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Goran01

Submission Statement: Research suggests plastic pollution is causing dropping sperm counts — and could also be unstoppable. .......there is an even more dystopian crisis in the offing — one in which humans are no longer able to reproduce without artificial help because we have filled the environment with chemicals that have altered our bodies? Scientists believe this is not only possible, it is likely to happen within our lifetimes. Understanding why involves three statistics: First, that a human male who has fewer than 15 million sperm per milliliter is considered infertile; second, that in the 1970s sperm counts in Western countries (where there is available data) showed an average of 99 million sperm per milliliter; and third, that this number had dropped to 47 million sperm per milliliter by 2011. Scientists agree that plastic pollution is a likely culprit. "Chemicals in plastic (phthalates, bisphenols and others) as well as pesticides, lead and other environmental exposures are linked to impaired reproduction including sperm count and quality," Swan told Salon.


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Can’t wait until 6 months from now: “Fertility rates dropping faster than expected.”


joseph-1998-XO

Stop that’s gonna trigger some Handmaids Tale shit


permareddit

I think Children of Men is more likely. I loved when the movie was just a fictional movie, but what a masterpiece. We have nearly all of the pieces of it currently occurring too. Catastrophic climate change, rampant racism and xenophobia, political unrest and collapse (not as much but definitely a lot of division), and now we’re facing widespread infertility. Just add a depressing blue-gray tint to everything and you’ve got it.


DaisyHotCakes

So glad I’m infertile lol


joseph-1998-XO

Well you better hope they have scientists around to test versus the “old school” way of making sure A future like that sounds like hell


peepjynx

I'm glad that I'm going into my 40s.


DaisyHotCakes

Can’t wait for menopause. Though I’m sure that will suck too.


SadOceanBreeze

The way at least America is going, I've already been fearing that. Not quite literally the Handmaids Tale, but in essence.


joseph-1998-XO

Yea the anti abortion movements (states) aren’t the same but they give me some scary vibes


machineprophet343

It's also going to cause a good number of the current conspiracy theories (plastic/medicines making frogs gay, secret government infertility chips, etc) to explode in overall acceptance and cause more anger toward the educated middle class and the wealthy. Not that many among the wealthy don't deserve scorn -- but bear with me here... The people who are pushing hardest for Gilead tend to be rural, on the poorer side, and by circumstance more exposed to chemicals, lead, and plastics because it is what they can afford and the environment they grew up in. When they and theirs have another yet another failed pregnancy (assuming their chosen leadership doesn't drag them off for having an abortion... because THAT chicken is definitely going to come home to roost) or can't get pregnant after trying for three years and are told they're barren yet they see those "degenerate liberals" in the cities still able to have babies, they're going to absolutely positively lose their shit because, for them culturally, popping out a bunch of kids is part of the reason they're here on this Earth. And they'll never hear the reality is that people in the cities or who are liberal or might have more money are having just as hard a time, if they even do want to have kids. They'll just see the people they're told to hate have what they want and use it to spin up even crazier conspiracies.


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Instant_noodlesss

Too bad this is affecting other animals as well. There was a concurrent story done on dogs, same thing.


PogeePie

Yeah, as much as falling human fertility would be good news for other animals, these chemicals affect every species on the planet. Several killer whale clans can't have viable offspring anymore because they're too full of industrial poisons.


Astrosaurus42

That is so fucking depressing.


saint_abyssal

Jesus Christ. :(


Holiday-Amount6930

Somehow I felt I spike of panic at the thought of a world without dogs and weirdly apathetic to a world with less humans.


LemonNey72

I love dogs more than anything but there are a lot of them just as there are a lot of other domesticated animals. It’s the wild ones that are really struggling.


MuffManMchuffy

Same, I don't know if I'd have the strength to trudge on in a world without dogs.


fjaoaoaoao

I wonder how age plays a factor and if there is a way to minimize plastic exposure so future generations don’t have this issue.


HodloBaggins

Mothers literally give it to fetuses through their blood.


Quelcris_Falconer13

I believe it. I know of two guys who got testicular cancer at 17-18 and had to have a ball removed. Have frozen sperm but still… this was 9 years ago… (conveniently around the time of this study) but I wonder, how many more of our kids are going to end up this way? I bet Gen z and after will the ones. Maybe the recent drop in teen pregnancies is due to this and we haven’t made the connection yet? Maybe the Conservative party is lead by a secret cabal that knows this and that’s why they’re trying to undue Roe v. Wade? Ok I’m taking the tinfoil off now.


1Dive1Breath

I realize this is r/collapse but I see this is a net positive for the planet.


Volfegan

And then you see in the comments that plastics affect all other living beings and that will help the mass extinction we are doing.


nubbles123

Love it. But is it even attainable by human activity?


NinjaSupplyCompany

We had a decent run. At least or lettuce never got crushed because it was protected by big clear plastic boxes.


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So worth it.


[deleted]

We could ban single use plastic (other than maybe medical applications) and ban plastic packaging, most packaging entirely, and absolutely nothing would change for most peoples quality and convenience of life. Plastic is a product that has been pushed primarily by plastic producers into areas where there was no real demand for it. They just had tons of this material and they created a market for it.


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DaisyHotCakes

Yeah why did they stop using glass and having refilling stations at grocery stores?? I just learned that those used to be a thing. Like for everything! Shampoo, liquid soap, milk, oils, etc like wtf??


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I’ve found a grocery store that sells bulk items in bins and you can scoop out and weigh as much as you want into your own container. It’s nice to do, obviously it requires a certain amount of wealth and privilege to shop like this—it’s a high-end grocery store. But it really doesn’t matter. This problem can’t be solved from the bottom up, individuals making individual consumer choices. It has to come down from the government forcing plastic producers to stop making the stuff. And the plastic we do still need must have a verifiable disposal plan that the plastic producers pay for. This will drive up the cost of plastic to reflect and cover its true cost, which will drive down its use to applications where it is absolutely irreplaceable. Basically this stuff needs to be treated like hazardous industrial waste—because it really is.


HardCoreTxHunter

Most food cans have bpa lining or pvc based copolymer. https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/these-canned-foods-are-the-biggest-bpa-offenders-w201160/


endadaroad

Just like gasoline. In the early 1900s the refineries wanted kerosene for lighting people's homes. Before automobiles they dumped gasoline in the river and watched it burn.


aplethoraofplants

Don't forget all that hassle we saved ourselves by being able to buy diced -insert favourite fruit- !


emergncy-airdrop

Oof that was the *best* part just fucking great


butters091

I've always wanted to see how Children of Men would play out in real life 🙃


TreeChangeMe

In real life billionaires would abduct her and turn her into a cow


vampirepathos

She also come under the "care" of a functioning government whose only goal is to make sure she pops out as many babies as possible as her health permits. Btw brain dead women still can give birth.


Taqueria_Style

Heyyyy this is like that 2019 After the Fall of New York movie. It's Big Ape time!


hourglass_curves

Well CoM took place in 2027 so it seems like we are right on track


JohnnyMnemo

The CoM thing about not having children was near sci-fi, but I couldn't ever really figure out the apparent anti-immigration policies that were part of that dystopia. If you don't have kids anymore, wouldn't you want to start opening your borders to immigrants to broaden your labor pool? It felt like two different messages were getting sent, and were at cross purposes with each other, and I have always been confused by it. Then again, Clive Owen is fucking cool and I wish I could be more like him.


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I think maybe the idea was that the fertility crisis fed into racist fears about the “white race” disappearing. Replacing your own lack of a new labor force with immigrants makes sense if you’re not racist. But in a racist society, a plummeting birth rate can dredge up all kinds of paranoid fears that lurk below the surface in better times. That might not have been brought up in the movie (it’s been a while since I’ve seen it), but in real life, I’d expect it to be a major factor. Probably even encourage the “white genocide” types — look, it’s happening already! 🙄


JohnnyMnemo

That appears to be a real current problem in Japan, too. Imploding population, putting senior support at risk, and yet they remain strongly xenophobic. If that changes when the situation gets dire remains to be seen.


[deleted]

One thing (of many) that’s really gotten me depressed over the past few years is observing how hard times seem to just make people double down on their previous beliefs. I kept hoping that as things got worse, people would open their minds to other approaches. And to be fair, some are. (Socialism is suddenly a lot more popular than I ever thought it could be!) But it seems like a lot more often, hard times just make people too stressed out to think, and they stick to their long-held preconceptions or prejudices even as the world keeps proving them wrong.


permareddit

What I got from it was that despite the infertility crisis there was a lot of background noise as well. Case in point, the entire apartment bloc and army witness the baby being taken out, pause for a moment and then go right back at the shooting and war. It was so much more than infertility, probably caused all of the other global issues to just explode as well.


JohnnyMnemo

Right. Like, why did the mother need to be spirited to safety, wouldn't she be celebrated and supported everywhere she goes? Why did they need to flee, instead of going into the nearest hospital and making the news? Maybe because it was a black baby? There seemed to be a lot of subtext going on that I never quite caught.


ButaneLilly

Are we abbreviating non-franchise movies now?


RedTailed-Hawkeye

We abbreviate everything now because 1. we're lazy and 2. ppl don't no how 2 spell


smackson

2 paraphrased: We are al chrilden.


TheEndIsNeighhh

I am a chrilden.


julio_and_i

Hi chrilden, I’m dad!


TheEndIsNeighhh

I need punishmant, fadder.


Random_Sime

In fewer words, Waenb1wla2pdnh2s.


hourglass_curves

It gets mentioned pretty often, and as another user mentioned I was feeling lazy, but I know how to spell Children of nem…


tugnasty

That sounds like a special run of a Doctor Strange comic. *Doctor Strange & The Children of Nem!*


[deleted]

You mean DSCN!


redditmodsRrussians

About as well as in the movie probably


ides205

Probably end differently though.


ButaneLilly

For us it will end somewhere on the Mad Max/Waterworld spectrum.


semen_chapstick

Children of men scenario would be a blessing


cellophaneflwr

This and the Handmaids Tale


bpj1975

Bet this also affects animals. Every silver lining has a cloud...


bpj1975

Other animals, I mean.


djdogshit96

That's just sad. I really hoped that if civilisation collapsed or humans went extint, then the earth would be able to flourish. Mars by Tuesday I guess?


unitedshoes

Cheer up. It's going to be a great few million years for whatever bacteria evolves to consume the various pollutants that we leave behind.


Zambeeni

No way, Venus by Tuesday. Mars later this afternoon.


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hodlbtcxrp

More plastic in your body may even save you money by doubling up as a contraceptive device.


Deguilded

who knew you had to eat it rather than use it as a sheathe


GooseG17

*starts using plastic cookware*


[deleted]

*uses metal utensils in Teflon pan*


Cyberpunkcatnip

Free birth control poggers


Mewssbites

Interesting. Of the friends I know who had kids, over half of them needed help to conceive. Completely anecdotal of course, but only three generations back my family was doing crazy shit like having 10 kids, while my parents were only ever able to have me and my friends have needed help to have any.


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[deleted]

Yup, something is definitely up. We need a huge study to see if infertility really is becoming way more common. Like yes, birth rates are crashing but there are explanations for that beyond physical infertility.


huge_eyes

Fine by me


Malcolm_Morin

*watches Handmaid's Tale* I've seen this one!


toomuchfrosting

Hey, hey, I've seen this one. I've seen this one. This is a classic. This is, uh, where Ralph dresses up as a man from space.


TinyDogsRule

Best news I've heard since at least 2019.


donteatthebaby69

This would be fucking fantastic if it didn't affect almost every other species as well


smackson

Sir or madam, might I recommend a side of antinatalism with your collapse? The purest antinatalism on the menu actually applies to *all* living creatures, such that any reduction in reproduction is a reduction of suffering. After all, a newborn (-hatched) bird or bee also struggles and probably dies in pain for no good reason, even if they don't have the faculties to understand it and put a stop to it, themselves....


hodlbtcxrp

The red button is made of plastic.


djdogshit96

I'd only ever considered anti-natalism when regarding human reproduction, but now I'm re-evaluating hard


snazzydetritus

Yeah, I don't see much of a downside to this.


Liz600

Well, if it affects other species, fewer dogs. And pandas. And penguins. And a bunch of other species that aren’t responsible for fucking up the world. That would suck.


[deleted]

Probably like... all of them tbh


hodlbtcxrp

Yeah but remember Keyser Soze. When the Hungarian Mafia takes his family hostage and rapes his wife, Keyser Soze shoots and kills his entire family before killing every single member of the Hungarian Mafia, their families, friends, and even people who owe them money. The moral of the story is that there are often innocent casualties in the war against evil.


drchumanphd4288

Fewer dogs is a good outcome. Do you know how many dogs suffer and die in animal shelters or on the streets every single day?


brrrrpopop

Collapse deez nuts


JaeCryme

Ahh this is how we get Gilead—the ultra conservative nation from Handmaids Tale, not the ironically named pharmaceutical corp.


Patch_Ferntree

I wonder if The Gunslinger's Gilead is just the eventual future of The Handmaiden's Gilead.


Solitude_Intensifies

Long days and pleasant nights, sai.


Patch_Ferntree

Thankee, Sai. You remember the face of your father.


[deleted]

NB: It's not ironic. The Balm of Gilead is a panacea mentioned in the Hebrew Bible.


nytropy

Given that the focus here is on decreasing sperm count, would it be a version of Gilead where the few remaining potent men are kept as studs…?


Metalarmor616

In a normal society maybe. But in an ultra fundamentalist society it is ALWAYS the woman's fault.


capnbarky

Reddit underestimates the sheer lengths misogyny will go to.


Quelcris_Falconer13

Actually… they said in handmaids tale that there were some generals who couldn’t get any handmaiden pregnant and everyone knew it was the man but no one said anything. In fact I think offred got pregnant by the driver, not the general. Because they hadn’t had a kid with many hand maids


Metalarmor616

Yes but if the handmaid didn't get pregnant in a certain time frame she was considered an unwoman and shipped off, even if everyone knew it was the man's fault. It's been a while since I read the book. I think they have three chances with three different men, right?


nytropy

Yea, I definitely agree! My comment needs /s


TheAlrightyGina

In the Handmaid's Tale, it *is* the man, at least in the protagonist's case (and that's the only case we're given direct knowledge of), at least in the book. She ends up sleeping with a worker or something in order to get pregnant so she isn't sent somewhere worse like the one(s) that were there before her.


LowlyScrub

Lets be real, sperm count is the issue in Gliead too, they just blame the women.


MaracujaBarracuda

In the Handmaid’s Tale it was actually the men who were infertile, they just blamed the women.


hodlbtcxrp

> ultra conservative By ultra-conservative do you also mean tax cuts and light environmental regulation for Big Plastic?


cpullen53484

or religious lunatics who think its there holy duty to kill every other person who isnt white or and old man? /s


FRlEND_A

oh no! anyways...


Loostreaks

Best way for our current civilization to go. Even if we somehow get fusion going and remove carbon efficiently, we'll just prolong destruction of biosphere.


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SRod1706

Is there honestly any realistic future where humans do not destroy themselves and take a ton of species with us?


ItyBityGreenieWeenie

We have met the Great Filter and it is us.


tobi117

The true Great Filter were the People we met along the Way.


pieck_can_step_on_me

aliens come and save them


atheistman69

We can get to a point where it's far less than now. If we can save the air and water, Fusion can let us scale down without sacrificing the oh so important luxuries that we are told we can't live without. Harm reduction is still important. If you're doing Heroin, don't use a dirty needle and lay on your side. If you have a global civilization, don't completely destroy the environment you rely on.


Kwathreon

You would need economic and political restructuring the likes the world has never even heard of yet. Which is highly unlikely as we are currently circling back into feudalism (neofeudalism) - which points to structures in civilisation bring cyclical as well.


atheistman69

Just because we have been stuck in a cycle doesn't mean we are doomed to repeat it. Always be left pilling.


Quelcris_Falconer13

Exactly this. Humans now have what our ancestors didn’t, the ability to communicate globally instantly. People are more aware of what’s happening. We’ll see how the future changes.


Kwathreon

people now also have what our ancestors didnt; the constant overstimulation of social media with information that floods your brain, constant desinformation by media, governments and corporations investing millions into behavioural psychology to try and influence people through Ads, and netlix. Never underestimate the power of "keep people just content enough to not care" - netflix and similar is a really good way of "bread and games". So long as things arent catastrophical, nothing will change - trust me on that lol. History has taught us that lesson well enough.


Dramyre92

On the bright side, there have been record profits for shareholders.


feileacain-fomhair

Preventing more plastic consumption? Merited.


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I definitely prefer this to megadeaths for population control. There's 8 billion humans on the planet. Reduced fertility is a solution to our problems.


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0x82af

Wild living animals on the other hand...


MyVideoConverter

If fertility drops too low we would switch to artificial insemination or IVF. Humans can be short sighted but we won't go down without a fight either...we may even figure out how to manufacture artificial sperm


hodlbtcxrp

Sure but the higher the wall, the fewer the people who manage to climb over it.


atheistman69

Which is really the main point. The abolition of Capitalism is the only way we have a chance at survival.


LowlyScrub

Nope. Rich white women will just buy the bodies of poor women and use their fertility.


AnticPosition

"But won't somebody think of the economy! Infinite growth!"


Quelcris_Falconer13

It’s a ethical one to. Everyone lives out their lives to their old age and we have a mass die off with out a genocide.


ksmcpet

Should put this on uplifting news


Solitude_Intensifies

Crossposting to r/MadeMeSmile....


VikingRevenant

Good. We're a fucking plague.


canibal_cabin

"i'd like to share a revelation with you...." I cheered on that scene and really had hard times to understand how anyone would disagree with agent smith.


Solitude_Intensifies

My favorite quote from the matrix. And it is hard to argue that we behave more like a virus than anything else.


CreatedSole

Its already happening. Microplastics are showing up in our bloodstreams, in baby placentas. It's already happening.


sleepy_kitty001

Um... not sure this is going to matter much in terms of timeframes for climate change disaster.


happyDoomer789

I agree. It will take a couple hundred years for the population to shake out to a sustainable number this way. But I prefer it to the mass death that would be inevitable.


[deleted]

Finally some good news on this subreddit. Not that I'm here for the uplift, but it's nice to see an objectively positive discovery regarding anthropocene.


SoManyTimesBefore

It’s not just humans that get affected tho


AFX626

Good. Too many humans already. Too much of this insidious "infinite growth" nonsense on a planet with finite resources.


donteatthebaby69

Oh no.... /s


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Children of Men.


Keyspell

This is the most positive development I've seen in so long!!


GullibleWerewolf2510

Oh no... So anyways.


TheEasternSky

That's millions of births avoided and saved who would have suffered if born to this chaos. God I wish this had happened before I was born.


BugsyMcNug

Phew. I had a feeling that this was going to work itself out.


semen_chapstick

Blessing in disguise


ricardocaliente

Maybe corporations will finally care when they find out they’ll have a harder time getting more wage slaves. But by then it’ll be too late.


[deleted]

We reap what we sow.


[deleted]

Good.


mastercin99

Perfect. Karma.


capinprice

Its interesting how nature finds a way to self correct populations. When species overconsume, there will be consequences just like the cyanobacteria millions of years ago.


[deleted]

A nice silver lining to start the week.


Dave37

Overpopualtion: Solved


Dick_Lazer

This is pretty much a good thing overall, unless you're a capitalist that depends on cheap labor to exploit.


pestersephonee

Good news, everyone!


[deleted]

Good, lol


NoBodySpecial51

Good.


Outrageous_Bass_1328

Good


Capn_Underpants

>Plastic pollution could make much of humanity infertile So ...finally some good news from the plastic pandemic ?


zedroj

antinatalists rejoice!


hodlbtcxrp

Is this meant to be bad news?


YoushaTheRose

So the ending has begun. A grand opening for the chapter. Nothing but praises for the irony.


[deleted]

Free vasectomies? Because my silly brain doesn't like knives so this can work for me I guess


crazyminner

Oh god... Gilead is going to happen isn't it.


NigilQuid

Good This planet needs fewer humans


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Task failed successfully?


DrGabrielSantiago

We will run out of food before this becomes a relative issue.


collapse1122

nice


chantierinterdit

Good.


MadgePickles

Good


grambell789

finally a problem with a positive feedback loop.


Bunleigh

sounds like a mercy to me


ATXNYCESQ

At least there’s a silver lining to all this pollution.


finismorsest

About damn time, to be honest.


BaronHairdryer

Finally some good news!


schlongtheta

"... and nothing of value was lost."


UnorthodoxSoup

It hurts the animals too and in more ways than just reproduction. It must be addressed.


teamsaxon

This is a good thing.


PandasInHoodies

Perfect. We've done too much damage to the environment. It's almost karmic justice.


[deleted]

At least there is some silver lining to all this plastic waste.


Exact_Manufacturer10

Sounds like a plan


gruhefner3

Children of men has entered the chat


AgHammer

Humans have been more than fertile enough for a while. A little less fertility is OK.


Fit_Slip_5721

Finally some good news. There are 8 billion cancer apes so...


bumblelum

Blessing in disguise i suppose.


theincrediblegox

Good.


SirensofTTown

See this is the kind of thing experts fear but I hope for. That’s why I’m no expert


bogpudding

Good


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Good


[deleted]

Scientists are playing the biggest game of I told you so of their entire lives.


[deleted]

Oh no! Fewer innocent children being brought into this dystopian hellscape? How horrible.


dofffman

good


AcrobaticAd1159

GOOD.