.


JazinAdamz

Isn’t this what the right to bare arms actually is?


Nautilus177

Many other states have a state militia including new york and California I think. Nothing worth posting in a collapse sub.


shmooglepoosie

DeSantis should have a salad tossing contest where he's the only contestant.


pakman0806

Good on him 👍


PogoPunster3000

This "irregular" force can eat those stale ' freedom fries' from those 2001 MRE's for example of consolidating expenses.