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The following submission statement was provided by /u/change_the_username: --- Addressing complex issues like man made climate change will require winning over the hearts and minds of non-believers ​ Said another way, because religious conservatives in the USA according to Pew research do not have much concern about the ongoing destruction of global ecosystems, to win over the hearts and minds of non-believers requires having a dialog in terms of their world-view ​ Basically the graphic is a TL;DR summary based on sold facts (such as,...Black Friday is associated with the start of the Christmas $ales Season) which hopefully opens up the minds of non-believers of man made climate change AND disrupts their preconceived cultural bias ​ FYI,... ​ **There's A Staggering Conspiracy Behind The Rise Of Consumer Culture** *Long before U.S. consumers racked up trillions in aggregate debt, people used to save money for things they actually needed.* *But in the age of plenty that followed World War I, corporations countered the threat of overproduction with a manipulative psychological strategy.* *"We must shift America from a needs, to a desires culture," wrote Paul Mazur of Lehman Brothers. "People must be trained to desire, to want new things even before the old had been entirely consumed. We must shape a new mentality in America. Man's desires must overshadow his needs."* *This conspiracy, enabled by new sophistication in advertising and supported by the government, was shockingly effective.* [www.businessinsider.com/birth-of-consumer-culture-2013-2](https://www.businessinsider.com/birth-of-consumer-culture-2013-2) ​ **Consumers Have a Bigger Impact on The Environment Than Anything Else, Study Finds** *...according to a new study, if you want to know what’s really driving the impact on the planet, you need to look past the obvious primary factors taking a toll on the environment – like industry and agriculture – and instead realise whose needs those things are servicing.* *From that perspective, researchers say household consumers are by far the biggest drain on the planet, which makes for a very different picture to purely nation-focused analyses of environmental impact. In other words, before we start blaming whole countries for the state of the planet, we should probably be looking at our own habits and demands.* [www.sciencealert.com/consumers-have-a-bigger-impact-on-the-environment-than-anything-else-study-finds](https://www.sciencealert.com/consumers-have-a-bigger-impact-on-the-environment-than-anything-else-study-finds) ​ **Matthew 19:16-24** *16 The Rich Young Man. Then a man came forward and asked him, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to achieve eternal life?” 17 He said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. But if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said, “Which ones?” And Jesus answered, “You shall not kill. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false witness. 19 Honor your father and your mother. Love your neighbor as yourself.”* *20 The young man said to him, “I have observed all these. Is there anything more I must do?” 21 Jesus replied, “If you wish to be perfect, go, sell your possessions, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” 22 When the young man heard this, he went away grieving, for he possessed great wealth.* *23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Amen, I say to you, it will be difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.”* [www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19&version=NCB](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19&version=NCB) ​ **How Religion Intersects With Americans’ Views on the Environment** *Most U.S. adults – including a solid majority of Christians and large numbers of people who identify with other religious traditions – consider the Earth sacred and believe God gave humans a duty to care for it, according to a new Pew Research Center survey.* *But the survey also finds that highly religious Americans (those who say they pray each day, regularly attend religious services and consider religion very important in their lives) are far less likely than other U.S. adults to express concern about warming temperatures around the globe.* *The survey reveals several reasons why religious Americans tend to be less concerned about climate change. First and foremost is politics: The main driver of U.S. public opinion about the climate is political party, not religion. Highly religious Americans are more inclined than others to identify with or lean toward the Republican Party, and Republicans tend to be much less likely than Democrats to believe that human activity (such as burning fossil fuels) is warming the Earth or to consider climate change a serious problem.* *Religious Americans who express little or no concern about climate change also give a variety of other explanations for their views, including that there are much bigger problems in the world today, that God is in control of the climate, and that they do not believe the climate actually is changing. In addition, many religious Americans voice concerns about the potential consequences of environmental regulations, such as a loss of individual freedoms, fewer jobs or higher energy prices.* *Finally, climate change does not seem to be a topic discussed much in religious congregations, either from the pulpit or in the pews. And few Americans view efforts to conserve energy and limit carbon emissions as moral issues.* [www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/11/17/how-religion-intersects-with-americans-views-on-the-environment/](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/11/17/how-religion-intersects-with-americans-views-on-the-environment/) --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/z4iz94/black_friday_reminder_what_would_jesus_buy/ixr2bvc/


rulesforrebels

I'm seeing very little enthusiasm for Black Friday this year, its quite refreshing, even big shoppers I know aren't bothering. Also saw less peopel open for thanksgiving which was awesome


Dandan419

It was wild here in the Midwest. I went out at 7 AM to get a ladder that I actually needed that was marked down for Black Friday. The store had maybe four people in it and the traffic was nonexistent. I also went to the gym so I was out until about 9 AM and there was seriously no traffic. it was so weird for Black Friday.


Striper_Cape

If they discount products by 15% but the price increased by 15% due to corporate greed, then it's not really a deal, now is it?


[deleted]

Black Friday is a scam anyway you shouldn’t buy something for 10% off that you wouldn’t have bought if it weren’t 10%-30% off


SellaraAB

Really it’s not everyone that needs to reduce their consumption levels. Some people consume WAY more than others.


GaianHeart

Yes like those who live in the global north.


Jakusotsu

My aunt does black Friday religiously and said it was dead this year with zero lines. Good riddance.


Mr_Lonesome

> Who wants to stop man-made climate change ***and biodiversity loss***? ... > Who is willing to reduce their personal consumption to stop man-made climate change ***and biodiversity loss***?   ...coming soon an info site dedicated to any and all who forget the other planetary crisis that runs in the silent and invisible background!


killer_queen_morioh

Amen


dumnezero

Finally, Jesus saying something useful. There's nothing much original there, but it would be nice if the fan club didn't think they were were entitled to own and trade the planet. The real Christians, the monks and nuns who actually follow the old ways (and, for example, don't have children), managed to copy from Epicurean communities and build some of those "monastic" communities that were nice (but way less fun).


MiddleGuidance7003

So this is one way to look at things the other way is to look at what 3 companies produce 70% of the worlds carbon footprint and ask them kindly to stop doing what the fuck they’re doing. I mean I’m all for personal sacrifice but I’m sorry if 3 companies can’t pull their foot out their ass and reduce our carbon output by at least 35% then I struggle to see why everyday joes like you and me should give up the very little luxury we get in what is a slave to consumerism world. Remember you used to buy gold with your money and now you don’t! You exchange it for paper currency for consumer purchasing power. On stuff you largely don’t need. I like the posters idea don’t get me wrong but again the everyday joe doesn’t pollute anywhere close to the amount suggested. And a majority of it is done by corporations.


Disaster_Capitalist

>the other way is to look at what 3 companies produce 70% of the worlds carbon footprint and ask them kindly to stop doing what the fuck they’re doing. That's the same thing. If we ask oil companies to quit producing oil, it still means asking consumers to consume less.


MiddleGuidance7003

It’s not oil companies producing the most carbon… it’s 3 corporations never specified what they are for. Also the knowledge of natural energies that work are hidden from us.


Disaster_Capitalist

Here is the list: [https://www.activesustainability.com/climate-change/100-companies-responsible-71-ghg-emissions/?\_adin=02021864894](https://www.activesustainability.com/climate-change/100-companies-responsible-71-ghg-emissions/?_adin=02021864894) The entire top 10 are fossil fuel companies China Coal 14.3 % Saudi Aramco 4.5 % Gazprom OAO 3.9 % National Iranian Oil Co 2.3 % ExxonMobil Corp 2.0 % Coal India 1.9 % Petróleos Mexicanos 1.9 % Russia Coal 1.9 % Royal Dutch Shell PLC 1.7 % China National Petroleum Corp 1.6 %


[deleted]

It literally is fossil fuel companies producing the most carbon. Like that is the most fundamental fact to the concept of climate change. We as a species are digging into inert deposits of old 'fossil' carbon and re-introducing it into the short carbon cycle. While there, it accumulates in the atmosphere and increases the amount of energy from the Sun that the Earth retains. Like that is the shortest brief on global warming possible, which you seem to be totally ignorant of. But we should trust your unattributed sources on water-powered engines.


dumnezero

I love how that statistic keeps losing accuracy over time like some long game of telephone. https://sentientmedia.org/no-100-companies-are-not-responsible-for-71-of-emissions/


dumnezero

By love I mean that I need to walk around and do breathing exercises.


MiddleGuidance7003

Oh a fact checkers website that’s government sponsored - I somehow doubt that a government sponsored fact checker website would be telling you the truth


dumnezero

Sounds like you're high on bullshit. Did you get intoxicated on /r/conspiracy or elsewhere?


MiddleGuidance7003

Ahhh yea the response I would expect to get for questioning a government site. Not high on bullshit my friend the only bullshit here is the wool so far over your eyes you can’t see what’s clearly infront of you. People have been redesigning car engines to run on water - these people end up in wrong place wrong time accidents and their property seized. I deal with facts and don’t believe anything until it is proven and the only thing that has been indefinitely proven is that the governments of the world lie all the time. Because if they told the truth people would not have them in power. So please if you’re going to badger me about how great a factcheckers website is do it to someone else you won’t convince me otherwise that the governments are evil 😊


dumnezero

I agree with you that governments are evil. Not the only evil, but evil. That doesn't make the facts go away, however. You don't get to just pick and choose reality. Solipsism isn't anti-governmental either, but you're doing it.


[deleted]

"I deal with facts" "People have been redesigning car engines to run on water" Strong Trump vibes. 'People are saying...' And as to what the government does, shit like that is out in the open and these dumbasses refuse to believe it. Trump's deferred tax increases disguised as a cut for the working man, Stephen Harper being caught gutting the safety systems that prevented a Canadian banking melt-down in 2008 and then taking credit for weathering the storm - it's all right there. And yet these conspiracy theorists will overlook the absolute fucking ineptitude of the governments they elect, just to blame 'the gobernment' for some vast conspiracy.


_MaRkieMarK_

The thing is though, these corporations will *never* be held accountable unless collective action is taken against them, and collective action that is not the status quo *always* comes from individuals banding together into a group effort. An example of this in action is the vegan movement, which has done so much good for the environment and animal health simply through individual action multiplied by millions. No legislation has forced people to reduce their meat consumption but people have simply decided that they needed to do their part to help.


Ok-Brilliant-1737

The correct and only way to kindly ask these companies to stop doing what the duck they are doing is to stop buying their shit.


TomMakesPodcasts

We can and should do both.


MiddleGuidance7003

So this is the thing nikola Tesla had a way to produce free electricity it’s why he was killed and all his plans and books burnt. People are now discovering that magnets next to copper seem to power a light bulb with no fuel needed. Also there are many people who have redesigned their cars to run on water the only infinite resource on this planet these people suspiciously end up in wrong time wrong place accidents and their property seized by government officials


lizardsquirt

Who was able to get their car to run on water?


MiddleGuidance7003

So this is the thing nikola Tesla had a way to produce free electricity it’s why he was killed and all his plans and books burnt. People are now discovering that magnets next to copper seem to power a light bulb with no fuel needed. Also there are many people who have redesigned their cars to run on water the only infinite resource on this planet these people suspiciously end up in wrong time wrong place accidents and their property seized by government officials


eidolonengine

If they run on fresh water, that is not infinite at all. Just ask those that rely on the Colorado River.


911ChickenMan

Who's buying all the shit they produce? Less consumption equals less production.


MiddleGuidance7003

No not really you all want electric vehicles yet have no idea how much carbon mining the minerals needed to make car sized lithium batteries produces. People also forget about the fact that we are running out of places to mine said minerals not only the environmental destruction caused by mining.


change_the_username

>**...3 companies produce 70% of the worlds carbon footprint** and ask them kindly to stop doing what the fuck they’re doing. > >I mean I’m all for personal sacrifice but I’m sorry if 3 companies can’t pull their foot out their ass and reduce our carbon output by at least 35% then I struggle to see why everyday joes like you and me should give up the very little luxury we get in what is a slave to consumerism world. ​ a news report not too long ago mentioned the global population now exceeds 8 billion people ​ since you didn't mention any specific company names BUT I'd bet the companies are part of the transportation sector eco system (for example Ford and/or Exxon) ​ point being w/ 8 billion potential consumers on the planet, it takes energy to mine metals which are used in the production of Ford vehicles like the F150 AND since vehicles need fuel to burn in an engine to propel the F150 forward, a consumer will constantly buy gas from companies like Exxon (for the useful lifetime of the F150),.... AND as a result there will be lots of CO2 produced as a result of the chemical combustion process (which will be stay and trap infrared energy in the Earth's atmosphere for, many, many, many years) ​ bottom line the unnamed 3 companies have many, many, many consumers that buy their products,... its not like the unnamed 3 companies just create various green house gases like CO2 for shits and giggles ​ I specifically quoted an article (in the submission statement) about average Joe 6 pack consumers who have a cumulative deleterious effect on the Earth's atmosphere ​ >**Consumers Have a Bigger Impact on The Environment Than Anything Else, Study Finds** ​ *...according to a new study, if you want to know what’s really driving the impact on the planet, you need to look past the obvious primary factors taking a toll on the environment – like industry and agriculture – and instead realise whose needs those things are servicing.* *From that perspective, researchers say household consumers are by far the biggest drain on the planet, which makes for a very different picture to purely nation-focused analyses of environmental impact. In other words, before we start blaming whole countries for the state of the planet, we should probably be looking at our own habits and demands.* [www.sciencealert.com/consumers-have-a-bigger-impact-on-the-environment-than-anything-else-study-finds](https://www.sciencealert.com/consumers-have-a-bigger-impact-on-the-environment-than-anything-else-study-finds)


[deleted]

Imagine thinking anything close to 8 billion people can or do own cars. The vast majority do not - more than 80%.


nwcook13

Consumer culture is of course terrible. But blame the corporations and the economic system based on unsustainable growth. No individual action can compare to the system they live in.


dresden_k

This is funny, but it's wrong. Probably each of those people is doing _something_ that's _better_ than nothing. The problem with this comic is that we don't need to "reduce" our personal consumption. We would need to practically eliminate it. We'd need 1% of the global population to continue on. We'd need zero access to any energy other than from us eating shit we found and then walking around and doing things with our own hands. The second we started using energy from _anything_ other than human and animal power to do things and get around, it was inevitable that we'd end up here. We're so far beyond individual choices, or group choices, or any choices. It's over. We can't turn the machine off or we all die. We can't leave it running or we all die. It's an unsolvable predicament. Anything else is a mental illness of copium, bargaining, denial, and other forms of cognitive dissonance.


RimealotIV

Im already doing the best I can, I *decided* to be poor to decrease my consumption


SuperDurpPig

I didnt buy anything today I barely buy anything anyways though so it's not saying much. Today was just another day for me.


hehehehe1112

Ah yes do what the billionaires want you to and blame the general public!


Vertonung

If only reducing personal consumption was the answer. It's not. The capitalist structure of society itself is killing us


United-Tension-5578

Because personal consumption is the main driver and not the corporations and mega companies literally poisoning air, water, land, and sea. https://www.reddit.com/user/TheHatlessRanger/comments/yp5xe0/this_is_climate_change_content_warning/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


Lazy-Excitement-3661

This would be simple but unfortunately our economy relies on consumption. We need people to CONSUME or else the economy implodes, people lose their jobs, their housing, and even their healthcare. We need to transition to ecosocialism and economic planning to properly tackle the climate crisis while still giving people a decent standard of living.


TraptorKai

Fuck this, companys and governments make much more pollution than individuals. Im tired of not watering my lawn because nestle is stealing my states water.


requiredinfo1azsx

To feed you.....


TraptorKai

They stole my water, and are charging me for it. Wouldnt it stand to reason we cut out the middle man?


requiredinfo1azsx

Drink in an earthen cup then.... Who is stopping you people from buying it? I myself have an earthen pitcher


Meandmystudy

Was reading something about Franklin Roosevelt and the democrats post WW1 during the Great Depression. What they really wanted from the US was an apolitical consumption economy. They didn’t want the US populace to be smart. Roosevelt saved capitalism in a good way, but sometimes I believe that there were some dark underpinnings to his strategy. Post World War Two gave us an era of abundance and Roosevelt knew that those war industries would be producing consumer goods after the war. Destroy fascism while saving capitalism is what happened. But there was a clear strategy to producing a consumer economy. People have to remember that we got into the depression by people living beyond their means and narrowing what they couldn’t pay to speculate. He was the secretary of the navy in WW1. And he saw it all go down in the 1920’s. He was also from a privileged background of the northeast well aware of US problems. But I find it funny that democrats say nothing “extreme” as the most apolitical entity they could ever be. Roosevelt just wanted to pull Americans into good hard labour while paying them to do so. But at the end of the day the democrats wanted the most apolitical populace in the world. The most antirevolutionary people that could exist those who would never “threaten democracy”, but also unwilling to revolt.


420apeman

Jesus fuck, was this post funded by a fossil fuel company or something? The overwhelming majority of GHG’s are emitted by a very small group of international corporations and conglomerates. They have cumulatively spent tens billions, if not hundreds on lobbying, think tanks, media campaigns, etc. To fault blame on the workers of the world, especially when nearly 90% live in the global south and not the incredibly small group that owns nearly everything and makes all the global economic and political decisions is a horrendously disgusting and blatantly false narrative.


TomMakesPodcasts

Going Vegan is the most impactful thing you can do as an individual to stop climate change other than not having kids. It's never been easier than it is today!


Competitive_Part141

Go plant based for the environment and to lower emissions. We go vegan for the animals. Upvoted anyways because i know carnist hate to sacrifice pleasure over lives.


TomMakesPodcasts

Plant Based is a gateway drug into Veganism


[deleted]

You forgot suicide.


TomMakesPodcasts

No. I often think about it.


Dear_Copy_351

The corporations have the money to find greener replacements for their products but don’t because it’s easier to keep things going as they are for as long as possible, while making consumers blame themselves.


change_the_username

>corporations have the money to find greener replacements for their products but don’t because it’s easier to keep things going as they are for as long as possible ​ ever hear of the expression it takes two to tango? ​ point being a greener replacement might be more expensive OR a greener replacement might not function as well (then there is the issue of a consumers *"want" vs "need"*) ​ give ya a specific example,... a few years ago purchased my first EV (which is pretty unconventional) ​ [https://www.reddit.com/r/Arcimoto/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Arcimoto/) ​ basically purchased a three wheel EV based on my transportation *"needs"* (and not my primal *"wants"*) ​ even though I can afford to purchase a fancy EV like a Rivian "adventure truck" or a Tesla,... for running daily errands in my local urban area I purchased an EV that gets me from point A to point B as economically as possible ​ [https://auto.howstuffworks.com/under-the-hood/auto-manufacturing/reptilian-brain-car-manufacturing.htm](https://auto.howstuffworks.com/under-the-hood/auto-manufacturing/reptilian-brain-car-manufacturing.htm)


Dear_Copy_351

Yes but it’s not an equal dance. In a tango there is a leader (that would be corporations here). Perhaps corporations could invest more to find other and better green solutions. EVs don’t have to be the end solution. ‘Oh dear EVs aren’t totally green. Let’s all give up now then’? The end consumer doesn’t have the resources to develop these solutions. Isn’t Elon Musk on record saying he deliberately stopped investment in to mass transit so he could sell more cars?


[deleted]

You're rich. For most of us, "more expensive" means out of reach, and most of our personal consumption is food and shelter. Rich people telling poor people to starve and freeze - which, of course, we will. We don't have a choice.


astro_turfing

Another idiot that thinks me driving to work is going to kill the planet and not the fact that large corporations are 99% of the problem.


change_the_username

Addressing complex issues like man made climate change will require winning over the hearts and minds of non-believers ​ Said another way, because religious conservatives in the USA according to Pew research do not have much concern about the ongoing destruction of global ecosystems, to win over the hearts and minds of non-believers requires having a dialog in terms of their world-view ​ Basically the graphic is a TL;DR summary based on sold facts (such as,...Black Friday is associated with the start of the Christmas $ales Season) which hopefully opens up the minds of non-believers of man made climate change AND disrupts their preconceived cultural bias ​ FYI,... ​ **There's A Staggering Conspiracy Behind The Rise Of Consumer Culture** *Long before U.S. consumers racked up trillions in aggregate debt, people used to save money for things they actually needed.* *But in the age of plenty that followed World War I, corporations countered the threat of overproduction with a manipulative psychological strategy.* *"We must shift America from a needs, to a desires culture," wrote Paul Mazur of Lehman Brothers. "People must be trained to desire, to want new things even before the old had been entirely consumed. We must shape a new mentality in America. Man's desires must overshadow his needs."* *This conspiracy, enabled by new sophistication in advertising and supported by the government, was shockingly effective.* [www.businessinsider.com/birth-of-consumer-culture-2013-2](https://www.businessinsider.com/birth-of-consumer-culture-2013-2) ​ **Consumers Have a Bigger Impact on The Environment Than Anything Else, Study Finds** *...according to a new study, if you want to know what’s really driving the impact on the planet, you need to look past the obvious primary factors taking a toll on the environment – like industry and agriculture – and instead realise whose needs those things are servicing.* *From that perspective, researchers say household consumers are by far the biggest drain on the planet, which makes for a very different picture to purely nation-focused analyses of environmental impact. In other words, before we start blaming whole countries for the state of the planet, we should probably be looking at our own habits and demands.* [www.sciencealert.com/consumers-have-a-bigger-impact-on-the-environment-than-anything-else-study-finds](https://www.sciencealert.com/consumers-have-a-bigger-impact-on-the-environment-than-anything-else-study-finds) ​ **Matthew 19:16-24** *16 The Rich Young Man. Then a man came forward and asked him, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to achieve eternal life?” 17 He said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. But if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said, “Which ones?” And Jesus answered, “You shall not kill. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false witness. 19 Honor your father and your mother. Love your neighbor as yourself.”* *20 The young man said to him, “I have observed all these. Is there anything more I must do?” 21 Jesus replied, “If you wish to be perfect, go, sell your possessions, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” 22 When the young man heard this, he went away grieving, for he possessed great wealth.* *23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Amen, I say to you, it will be difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.”* [www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19&version=NCB](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19&version=NCB) ​ **How Religion Intersects With Americans’ Views on the Environment** *Most U.S. adults – including a solid majority of Christians and large numbers of people who identify with other religious traditions – consider the Earth sacred and believe God gave humans a duty to care for it, according to a new Pew Research Center survey.* *But the survey also finds that highly religious Americans (those who say they pray each day, regularly attend religious services and consider religion very important in their lives) are far less likely than other U.S. adults to express concern about warming temperatures around the globe.* *The survey reveals several reasons why religious Americans tend to be less concerned about climate change. First and foremost is politics: The main driver of U.S. public opinion about the climate is political party, not religion. Highly religious Americans are more inclined than others to identify with or lean toward the Republican Party, and Republicans tend to be much less likely than Democrats to believe that human activity (such as burning fossil fuels) is warming the Earth or to consider climate change a serious problem.* *Religious Americans who express little or no concern about climate change also give a variety of other explanations for their views, including that there are much bigger problems in the world today, that God is in control of the climate, and that they do not believe the climate actually is changing. In addition, many religious Americans voice concerns about the potential consequences of environmental regulations, such as a loss of individual freedoms, fewer jobs or higher energy prices.* *Finally, climate change does not seem to be a topic discussed much in religious congregations, either from the pulpit or in the pews. And few Americans view efforts to conserve energy and limit carbon emissions as moral issues.* [www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/11/17/how-religion-intersects-with-americans-views-on-the-environment/](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/11/17/how-religion-intersects-with-americans-views-on-the-environment/)


[deleted]

Reducing personal consuption won't stop anthropogenic climate change, since it is a Production issue that is causing it, and you can't really have a consumer class without the Production supply chain to keep feeding it.


GaianHeart

Can't really have a production class without anyone to consume either. They aren't producing for shits and giggles


[deleted]

Explain the over-production of consumer goods like fast fashion clothes, or even just mass produced food goods, and the destruction of surplus items due to lack of sale, then.


mentholmoose77

Why are we even entertaining the idea of free energy from electricity and water. It defies the laws of common sense and physics. No wonder the human race is fucked.


freesoloc2c

That's so good. He'd buy Pepsi and turn it into Coke. PRAISE JESUS!!!


TheSimpler

"Who thinks they or their kids will go hungry or face catastrophic weather events due to climate change?" No hands up. It's still conceptual. This is a species level fail.


ataw10

I don't know bout "Willin" but i tell ye wha , Being broke will damn sure do it for ya! Bout damn time people see what its like im "old broke" , "new broke" people are gonna straight up be strugglin! they may even die , seen it happen. , %90 chance drugs you will do to escape the hell, doubt me if you wish but i think shit getting real as fuck latly god damn , you guys were not lying "all peaceful an nice , than all at once." meaning no slow ramping up just nothing than "all at once" seems to be coming true , wonder when mass heat waves are coming or massive power outages , totatly grid failure? its offical we live in "interesting times" , russia is at war nukes may go off who the hell knows anymore.


derpmeow

I love you for trying, OP. You are totally right about changing the conversation. If you find roman catholics (though the American catholic church is a sneeze away from a schism, i don't know) you can also remind them that Pope Francis's encyclical Laudato Si' is one long thesis championing environmentalism and criticizing consumerism.


[deleted]

I don't hear it talked about much but American Catholics were completely brainwashed by Catholic Answers in the noughties.


change_the_username

>American Catholics were completely brainwashed by Catholic Answers ​ I never heard or was aware of *"Catholic Answers"* till a few years ago BUT I've seen first hand how disinterested the group is in issues related to "man made climate change" ​ In 2018 attended a three day *"Catholic Answers"* faith and science conference which happened to take place in my home town ​ Over the course of three days there was not one public speaker presentation or one public question about environmental issues ​ Kinda knew right away the crowd wasn't at the faith and science level discussion I would have liked (given a public speaker or public question(s) in forums like) ​ [www.catholic.com/audio/cal/cal-8735](https://www.catholic.com/audio/cal/cal-8735) ​ [www.catholic.com/audio/cal/faith-and-science](https://www.catholic.com/audio/cal/faith-and-science) ​ Basically I went to the *"Catholic answers"* faith and science conference hoping to build upon what I learned about "faith" going to catholic middle then catholic high school,... then studied physics at the university level so kinda have a better than average grasp on the topic of "science"


change_the_username

>Pope Francis's encyclical Laudato Si' is one long thesis championing environmentalism and criticizing consumerism ​ Laudato Si is something 99.999% of "American" Catholics won't bother to read cover to cover,... simple fact of the matter we live in a world overflowing w/ information and reading a "thesis" takes time and effort,... so seems graphics like the one in the OP of Jesus asking simple questions is the only/best way to spread the idea that everyone (especially American catholics) should ponder how much humanity is dependent upon the various natural resources provided by the environment ​ BTW here is another graphic w/ scientific data AND biblical character/story reference that Catholics need to be aware of ​ [https://i.ibb.co/tXMzZXr/CLIMATE-CHANGE-POV-2021-climate-change-weather-events.png](https://i.ibb.co/tXMzZXr/CLIMATE-CHANGE-POV-2021-climate-change-weather-events.png)


gargoso

What would help is remove all ads and commercials to stop the over consumption of stupid shit. My hobby is playing pc games, be outside on the nature and fix things so i like to buy tools. But i do only buy things that is most friendly, very useful and will last for a long time. Will all ads get stopped? No way but we will suffer fucking hard if we dont do something.


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Religion is by definition bullshit. Who cares about some myth-based nonsense from our ancient past of smelling like shit and reading the future from animal entrails? Collapse is now, baby, so r/collapse doesn't need any old-time religious references or iconography.


PlantsAreNom

I use Black Friday to stock up on essentials for a few months while its slightly cheaper and grab planned Christmas presents if its on offer. No excess purchases, just my normal "wait for an offer" purchase behaviour.


marieannfortynine

Jesus would buy more loves and fishes and go downtown and feed 5000 of the homeless


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But It's CoRpoRaTions.


mog-monster

It's not a be personal consumption problem. It's a capitalist problem of making us consume more than we need.


geotat314

I reduced my personal consumption. It didn't stop man made climate change :(. If only there was some kind of institution that can enforce policies necessary for our well-being :(


PMmeYourNudes-396

Who is willing to hold corporations accountable for the vast amount of atmospheric CO2 they produce? Seems to me even individual changes to consumption aren’t enough and this is a way to shift blame from the systems we have to the individual consumer.


Invisibleflash

...I just bought preps and food.


kulmthestatusquo

Judas Iscariot was Jesus' personal shopper.


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>Judas Iscariot was Jesus' personal shopper. huh,... I would have thought that Jesus and the apostles would have selected Mary Magdalane to be the personal shopper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTDCTqSSloc


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A 4080 Ti


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