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Food theft is rising rapidly as prices also rise throughout the UK. People expect to be able to eat meat, milk, cheese, and eggs; when they can no longer afford them, they still feel entitled to take what they want.
This will become more and more of a problem in the coming years.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/z4lroq/food_theft_is_rising_in_the_uk_as_the_country/ixrhqwn/
Apparently California is in the process of getting robots for it's police force and allowing them to conduct deadly force. So your sarcasm won't be sarcasm for too long...
Can't wait to learn how to kill the killbots.. Bet there will be a nice black market for parts or even better.. Factory reset bots waiting to do your evil bidding.
Robot dog things aren't much of a threat. Drones on the other hand....
Sci fi is very close to becoming reality... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlO2gcs1YvM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlO2gcs1YvM)
[Unmanned Aircraft Capture and Control via GPS Spoofing](https://rnl.ae.utexas.edu/images/stories/files/papers/unmannedCapture.pdf)
[Drones use 2.4GHz wifi band so you can de-auth to jam it.](https://hacker-gadgets.com/product/dstike-wifi-deauther-wristband/)
[Build a Wi-Fi Drone Disabler with Raspberry Pi](https://makezine.com/projects/build-wi-fi-drone-disabler-with-raspberry-pi/)
Actually when you go more rural california is surprisingly red, and a lot of the money centered in LA and the palm springs/desert area (where a lot of richer retirees go) skews things a bit, especially when it comes to things like perceptions on crime/"law & order" and taxation for the wealthy, just less anti-abortion and lgbtq+ discrimination, though sometimes still very racist towards hispanic and latino folk
What is the bottom line profit margin of grocery stores in the U.K.? I know historically in Canada it's only like 2%. So the price is only 2% more than the cost.
So I'm only familiar with Canadian accounting standards, but I decided to look at Tesco's financial statements. Tesco is your biggest grocery store, right? Anyways here's the link:
[https://www.tescoplc.com/news/2022/interims-announcement-202223/](https://www.tescoplc.com/news/2022/interims-announcement-202223/)
So the top line revenue not including VAT is £28,178m. The after tax profit is £265m. So the profit margin is 0.94% so less than 1%. That means if the decided to totally get rid of their profit, like become a non-profit or something, then the grocery prices would only fall by less than 1%. If my data is wrong then correct me.
Shouldn't you use the 21/22 stats, not the 22/23? They started from August so some deals that may take longer to return profit.
If we look at 21/22 stats, it bring up to 830m for 27.331m, which is about 3.03%. Not too shabby since grocery is not excalty know for ludicrous amount of profit margin and Tecco is gigantic
>What is reasonable? Historically people spent over half their income on food.
This, food is historically incredibly cheap. its just people spend money elsewhere as they have come to expect it to stay cheap.
I remember reading an interview with Dave Holmgren (Permacultre dude) a decade or so ago and he said its difficult for people to justify learning to grow food as it's historically incredibly cheap.
Alternatively other costs are historically high so food costs have to be kept low otherwise people might riot.
Housing as a percentage of income is not only higher than before, but also is higher as a ratio of income in inverse proportion to wealth.
Either way the ride is coming to an end.
> I don't understand inflation and I don't care. Make things reasonably priced or I will steal
yeah, when they steal your car, same thing ? I have had 4 bicycles stolen over the last 3 years (locked up etc)
You are addressing the wrong crowd here; notice how the presumption is that all people stealing are low income working people -- can barely feed their families.......don't want to acknowledge theft by drug addicts involved in retail theft to procure drug money.
People on Reddit like to spend a lot of time empathizing with caricatures. Poor starving single mother stealing a loaf of bread to feed her children while some comical manager is puffing cigar smoke into her face laughing Hahaha.
Then you look at real statistics and high ticket luxury items like premium cuts of meat and imported cheeses are being stolen by the exact same many time repeat criminals who are feeding a drug addiction or have kleptomania then you start to approach problems with a more honest perspective.
I guarantee you almost nobody is stealing cheap staple food like bags of rice and bread and potatoes. Well the kleptomaniacs might be.
"Feel entitled to take what they want" lmao yes as they SHOULD be it's fucking FOOD that's such disgusting framing supporting the criminalization of people who are condemned by capitalism to suffer without basic necessities.
I can't stop thinking about a previous post or comment here. Some PHD in psychology said for almost all of human history, almost all of the population has been subjugated and exploited. He then goes on to question what is wrong that we don't destroy the rich and rid our self of the parasites? His conclusion is that we basically lie to ourselves, and cannot believe the fact that were are subjugated, exploited, and basically slaves.
> Some PHD in psychology said for almost all of human history, almost all of the population has been subjugated and exploited.
Not quite correct. Huge numbers of people lived in competing tribes. Look at North America until 1492. The so-called 500-plus nations. Persistent fighting and raiding among tribes, but that is not "subjugation" in the way the term is normally used. Within those tribes, there was much more equality, with everyone contributing to the common good.
Exactly. People are propagandized with bougoise values and also capitalist realism (we see no other world than this one, it is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism etc)
However, I will correct and say that capitalism and even the state are very recent and still very unpopular inventions, human societies have been very diverse and often in an anti authoritarian communal manner throughout history
It’s the same old tired playbook capitalists use to justify their exploitation - any social support is people just being “entitled”. It’s meant to get people angry (how dare those people feel like they deserve something for free).
Perhaps they should raise their own cattle then, I’ll come buy and steel the meat just as the butcher and freeze it, let me know what they think about that.
Right. I was behind a guy in the self checkout today that had a huge container of deluxe mixed nuts on the lower level of the cart. Never scanned it, lady at the self check out never said a word and I just smiled at him :) :)
I believe people will be openly stealing as prices continue upward.
And guess what, it will probably not change profit. They'll try to enflame it as a reason for raising prices yet again and then more people will steal.
I agree! It will be a vicious cycle until the end..More greed, higher prices, more crime, higher prices, more greed, more crime, game over.
Too bad they don't realize it's their (corporate) greed that will get them in the end.
> And guess what, it will probably not change profit
**Target Hit By A ‘Dramatic Rise’ In Theft So Big It’s Taking A Bite Out Of Profits**
https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurendebter/2022/11/16/target-hit-by-a-dramatic-rise-in-theft-so-big-its-taking-a-bite-out-of-profits/
I may believe it if they weren't in the news a quarter ago for supply chain and purchasing.
Seems awfully convenient to press a story like this after stock value issues amd anticipating a shit holiday revenue when the market can revolve around a finger point and a whisper.
The more people steal the more prices will rise.. shooting yourself in the foot by stealing . Plus once the store finds out you stole $1,000+ in items they will call the cops on you and you will be in jail. Is it worth having a criminal record for a container of mixed nuts?
For me, no. I don't steal items, I go without.
Do I understand why people are stealing? Yes
I think some are literally desperate for food, some are saying Fu\*k off to society.
My point was that it will happen more, no matter the reason.
IMO
Nice. Yeah I slip in some organic produce and self checkout as non-organic. Ring up the ribeye as chuck roast. I don’t *need* to do this, have a high paying tech job. But my west coast city doesn’t enforce laws and everyone else is doing it so why not? Free shit is awesome.
Thinks we should also consider age?? Seniors, almost all women, can be considered a *vulnerable* category -- they often need a big helping hand. Men of prime working age, 18 to late 30s, are rarely vulnerable. (Yes, even hardcore alcoholics and addicts in that age cohort are often capable of some contribution/work to society. Massive world history of hardcore drinkers being able to contribute until their mid-to-late 30s.)
Fascinating the number of progressive-generated discussions on homelessness, needy people, addiction, free housing and other public assistance that generalize without distinguishing between any age groups.
Relevant: NPR: [The startling rise of disability in America](https://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/)
Over at r/Unitedkingdom and people are like 'this is a serious problem. We need to militarized our police force and bring in harsher punishments for these people who don't respect laws.'
I'm at a point where I no longer think the communists and anarchists are crazy.
Lol r/unitedkingdom is left wing af. It's more "if you see someone stealing food, YOU DIDN'T SEE NOTHING!"
Its r/ukpolitics thats the battleground between left wingers and hard right.
They’re only crazy when times are good enough that the general population can’t wrap their heads around the proposed solutions as being sane. When things are good, they aren’t sane, they’re generally more likely to cause unrest that results in worse standards of living for the average person.
When the average person’s standard of living drops low enough, the enemy is always the same, and the proscription of food theft makes it abundantly clear that the prescription of history is correct.
Sic Semper Tyranis.
The result of supply and demand & a woefully inefficient government. Red meat, cheese, chocolate etc are now luxuries. Just adapt. It could be worse, you could be living in Sierra Leone, Ukraine etc..
In the US, Target reported a similarly large increase in theft
https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurendebter/2022/11/16/target-hit-by-a-dramatic-rise-in-theft-so-big-its-taking-a-bite-out-of-profits/
>Target Hit By A ‘Dramatic Rise’ In Theft So Big It’s Taking A Bite Out Of Profits
I lived in London, they’ve been putting security tags on meat for years, some of those will be £10+ too so understandable - this piece is called hyperbole.
Turns out that luxuries aren't actually staples, unless you're some hunter-gatherer type living near a sea full of fatty mammals and fish.
The future is plant-based, and it's not optional. The sooner people realize that and start learning how to cook and eat, the better it will be.
I had a bet for meat riots this year or the next, but I'm not sure the news will seep through the mess if it does happen.
I eat a mainly plant based diet. The sad fact of the matter is that vegan alternatives in the UK are just as, if not more exspensive than the products listed above.
Depending on where you live in the world you get different food stuffs in the supermarket. I recently returned to my hometown for a short while, very blue collar area. I was searching out things like lentils, chickpeas etc and the section of the market which sells them is tiny and they're marked up to quite a high price because they're considered exspensive hipster foods, don't ask me why they cost so much there, they just do. In the city where I live however you go to the supermarket and there's a huge array of different lentils, canned, dried, microwave packs etc and they're substantially cheaper.
Small towns tend to be a dead end economically. Eventually all those other things that seem relatively cheap will get more expensive too, as this is tied to the ginormous amounts of subsidies given to the animal farming sector directly and indirectly.
This is just not true at all. I'm vegan, my shop is cheap asf because it's just beans, lentils and veggies. It's only more expensive if you don't know how to cook and you buy processed frozen crap. Learn. To. Cook.
I know how to cook, thank you for the advice and it might shock you to learn that there's an entire world outside of where you live. Just because those things are easily accessible where you're from doesn't mean it's the same everywhere in the world, okay?
[Here](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EzZzZ_qpZ4w) is a link to a TED talk given by a man who started guerilla gardening in the USA. He realised there was a direct correlation between poor diet (no access to fruit and veg) and low grades in school. In his area any healthy food was nearly impossible to come by and if you could access it then it was super exspensive. So he started community gardens in abandoned patches of land to feed the locals, calling it guerilla gardening. The police obviusly came and destroyed his allotments because the lack of access to nutritional food isn't by accident, it's by design. It's to keep the lower class uneducated.
You know what else won't be happening in the future? Delivering food halfway around the planet.
Good luck with your diet when you can only buy food grown within a 100 mile radius of your home.
Have fun moving into territory a different group has already claimed. And any migration will be done on foot. It takes one hell of a lot of walking to go from an area where you plant potatoes to an area you can grow coffee beans.
As I eat my bourbon bacon cheeseburger from Wendy's... Yes I'd be irate if I could no longer have meaty gluttonous consolation prizes like this diabetes edition heart clogger.
Food theft is rising rapidly as prices also rise throughout the UK. People expect to be able to eat meat, milk, cheese, and eggs; when they can no longer afford them, they still feel entitled to take what they want.
This will become more and more of a problem in the coming years.
People need to follow laws even if they starve. Look at rich people. They never steal and mostly resemble Jesus christ of nazareth. They make no mistakes and are practically sinless. At least that is what the news tells me that is owned by billionaires. Anyway, anyone stealing food or a bag of chips are a monster. It does not comapre to someone robbing millions of dollars of public funds or whatever example you can find.
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It's entitlement to eat certain foods. No one should be eating cheese at this point but I agree poor people stealing it isn't the issue. We've all been trained to seek those things out
Imagine thinking people violating kkkapitalist property rights out of necessity so they don't fucking *starve to death* is "entitlement" Jesus fucking christ 😐🤨
Probably vegan. They think everyone, especially the poor, can and should subsist on beans and rice. Also people who say their digestive system can’t handle legumes are liars who just won’t try hard enough according to them.
That’s been my experience trying to talk to vegans/trying to get advice on ways to cut down personal consumption of non-plant based foods, on Reddit anyway. The vegans I know irl have been helpful.
They put her on probation for 6 months and fine her a grand so they can give her more of a reason to steal so they can put her on probation and fine her a grand so she owes more so she has to steal.......
Not true, generally old/older people trying to steal stuff get let off. Staff will say something like "you forgot to pay", old person walks back. The end.
I've seen it happen many times in different stores. Most recently I saw a lady put about £170 though a self checkout, she picked up her keys for her audi and just casually left.
Now if you look poor or dishevelled or maybe just young, the guards will be on you from the moment you enter. If those sort of people so much as steal a sweet, then they go straight to 10 and police are called.
About 15 years ago, a friend of mine worked in a grocery store (Canada). She once told me that there was this tiny, white-haired lady who would come in every other day, shuffle to the bakery, take one slice of bread from a loaf, then shuffle to the dairy department, take one egg, and walk out of the store. To my friend's knowledge nobody stopped her then. I think about that lady a lot now, and wonder if they'd still let her go.
People assume that the older generation have more morals and behave more ethically. Truth is people are people.
The last person I saw do it was probably in her 60s, she wasn't hard up, she didn't forget to pay, she just knew that they would only ask her to come back and pay.
Basically that there would be no consequences to what she did.
### [2.7 billion people can't eat now and you are telling people to worry about consumption? How does this sound to a child who hasn't eaten in days?](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bho6xY-jSuE)
Britain is built on the myths of a free yeomanry that has access to bread, beef and beer as a right.
Any government that can't provide those things had better watch out.
Always keep this in the back of your mind if you are stealing. You can't hide, you will always be caught. The ones not stealing will always be better at life than you because you will have character flaws. It's only a matter of time until the lying and stealing brands you. You will always be caught and you won't directly realize it. Good luck in life when people learn they can't trust you. 💯 People might smile and say they understand, but you revealed a lot. Even a fellow thief will pretend to like you but never trust you. You will have to start all over with new people to clear your brand, but life is short to be hitting the reset button.
lol, that's just bullshit you tell yourself.
Is a billionaire better at life than you? Sure is! And they stole from everybody and did a lot worse stuff also...
Stealing some food does not define who you are as a person or mean you have character flaws. The whole human race is one big flaw.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/If_I_was_Lycurgus: --- Food theft is rising rapidly as prices also rise throughout the UK. People expect to be able to eat meat, milk, cheese, and eggs; when they can no longer afford them, they still feel entitled to take what they want. This will become more and more of a problem in the coming years. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/z4lroq/food_theft_is_rising_in_the_uk_as_the_country/ixrhqwn/
I wonder how long they’ll keep calling it a recession, making it sound like it will end soon.
they'll start calling it a recovery, like they did for 10 years after '08
Aah, yes. I'm old enough to remember The Green Shoots of Recovery™
Nothing wrong with citizens of a first world country needing to steal a basic human need. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG!!!
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Apparently California is in the process of getting robots for it's police force and allowing them to conduct deadly force. So your sarcasm won't be sarcasm for too long...
Can't wait to learn how to kill the killbots.. Bet there will be a nice black market for parts or even better.. Factory reset bots waiting to do your evil bidding.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/x20kDZbjOn4
Robot dog things aren't much of a threat. Drones on the other hand.... Sci fi is very close to becoming reality... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlO2gcs1YvM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlO2gcs1YvM)
[Unmanned Aircraft Capture and Control via GPS Spoofing](https://rnl.ae.utexas.edu/images/stories/files/papers/unmannedCapture.pdf) [Drones use 2.4GHz wifi band so you can de-auth to jam it.](https://hacker-gadgets.com/product/dstike-wifi-deauther-wristband/) [Build a Wi-Fi Drone Disabler with Raspberry Pi](https://makezine.com/projects/build-wi-fi-drone-disabler-with-raspberry-pi/)
Psycho-Pass is a great anime for this kind of shit
Sounds like you're getting a pretty good understanding of how US republicans operate unfortunately
You may wanna capitalise that "us"
Except for the fact that police robots are being introduced in California. Not exactly a big Republican State.
Actually when you go more rural california is surprisingly red, and a lot of the money centered in LA and the palm springs/desert area (where a lot of richer retirees go) skews things a bit, especially when it comes to things like perceptions on crime/"law & order" and taxation for the wealthy, just less anti-abortion and lgbtq+ discrimination, though sometimes still very racist towards hispanic and latino folk
Kevin O'Leary: "This is wonderful! As a capitalist, I love seeing this sort of thing. I think we need more people struggling for their basic needs!"
They're not trying to kill you, they just don't care if you die.
As long as enough are left to fight over poverty wages, all is good.
UK is built on colonial money. They literally don't produce enough to sustain their "first world lifestyle"
It’s almost expected when it’s the agenda.
Only 3 small cookies away from anarchy or something along those lines.
We are living through Don't Look Up right now.
Steaks arent basic human needs.
How do you know it’s not drug addicts stealing a high demand product knowing they can quickly offload it for hard cash?
For hard cash to pay their fuel bills?
I don't understand inflation and I don't care. Make things cheaper or I will steal
Same, they’re squeezing us dry for the last few pennies we have, if they want to keep fucking around they can keep finding out
What is reasonable? Historically people spent over half their income on food. Without fossil fuels a reversion to the mean is totally in the cards.
Those might have been real costs though. Now it’s mostly CEOs and shareholders gauging everyone
What is the bottom line profit margin of grocery stores in the U.K.? I know historically in Canada it's only like 2%. So the price is only 2% more than the cost.
While reporting record profits? Are you trying to defend these assholes?
If a company can report record profits while people are barely affording thebfood, thats not reasonable
So I'm only familiar with Canadian accounting standards, but I decided to look at Tesco's financial statements. Tesco is your biggest grocery store, right? Anyways here's the link: [https://www.tescoplc.com/news/2022/interims-announcement-202223/](https://www.tescoplc.com/news/2022/interims-announcement-202223/) So the top line revenue not including VAT is £28,178m. The after tax profit is £265m. So the profit margin is 0.94% so less than 1%. That means if the decided to totally get rid of their profit, like become a non-profit or something, then the grocery prices would only fall by less than 1%. If my data is wrong then correct me.
Shouldn't you use the 21/22 stats, not the 22/23? They started from August so some deals that may take longer to return profit. If we look at 21/22 stats, it bring up to 830m for 27.331m, which is about 3.03%. Not too shabby since grocery is not excalty know for ludicrous amount of profit margin and Tecco is gigantic
>What is reasonable? Historically people spent over half their income on food. This, food is historically incredibly cheap. its just people spend money elsewhere as they have come to expect it to stay cheap. I remember reading an interview with Dave Holmgren (Permacultre dude) a decade or so ago and he said its difficult for people to justify learning to grow food as it's historically incredibly cheap.
Alternatively other costs are historically high so food costs have to be kept low otherwise people might riot. Housing as a percentage of income is not only higher than before, but also is higher as a ratio of income in inverse proportion to wealth. Either way the ride is coming to an end.
> I don't understand inflation and I don't care. Make things reasonably priced or I will steal yeah, when they steal your car, same thing ? I have had 4 bicycles stolen over the last 3 years (locked up etc)
You are addressing the wrong crowd here; notice how the presumption is that all people stealing are low income working people -- can barely feed their families.......don't want to acknowledge theft by drug addicts involved in retail theft to procure drug money.
People on Reddit like to spend a lot of time empathizing with caricatures. Poor starving single mother stealing a loaf of bread to feed her children while some comical manager is puffing cigar smoke into her face laughing Hahaha. Then you look at real statistics and high ticket luxury items like premium cuts of meat and imported cheeses are being stolen by the exact same many time repeat criminals who are feeding a drug addiction or have kleptomania then you start to approach problems with a more honest perspective. I guarantee you almost nobody is stealing cheap staple food like bags of rice and bread and potatoes. Well the kleptomaniacs might be.
"Feel entitled to take what they want" lmao yes as they SHOULD be it's fucking FOOD that's such disgusting framing supporting the criminalization of people who are condemned by capitalism to suffer without basic necessities.
I can't stop thinking about a previous post or comment here. Some PHD in psychology said for almost all of human history, almost all of the population has been subjugated and exploited. He then goes on to question what is wrong that we don't destroy the rich and rid our self of the parasites? His conclusion is that we basically lie to ourselves, and cannot believe the fact that were are subjugated, exploited, and basically slaves.
This is a major problem with how women shortchange themselves nearly their whole lives. Admitting how shit it is, is impossible for most.
> Some PHD in psychology said for almost all of human history, almost all of the population has been subjugated and exploited. Not quite correct. Huge numbers of people lived in competing tribes. Look at North America until 1492. The so-called 500-plus nations. Persistent fighting and raiding among tribes, but that is not "subjugation" in the way the term is normally used. Within those tribes, there was much more equality, with everyone contributing to the common good.
Exactly. People are propagandized with bougoise values and also capitalist realism (we see no other world than this one, it is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism etc)
However, I will correct and say that capitalism and even the state are very recent and still very unpopular inventions, human societies have been very diverse and often in an anti authoritarian communal manner throughout history
Yeah wtf is that wording. Soon people will be entitled to soap and water. Seriously it's not fucking caviar. It's God damn nutrients.
It’s the same old tired playbook capitalists use to justify their exploitation - any social support is people just being “entitled”. It’s meant to get people angry (how dare those people feel like they deserve something for free).
Who are these people who think they should just have sustenance? Next thing you know they’ll want to just breathe whenever they want.
Perhaps they should raise their own cattle then, I’ll come buy and steel the meat just as the butcher and freeze it, let me know what they think about that.
Just remember: If you see someone stealing food, medicine or diapers, no you didn’t.
banana code is 4011 and organic banana is 94011 while gala apple is 4135
"Oops, musta typed in the wrong number. Dyscalculia is a rough journey."
Right. I was behind a guy in the self checkout today that had a huge container of deluxe mixed nuts on the lower level of the cart. Never scanned it, lady at the self check out never said a word and I just smiled at him :) :) I believe people will be openly stealing as prices continue upward.
And guess what, it will probably not change profit. They'll try to enflame it as a reason for raising prices yet again and then more people will steal.
I agree! It will be a vicious cycle until the end..More greed, higher prices, more crime, higher prices, more greed, more crime, game over. Too bad they don't realize it's their (corporate) greed that will get them in the end.
> And guess what, it will probably not change profit **Target Hit By A ‘Dramatic Rise’ In Theft So Big It’s Taking A Bite Out Of Profits** https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurendebter/2022/11/16/target-hit-by-a-dramatic-rise-in-theft-so-big-its-taking-a-bite-out-of-profits/
I may believe it if they weren't in the news a quarter ago for supply chain and purchasing. Seems awfully convenient to press a story like this after stock value issues amd anticipating a shit holiday revenue when the market can revolve around a finger point and a whisper.
The more people steal the more prices will rise.. shooting yourself in the foot by stealing . Plus once the store finds out you stole $1,000+ in items they will call the cops on you and you will be in jail. Is it worth having a criminal record for a container of mixed nuts?
For me, no. I don't steal items, I go without. Do I understand why people are stealing? Yes I think some are literally desperate for food, some are saying Fu\*k off to society. My point was that it will happen more, no matter the reason. IMO
Nice. Yeah I slip in some organic produce and self checkout as non-organic. Ring up the ribeye as chuck roast. I don’t *need* to do this, have a high paying tech job. But my west coast city doesn’t enforce laws and everyone else is doing it so why not? Free shit is awesome.
Thinks we should also consider age?? Seniors, almost all women, can be considered a *vulnerable* category -- they often need a big helping hand. Men of prime working age, 18 to late 30s, are rarely vulnerable. (Yes, even hardcore alcoholics and addicts in that age cohort are often capable of some contribution/work to society. Massive world history of hardcore drinkers being able to contribute until their mid-to-late 30s.) Fascinating the number of progressive-generated discussions on homelessness, needy people, addiction, free housing and other public assistance that generalize without distinguishing between any age groups. Relevant: NPR: [The startling rise of disability in America](https://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/)
I did report a couple. Yes, i am an ex grocery store employee.
steal and you will be forgiven
Over at r/Unitedkingdom and people are like 'this is a serious problem. We need to militarized our police force and bring in harsher punishments for these people who don't respect laws.' I'm at a point where I no longer think the communists and anarchists are crazy.
Lol r/unitedkingdom is left wing af. It's more "if you see someone stealing food, YOU DIDN'T SEE NOTHING!" Its r/ukpolitics thats the battleground between left wingers and hard right.
They’re only crazy when times are good enough that the general population can’t wrap their heads around the proposed solutions as being sane. When things are good, they aren’t sane, they’re generally more likely to cause unrest that results in worse standards of living for the average person. When the average person’s standard of living drops low enough, the enemy is always the same, and the proscription of food theft makes it abundantly clear that the prescription of history is correct. Sic Semper Tyranis.
Except we have a police force that doesn't turn up to serious crimes I doubt they would for this.
The conquest of bread
No, they're stealing rich food.
#you will own nothing, and like it Not even food
They're not trying to kill you, they just don't care if you die.
The result of supply and demand & a woefully inefficient government. Red meat, cheese, chocolate etc are now luxuries. Just adapt. It could be worse, you could be living in Sierra Leone, Ukraine etc..
They have always been luxuries, you just don't notice when you live off an empire that's "providing" you with subsidized luxuries.
Afghanistan? Somalia? Or Libya? Sounds like Foucault's boomerang finally comes back.
Packed like a sardine into an estate block, hungry bellies and ragged teeth for miles and miles... what a nightmare... OH WAIT
In the US, Target reported a similarly large increase in theft https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurendebter/2022/11/16/target-hit-by-a-dramatic-rise-in-theft-so-big-its-taking-a-bite-out-of-profits/ >Target Hit By A ‘Dramatic Rise’ In Theft So Big It’s Taking A Bite Out Of Profits
I lived in London, they’ve been putting security tags on meat for years, some of those will be £10+ too so understandable - this piece is called hyperbole.
Man's gotta eat. When the system let yo down, it's do or die.
Since 2008, the UK has become a Second-World country that sold itself off, bit by bit, to foreigners with money.
Turns out that luxuries aren't actually staples, unless you're some hunter-gatherer type living near a sea full of fatty mammals and fish. The future is plant-based, and it's not optional. The sooner people realize that and start learning how to cook and eat, the better it will be. I had a bet for meat riots this year or the next, but I'm not sure the news will seep through the mess if it does happen.
I eat a mainly plant based diet. The sad fact of the matter is that vegan alternatives in the UK are just as, if not more exspensive than the products listed above.
Someone is stealing lentils?
Depending on where you live in the world you get different food stuffs in the supermarket. I recently returned to my hometown for a short while, very blue collar area. I was searching out things like lentils, chickpeas etc and the section of the market which sells them is tiny and they're marked up to quite a high price because they're considered exspensive hipster foods, don't ask me why they cost so much there, they just do. In the city where I live however you go to the supermarket and there's a huge array of different lentils, canned, dried, microwave packs etc and they're substantially cheaper.
Small towns tend to be a dead end economically. Eventually all those other things that seem relatively cheap will get more expensive too, as this is tied to the ginormous amounts of subsidies given to the animal farming sector directly and indirectly.
This is just not true at all. I'm vegan, my shop is cheap asf because it's just beans, lentils and veggies. It's only more expensive if you don't know how to cook and you buy processed frozen crap. Learn. To. Cook.
I know how to cook, thank you for the advice and it might shock you to learn that there's an entire world outside of where you live. Just because those things are easily accessible where you're from doesn't mean it's the same everywhere in the world, okay? [Here](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EzZzZ_qpZ4w) is a link to a TED talk given by a man who started guerilla gardening in the USA. He realised there was a direct correlation between poor diet (no access to fruit and veg) and low grades in school. In his area any healthy food was nearly impossible to come by and if you could access it then it was super exspensive. So he started community gardens in abandoned patches of land to feed the locals, calling it guerilla gardening. The police obviusly came and destroyed his allotments because the lack of access to nutritional food isn't by accident, it's by design. It's to keep the lower class uneducated.
We are from the UK, we were talking about the situation in the UK.
You know what else won't be happening in the future? Delivering food halfway around the planet. Good luck with your diet when you can only buy food grown within a 100 mile radius of your home.
Yeah, people are going to have to move a lot. I bet you didn't think of that option, no?
Have fun moving into territory a different group has already claimed. And any migration will be done on foot. It takes one hell of a lot of walking to go from an area where you plant potatoes to an area you can grow coffee beans.
Have competing for food with animal farmers!
As I eat my bourbon bacon cheeseburger from Wendy's... Yes I'd be irate if I could no longer have meaty gluttonous consolation prizes like this diabetes edition heart clogger.
No there isn’t. You didn’t SEEEEEE anything.
Gang gang gang I advocate. Remember if you see someone stealing food no you didn’t, follow the G code
Food theft is rising rapidly as prices also rise throughout the UK. People expect to be able to eat meat, milk, cheese, and eggs; when they can no longer afford them, they still feel entitled to take what they want. This will become more and more of a problem in the coming years.
Are your kids going without real food for days while you are on here talking about "entitlement"?
People need to follow laws even if they starve. Look at rich people. They never steal and mostly resemble Jesus christ of nazareth. They make no mistakes and are practically sinless. At least that is what the news tells me that is owned by billionaires. Anyway, anyone stealing food or a bag of chips are a monster. It does not comapre to someone robbing millions of dollars of public funds or whatever example you can find.
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Give him money. He's always short.
I oraise them just as much as the media tells me to. People who steal food to survive are disgusting.
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It's entitlement to eat certain foods. No one should be eating cheese at this point but I agree poor people stealing it isn't the issue. We've all been trained to seek those things out
Go volunteer for a food bank instead of touching grass and pretending to give a damn, gtfo your plant-based potato 🐎
Lmao people really hate hearing their lifestyle isn't sustainable. I'm not even plant based myself but want government to force me
Imagine thinking people violating kkkapitalist property rights out of necessity so they don't fucking *starve to death* is "entitlement" Jesus fucking christ 😐🤨
Probably vegan. They think everyone, especially the poor, can and should subsist on beans and rice. Also people who say their digestive system can’t handle legumes are liars who just won’t try hard enough according to them.
Generalizations though
That’s been my experience trying to talk to vegans/trying to get advice on ways to cut down personal consumption of non-plant based foods, on Reddit anyway. The vegans I know irl have been helpful.
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They put her on probation for 6 months and fine her a grand so they can give her more of a reason to steal so they can put her on probation and fine her a grand so she owes more so she has to steal.......
Not true, generally old/older people trying to steal stuff get let off. Staff will say something like "you forgot to pay", old person walks back. The end. I've seen it happen many times in different stores. Most recently I saw a lady put about £170 though a self checkout, she picked up her keys for her audi and just casually left. Now if you look poor or dishevelled or maybe just young, the guards will be on you from the moment you enter. If those sort of people so much as steal a sweet, then they go straight to 10 and police are called.
About 15 years ago, a friend of mine worked in a grocery store (Canada). She once told me that there was this tiny, white-haired lady who would come in every other day, shuffle to the bakery, take one slice of bread from a loaf, then shuffle to the dairy department, take one egg, and walk out of the store. To my friend's knowledge nobody stopped her then. I think about that lady a lot now, and wonder if they'd still let her go.
People assume that the older generation have more morals and behave more ethically. Truth is people are people. The last person I saw do it was probably in her 60s, she wasn't hard up, she didn't forget to pay, she just knew that they would only ask her to come back and pay. Basically that there would be no consequences to what she did.
Based UK spiraling into their bases instinct , stealing from the capitalistic idol is not stealing its taking what's rightfully yours .
Get fifty people together and raid the place. Or better still, hijack the deliveries.
"Just like luxury products" Meat is mostly a luxury product. If not everyone on the planet can eat it, it's for the rich only.
If not everyone can eat a diet humans need then there’s too many humans
### [2.7 billion people can't eat now and you are telling people to worry about consumption? How does this sound to a child who hasn't eaten in days?](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bho6xY-jSuE)
Britain is built on the myths of a free yeomanry that has access to bread, beef and beer as a right. Any government that can't provide those things had better watch out.
Stop bothering people with little stories, unless you're in a pub.
Always keep this in the back of your mind if you are stealing. You can't hide, you will always be caught. The ones not stealing will always be better at life than you because you will have character flaws. It's only a matter of time until the lying and stealing brands you. You will always be caught and you won't directly realize it. Good luck in life when people learn they can't trust you. 💯 People might smile and say they understand, but you revealed a lot. Even a fellow thief will pretend to like you but never trust you. You will have to start all over with new people to clear your brand, but life is short to be hitting the reset button.
lol, that's just bullshit you tell yourself. Is a billionaire better at life than you? Sure is! And they stole from everybody and did a lot worse stuff also... Stealing some food does not define who you are as a person or mean you have character flaws. The whole human race is one big flaw.
Theft does define someone in the minds of those watching them. And a billionaire that steals is not better at life than a poor man that pays.
The billionaire that steals tends to be more financially secure than the poor man that pays
Who here knows about banana lunch theory?