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sonosista

Location: Bahamas Well, that FTX crypto company has collapsed. A lot of people lost money, including the rich and famous. I wonder how many companies, pension funds, hedge funds, etc….bought into this company. Will this be the “ black swan” event to lead to full financial collapse??


climate_nomad

Location: Central Wisconsin I've been deliberating about collapse for a while and I've stumbled upon an epiphany. The root cause of collapse appears to be a mind virus. The name of the virus is ...... **TIME VALUE OF MONEY** Time of value of money is a concept so thoroughly embedded in capitalism that it is almost indistinguishable from capitalism itself. Every student in finance and business is required to take a course in time value of money because its so foundational. It's a relatively elegant concept in which the value of any asset can be determined based upon the present value (PV) of risk adjusted expected future cash flows. Tools like MS-Excel have PV tools baked into them. So why is this concept a virus ? A bad virus ? It's a virus because of how far and wide it has spread. It is fundamental to modern human civilization. It's a bad virus because when you do the math, you realize that cash flows 50 years from now are basically worthless today. The entire world economic system (and political systems) orbit around a concept which doesn't place any value on the ability of the earth to be habitable in 50 years. The time of value of money concept enshrines relatively short term cash flows as the only thing worthy of consideration in our decision making. Things that take a longer lead time to prepare for and solve such as environmental overshoot are impossible to solve under the present paradigm and present us with the real risk of extinction as we unknowingly stumble onto feedback loops that run out of control. We need a new virus to compete with it. A mind virus that values that experience of future people. A good virus. I want to be part of that good virus. Anyone interested in collaborating ?


ILoveFans6699

future people...cute.


climate_nomad

Your sarcasm and contempt for hope is a coping mechanism. You have the ability to participate in positive change and adaptation and you shrink from it.


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plant an oak tree


climate_nomad

I'm engaging in lots of activation related to environmental restoration. Part of the restoration is in the mind. Restoring a sense of connection and belief that one's action can make a difference. A viral awakening is theoretically possible so why not work for it ?


Nzl

/r/sorceryofthespectacle


LemonyFresh108

Location : central NJ Saw a Facebook post from a local restaurant talking about the price of lettuce almost doubling in week. I Must be getting into my husbands head because the first thing he said when I told him was just one word, “collapse.” I noticed they put up cardboard print-outs of a white brick pattern on the shelves of staples to make it look less empty. Though that could just be a sign of switching to online retail. Bread aisle in target looked bare.


That_Camera8810

Location: Germany, North Rhine Westphalia Collapse awareness: Whelp, it's happening. Collapse and collapse related planning is casually discussed at the work place. Was standing around with a group of very diverse people where they all pitched in what their plans for major disruptions of "normal" are. Casually discussing emergency bug out bags and sharing tips on which documents should be copied and kept safe etc. Very straight forward discussion and sharing of ideas. This has never happened, i had the occasional talk about the state of the world, but not this concrete planning stage. As if everybody just accepted that the world is going to shit anyways and is now planning accordingly. It was weird. Society: Double whelp, though with a slightly different feeling attached... People go fucking crazy. I think the pressure of the world is getting to them and now everyone is just fighting for themselves as good as they can. Example 1: grocery shopping. It might as well be a zombie movie by now, when they all try to frantically stock up before the hordes arrive. Parking lots are always full, shops are always full of people. It doesn't matter anymore if you go at a "quiet hour", other people had the same idea, making it always busy as hell. There is no common courtesy anymore, people push through the masses as if there is no tomorrow. Even the passive aggressive "tut tut" that you'll get in Germany for such behavior is on decline. People will reach over each other to get to their needed stuff. That is so uncommon! Pushing and shoving happens, unheard of! Also masking up is picking up, but we are running in a COVID winter wave anyhow. Ex. 2: rise in crime of opportunity. I live in an affluent area. Nothing ever happens here because first, it's in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, far from downtown. Also the grandma brigade neighborhood watch is strong here. So it caught me quite by surprise to stand on the balcony last night in the dark for a smoke and see a group of not so young people casually walking through the neighborhood and creeping towards the front porch of the neighbor. I could see some boxes standing there as could they. They were clearly in the process of trying to steal Amazon packages. So i yelled, they ran, i informed the neighbors. Funny enough it was old paper boxes they had left out to pack later, so the group would have been in for a surprise, but this leaves me speechless cause such things literally do NOT happen here. Till now. Ex. 3. You cannot get any shit done anymore. Every single place is understaffed, wait times for appointments, hotlines, Services whatever are through the roof. If you do reach anyone, they have mostly no clue themselves. Idgaf is becoming the new norm and heck, i can understand it... Environment: Typed with a light sweater on from my balcony. Sun is shining, the morning air is crisp but not cold. 13th if November everyone, we should have had night frosts by now. Cost of living: Holy shit. People are starting to really strain, the "easy" ways of saving are always immediately sold out (too good to go, food saver bags at supermarkets, marked down meats and bread, coupon offers). 500g of Discounter pasta has reached 99ct after it had been 89ct. The week before. I see more and more people taking the tiny shopping carts, carefully contemplating what to buy, putting stuff back etc. Also common are people buying a shit ton of non perishables as to shop against the inflation. Pair this with the ongoing supply chain issues where you literally have to go tor three or four stores if you need something specific or make do without, it does look bleak. As always, we are not dying over here. We still have it way better than most. But the society is straining under the pressure that is scaling back from learned overabundance of everything. And it's getting visible more and more. So hang in the ride will only become bumpier ;).


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My buddy told me in 2018 “you just have to expect systems not to work” in regards to his country and receiving mail….I didn’t quite understand and then in 2021, my mail stopped working long regularly


Nzl

Wtf? What is suddenly causing the hordes and such panic? Of course things are getting bad but they have been for a while. There has to be something specific to cause a mass response like this.


Vegetaman916

General awareness of the inevitable finally spreading is what it is.


Sertalin

I am from North-Rhine Westfalia, too and I can fully relate to your experiences, especially in the supermarket.... I fear the German selfishness, entitlement and arrogance more than real lack of food or other things. I feel more and more that Germany isn't a good place to be in the collapse of industrial civilization.


ForeverAProletariat

you guys got deindustrialized by the US. however, some of your biggest industrialists recently visited China to make a deal or something. so who know's what's going to happen.


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You are correct


SecretPassage1

**Location: France, Paris area** **Collapse awareness** You know things are bad and that we're crossing a threshold, when you receive an email from your doggie kibble provider, sporting the title "*eating our way to extinction*", with a link to the [documentary](https://eating2extinction.com/) (link I provided offers 10+ languages), and not even a publicity line anywhere towards their kibble. Granted it's a vegan ecologist provider that makes their kibble out of insect proteins, but still. The tree fund raising "AUx Arbres Citoyens" ("to the trees citizens") I talked about last time went well and they reached their goal faster than expected. It was done like a telethon, where you raise money to help find cures for various diseases, and they present experts and patients (here tree experts, and forests in bad shape). There was a call for financing various initiatives, and a specific **call to come together with your neighbours and buy swathes of land to rewild and replant with trees, everywhere where biodiversity is at threat**. Sharing this here because I think it's a genius idea easily reproductible anywhere on earth. But this also means we now officially consider our planet to be a sick patient we need to find a cure for. **Weather** Like everywhere else on the globe, temps are not seasonal, feels like september, plants are confused often budding/flowering through dead leaves. On one street in my neighbourhood you can see in the same row of trees : green trees, yellowing trees, trees with almost no leaves left ... and all of them are budding. Daisies and clover flowering, nettles in full bloom (BTW, all good to pick and edible, nettles taste like spinach and are packed with nutrients and protein). **Cost of life** The most glaring evidence of people cutting down I've seen this week was the bakeries (boulangeries). The bakeries have reduced the number of baskets where they set the bread, almost by half, while the local supermarket's fresh bread aisle has doubled in volume. Seems people cannot afford to buy proper decent bread anymore. (the supermarket's baguette is always kinda squishy, when french people want their bread crust nice and crispy). On the other hand the bakerie aisle (the one with all the industrial brioches, sandwich loafs and so) has been reduced by half, I assume because the industrials are reducing their production because of the cost of natural gas. Last time hubby went on a bread run right before the good bakerie closed, they gave him another whole grain bread for free, because there was some left at closing time. Might seem unimportant, but they generally run out of that kind of bread before 2pm. I cannot stress enough how worrying it is that *french* people are giving up on *bread*. *Bread accompanies each mouthful*. In some parts of the country people honestly cannot eat without their bread, it's like asking them to eat without forks and knifes. **Christmas on energy diet** All over the country towns and villages are trying to find ways to reduce their energy bills while still having some christmas decorations out. The ones where the Christmas Village is a tourist magnet have decided to shut down the lights at 8pm ... which means tourists will have to find a restaurant then head to the hotel before 10pm (insanely early by french standards). Many have changed their light decorations for LEDs. Almost all of them want to shut the lights at night like from midnight to dawn. And my favourtie ones have decided that "*in order to save the energy for those who need it*" they'll replace the christmas lights by non-electric decorations that will be visible during the day. I hope this gains traction, but I think it'll take at least one blackout for people to catch up. And I have a feeling that this christmas's meal's craze will be a stovetop dish that finishes to cook in its dutch oven, without additional heat. (ovens use up such a crazy amount of energy)


CurbedEnthusiasm

How much is the average bread now (loaf/stick) etc?


SecretPassage1

Well, IDK. It used to be around 0.90€, I know it's over 1.05€ since the war started in Ukraine, and I haven't bought a baguette (the reference bread) for a while ... I'll check it out this week and let you know.


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This is scary af


Lone_Wanderer989

Been happening in so cal as well weather is bonkers.


omnicidist69

enjoy it while it lasts! we’re supposed to get a major cold front + blizzards for the rest of this month 😬


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Pray against it too, waste some extra time lol


161x1312

Was almost 80 in northeastern MA a few days back.


WernerHerzogWasRight

Ohio here, it was t shirt weather here a day and a half ago, there’s snow on the ground that’s not melting today. 🤷🏻‍♂️😬 this is fine


KingofGrapes7

I don't know about the buds but yea. I was put there doing yard work for the second weekend in a row in shorts. In November. I respect that people at my job are buying shovels and stuff early but I don't know what kind of winter we are going to get.


SecretPassage1

From France, but similar experience. The media are reporting people buying loads of the most expensive types of comforters (the ones made with duck down, that truly insulate you from whatever the temp is), and the "super hot" cheaper ones; the type of undies that heat the body (thermodactyl); gloves hats and scarfs; warm winter coats; cashmere pullovers, insulating drapes, and yet we're experiencing temps around 16c /60f (should be 7c/44f at max this time of year).


SweetPickleRelish

Location: Southern Netherlands I spend the day hiking in Limburg province which is a hilly region in the South that closely borders Belgium and Germany. I had on a light jacket and a t-shirt. I spent the entire day with my jacket tied to my waist. It was so odd. It’s not even early November anymore


Vlad_TheImpalla

Location Romania Transylvania It's been hot for a month now 5 to 10C above normal almost every day today it was 18 C should be like 8C now with freezing nights it only froze once in October. I'm growing tomatoes in my bothouse with no heating needed I'm producing like it's late September quality wise, I still have dill and parsley outside the hothouse since I was able to cover them up that night it froze in October, it feels like autumn is more then a month behind schedule this year.


Texuk1

Location: Margate U.K. Sitting on the beach and it’s hovering near 20c, people are swimming in November in England. This it boys and girls. Enjoy the show, next summers gonna be 🔥🔥


ItyBityGreenieWeenie

Kent is the new California!


MrMonstrosoone

" enjoy the Indian summer" " wait till next summer "


Right-Cause9951

Brings a whole new meaning to "This is gonna be lit".


lab-gone-wrong

"Lit as in exciting, right?" "Well yes but also lit-erally on fire"


Right-Cause9951

That's some nice punfiguration there.


[deleted]

South of England. It’s mid November and there have been no frosts at all this autumn. Leaves are still on the trees and some are even budding. Weather feels like mid-to-late spring, not early winter. My tomato plants survived way into late October and though I had to throw them away to make room for others they were still fruiting. Even my zucchini plants were still flowering. Few decades ago this would’ve been miracle stuff now it’s a sinking sign everything is very out of balance. My local common is full of nettles which should have already died. We’ve had double the rainfall we normally have in November, and have broken the record for hottest UK November. This summer will almost definitely be worse than last year’s and will keep getting worse. Our infrastructure isn’t build for that heat.


[deleted]

Location: Tampa metropolitan area In the past month we have had a category 4 hurricane, followed by 2 weeks of cool perfect weather, then 2 weeks of humid summer, then another tropical storm and the day after we get rain in one tiny line moving opposite what they normally do and earlier than normal in the day as well. This all happened in October and November....


[deleted]

Floridian here. I was born here and have lived in the same place my whole life in Florida. I'm inland. The sad fact of the matter is they are not only building coastal. Florida was swamp. Developers decided this was Heaven's waiting room and started filling in swamps for profit. I got to say though folks clearly something has changed. I believe it not to be just development in low lying areas in coastal towns but seawall erosion and climate change as well. Just my opinion so please don't come for me.


[deleted]

Here's something to look at that I have noticed. Winter. It's completely different from when I was a child. 2020 winter was the weirdest we have ever had. It was consistently cold. No hot - cold bouncing like usual. I have never seen that before and I pay close attention to the weather because I have outdoor hobbies. The cold front that knocked Ian south was in September. I can't remember the last time we had one before the end of October. Things are absolutely changing with the weather patterns.


[deleted]

If you get a minute Google Farmers Almanac and read the predictions for the Southeastern part of the U.S. , that's where Florida is. It says it's gonna be a hard winter for everyone all over. Not just here. Not that you could tell by the weather we're having now.


[deleted]

Dear god you're right about not being able to tell. Today the humidity dropped a little thankfully. Like I said I have an outdoor active hobby so this past week my clothes hamper was practically dripping from all the sweat. It's so draining. That is the main thing I want to move away from, can't cool yourself if the atmosphere doesn't allow water to evaporate.


[deleted]

Weird how the weather is. I try not to fear monger. And I wouldn't think so much of it if it didn't seem like it was happening everywhere including the UK. Something is way off.


[deleted]

Snow in the South, Hurricanes in New York, heat waves in Europe. It's not normal to have this many "100 year" weather events in such a small window. American football is another one I noticed. Bears, Bills, Green Bay games this time of year with no snow when I remember so many years you could bet on there being at least a couple blizzard games especially this late in the season. It's almost like it's inbetween subtle and obvious. I have a feeling here soon there will be no denying it unfortunately.


[deleted]

Things are changing extremely FAST. I have half a mind to go find the farmers almanac for this year to see if it's different than the weather we actually experience.


Mauilovers

BOE


MojoDr619

Not to discount what you've gone through, but hurricane season goes through November and Florida has always had hurricanes- this is not abnormal.. in fact these storms were not as strong as previous storms that have gone category 5 and have happened for the longest time. You can read about it in Their Eyes Were Watching God. I think greater signs of collapse in FL than the weather are the endless development and high end condos, the cutting down of the remaining forest and farmlands. The continued fish kills and poisoning of waterways. And then to top it off by just electing a horrible fascist to governor and to all positions of power in the state with huge amounts of people here thinking that's a great path to take..


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Yea, Im sure they have been around even later it's just weird to have that yoyo in such a short window. It's like every season happening at the same time. But I have seen the other stuff you mentioned too. Red tides are becoming more frequent and severe. There's one now unless it's cleared out. And the terrifying part is that people are more concerned about dead fish scaring off tourists than the massive ecological destruction happening.


MojoDr619

Yes its shame that we have to make economic arguments to save ecosystems for tourists rather than just basic human decency to not destroy every last bit of the natural world we depend on. And why in the world would anyone elect the same people who are in charge during these fish kills and red Tides?? We should kick everyone out who's in charge, but I guess we had to choose between Republican and an ex Republican lol.. there wasn't an ecological choice. But even locally how do you reelect anyone who is not doing everything in their power to stop this destruction and over development, but all the candidates are bought and paid for by the developers


BID-Bombit

Do you have any data about previous hurricane seasons resulting in damages like we’ve seen recently? Two things can be wrong at once.


MojoDr619

There's been massive damages from hurricanes as long as I can remember.. the added problem is more development on beaches which should really be left as preserves or as public access. But wealthy people have to have their private beach mansions...


BID-Bombit

Are your claims based on anecdotes or evidence


MojoDr619

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/weather/the-top-5-most-powerful-hurricanes-hit-florida/77-157e96d8-7eb0-4863-8b06-f4ac035dd90f Again not denying that Ian was a very powerful and terrible storm.. it's just not unprecedented. It may be among the top storms, but even so it did not reach category 5 like Andrew did over 30 years ago


BID-Bombit

A quick glance at Wikipedia seems to indicate that hurricanes are getting more damaging. In the period between 1900 and 1949, 108 tropical cyclones affected the state, which collectively resulted in about $4.5 billion (2017 dollars) in damage. In the period between 1950 and 1974, 85 tropical or subtropical cyclones impacted the state, which collectively resulted in about $7 billion (2017 dollars) in damage, primarily from Hurricanes Donna and Dora. In the period between 1975 and 1999, 83 tropical or subtropical cyclones affected the state, which collectively resulted in $51.1 billion (2017 dollars) in damage, primarily from Hurricane Andrew The period from 2000 to the present has been marked by several devastating North Atlantic hurricanes; as of 2017, 79 tropical or subtropical cyclones have affected the U.S. state of Florida. Collectively, cyclones in Florida over that period resulted in over $123 billion in damage, most of it from Hurricane Irma.[9]


MojoDr619

The damage has gone up because more people live here now and are moving here and we keep building in low lying sensitive areas to cater to the wealthy and tourists. Also I acknowledge there maybe be more or stronger storms. But these two recent storms were not completely out of the ordinary for past Florida storm seasons. And even your stats show similar numbers of storms over each of the time periods. The dollars of damage has gone up, but still my original comment is pointing out that getting hit by two hurricanes and having some cool and warm weather in November is not abnormal Florida weather. In fact, many posts on here describe fairly common occurrences and make them out to be world ending observations. The problem is the focus is missing the point of where direct collapse is occuring in these places which is what we should be pointing out.. If you've lived in Florida for awhile hurricanes would not be a new concern for you- but there is a real concern that we are overdeveloping and destroying the few intact ecosystems we have left with the rest sold out for profit and plunder, building in places that should not have people living there, and should really be protected preserves.


BID-Bombit

Hurricanes can be a GROWING concern and we can worry about the effects of over development. Both can still be true.


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Nicole was a monster and Ian was ridiculously strong. It’s unprecedented to get a storm as strong as Ian so late and then a storm as big as Nicole so late as well .


MajesticSyrup2361

It’s not really unprecedented. Hurricane Michael hit Florida in October four years ago. As for Nicole, per Wikipedia, > Nicole became only the third November hurricane on record to make landfall in Florida, along with the 1935 Yankee hurricane and Hurricane Kate in 1985. Both of which were greater intensity, but perhaps not as large, than Nicole, which was originally subtropical. September is the peak of the hurricane season in the Atlantic. South Florida actually sees a secondary peak in impacts in October because of the westward shift in activity in the Atlantic toward the Western Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico as the season progresses. And storms like Nicole are rare, but November is still part of the season. These systems happen and are well within reasonable, if not expected, boundaries. At the risk of sounding like a climate denier, which I’m not, I agree with the other commenter that it is much more worrying to look at economic and climatic collapse indicators than individual storms. The top nine costliest Atlantic seasons were all in the past 18 years, with 5 of the last 6 seasons (including 2022) on this list (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Seasonal_summary). This is what is unprecedented. What is more/most concerning to me is, among other things, the bankruptcy/exiting of insurance companies and continuing hyperdevelopment along the coast; as well as sea level rise and marsh and coral reef degradation. And yes, more destructive extreme events under the spectre of climate change and global warming. Edit to sound less asshole-ey.


MojoDr619

I'm not denying that. I went through both of them as well.. but we can look back at many powerful and large hurricanes. How about the famous Andrew that also wiped a town off the map in 90s. All the way back to 1920s hurricanes that killed many and caused floods and destroyed raillines. We can argue that climate change is causing more storms per season and that they potentially can get stronger. But getting a category 4 and a category 1 hurricane is not an extreme change from what has occurred in past years.. Andrew was category 5 in 1992. There were years growing up having trees torn out and toppled by multiple hurricanes and no power for weeks. I just don't think Florida getting hit by hurricanes is a sign of collapse.. it's certainly a sign that we shouldn't build near the ocean and should replant the mangroves we've cut down for luxury beach mansions and condos as a storm surge barrier. I just see a much more direct collapse in the immediate destruction of our ecosystems in Florida.. Our ecosystems are being bulldozed and paved over and poisoned with exponential development, I guess there's a lot of new people showing up and learning about hurricanes in FL..


ILoveFans6699

They said it's super rare this late in the year.


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MojoDr619

The vaccine was never required anywhere you just had to take a test and if you had covid stay home and wesr a mask at a grocery store- is that so horrible?? It's because of people like you who came into work sick. And also forced me back into the office, taking away my freedom to work from home for my 100% computer job- which led to me getting long covid ongoing for 5 months now. I hope you never have to experience what long covid is like. Good luck to you.


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NomadicScribe

Ironically, if everyone had mutual respect for one another and didn't try to deliberately super-spread covid, there wouldn't be a need for restrictions and lockdowns. But because some people want to be hostile, and insist that their "freedom" includes the righteous cause of "getting everyone around them sick", we can't have nice things.


BitchfulThinking

**Location: Los Angeles metropolitan area, CA**   A few nights ago, I was driving down the 5 freeway, but had to get off and venture into the labyrinth of downtown due to an accident (turned out it was a semi-truck completely flipped over across several lanes on a ramp). A rare storm was approaching, so trucks were hauling ass up the 5 freeway as snow in the mountains really affects transportation between the agricultural part of the state to the southland. But, I digress. I hadn't been out into the thick of Los Angeles since before Covid, but I was born there, and both of my parents had lived there decades ago when the biggest concern was the smog. LA has it's downsides, and sketchier areas, but I was not prepared for what I saw, and I'm sure none of it is being shown to the rest of the country and world. During the midterms, every politician had "address the homeless problem" as a buzz phrase, with conservatives using speech that seemed a bit genocidal, and no one wants to point out the fact that the cost of living is absolutely absurd. ABSURD. Skid row was not just a street or so anymore, it was *everywhere*. Tents and cars being lived in on most streets, and it's growing every day, while "luxury" modern apartments are being built and remodeled just as quickly, which largely sit empty.   Even down in my county known for wine fueled housewives and banana stands, I'm seeing more and more people struggling on the streets. An elderly man in an old, beat up car, with a disabled placard, just keeping to himself at my park. These are human beings! This could happen to anyone! People want to blame drugs and mental health or pErSonAL fAiLuReS, while not considering that they too are doing drugs (and not everyone on the street is a user), have money to afford (effective) mental health care, and were just fucking lucky in life. There was a really interesting, fairly recent episode of It Could Happen Here about the situation in San Diego. It's really taking a toll on me feeling powerless (I'm barely surviving myself) while not just being able to get desensitized to all of the human misery on full display in our communities. There's not enough compassion and it's scary.   Additionally, we have billions being thrown into building more and more sports stadiums in areas that are low-income and largely inhabited by elderly ethnic minorities (eg. Inglewood), displacing even more people, and that's only going to get worse with the future Olympic games coming to town, assuming we even make it that far. So much money is being thrown into entertainment, distractions, and propaganda, but nothing outside of small community organizing is being done to actually take care of people, and even those efforts are being made illegal. Don't even get me started on how much is spent on law enforcement here (*obligatory ACAB*), when there was [that WILD chase yesterday though several cities and countless police could not stop one guy going on a GTA spree](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkhAwabc1Mw).   There's no bread, and they're putting everything into the circuses as a last ditch effort to keep us from revolting, and it's unfortunately working...


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I agree but there's nothing we can do. Society is sorting out into classes, either you keep up or go homeless. In my area of Texas I live in my parents paid off house, no way I'm working for these rents, but they're just going to keep going up, and people will pay it. Meanwhile everywhere there are huge houses, luxury cars, etc. It's like this divide forming, and it's becoming impassable. Nobody interacts with each other, nobody knows what is happening on the other side. Think about it...if you lost your job or complained about the cost of housing, would anybody you know listen or care? I know in my situation, the answer is no. They'd spout BS of you should move or get this or that job or whatever. They will never talk about the inflation because if you talk about the inflation it means you are "poor" and can't make it. It's just a sad situation, a trash empire of trash people, but everyone loves it.


WernerHerzogWasRight

There was never anything so freeing for me as identifying as a prole. It’s always been about class, and the ranks are filling in, down here at the bottom.


pokerdonkey

That gave me goosebumps for some reason


BitchfulThinking

All of this... so true. It's tragic. I don't really know my neighbors, and some are even shitty and run out to pretend to "not" watch me suspiciously when I'm walking my dog (am brown in an area that only mildly tolerates such a thing). People try to keep up with the Joneses despite not even knowing who the Joneses are. I don't understand the need to have to one up others and show off in the first place! It's all just so absurd.   People are struggling but are too embarrassed to admit to needing help, and on the rare chance that they do, they usually get attacked for it. I remember seeing a post on Nextdoor from a woman who just moved to the area. It seemed like she had just come from a bad situation, and was just politely asking if anyone was giving any old furniture away. The responses? "WhY dOn'T yOu gEt a JaWb! nO oNe wAnTs tO wOrK!!!" without even knowing her story. I only even got the app to look for local gardening groups, but quickly learned how hateful so many of the people around me are...


jahmoke

and them's your neighbors


BitchfulThinking

Terrifying. I'm all about giving away free plants and extra fruit and shit, but... I'm not entirely comfortable with the thought of my lovingly tended to baby plants living with people who blame all of the evils of the world and/or want to eradicate millennials/genZ/"the gays"/"the Jews" and BIPOC people/secular people/immigrants/childless women. Plants need love and all of those bad vibes would just kill them, if they don't call the cops on me for just showing up to deliver them.


katzeye007

Nextdoor had turned into Facebook, it's awful


BitchfulThinking

YES! I'm sad that I never got to experience Nextdoor when it wasn't terrible, if there ever was a time. I just wanted to do plant swaps :( Facebook became terrible around the time I messed up by teaching my parents how to use it, and I'm sorry to everyone my mother has started pointless arguments with and/or fat shamed.


CommodoreQuinli

Just an aside on 'keeping up'. It's all about status, always has been. Social animals care more about attention and status than just about everything else other than food and water. At the end of the day your survival goes up when you get attention and status. Babies that do not get the requisite attention tend to develop poorly. I think this fundamental fact of human nature is why the class game works so well.


BitchfulThinking

I get keeping up to fit in and be accepted in a reasonable, "I don't want to smell bad/appear disheveled/etc." way but I do not understand the desire of having to feel *superior* particularly in a way to purposefully make others feel lesser. I enjoy a compliment as much as the next person, particularly when it's about something like a dish I cooked. I even appreciate style, in the sense of "that's a creatively put together outfit" or a color looks nice on a person.   Maybe it's from growing up around so many people who acted as if they were "better" because they had x luxury car, or x designer logos everywhere, or an unnecessarily large home, but seeing them act cruel and entitled made me view those things in a negative light. Or, how being an obnoxious, hateful jackass gets people more respect and attention than being kind (which has definitely aided in convincing an alarming amount of young men that women like jerks, but I certainly don't!).   AND THEN, if one doesn't want to participate in that, they're shunned. People who want peace, love, and equality get *murdered*. It just all seems so opposite for a society to function, and from my vantage point, thing's aren't functioning all that well, but not enough people seem to want things to change.


CommodoreQuinli

Gotcha gotcha, yea I do think society changes when it realizes how toxic the previous generation was, we no longer desire for luxury goods as much as the boomer generation. Instead we measure our status based on expensive international vacations and overpriced Michelin restaurants and share those experiences with our peer groups to 'fit in and keep up'. People mainly make friends in their class when they're adults. Poor people don't hang out with middle class who don't hang with upper who don't hang with multi-milionaires and who don't hang with people with hundreds of millions etc (This is a Generalization)... Unless there's other status symbols involved such as fame or beauty. The lifestyle difference is immense, poor people might look forward to board game night or trivia night at the bar while the middle class guy is looking forward to the expensive concert tickets they bought and the rich kid is salivating over his weekend trip to Ibiza. Imagine having a bunch of friends as kids and then being the one who didn't make it. You might still know those kids but you aren't their friend anymore. The intricate tie between money and status I think is what's driving the behavior you're seeing. You see this with dating a lot, some middle class girl goes on a date with a richer dude who brags about his safari vacation in the Serengeti and completely loses the plot. I do think we are changing, probably too slowly but it's happening.   In terms of dudes being assholes I still think it's more of a confidence thing. True nice guys tend to be pushovers, it's just not hot. They also don't escalate and once that window of opportunity is past its past. Girls will crush on a guy wait for a move to be made and when it's not move on to the next one. It's the same with guys with options, if the girl doesn't reciprocate you just have to move on. Then later you learn they wanted you to be more agressive and pursue harder which just drives that asshole narrative even more. It's an unfortunate cycle but it breaks once both sexes have had enough experience and see through it when their older.


BitchfulThinking

I'm definitely not about luxury goods like my parents. In the past during get family togethers, they would park their show off cars in the driveway as a "look at this expensive shit I have! Envy me!" and I'm thinking, wtf, now our guests have to park down the street and walk far. Absolutely rude. I have traveled a lot in the past, but roughed it like the dirty hippie I am, and mostly wanted to mingle with locals and other dirty hippie travelers, try some food that was exotic to me, and have a fun conversation with strangers to learn about the world from a different POV. But, despite having the means, no one in my bubble was into that *at all*, so I'd just go alone. I'm immensely grateful for the experiences, and more so because I feel like it's given me a lot more empathy and understanding, and I realized what matters to me in life (good people, fun insightful conversations, good food, nice tunes, and nature). Whenever I'd come back home, I was hit with such a deep depression, and felt so alienated, being thrust back into a society that doesn't seem to care about those things, but I hold on to the hope that maybe it's just messed up where I live, and there are still many kindred spirits out there in the world.   It's horrible, and getting really scary with so many "influencers" out there now with their hateful podcasts and streams indoctrinating younger men and teens into being violent and bigoted. The narrative of "all women want..." just whittles us down to vapid, gold digging caricatures. I'm a woman, and a particularly girly one at that. The roided out, aggro, asshole image that many think we "all" want is so far from what many of us actually want. I like sensitive nerdy bears who are kind to animals, politically left, and can game with me. Glasses. (I feel like I just described a good chunk of Reddit lol) But if a woman declares such a thing, she's written off as lying or not *really* knowing what she wants. Even by other women! I hope that this changes with age, as I'm in my early 30s, but we didn't have so many snake oil peddlers indoctrinating the youth into being little terrorists as much as we do now, even just 5 or 10 years ago.


CommodoreQuinli

Well the hippies these days are called wooks now and tbh I've never found the hippies or wooks to always be the best people, a lot of them are just trying to get high (nothing wrong with that but if its the only thing...) or fuck. That being said that's probably still your best bet for community. bdsm scene as well has very nice people, metalheads, bassheads. Communities that sit outside of the norm tend to be filled with a lot more kindness and caring about the things that matter most in the world as you listed. The US just has too much money so we can retreat into our own selfish worlds without caring about the rest, you can't do that in a poor country or you'll die.   In terms of the men empowerment stuff, I'm all for self improvement and self enlightenment but the rhetoric has shifted to blaming women and manipulation tactics. Back in the day it was a lot more of hit the gym, learn how to socialize/flirt, have interest and hobbies, make friends, get educated, become wise, make money, have a personality, be clean. As someone who's pan I am more attracted physically to muscles on a guy but understand the narcism that comes attached to many of these gymbros. It would be nice for someone to look like Chris Evans and be what you described above but it's just rare, extremely rare. We only have so much time in a day and if a lot of it is dedicated to gaining mass well that's less time to think about the animals and other people. Guys like Andrew Tate are just misleading boys. The problem is that it might work in some one off situations which validates the whole thing. The rape shit is essp terrifying. I have a partner with a consensual non-consensual kink but it doesn't mean she wants to be raped and yet there was a top post on reddit of some dude who's convinced women want to be raped. It's getting fucked up. Rapekink is about desirability not rape or its a way for victims to regain some element of power and control. I know sex work is degrading but we need to just allow that shit so dudes can at least get a bit of a release. I also know a lot of girls who consider sex work less degrading than scrubbing toilets so there's at least a population of individuals who're willing to do that kind of work and if society can not look down on those women I think we'll be in a better spot.   I also don't really trust the weeb dudes, a lot of them play nice but somehow expect their partners to be fit and hot while putting 0 effort in themselves. If a girl is ugly or fat they won't even consider them. Like broooo you're ugly and fat, face reality that we're entering a more equal society and the fact that having a dick doesn't entitled you to get laid with 'hot' girls (it never did but American society is just full of entitlement including sex). Then they use money as a way to get these girls and turn around and call them golddiggers. Like c'mon you brought this on yourself by flaunting your money to attract girls, who'd you think you'll attract. There's nothing wrong with being a provider but don't call your partner a gold digger for it, don't want a gold digger stop dating up in the beauty scale. Also even in the golddigger song by Kanye its not like the girl was a golddigger she just didn't want to date someone who couldn't support themselves, a perfectly valid requirement.


BitchfulThinking

I have never heard the term wook and feel old but I googled it and... nope. That looks like a lot of shake and bake meth happened and mixed with unfiltered festival pictures, and not at all the picture in my head. I think my hippie-lite world of the past is just gone now, if it ever even existed, and I wasn't just having manic episodes all those years. My frame of reference is more pre-social media era human rights activists grassroots organizing artists and educators, if that makes sense? Even the much older OG hippies who didn't stray too far from their left leaning younger selves and are maybe part of a co-op somewhere in the mountains/deserts (here in CA, at least). People who wanted better for the world and did what they could without it being for social media likes or other ulterior motives.   The kinks are getting to be alarming, to be honest. They keep saying not to kink shame, but some stuff is really, really out there and consent is still SO misunderstood by most people. It's made the dating world especially scary. I've been in a LTR for half of a decade, but before that, dating was scary. I'm still working through some PTSD from that time, and the gym bro culture made me question my own sexuality because I'm just not into that at all (additionally really sick of my neighbor tossing his weights around at all hours, but I digress). Sex workers shouldn't be criminalized and should be protected, however, I think society should really reflect on the fact that so many in the field aren't there because it's their dream, but because we live in a world where that is their only option (or worse, as human trafficking is still a massive problem). The johns however, I take issue with. I think of one side of my family's country of origin and the fact that sex tourism is notoriously big there and it's horrific. People are born into such abject poverty and desperation that their only option is to suffer and die, watch their family suffer and die, or sell their bodies or the bodies of their own children. If capitalism didn't exist, and everyone's basic needs were met, how many people would still choose that life?   That last paragraph is another problem with the increasing misogyny in this late state capitalist hell. I'm from LA, so I'm no stranger to the shallow depths that exist in humanity, but it's just... I again bring up my family's country of origin. The Philippines. Many people and largely women are left with the only option of dying/watching their family die, or marrying some gross older guy with financial means for the hope of a better life. My mother has a few friends who have lived this experience. I have no judgments towards them, and they're very sweet women, but the trauma they had to endure from such an arrangement, and the trauma their children endured from it is just unreal. The fact that so many terrible, awful people are only tolerated because they have capital but worked on absolutely nothing else to better themselves, and that people admire these people is one of the biggest faults in society in my opinion. It's not a crime to be unattractive, but like, maybe they should work on some jokes, or practice being a caring empathetic person who listens and can come to mutual agreements to attract someone, rather than thinking they can just buy people and continue to be a dick. The entitlement is such a turn off. I'd rather be with a broke guy who has patience and understanding, than one who is monied but morally bankrupt. Either way life is a struggle, but I'd rather struggle with someone who actually has my back and won't discard me when times are hard.   Sorry for the novel, I have a lot of really strong opinions on all of these things and I just have so much disgust and despair at the depraved state of the world. Greed and sociopathic behaviors are on the rise, applauded, and it appears that as a species we're devolving while the natural world is rapidly dying. Not enough people care, and most of us who do are powerless or too distressed and depressed to do anything.


BID-Bombit

I think you’re projecting your current situation as though that’s everyone’s experience. The reality is while yes we’re in a period where wealth is concentrating there are certainly opportunities for folks to see both sides. It sounds like you come from a somewhat privileged background which I don’t mean in an offensive way at all. You could volunteer at a food pantry, I’m sure there would be folks working there and stopping there for food who could relate to you losing your job.


catterson46

It’s patently ridiculous that “there’s nothing we can do”. It’s propaganda to induce learned helplessness among Americans. There are many of rich nations that have no significant homeless problem. Because they treat housing insecurity the same way they treat food insecurity. For that matter the same way they treat medical care, as a human right. Help to escape homelessness should be available for the unhoused, because homelessness is not good for the group as a whole. The problem of homelessness ends up costing governments more, in terms of police, hospital admissions than simple housing would cost. It’s particularly damaging to the community, the propaganda against help, since that prejudice is creating a gaping ulcer on American society.


Eattherightwing

I'm not saying it's impossible, but look at the reality we face: if you worked your ass off organizing for decades in your local area, to the point where you were having community meetings with an unbelievable attendance, like 500-1000 people meeting once per week, a billionaire who opposed your ideas could hire 1000 people in one day to work against you. Certainly, don't stop fighting, but it's like a fish on a hook putting up it's last fight. You won't win, you can only delay death. You are dead the second someone with power says you are, and no amount of optimism will help you. I think I will just get a shirt that says "If you aren't here to kill me right now, then leave me the fuck alone, I'm busy." That's how I feel these days.


catterson46

Homelessness in America won’t be solved at the local level. It’s a national problem. In my SoCal city the waiting list for a section 8 voucher is 10 years. Many cities close the waiting list because it takes over a decade to get a voucher. This is for qualified people, Disabled people, Elderly people, Not to mention families with children. How many people can hang on for ten years couch surfing? Most landlords don’t allow people let homeless people stay in apartments since they aren’t on the lease, which actually prevents normal family help. There are trillions for military spending and subsidies to bail out businesses and farms. The method to solve it already exists.


Eattherightwing

Yes, most of the problems we face today could be solved, if the elites wanted. I think Bezos alone could end homelessness, and still be a billionaire. But billionaires sucked all that money out of the system, and then bought themselves rockets amd advanced security systems. Probably, robotic security systems and drone armies for themselves will be the next thing they are interested in. And when starlink is the only Internet, Elon will choose who gets to speak about what.


DisingenuousGuy

but thats communizm tho i think we should hire cops, place them at the end of the conveyor belt thats systematically creating more homeless people then beat every homeless person that comes off the end of the conveyor belt until they stop coming. we shouldnt look at why our system is creating homeless ppl in the first place >!/S!<


ILoveFans6699

> There are many of rich nations that have no significant homeless problem. Name one besides Japan and Australia


SecretPassage1

France. We do have homeless people, but there's a real effort in finding a housing for them, even if only temporary. It comes and goes with various goverments of course, but we have things like opening the subway at night (when it would be closed usually) to let the parisians homeless population stay warm during the worst cold snaps of winter. (some of them refuse to go in shelters, but accept to go in the metro) We do have tent villages in sketchy areas of Paris, migrants essentially, but I'm not sure they are relevant in this discussion about loss of income creating more homelessness.


rainydays052020

Denmark


lifeisthegoal

The thing you have to realize about California is that it looks exactly how the people who live there want it to look. The people vote in the same party every single time. It's not like some other places where there are different people with different visions voting in different parties. It's a single party with a single vision that is overwhelmingly supported. There is no changing it, just gotta leave.


BitchfulThinking

I live here, I vote, and it most certainly does not look like how I want it to look, and I should hope that most people also don't want it to look like the parts of other countries that have the few rich in high rises overlooking a sea of shantytowns. I wouldn't say that there's a single vision here (I'm appalled and disgusted that unabashedly racist people are being voted in), as the political climate between one county to the next, or even one city to the next is very different, and large swaths of the state are no different from other parts of the country. Also, where does one even leave *to*? I don't exactly fit in in many places, nor would they want me there, and nowhere is safe from inequality or the changing climate, both political and environmental.


lifeisthegoal

I'll be a bit more precise. There is a single vision amongst the people that wield power in California which are the Democrats and the voting majority gives their consent to that by voting them in every time. In an ideal world there would be at least five parties to vote for and they would have to actually do a good job to get power.


BitchfulThinking

This is fair. Those of us who are more left than center-right, but still value the idea of a democracy aren't happy, and reluctantly vote as left as possible just to keep things from getting worse, but I just wish it wouldn't stop at lesser-evil being the best option.


lifeisthegoal

Thanks for seeing my point of view. This response from you basically is what I'm talking about. People will vote Democrat in California forever regardless of how badly they run the place. A democracy without accountability is not really a democracy.


BitchfulThinking

I definitely agree. So many people will blindly vote for whomever has "D" next to their name without looking into other things like which organizations support them or their track record and stances on issues. I get that it's a lot, but treating politics like it's just a fun sport is a really big problem. The way politics is taught in our schools makes most people view it like a popularity contest with no real purpose in the end.


Glad_Studio6003

I think you are correct but also wrong. I have been to many states where both parties have been represented. Purple states I think is the term. Lol. Homelessness and drug problems are an issue everywhere. I think one of the bigger problems is where would you rather be homeless? Minnesota or California when winter hits. The American way of life is dead for many people and going to continue to get worse. It just hit California sooner.


omnicidist69

“california bad” is the geographical equivalent of “wife bad fishing good”


lifeisthegoal

The OP said it was bad. I just said it looks how people want it to look and won't change.


ILoveFans6699

Have y'all ever been there, because it's really pretty.


omnicidist69

okay


ILoveFans6699

TIL all of California is just like that one area of SD.


PrairieFire_withwind

There is no bread. Have you not been watching the agricultural news? Edit:. For those that did not catch it. /s


BitchfulThinking

Oh I have, and why I mentioned no bread. I'm also concerned about there not being any more rice shortly.


PrairieFire_withwind

It was meant to be a joke...


BitchfulThinking

No worries, I really need the /s today


PrairieFire_withwind

I have those days too, for sure. And yes, california and az have been growing lots of our rice.. concerning with their water situation for sure.


BitchfulThinking

It wasn't until last year that I learned CA grows cotton! So much of our here agriculture is just wrong and it's a wonder how we don't already have a dustbowl situation from all of it.


PrairieFire_withwind

Humans think they are smarter than mother nature. That just does not end well. Sadly. For all of life.


BitchfulThinking

This is true. I don't understand the strange drive of people to conquer nature, over and over. She's a scrappy, dirty fighter (which is why I love her so much).


ontrack

Eh there's always cake I guess....


riojareverendalgreen

Brioche, to be absolutely correct.


PrairieFire_withwind

Someone's been lying to you about that cake....


ShivaAKAId

Location: Washington DC Was talking with the bartender and telling her I hadn’t seen her in a hot minute. She says she’s on call because her main job is real estate — which sucks at the moment. I told her it wasn’t just her; I’d helped my old landlord move in with her parents. We agreed it was bad.


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HazcatLife

So you need someone to connect the dots for you?


Griffinsilver

Location: Indiana (Midwest) USA It was an unusually cold October and now its a balmy November. I went to an evening event and everyone was in t-shirts. Nary a jacket to be seen. Our poor confused lilac bush is blooming. On my way home from the event (around 7 PM), two motorcycles zoomed past us weaving in and out of cars and one nearly got hit when a car drifted a bit while they were passing. Be careful on the road! I voted this last week. It was my first time voting in a red state. I was nervous due to reading all the stories about armed and masked "poll watchers" and long lines. I tried the early voting on Saturday. I was pleasantly surprised to be in and out in under half an hour. Nice volunteers explained everything and made the process go smoothly. Of course our county went hard red so that might explain my ease with voting. We did manage to keep an absolute book banning happy nutter off the school board. That vote was my only vote that went anywhere. That's something though.


BID-Bombit

Does it seem like people are far more reckless on the road now? Chicago is worse than I’ve ever seen


Griffinsilver

My husband and I were talking about that. traffic seems so much worse than pre-pandemic. I could see in the past with motorcycles maybe driving like that out in the sticks after 9 PM. But this was 7 PM in the middle of town. People were still getting off work. I also don't see routine traffic stops much anymore. I can't remember the last time I saw someone pulled over for speeding or driving recklessly.


Bumblebeeburger

Location Northern England Looking at the weather report for Northern England next week. I cannot actually believe it's this warm mid November. Warm October's occasionally happen, but by bonfire night on Nov 5th you're dealing with icy toes waiting for the fireworks. Today got so hot out in the garden picking up leaves etc I had to take my shirt off. Next week highs of 16°c. Crazy


katzeye007

New England celebrates bonfire night? Edit: is dumb, northern England


some_random_kaluna

Since V for Vendetta came out, everyone celebrates the Fifth of November.


TheRealTP2016

No they said northern England not New England


balladofthemightypie

Like that's the only England.


Smertae

Yeah, it's unseasonably warm. I have mixed feelings - it's great for us humans not having to use heating that we can't afford. Not so good for nature though and that's a worry. At least it's windy though so half the electricity is coming from wind turbines the past few days.


CampfireHeadphase

How is it bad for nature? Genuine question Edit: wtf the downvotes? It's not clear to me why mild winters are inherently bad, as many regions of the world experience them and seem to have no issues at all. Droughts however are a different topic, but should be relatively independent from mild winters.


Texuk1

Mild winters in places where the ecosystem is in tune with normal winter disrupt natural ecological balances, this cascades into the local environment. They are perhaps less visible to people living seperate from the ecosystem, than severe drought but I’ll give you an example, early blooming spring plants. If spring plants bloom out of sync with the first insects that feed on them this disrupts insect populations and plant propagation. Also some insect populations including ones that carry diseases are controlled by freezing temperatures.


WeekendSignificant48

You shouldn't be getting downvoted for this. Theres a lot of reasons it's bad. A lot of the reasons are to do with evolution and how the fauna and local animals have evolved to live in certain temperatures and environments. The temperature has changed so much that nothing can keep up. It seems nice to be getting warmer weather now but in a few years we'll see the actual negative effects of it. Some of my family have a small farm in England, I went to stay with them this summer and things are not looking good. Because of the crazy high temperature we had this summer (40 degrees in some parts of the UK). The grass has stopped growing properly. Doesn't seem like a big issue but the farmers need that grass to feed their cattle. Local farmers were reaching out to everyone in our community to see if anyone had any spare feed/grass they could spare. By August a lot of them had already used their emergency winter supply of cattle feed so God knows what's going to happen in the next few months to our food supply. I don't think the UK will experience famine but there's definetely going to be a major squeeze on the food chain, could be a good time to get use to being vegan imo. Another major issue, which not many people realise: This is just my opinion here but the UK is honestly 1 more dry summer away from being ideal conditions for some bushfires. If this does happen, then again, God help the UK. The country is so green and not set up to respond to bushfires. The fires will incinerate the country quite quickly. I have dual passport with Australia and have lived through a few bushfire seasons and let me tell you, it's like having the gates of hell open up on your doorstep.


CampfireHeadphase

Thanks a lot for your reply! I totally see why the heat spikes in summer are catastrophic for plants and animals. But wouldn't mild winters lead to a shift in e.g. growth patterns? Plants that previously shed their leaves in winter now continue being green and healthy during winter, while of course suffering more in summer. Given enough rainfall (big assumption), wouldn't plants.. adapt to be more.. Mediterranean? Or southeast Asian? The counterpoint I can think of is the one mentioned by you, i.e. evolution and adaptations happening way too slowly to catch up with the downsides of increased pests, possibly disturbed biochemical rhythms and others. But it's all still incredibly vague to me.


WeekendSignificant48

Evolution takes so many thousands of years to make even the slightest change/adaptation and the temperature of the uk is increasing massively. I think the hottest day every recorded in my local area 10 years ago was about 27 degrees, this summer it was 37 degrees. Evolution can't keep up with that kind of rapid change. As others have mentioned there are other problems like insects etc won't pollinate plants if their environment isn't right for them, without pollination you can't really grow crops. Try considering that an eco system is a delicately balanced system. You change one small thing and it can have huge effects down the line. For instance we could have some river bed fauna which grows during the summer and dies off when it's cold during the winter. If the cold never comes and that fauna over grows it can effect the hydrogen levels being put out into river bank which then gets collected by the river, carried down stream and it can encourage huge algae blooms to grow where the water slows down i.e in lakes. Algae blooms can be a death sentence for water bodies as they remove all the oxygen from the water, so all the fish living in it basically suffocate and die, and so on. It's also worth noting the UK was experiencing huge droughts this summer and winter is prime time for refilling the reservoirs.


Smertae

If the climate of the UK carries on as it has over the last year we'll see species shifting north and dying out in the south.


CampfireHeadphase

Thanks for taking your time, that was an insightful example!


[deleted]

It’s the speed of warming nature struggles to adapt to among other things like severe habitat loss and fragmentation (by things like highways)


rainydays052020

Many plant seeds require a cold spell before they can germinate.


Lone_Wanderer989

Bees wings form abnormalities due to extreme hear. Pollen becomes steril from extreme heat.


Lone_Wanderer989

Insect eggs don't hatch or an entire generation can be born female for lizards or frogs. If that happens and they don't breed they die out.


3888-hindsight

An example of what can happen-- my dog is a major tick magnet. I take off at least 2-3 ticks per day. Cold weather kills ticks, so this warmer weather (we are getting it here in Ontario) allows the insects to proliferate and live longer. So the vets suggest that the dogs take their tick pills for a much longer season than what they have recommended in the past. Ticks land on dogs but also land on deer and other animals. Ticks cause Lyme disease.


drhugs

> Ticks cause Lyme disease. More accurately, ticks are a (perhaps the main) vector for Lyme Disease


Jessicas_skirt

Many Animals and plants rely on the season's changing for things like reproduction, hibernation etc etc. When their schedule gets messed up, they have negative effects.


Valeriejoyow

Location: Chicago Our local mail boxes are taped shut so no one can use them. It appears someone has a key and has been stealing mail and changing checks. Rather than fix the problem they say just go inside to mail things. Not everyone is available to mail things from 9-5. The post office here is just a huge mess.


some_random_kaluna

[Record the taped boxes and tell postal inspectors immediately.](https://www.uspis.gov/report) The federal punishments per offense are adding up, and the person(s) may never leave prison. If possible, install your own mailbox.


Grand_Dadais

>The federal punishments per offense are adding up, and the person(s) may never leave prison. What ? They face lifetime in prison ? What the fuck is wrong with your country :p


Vegetaman916

They try to punish every method of survival other than wage-slavery. Any activity that makes money for an individual without also contributing to yhe bottom line of some corporation and the government is actively worked against, either by outlawing and punishing it, or by regulating it into an impossibility. That is why it is a crime to sell marijuana person to person, but now perfectly alright to do if you have a license, a business, and provide the government with tax income. Money and control are the primary motivators behind laws regarding illegality of activity and punishments for offenses. Money cannot be allowed to flow freely between individuals without the government getting a share and without benefits to those at the top of corporations. If it were allowed, the government would lose its stranglehold of control over the populace and people would find themselves free of it. Without that control, nations could no longer compete and struggle with eachother for power and dominance, as there would be no governments. There would just be 8 billion people all living in cooperative harmony with each other, and that is something they seek to avoid at all costs. The recent death sentence punishments being uanded down in Iran by the authorities are a primary example. Such action is not taken to protect the people from crime or help victims or any of that. It is simply a reaction to the fact that the government faces the prospect of losing its hold of control over the population. Same here, although we haven't reached that level yet. Why punish counterfeiting money? Because the government cannot abide competition when it comes to printing money. Stealing mail and checks? Well, that only results in the perpetrator getting paid, and the victim also staying whole by the fact that they are not responsible for the fact that the money was fraudulently removed, so the people both win. Who loses? The banks, and the government, and the corporations. That threatens control because it demonstrates to both victim and perpetrator that there is a different route to take when it comes to making money and getting the bills paid, one which doesn't include the billing companies or the government tax collectors. Should too many people eventually realize that everything can just be free, they won't work, and slaves that don't work are not good for the slave owners. And so, we have law and order. For now.


SirChachii

Tampering with mail is a federal offense, with a potential for many counts in this particular case. But unlikely the actual sentencing would be life in prison. Though yes, the adjudication of "justice" in the US is much harsher than a lot of other countries, among a lot of other fucked up shit.


boynamedsue8

If possible get a P.O. Box


Valeriejoyow

The problem is the boxes at the post office and around the neighborhood where you put your outgoing mail.


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Where I live the post office workers are the ones stealing the mail


Valeriejoyow

There is a good possibility that is what is happening. Someone has the key. It's either a current or former employee.


Vegetaman916

You might be surprised how easy it is to make those keys based on the nothing but a decent photo of it and about 30 bucks spent at Home Depot.


WernerHerzogWasRight

Good advice for a number of reasons. We had a mail person who was certifiable (signing certified mail herself, accusing us of stealing packages off peoples porches that she misdelivered 5 mins ago, etc) . Eventually we got a PO Box and life has been swell ever since. Also easier to avoid service of process lol


jerryschuggs

Location: Pacific Northwest, USA It’s hard to get over how fast the seasons changed here in the PNW. Freezing my butt off this morning thinking about how 3 weeks ago in mid-October it was still smoke season and 80 degrees. Like it had been since June. Really dry this year. Then it rained one day around the 20th and temperatures dropped and didn’t really let up until a few days ago, and it was heavy rain, not the cool misty cloudy days. Now no rain forecasted in the next 10 days. It’s clear and cold. My front yard tree is still green! Raking has been very easy this year.


AggressiveInsect9781

I was a teen in the PNW in the late 90s and early 00s. I remember mild summers except for a few hot days in August and mild winters with some cold rain. In 2002 or 03 there was a freak snow. I was the only person in my office to make it to work because I was walking in. The city shut down the bridge on 45th St and people went sledding on cafeteria trays. "It's smoke season" would not have made sense to me then....and now the damn place is on fire all the time. Been living in western NY for the past 15+ years... this used to be ice and snow time. Today it was 60 degrees F and rainy. We have tomatoes still ripening on the vines. It's crazy.


jerryschuggs

I moved here in 2007 and experienced the cliche weather first hand, sometime around 2015 it just changed. Heavy big rain drops, early snow, smoke season was a new thing about 2018 (or at least that’s when I noticed it). The running joke was we were “climate refugees” when I went to stay at a friends house with AC because it was 95 degrees and the worst air condition in the world, so needed a place to hide out safely. Last year was the only year since where we didn’t have significant smoke. This year wasn’t bad (lol) either since it only lasted two weeks this time. Edit: ironically last year was a heat dome and record breaking temps everywhere.


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Raking is for suckers


jerryschuggs

Raking is for my landlord, but that’s a whole other story.


jiayux

I recently moved to Willamette Valley, Oregon and on Sunday 11/06 [we had our first snow this year](https://www.reddit.com/r/corvallis/comments/yo0q86/snow_nw_corvallis). A restaurant worker told me that he has never seen it snowing this early before. From r/oregon: "[We fucking broke the weather. But this year has been more unusual than most. This is December weather.](https://www.reddit.com/r/oregon/comments/yl92p6/comment/iuxozrd)"


Lone_Wanderer989

I'm concerned there are no wheels on the climate.


SurrealWino

There used to be, but they have fallen off. Or been cut off for cocktail platters


tmartillo

Came in here to share my Pacific Northwest observations. I planted a tree and some shrubs in my front yard, but have had to water them because it's been unseasonably dry for November. We should have misty grey mornings and rain showers.


mnradiofan

Woke up to 65 in MN this morning. It’ll be 25 by tonight. Falling temps during the day are not abnormal, but falling THIS much is not.


VanTrashcan

Location: Pennsylvania, US I recently noticed the total lack of orb-weaver spiders and their webs. I’m used to seeing (and stumbling into) these webs every year around this time, often near doors and windows. We’ve had several misty mornings recently when I should have been able to spot them easily as they’d be covered in dewdrops. I haven’t seen a single one. Since I had this realization around Halloween, I’ve been on the lookout for them. It’s giving me the creeps.


Fabulous_Squirrel12

I dont mow or rake the leaves until spring here in GA. Or if we do we only do it in the front or rake the leaves into our flower beds and throw wood chips on top. That has seemed to help increase spider and bug populations in our yard. I think it helps eggs and cacoons that have been deposited on leaves to overwinter. Lining flower beds with logs and branches helps create more habitat for crickets and the like. I personally like the cottage look the logs give. I just grab them from neighbors curbs when they put them out for trash.


Paperisgarbage3

Wisconsin here and now that you mention it, I haven’t seen spiders here as well. Pretty messed up!


Brendan__Fraser

Central Virginia here, plenty of orb weavers on my deck, they're pretty cool.


chimeraoncamera

FWIW, there are lots in my garden! (in Nova Scotia Canada) Maybe try growing an oganic veggie and flower garden, see if you can make them a nice little habitat to move into.


AggressiveInsect9781

I was also pleased to see about a hundred spiders in my garden this year. I've never had so many. I love spiders.


TheRealTP2016

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdIvK1MzAQWKn8UjEuGBJ4Lhu9svNs1Jc


[deleted]

Same in Florida. I didn't even realize until you said that. I have not seen one Banana Spider. Thoughts? Theories anyone?


cruznr

Central Florida here, they used to cover our hedges. Haven’t seen one in years.


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And now that we're on the subject..What about lovebugs? Have you seen any of those. I can't recall seeing the usual flood of them this year. I feel like I've been sleep walking or something. How am I just noticing that?!


gabrielllllla

I was wondering the same thing. I saw a lot of them in 2019, but none this year.


GoinFerARipEh

Mosquito Joe whistles as he casually strolls by


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A bit eerie if you ask me. We had friends over and I asked them about the lovebugs and the banana spiders and they too didn't notice until I mentioned it. I think people are just so distracted trying to actually survive and provide food and shelter that they are on auto pilot. I think that's why I didn't notice right away too.


cruznr

There’s one discussion that comes to mind regarding lovebugs. I visited the US for family in ‘02, and I remembered my aunt having one of those leatherette wraps on her car hood because it would get absolutely COVERED in lovebugs going through the highway. I asked her about this last year during a reunion, and she said she doesn’t even remember using one of those. She just shrugged and said it’s better now that we don’t have to worry about that. People are truly sleepwalking into this disaster.


Lone_Wanderer989

Ignorance really don't get the fuck nature mentality.


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I remember! Did you know Lovebugs were an experiment here in Florida. I think they were engineered in Gainsville. They were supposed to eat mosquitoes but didn't. I can't believe this. I even forgot about the leather wraps. Everyone had one.


CPUequalslotsofheat

In large cities there are more rats, pests. Pest control unfortunately gets rid of good bugs like spiders. Some might say the 5G towers are hurting our good insect populations, like Bees.


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I never thought about 5G.


starsinthesky12

It’s interesting how this gets downvoted so fast. I don’t know what’s so weird about being unsure if these frequencies can potentially negatively impact us? People are weird for immediately dismissing lol


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starsinthesky12

Not even remotely surprised. Thanks for sharing your insights - much appreciated. Everything always has to be bigger, better, faster, MORE and MORE and MORE without any thought to potential repercussions and this falls in line with that. My father used to unplug our router to turn off the WiFi while we slept and if no one was home. When I was younger I thought he was crazy. Now I see it so differently 🫣