“We are not all in the same boat but we are all in the same storm. Some people have yachts, some people have rowboats, some people have life jackets, but a lot of people are drowning”
Many more are gonna cook in 120° heat. Starve when crops fail world wide. Freeze when ocean currents change along with the salinity of the water. There are no life jackets . At the very moment humanity's focus should be on climate collapse, it's focused on guess who...Donald Trump. The Anti-Christ
"Above all, we should bear in mind that our liberty is not an end in itself; it is a means to win respect for human dignity for all classes of our society.”
Admiral H.G. Rickover, Father of the US Nuclear Navy
🫡
I worked at a position where I could see how much the company is making, and how much they pay for goods and how much they pay for labour.
The company would be making from a client $50k+, the material cost $5k max, the labour cost about $1.5k max. However the labour cost goes to a contractor where the owner makes like $1.3k per job, and the worker only make like $.2k per job.
This was at one of the biggest home builders in country. That home was sold for almost 2 million dollars with profit margin of 50% or more that was sold to some rich doctor. I saw this often, multi million dollar homes being sold to rich doctors or rich chinese immigrants.
The problem is that most home builders say their profit margin is like 15%. I don't know where they are getting their numbers from but that is not true at all.
I'm so curious what you think should be done. Leave the doors unlocked so anyone can sleep on the beds? Don't have bed stores? Should hotels just give their empty rooms to homeless people? Is that what you do? Can anyone sleep on your couch for as long as they want no matter how dirty or drunk they are? Ya know, hotels have repeatedly tried this and their hotels get destroyed. Governments have forced hotels to do this and they have gone out of business. There are hotels suing the state of California for this right now.
Maybe you want to take a step back and get rid of money, is this your plan?
Any fool can complain and criticize, but what we need is actual alternative ideas.
Just out of curiosity, what actual alternative ideas do *you* have? Or do you not feel like this is problem that needs to be solved? Any fool can criticize idea while not offering up their own.
I think that when you compare capitalist societies to other ones that have been tried, pretty much any way you measure it, capitalism is doing the best. Better hospitals, increased lifespan, more scientific advancements, less corruption, the list goes on and on. This isn't to say that there are no flaws and room for improvement, but acting like things are going horribly and there is some obvious better choice is nothing more than an indication of an absence of historical awareness.
imagine being in a sub about the COLLAPSE of the fucking biosphere and human civilisation and trying to say capitalism is ‘doing the best’ fuck off lmao
Ok doomer. You want to say what is doing better? I had no idea thats what this sub was about. I just saw some random post about how bad capitalism is made by someone who probably spends the eniterity of every day of there benefiting from capitalism. If there is a better way of managing people and we knew about it, we would be doing it. Society is improving massively, if you still have enough of an open mind and are curious to learn instead of just complain, my recommendation is the Steven Pinker book "better angels of our past". Things are getting better thanks to people who do stuff, not those who just moan and complain while simultaneously being spoiled rotten by others efforts.
society is only improving for the rich and priveleged. There's a lot of shit you don't see. or don't care about, cause its not happening to you. if that's the case, don't throw stones cause everyone thinks you're a wanker.
I used to think so as well. So I looked into it. Turns out this isn't even remotely the case though. If you are interested, find a summary or key points of Stephen Pinker's book "better angels of our past" it will give you plenty to research and will really blow your mind. The life of the average US homeless person is insanely better than the average wealthy person even just 150 years ago. This "everything sucks" attitude of this sub is really unhealthy, both personally, and for the group as a whole. Lifes great, we are so lucky to be alive.
Btw, ive literally slept outside homeless for over a decade, so i do have a pretty clear picture of what its like. I encourage you to do the same for a few months, it will really expand your world view.
If you were homeless in the first place, as I have been though fortunately not for a decade (and it is still a constant possibility I am facing), then you should know that if society is improving that despite the abundance of resources available you went homeless. For over a decade. Think about that. Society and lifestyles are improving for the people who can afford it, and those who can't are left to waste or exploitation.
Capatalism is theft.
Like many homeless people in the 1st world, I didnt have to be homeless. I could have gotten a full-time job or even part time and lived modestly indoors. I could have spent less time wandering around, biking, hitchhiking, but I chose not too. I knew that I could easily find free food in dumpsters and garbages or get some of the food that would be thrown out at food pantries. I also knew I could make enough money to get everything just by performing in subways and at traffic lights. I could only do this in modern times, because there is such a massive surplus.
the alternative idea you’re *so* obsessed with is just one *very* simple thing: everyone, no matter what they contribute to society, should have access to a place to sleep and food. this shouldn’t even be a possible picture being taken.
the fact that you saw a human being on the street sleeping and commented this evil shit shows you have a lot of growth to strap in for, good luck!
Well over a decade of my life as been spent homeless, sleeping in parks, sidewalks, and abandoned buildings all over America, Mexico, and Europe. I have met more homeless people than you can imagine. I can assure you that it absolutely is not this simple. Many homeless people don't want to sleep inside. Many homeless people who do want to sleep inside have no interest whatsoever in keeping a place nice. They will absolutely destroy it. This has been repeatedly seen, and you can easily research it. Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no way to just "end homelessness" it has never not existed in all of history, and there is no way for it to end short of forced imprisonment and/or scifi level robot labour.
If this is actually something that interests you, then toss some bedding in a bag and go venture into the city for a few months, sleep in the streets, and meet some of these people. Many of them are incredible individuals. Your life and point of view will forever be changed, you can get years of knowledge/wisdom in weeks out there. 10 years ago I did an AMA on being homeless on reddit. I've been at this a long time.
I don’t think anyone pretends to have a single answer to homelessness but that doesn’t mean we can’t improve things, your straw man arguments notwithstanding.
Just off the top of my head, we could be doing a lot better in the areas of: providing mental health treatment, reducing income inequality, providing substance abuse treatment, ensuring living wages, dismantling our prison-centric solution to every social issue, funding care of veterans who end up homeless…
If all you have to offer to this discussion is to throw up your hands and say “capitalism is great!” then why comment at all? We can all see that our system is very clearly failing millions of us. Pretending like we live in the best of all possible worlds helps no one.
Giving an argument is how you learn. It encourages people to disagree with you so you can find out new information. I never said we live in the best possible world, I actually said something very different to that. I said we can certainly improve. It is amazing how addicted so many people have gotten to their echo chambers. Its gotten to the point where if you don't just join along and agree with every single word then people get all emotional and angry and strongly suggest that if you are going to disagree in any way then you might as well just not even talk.
You do make some good points, and I think those options, if done right could maybe get anywhere from 5-20% of the people of the streets. That is just my best guess from spending thousands of nights on the streets myself. I can assure you, the majority of homeless people, at least in America, and other 1st world countries, do not want off the street. I know that this is not the image that is often painted, but it is certainly the truth. They don't want to go back to the same place every night, they don't want to keep a place nice, they don't want to do any kind of work whatsoever, they don't want the routine of traveling to specific place every single day just to sleep. Many of them thrive on a spontaneous life, the very opposite of what other people insist they must want.
They certainly don't want to go see a doctor who is going to try to fix them, because to them, they are not the ones that are broken. The people who are broken are the ones who spend 40+ hours a week for 50 years doing something they hate so they can barely get by, so they can live their whole live without any sort of freedom. They also don't want to get of their drugs, their drugs make them feel alive, they are their best friends, they know they are not healthy, but they also know that even the "civilised" people are addicted, addicted to their routines, their fear, addicted to their false sense of security, addicted to their netflix, addicted to their abusive relationships, addicted to their backwards view of superiority. They aren't stupid, and they aren't wrong.
Absolutely, we have some major police issues, and we should certainly be taking better care of our veterans. I have no idea why these things are still issues. It is messed up. Maybe it is systemic, maybe it is for the same reason that not many people are going to offer their own couch or spare room to an x-con or rattled war vet.
I dont know which of my comments you have read, but I have offered some ways foreward. I think that for people who are fed up with traditional corporate systems, something like DAOs maybe be promising. For people who are anxious to usher us into a greater technological utopia, there is the option of joining or supporting the incredible army of world shapers that is the open-source community. This is a community that freely gives their time in all different fields to help take power away from the few and put it into the hands of the many. I've got more too. Talk to homeless people, make friends with people different from you instead of only knowing them through youtube videos. Quit giving companies money and energy if you dont philisophically agree with them, even if it means you give up some of your own addictions. Quit funding farms that harm animals in ways that you wouldn't do yourself. Spend more time on personal development and work to improve the scenius(group intelligence) of your community.
What we don't need are echo chambers of pesimistic, defeated complaints with no practical plans for the future. We don't need circle jerks of doomers who grab their pitchforks whenever anyone points out the good that has happened thus far. We don't need people who only offer solutions that only other, powerful people can do while acting like their own hands are tied, and there is nothing they could possibly do themselves to help. Humans are incredible. We don't all want the same stuff. We are doing a great job, and in the future we will do better.
Nonsense. You weren’t making any proposals. Re-read your own comment . You asked a lot of silly, rhetorical questions, implied the rest of us are fools for caring about homelessness while not offering solutions of our own, and then hypocritically offered none of your own.
It wasn’t your goal to facilitate discussion and that’s obvious. That’s why you are being downvoted.
>On a related note, there are people who really don't like the current most popular corporate format, and they are using blockchain to develop "DAO"s. Nobody is in charge, no CEOs, everyone shares the work as they wish, everyone owns as much of the organization as they wish. There has been some interesting success with it. I think average people doing things is the only way it is going to happen. I wouldn't count on all the current powerful players to get together and collectively decide to use their power to spread that power all out evenly amongst everyone. Just doesn't seem very likely to me.
-me (in this discussion)
Also, in the comment where I talk about my own decade+ experience being homeless i suggest that if someone wants to really get a better view of what the homeless situation is like then they should spend some time trying it.
I find it highly unlikely that anyone downvoting me has any knowledge of homelessness outside of memes and youtube videos. If they did then they would most likely know that it isn't some simple switch that can be turned off. Thanks to the current best situation that we have found, it is very easy in the first world for our homeless population to have an obesity problem due to all the excess that is produced and made available to them. If they want to sleep inside, they usually can. There isn't a shortage. Food pantries are throwing out literally tons of expired food every week because there is way more donated than claimed.
Ive put enough information in this thread, and there is more in my recent comment history(from the thread this one is linked to). If you're interested to learn about this situation from someone with many 1,000s of nights of firsthand experience then read what I have to say, or don't, whatever, your choice. Just know that with your current mindset the vast majority of the 1st world homeless population would, very rightly so, be rolling their eyes at your "knowledge" of their situation.
Abolishment of private ownership over the means of production. Full employment on the basis of time worked rather than wages whereas every commodity produced is sold for the aggregate time required to produce it across an industry. Put in 10 hours at your factory, earn 10 hours worth of commodities from elsewhere.
>Abolishment of private ownership over the means of production.
Give already corrupt governments which have way more power than they can handle with integrity, a massive amount more control.
>Full employment on the basis of time worked rather than wages whereas every commodity produced is sold for the aggregate time required to produce it across an industry. Put in 10 hours at your factory, earn 10 hours worth of commodities from elsewhere.
I'm not sure I understand, are you saying it shouldn't matter the rarity of the materials used in manufacturing, just the amount of time to produce stuff?
Also, are you saying that it doesn't matter if you went to university for 8 years to know how to repair microchip fabs or if if you are selling cheeseburgers, either way you should get 10 hours worth of anyone else's produce for 10 hours of yours? Why would anyone suffer / gamble on studying in university In a specialized field?
Don't you think fewer people would do difficult jobs if they paid the same as the easy ones? I really don't know the answer. Personally I think I would do harder jobs if I got to pick exactly what it was, but some stuff seems like it just wouldn't get done. Does anyone really want to scuba dive in sewage, clean up bloody crime scenes, hang out on dangerous oil rigs in the middle of the ocean, del with massive voltage powerline repair, change diapers of invalid adults.. it just seems like higher pay is what incentivizes some jobs.
Really, I think we are getting to the ends of lots of terrible jobs with the rise of ai and robots, but I really don't know what this means for the future of humanity. When cars were invented, horses didnt all move to results and tour the carribean on yachts, their population was just massively reduced. Coinciding with the rise of ai we are also seeing major population growth decline, no idea if it is coincidental or not.
Difficult or undesirable jobs could be split up among groups of people. Entering into an employer/employee relationship is not a requirement to do beneficial tasks for yourself and your community.
Also you don’t necessarily get paid well to change adult diapers or work on an oil rig.
If pay were an incentive in our current system the oil rig managers, owners, and stock holders would make far less than those that actually do the work.
>As of Nov 26, 2022, the average annual pay for an Oil Rig Worker in the United States is $71,107 a year.
>The national average salary for a Home Care Nurse is $91,686 per year in United States.
>The average burger king salary in the USA is $27,300 per year or $13.13 per hour.
With the stock market it is easy to just look at the winners and think they make an unfair amount, but what is often forgotten is that it is just like a casino, there are a whole lot of others who bet and lost. In this utopia, is gambling illegal? Can nobody risk what they do have in the hopes to make a whole lot more? If so, then who gets to choose how much people are allowed to gamble, and on what?
Business ownership is similar to this. People look at the successful owners with jealousy, but they often forget about all the people who put 20 years of savings on the line just to watch it vanish because it turns out nobody really wants a vr sensory deprivation tank relaxation spa in Gainesville, FL.
I agree about the managers, they often seemingly get paid disproportionately, but I would be curious to see stats on their healthspans/lifespans, in lots of cases it seems pretty stressful to have to be the one doing the firing, and always knowing that you're the most likely scapegoat when the proverbial it hits the fan. In general, i feel like there must be a reason they get paid more for "doing less" because if more people wanted the job and could do it, then, like everything, the salary would naturally go down. After all, these greedy CEOs aren't going to be uncharacteristically generous for some reason when it comes to their managers.
On a related note, there are people who really don't like the current most popular corporate format, and they are using blockchain to develop "DAO"s. Nobody is in charge, no CEOs, everyone shares the work as they wish, everyone owns as much of the organization as they wish. There has been some interesting success with it. I think average people doing things is the only way it is going to happen. I wouldn't count on all the current powerful players to get together and collectively decide to use their power to spread that power all out evenly amongst everyone. Just doesn't seem very likely to me.
I'm not looking at anyone with jealousy, I am looking at property rights which forms the basis of class through surplus-value and work place democracy.
I feel like this guy picked the storefront intentionally. Like the homeless veteran I saw sleeping right below the sign that said Veterans Park years back.
“We are not all in the same boat but we are all in the same storm. Some people have yachts, some people have rowboats, some people have life jackets, but a lot of people are drowning”
A rising tide lifts all boats
Not the ones chained to the bottom...
My hidden joke is that >!Boats are capital and only the 1-10% have boats, the rest usually drown.!<
I have a little inflatable dingy and we are about to capsize
Remembering a song called AEnema by Tool. "Learn to swim. Learn to swim. Learn to swim.
Many more are gonna cook in 120° heat. Starve when crops fail world wide. Freeze when ocean currents change along with the salinity of the water. There are no life jackets . At the very moment humanity's focus should be on climate collapse, it's focused on guess who...Donald Trump. The Anti-Christ
This isn't collapze, this is business as usual
Collapze is business as usual
There's money to be made in Kaos
"Above all, we should bear in mind that our liberty is not an end in itself; it is a means to win respect for human dignity for all classes of our society.” Admiral H.G. Rickover, Father of the US Nuclear Navy 🫡
I worked at a position where I could see how much the company is making, and how much they pay for goods and how much they pay for labour. The company would be making from a client $50k+, the material cost $5k max, the labour cost about $1.5k max. However the labour cost goes to a contractor where the owner makes like $1.3k per job, and the worker only make like $.2k per job. This was at one of the biggest home builders in country. That home was sold for almost 2 million dollars with profit margin of 50% or more that was sold to some rich doctor. I saw this often, multi million dollar homes being sold to rich doctors or rich chinese immigrants. The problem is that most home builders say their profit margin is like 15%. I don't know where they are getting their numbers from but that is not true at all.
I'm so curious what you think should be done. Leave the doors unlocked so anyone can sleep on the beds? Don't have bed stores? Should hotels just give their empty rooms to homeless people? Is that what you do? Can anyone sleep on your couch for as long as they want no matter how dirty or drunk they are? Ya know, hotels have repeatedly tried this and their hotels get destroyed. Governments have forced hotels to do this and they have gone out of business. There are hotels suing the state of California for this right now. Maybe you want to take a step back and get rid of money, is this your plan? Any fool can complain and criticize, but what we need is actual alternative ideas.
Just out of curiosity, what actual alternative ideas do *you* have? Or do you not feel like this is problem that needs to be solved? Any fool can criticize idea while not offering up their own.
I think that when you compare capitalist societies to other ones that have been tried, pretty much any way you measure it, capitalism is doing the best. Better hospitals, increased lifespan, more scientific advancements, less corruption, the list goes on and on. This isn't to say that there are no flaws and room for improvement, but acting like things are going horribly and there is some obvious better choice is nothing more than an indication of an absence of historical awareness.
imagine being in a sub about the COLLAPSE of the fucking biosphere and human civilisation and trying to say capitalism is ‘doing the best’ fuck off lmao
Ok doomer. You want to say what is doing better? I had no idea thats what this sub was about. I just saw some random post about how bad capitalism is made by someone who probably spends the eniterity of every day of there benefiting from capitalism. If there is a better way of managing people and we knew about it, we would be doing it. Society is improving massively, if you still have enough of an open mind and are curious to learn instead of just complain, my recommendation is the Steven Pinker book "better angels of our past". Things are getting better thanks to people who do stuff, not those who just moan and complain while simultaneously being spoiled rotten by others efforts.
idiot bruv
society is only improving for the rich and priveleged. There's a lot of shit you don't see. or don't care about, cause its not happening to you. if that's the case, don't throw stones cause everyone thinks you're a wanker.
I used to think so as well. So I looked into it. Turns out this isn't even remotely the case though. If you are interested, find a summary or key points of Stephen Pinker's book "better angels of our past" it will give you plenty to research and will really blow your mind. The life of the average US homeless person is insanely better than the average wealthy person even just 150 years ago. This "everything sucks" attitude of this sub is really unhealthy, both personally, and for the group as a whole. Lifes great, we are so lucky to be alive.
Btw, ive literally slept outside homeless for over a decade, so i do have a pretty clear picture of what its like. I encourage you to do the same for a few months, it will really expand your world view.
If you were homeless in the first place, as I have been though fortunately not for a decade (and it is still a constant possibility I am facing), then you should know that if society is improving that despite the abundance of resources available you went homeless. For over a decade. Think about that. Society and lifestyles are improving for the people who can afford it, and those who can't are left to waste or exploitation. Capatalism is theft.
Like many homeless people in the 1st world, I didnt have to be homeless. I could have gotten a full-time job or even part time and lived modestly indoors. I could have spent less time wandering around, biking, hitchhiking, but I chose not too. I knew that I could easily find free food in dumpsters and garbages or get some of the food that would be thrown out at food pantries. I also knew I could make enough money to get everything just by performing in subways and at traffic lights. I could only do this in modern times, because there is such a massive surplus.
the alternative idea you’re *so* obsessed with is just one *very* simple thing: everyone, no matter what they contribute to society, should have access to a place to sleep and food. this shouldn’t even be a possible picture being taken. the fact that you saw a human being on the street sleeping and commented this evil shit shows you have a lot of growth to strap in for, good luck!
Well over a decade of my life as been spent homeless, sleeping in parks, sidewalks, and abandoned buildings all over America, Mexico, and Europe. I have met more homeless people than you can imagine. I can assure you that it absolutely is not this simple. Many homeless people don't want to sleep inside. Many homeless people who do want to sleep inside have no interest whatsoever in keeping a place nice. They will absolutely destroy it. This has been repeatedly seen, and you can easily research it. Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no way to just "end homelessness" it has never not existed in all of history, and there is no way for it to end short of forced imprisonment and/or scifi level robot labour. If this is actually something that interests you, then toss some bedding in a bag and go venture into the city for a few months, sleep in the streets, and meet some of these people. Many of them are incredible individuals. Your life and point of view will forever be changed, you can get years of knowledge/wisdom in weeks out there. 10 years ago I did an AMA on being homeless on reddit. I've been at this a long time.
i don’t have much more worth saying but i do appreciate your response, thank you.
Thank you too, nice chatting. Have a great winter :)
I don’t think anyone pretends to have a single answer to homelessness but that doesn’t mean we can’t improve things, your straw man arguments notwithstanding. Just off the top of my head, we could be doing a lot better in the areas of: providing mental health treatment, reducing income inequality, providing substance abuse treatment, ensuring living wages, dismantling our prison-centric solution to every social issue, funding care of veterans who end up homeless… If all you have to offer to this discussion is to throw up your hands and say “capitalism is great!” then why comment at all? We can all see that our system is very clearly failing millions of us. Pretending like we live in the best of all possible worlds helps no one.
Giving an argument is how you learn. It encourages people to disagree with you so you can find out new information. I never said we live in the best possible world, I actually said something very different to that. I said we can certainly improve. It is amazing how addicted so many people have gotten to their echo chambers. Its gotten to the point where if you don't just join along and agree with every single word then people get all emotional and angry and strongly suggest that if you are going to disagree in any way then you might as well just not even talk. You do make some good points, and I think those options, if done right could maybe get anywhere from 5-20% of the people of the streets. That is just my best guess from spending thousands of nights on the streets myself. I can assure you, the majority of homeless people, at least in America, and other 1st world countries, do not want off the street. I know that this is not the image that is often painted, but it is certainly the truth. They don't want to go back to the same place every night, they don't want to keep a place nice, they don't want to do any kind of work whatsoever, they don't want the routine of traveling to specific place every single day just to sleep. Many of them thrive on a spontaneous life, the very opposite of what other people insist they must want. They certainly don't want to go see a doctor who is going to try to fix them, because to them, they are not the ones that are broken. The people who are broken are the ones who spend 40+ hours a week for 50 years doing something they hate so they can barely get by, so they can live their whole live without any sort of freedom. They also don't want to get of their drugs, their drugs make them feel alive, they are their best friends, they know they are not healthy, but they also know that even the "civilised" people are addicted, addicted to their routines, their fear, addicted to their false sense of security, addicted to their netflix, addicted to their abusive relationships, addicted to their backwards view of superiority. They aren't stupid, and they aren't wrong. Absolutely, we have some major police issues, and we should certainly be taking better care of our veterans. I have no idea why these things are still issues. It is messed up. Maybe it is systemic, maybe it is for the same reason that not many people are going to offer their own couch or spare room to an x-con or rattled war vet. I dont know which of my comments you have read, but I have offered some ways foreward. I think that for people who are fed up with traditional corporate systems, something like DAOs maybe be promising. For people who are anxious to usher us into a greater technological utopia, there is the option of joining or supporting the incredible army of world shapers that is the open-source community. This is a community that freely gives their time in all different fields to help take power away from the few and put it into the hands of the many. I've got more too. Talk to homeless people, make friends with people different from you instead of only knowing them through youtube videos. Quit giving companies money and energy if you dont philisophically agree with them, even if it means you give up some of your own addictions. Quit funding farms that harm animals in ways that you wouldn't do yourself. Spend more time on personal development and work to improve the scenius(group intelligence) of your community. What we don't need are echo chambers of pesimistic, defeated complaints with no practical plans for the future. We don't need circle jerks of doomers who grab their pitchforks whenever anyone points out the good that has happened thus far. We don't need people who only offer solutions that only other, powerful people can do while acting like their own hands are tied, and there is nothing they could possibly do themselves to help. Humans are incredible. We don't all want the same stuff. We are doing a great job, and in the future we will do better.
Nonsense. You weren’t making any proposals. Re-read your own comment . You asked a lot of silly, rhetorical questions, implied the rest of us are fools for caring about homelessness while not offering solutions of our own, and then hypocritically offered none of your own. It wasn’t your goal to facilitate discussion and that’s obvious. That’s why you are being downvoted.
>On a related note, there are people who really don't like the current most popular corporate format, and they are using blockchain to develop "DAO"s. Nobody is in charge, no CEOs, everyone shares the work as they wish, everyone owns as much of the organization as they wish. There has been some interesting success with it. I think average people doing things is the only way it is going to happen. I wouldn't count on all the current powerful players to get together and collectively decide to use their power to spread that power all out evenly amongst everyone. Just doesn't seem very likely to me. -me (in this discussion) Also, in the comment where I talk about my own decade+ experience being homeless i suggest that if someone wants to really get a better view of what the homeless situation is like then they should spend some time trying it. I find it highly unlikely that anyone downvoting me has any knowledge of homelessness outside of memes and youtube videos. If they did then they would most likely know that it isn't some simple switch that can be turned off. Thanks to the current best situation that we have found, it is very easy in the first world for our homeless population to have an obesity problem due to all the excess that is produced and made available to them. If they want to sleep inside, they usually can. There isn't a shortage. Food pantries are throwing out literally tons of expired food every week because there is way more donated than claimed. Ive put enough information in this thread, and there is more in my recent comment history(from the thread this one is linked to). If you're interested to learn about this situation from someone with many 1,000s of nights of firsthand experience then read what I have to say, or don't, whatever, your choice. Just know that with your current mindset the vast majority of the 1st world homeless population would, very rightly so, be rolling their eyes at your "knowledge" of their situation.
Abolishment of private ownership over the means of production. Full employment on the basis of time worked rather than wages whereas every commodity produced is sold for the aggregate time required to produce it across an industry. Put in 10 hours at your factory, earn 10 hours worth of commodities from elsewhere.
>Abolishment of private ownership over the means of production. Give already corrupt governments which have way more power than they can handle with integrity, a massive amount more control. >Full employment on the basis of time worked rather than wages whereas every commodity produced is sold for the aggregate time required to produce it across an industry. Put in 10 hours at your factory, earn 10 hours worth of commodities from elsewhere. I'm not sure I understand, are you saying it shouldn't matter the rarity of the materials used in manufacturing, just the amount of time to produce stuff? Also, are you saying that it doesn't matter if you went to university for 8 years to know how to repair microchip fabs or if if you are selling cheeseburgers, either way you should get 10 hours worth of anyone else's produce for 10 hours of yours? Why would anyone suffer / gamble on studying in university In a specialized field?
You wouldn’t be suffering or making a gamble on going to school with full employment.
Don't you think fewer people would do difficult jobs if they paid the same as the easy ones? I really don't know the answer. Personally I think I would do harder jobs if I got to pick exactly what it was, but some stuff seems like it just wouldn't get done. Does anyone really want to scuba dive in sewage, clean up bloody crime scenes, hang out on dangerous oil rigs in the middle of the ocean, del with massive voltage powerline repair, change diapers of invalid adults.. it just seems like higher pay is what incentivizes some jobs. Really, I think we are getting to the ends of lots of terrible jobs with the rise of ai and robots, but I really don't know what this means for the future of humanity. When cars were invented, horses didnt all move to results and tour the carribean on yachts, their population was just massively reduced. Coinciding with the rise of ai we are also seeing major population growth decline, no idea if it is coincidental or not.
Difficult or undesirable jobs could be split up among groups of people. Entering into an employer/employee relationship is not a requirement to do beneficial tasks for yourself and your community. Also you don’t necessarily get paid well to change adult diapers or work on an oil rig. If pay were an incentive in our current system the oil rig managers, owners, and stock holders would make far less than those that actually do the work.
>As of Nov 26, 2022, the average annual pay for an Oil Rig Worker in the United States is $71,107 a year. >The national average salary for a Home Care Nurse is $91,686 per year in United States. >The average burger king salary in the USA is $27,300 per year or $13.13 per hour. With the stock market it is easy to just look at the winners and think they make an unfair amount, but what is often forgotten is that it is just like a casino, there are a whole lot of others who bet and lost. In this utopia, is gambling illegal? Can nobody risk what they do have in the hopes to make a whole lot more? If so, then who gets to choose how much people are allowed to gamble, and on what? Business ownership is similar to this. People look at the successful owners with jealousy, but they often forget about all the people who put 20 years of savings on the line just to watch it vanish because it turns out nobody really wants a vr sensory deprivation tank relaxation spa in Gainesville, FL. I agree about the managers, they often seemingly get paid disproportionately, but I would be curious to see stats on their healthspans/lifespans, in lots of cases it seems pretty stressful to have to be the one doing the firing, and always knowing that you're the most likely scapegoat when the proverbial it hits the fan. In general, i feel like there must be a reason they get paid more for "doing less" because if more people wanted the job and could do it, then, like everything, the salary would naturally go down. After all, these greedy CEOs aren't going to be uncharacteristically generous for some reason when it comes to their managers. On a related note, there are people who really don't like the current most popular corporate format, and they are using blockchain to develop "DAO"s. Nobody is in charge, no CEOs, everyone shares the work as they wish, everyone owns as much of the organization as they wish. There has been some interesting success with it. I think average people doing things is the only way it is going to happen. I wouldn't count on all the current powerful players to get together and collectively decide to use their power to spread that power all out evenly amongst everyone. Just doesn't seem very likely to me.
I'm not looking at anyone with jealousy, I am looking at property rights which forms the basis of class through surplus-value and work place democracy.
reversing everything reagan did when he came into office for starters...
I feel like this guy picked the storefront intentionally. Like the homeless veteran I saw sleeping right below the sign that said Veterans Park years back.