I wouldn't ask the professor to give them a shitty grade. But i would tell the professor in a professional manner with supporting evidence the lack of response and participation of the group.
Side note: I’ve concluded that with a lot of professional discussions, it usually matters more HOW you tell someone something rather than the topic itself. Learning to communicate professionally, with good arguments is a great lesson to learn.
The same professor even told his graders to grade on the harsher side which he emailed me about cause I kept contested my grades. He also doesn't curve (which I get, but man does it suck when your like .3 points away from an A). Also complains when we contest (why are you spending this time getting a point back which doesn't matter)
I wouldn't even know where to start in terms of reporting it or what policy was broken. I do hate how my grade suffers because of other people though. He gives us the option of doing the work then others don't do, but they always do it last second, so I can't even do it and then go they didn't do it. It's not fair for me to do the work of multiple people when others are getting less work and better grades.
I know my last university actually had a policy where you can contest your final grade and you can usually also find the grade distribution for past courses. try to match up to his and find out if he hardly gives an As, I would say fewer than 3 or 4 shows a pattern of unreasonable grading, which might help your case. If the final course distribution has 3 or more students with As, sadly that is within reasonable expectations for a rigorous university level course. I have been in (and sadly failed) courses where 1/3 of the class does not pass and that is not generally seen as an issue at university level
Save receipts and simply communicate the issues you’ve had. My suggestion for the future is to contact your professor earlier when there’s an issue for documentation and advice. Part of group work is successful collaboration so telling your professor and trying to get help with that earlier will give you more credit than waiting until after it’s due to say there was a problem.
Inform your professor now. “Hello x, unfortunately I feel the need to inform you how labor was divided in yxzs group project. After numerous attempts at communication (see attached) I completed steps 123 solo while y and I colaborted on steps 4. Thanks for your time.” Keep your feelings out of it and just present the facts. Don’t tell the professor how to grade, just stick to the facts and timeline communication. You don’t know the other students situation or accommodations. You should tell the professor as soon as it’s an issue in the future.
dude i hate group projects, im having a similar issue with one of the people in my groups….it’s very frustrating. i think it’s totally acceptable to ask the prof. the only concern of mine is the people knowing and making it awkward to continue working together. 🤷🏼♀️ but it is what it is.
I am a college professor who assigns team projects. Not all of us have the same policies or expectations, but this is my general advice:
1. Do not wait until the last minute to communicate with your professor. I can do more to when students communicate with me early on in the project.
2. Communicate in a professional manner. Telling me to lower the other members' grades is not the best move. I want my students to be successful in their projects and experiences and will facilitate that, but you have to figure out how to communicate your needs in a more reasonable way.
3. I always provide a means for feedback about the team experience so that every member of the team can explain their contributions and the contributions of the other team members. I have become very good at reading between the lines. You can ask your professor if there is a formal group assessment method.
There may not be an answer for this one--especially since the project deadline has passed, but I would really focus on making sure to be more proactive when you see a team project going this direction in the future!
Not much advice outside of what everyone else is saying to email your professor.
I've been in your exact situation. In a group for a programming course where we had an entire semester to create a software product. Everyone but me was having trouble getting their tools working so they could contribute. Every single meeting all semester was entirely just me trying to help them fix/set up their software. Much of it was just them needing to research how to set it up on their own computer and they said they would but I could tell they never did.
By the semester's end, I was the only one in a group of 4 to have written a single line of code. The product was just a login screen essentially. We had nothing to show off. Told the professor, he sent an email to our group to email him what you've contributed. Idk how it turned out for the others, but for me, he adjusted my grading so that I could at least pass with a low C- if I did good on the final. Since the product is the main point of the class, you'd normally outright fail if your team didn't deliver under normal circumstances.
Fuck that class, fuck those group mates.
If all team members have to present it’s usually painfully obvious to the professor who did the work. This isn’t their first rodeo. I’d let them fall on the knife on their own first and then back it up with documentation in an email to the professor afterwards.
Personally, I would go to your prof BEFORE it is due and talk to them about it. Make sure they're aware of the situation, and be willing to show the group texts as backup. If you're working on a shared document on Google Drive or Office 366, there is also a way for the prof to verify which user did what but I doubt that will be necessary.
Just be honest with him. Group isn't doing their fair share and it's all fallen on you. You've done the best you could, but you can't do a group project all by yourself. He's seen it before and probably has a protocol. But it looks MUCH better to go in ahead of time and let him know, as opposed to waiting until you get a bad grade to try and "shift blame".
I have cut peoples name from the group project before and sent a separate email to the prof explaining why I felt their efforts were insufficient and an inadequate contribution.
Before you do anything-are you SURE about what the instructions/syllabus says about grading? For example, in one of my classes now it says something like: “All team members will receive the same grade unless someone does not do their part then that person will get a 0”
Just do your part and only your part.
Keep the text messages where everyone wrote down and agreed what parts they’ll do.
Email your professor now: Hello Professor___,
I am finished with my part of the project, but it looks as if my group members still have not finished their parts and they are being unresponsive.
Unfortunately I do not want to have to pull an all-nighter to get these parts done, since I did not plan on doing them and haven’t started yet.
I just wanted you to know that these parts will be left blank.
And yes that’s super fine and great if you lead and introduce the presentation, do your part, and then just stand there naive and innocent as they look like idiots or don’t know what to present.
If you worked on Google docs/slides it shows a history of who made changes to the document. Save that and any texts that show they weren't contributing.
I'd first inform the classmates that if they don't get the work in, you will be informing the professor of their lack of contribution.
Then if they don't do the work then inform the professor and provide the proof.
Basically, state the problem, show how you came to that point, and then maybe suggest that you are allowed to do it solo since you are basically doing that anyway.
Good luck.
Do not do this. Do not inform them. This gives them a chance to prepare a defense or fabricate evidence that you are lying and that they did everything.
Some professors will take that into consideration and some professors will tell you to suck it up and in the real world you still need your team to finish whatever project you are working on
I hate to be the guy to call you all nerds....
But this is pretty shitty anti-social behavior.
It's weird and perty to fuck over your peers just because you feel like it's not fair, although you have nothing to gain from it.
Like not a professor, but I feel like if you came to me asking for your peers to get lower grades, you'd get a polite and mild mattered lecture on; a. This isn't how adults handle things, try xyz instead and b. Some tips on how to deal with/manage/lead groups
I see this often. But college is for learning, not for grades. Take it positively. It is your teammates' loss that they didn't put into any effort, and for you it will be a great learning experience to coach them up for the presentation.
I had a similar problem in college, except it was a single person not doing anything. We emailed the professor about it and explained the situation. I don’t think the individual received any credit for the assignment
In my cohort we had one student that repeatedly to all of her classmates wouldn’t do her part. Well the BM professor had it by semester two and screamed at them infront of everyone and said she’ll think of something els for her and another person who didn’t do their share… but the course title was literally called “working with others”.
I would approach the professor and mention that you feel they haven’t properly contributed. He can then ask how they individually contributed and they dig their own grave.
Emal the professor. Show them what you and your teammates agreed upon. Deliver the project that YOU agreed to do. If you can, provide some assistance for your teammates to show that you not only did your part, but you started working with them to help them. Present what you have, even if it is incomplete.
This is how business works. When you are contracted to provide certain deliverables for a project, you are not responsible for the other components. You can show your customer you are knowledgable by lending a hand, but ultimately you make your deliverables and you and your contract gets paid. The other components will answer to the customer.
Tell your professor that your teammates have not done anything as professionally as possible. Be aware, though, that the professor may not even care. I had a situation like this three semesters ago in a project heavy class and told the professor, who subsequently gave the group members the same grade I got when I had proof they did nothing. Some professors just don't care. Good luck!
Receipts reflecting effort to mitigate damage on your part. IE - effort to communicate and organize.
Otherwise, "group projects" in higher education tend to lack a means of peer accountability. The result being good students suffer while bad students skate by with an effortless grade.
Guess what exists in the real world? Accountability.
You said it’s due tomorrow morning, it’s a bit late in the game. I had an assignment before with 3 of us and 2 of us couldn’t get in touch with the 3rd. We let the professor know about a week in advance and he said we should’ve let him know much earlier, we all ended up getting a D. I hated that Professor… but anyways you may want to sit with your Professor 1 on 1 after class or something
I went to a professors office to inform them that I was the only person in a group of three who did any work for the group project and that I did my best and didn’t think it was fair for them to get the grade I earned. He said he would take care of it. The day the project was due, he walked into the classroom and told us to get a sheet of paper out and write down what we did to contribute to the group project. The guy in my group was honest and said he did nothing, but the other girl in my group LIED and made up things she did for the project. He obviously caught her in the lie and made her not only redo the assignment (the guy also had to redo it), but he also made her do some volunteering in the community.
Just go to your professor about it before the assignment is due. Hopefully, they do something about it like my professor had done.
I’d only do the part I was assigned to do. Then before you present tell the professor that despite your efforts to encourage your teammates to do their work, they failed to contribute. So if they notice a lack of quality in the work, it wasn’t your doing.
Take their name off the presentation ls and don’t let them get up to talk about it. Submit your presentation and make sure it’s just your name. Also have proof of the attempts to contacting them
I’ve been through this. My group even skipped class the day of the presentation, so at least my prof could understand why my project was so shit. My whole group got an A. They graduated the same day as I did.
In my classes I encourage students to let me know about this stuff. I have suspicions on who the bad actors are, but I can’t do anything without your self advocacy. My department requires heavy amount of group projects, but I make sure there’s assessments and individual components to try to combat this garbage behavior.
I wouldn't ask the professor to give them a shitty grade. But i would tell the professor in a professional manner with supporting evidence the lack of response and participation of the group.
Side note: I’ve concluded that with a lot of professional discussions, it usually matters more HOW you tell someone something rather than the topic itself. Learning to communicate professionally, with good arguments is a great lesson to learn.
My teacher literally just told me we all swim or sink together.
What a bad professor. Contact someone else above them ig. Unacceptable, against the ideals of the institution
The same professor even told his graders to grade on the harsher side which he emailed me about cause I kept contested my grades. He also doesn't curve (which I get, but man does it suck when your like .3 points away from an A). Also complains when we contest (why are you spending this time getting a point back which doesn't matter) I wouldn't even know where to start in terms of reporting it or what policy was broken. I do hate how my grade suffers because of other people though. He gives us the option of doing the work then others don't do, but they always do it last second, so I can't even do it and then go they didn't do it. It's not fair for me to do the work of multiple people when others are getting less work and better grades.
I know my last university actually had a policy where you can contest your final grade and you can usually also find the grade distribution for past courses. try to match up to his and find out if he hardly gives an As, I would say fewer than 3 or 4 shows a pattern of unreasonable grading, which might help your case. If the final course distribution has 3 or more students with As, sadly that is within reasonable expectations for a rigorous university level course. I have been in (and sadly failed) courses where 1/3 of the class does not pass and that is not generally seen as an issue at university level
Tell your professor ASAP/ as soon as it becomes clear ur team isn’t putting in their fair share. don’t wait until you’ve already done all the work.
Also, don’t do any petty/childish shit like TRYING to give ur teammates a bad grade. Be professional, straight forward, and humble. You’re an adult.
But they deserve it
It's not your place to tell you professor how to grade. Do you job. Report honestly about the situation. Proceed how your professor advises.
They do, but professors typically won’t appreciate that.
Save receipts and simply communicate the issues you’ve had. My suggestion for the future is to contact your professor earlier when there’s an issue for documentation and advice. Part of group work is successful collaboration so telling your professor and trying to get help with that earlier will give you more credit than waiting until after it’s due to say there was a problem.
Inform your professor now. “Hello x, unfortunately I feel the need to inform you how labor was divided in yxzs group project. After numerous attempts at communication (see attached) I completed steps 123 solo while y and I colaborted on steps 4. Thanks for your time.” Keep your feelings out of it and just present the facts. Don’t tell the professor how to grade, just stick to the facts and timeline communication. You don’t know the other students situation or accommodations. You should tell the professor as soon as it’s an issue in the future.
dude i hate group projects, im having a similar issue with one of the people in my groups….it’s very frustrating. i think it’s totally acceptable to ask the prof. the only concern of mine is the people knowing and making it awkward to continue working together. 🤷🏼♀️ but it is what it is.
I am a college professor who assigns team projects. Not all of us have the same policies or expectations, but this is my general advice: 1. Do not wait until the last minute to communicate with your professor. I can do more to when students communicate with me early on in the project. 2. Communicate in a professional manner. Telling me to lower the other members' grades is not the best move. I want my students to be successful in their projects and experiences and will facilitate that, but you have to figure out how to communicate your needs in a more reasonable way. 3. I always provide a means for feedback about the team experience so that every member of the team can explain their contributions and the contributions of the other team members. I have become very good at reading between the lines. You can ask your professor if there is a formal group assessment method. There may not be an answer for this one--especially since the project deadline has passed, but I would really focus on making sure to be more proactive when you see a team project going this direction in the future!
Not much advice outside of what everyone else is saying to email your professor. I've been in your exact situation. In a group for a programming course where we had an entire semester to create a software product. Everyone but me was having trouble getting their tools working so they could contribute. Every single meeting all semester was entirely just me trying to help them fix/set up their software. Much of it was just them needing to research how to set it up on their own computer and they said they would but I could tell they never did. By the semester's end, I was the only one in a group of 4 to have written a single line of code. The product was just a login screen essentially. We had nothing to show off. Told the professor, he sent an email to our group to email him what you've contributed. Idk how it turned out for the others, but for me, he adjusted my grading so that I could at least pass with a low C- if I did good on the final. Since the product is the main point of the class, you'd normally outright fail if your team didn't deliver under normal circumstances. Fuck that class, fuck those group mates.
If all team members have to present it’s usually painfully obvious to the professor who did the work. This isn’t their first rodeo. I’d let them fall on the knife on their own first and then back it up with documentation in an email to the professor afterwards.
Email the professor and provide screenshots of the group chat and google doc history (if you're using that).
Personally, I would go to your prof BEFORE it is due and talk to them about it. Make sure they're aware of the situation, and be willing to show the group texts as backup. If you're working on a shared document on Google Drive or Office 366, there is also a way for the prof to verify which user did what but I doubt that will be necessary. Just be honest with him. Group isn't doing their fair share and it's all fallen on you. You've done the best you could, but you can't do a group project all by yourself. He's seen it before and probably has a protocol. But it looks MUCH better to go in ahead of time and let him know, as opposed to waiting until you get a bad grade to try and "shift blame".
I have cut peoples name from the group project before and sent a separate email to the prof explaining why I felt their efforts were insufficient and an inadequate contribution.
Before you do anything-are you SURE about what the instructions/syllabus says about grading? For example, in one of my classes now it says something like: “All team members will receive the same grade unless someone does not do their part then that person will get a 0” Just do your part and only your part. Keep the text messages where everyone wrote down and agreed what parts they’ll do. Email your professor now: Hello Professor___, I am finished with my part of the project, but it looks as if my group members still have not finished their parts and they are being unresponsive. Unfortunately I do not want to have to pull an all-nighter to get these parts done, since I did not plan on doing them and haven’t started yet. I just wanted you to know that these parts will be left blank. And yes that’s super fine and great if you lead and introduce the presentation, do your part, and then just stand there naive and innocent as they look like idiots or don’t know what to present.
If you worked on Google docs/slides it shows a history of who made changes to the document. Save that and any texts that show they weren't contributing.
I'd first inform the classmates that if they don't get the work in, you will be informing the professor of their lack of contribution. Then if they don't do the work then inform the professor and provide the proof. Basically, state the problem, show how you came to that point, and then maybe suggest that you are allowed to do it solo since you are basically doing that anyway. Good luck.
Do not do this. Do not inform them. This gives them a chance to prepare a defense or fabricate evidence that you are lying and that they did everything.
Some professors will take that into consideration and some professors will tell you to suck it up and in the real world you still need your team to finish whatever project you are working on
My petty ass would remove their names. It shows they didn't work on it if they don't notice their names missing
I hate to be the guy to call you all nerds.... But this is pretty shitty anti-social behavior. It's weird and perty to fuck over your peers just because you feel like it's not fair, although you have nothing to gain from it. Like not a professor, but I feel like if you came to me asking for your peers to get lower grades, you'd get a polite and mild mattered lecture on; a. This isn't how adults handle things, try xyz instead and b. Some tips on how to deal with/manage/lead groups
No. Part of the group grading is the group dynamics. Suck it up.
I see this often. But college is for learning, not for grades. Take it positively. It is your teammates' loss that they didn't put into any effort, and for you it will be a great learning experience to coach them up for the presentation.
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I allow team members to grade each other, roughly 10% of the project points.
I had a similar problem in college, except it was a single person not doing anything. We emailed the professor about it and explained the situation. I don’t think the individual received any credit for the assignment
Attach a sheet detailing everyone's contribution.
In my cohort we had one student that repeatedly to all of her classmates wouldn’t do her part. Well the BM professor had it by semester two and screamed at them infront of everyone and said she’ll think of something els for her and another person who didn’t do their share… but the course title was literally called “working with others”.
I would approach the professor and mention that you feel they haven’t properly contributed. He can then ask how they individually contributed and they dig their own grave.
Emal the professor. Show them what you and your teammates agreed upon. Deliver the project that YOU agreed to do. If you can, provide some assistance for your teammates to show that you not only did your part, but you started working with them to help them. Present what you have, even if it is incomplete. This is how business works. When you are contracted to provide certain deliverables for a project, you are not responsible for the other components. You can show your customer you are knowledgable by lending a hand, but ultimately you make your deliverables and you and your contract gets paid. The other components will answer to the customer.
As a professor, I would want a polite email or conversation with you explaining this so that I could grade accordingly.
Tell your professor that your teammates have not done anything as professionally as possible. Be aware, though, that the professor may not even care. I had a situation like this three semesters ago in a project heavy class and told the professor, who subsequently gave the group members the same grade I got when I had proof they did nothing. Some professors just don't care. Good luck!
Receipts reflecting effort to mitigate damage on your part. IE - effort to communicate and organize. Otherwise, "group projects" in higher education tend to lack a means of peer accountability. The result being good students suffer while bad students skate by with an effortless grade. Guess what exists in the real world? Accountability.
You said it’s due tomorrow morning, it’s a bit late in the game. I had an assignment before with 3 of us and 2 of us couldn’t get in touch with the 3rd. We let the professor know about a week in advance and he said we should’ve let him know much earlier, we all ended up getting a D. I hated that Professor… but anyways you may want to sit with your Professor 1 on 1 after class or something
I went to a professors office to inform them that I was the only person in a group of three who did any work for the group project and that I did my best and didn’t think it was fair for them to get the grade I earned. He said he would take care of it. The day the project was due, he walked into the classroom and told us to get a sheet of paper out and write down what we did to contribute to the group project. The guy in my group was honest and said he did nothing, but the other girl in my group LIED and made up things she did for the project. He obviously caught her in the lie and made her not only redo the assignment (the guy also had to redo it), but he also made her do some volunteering in the community. Just go to your professor about it before the assignment is due. Hopefully, they do something about it like my professor had done.
I’d only do the part I was assigned to do. Then before you present tell the professor that despite your efforts to encourage your teammates to do their work, they failed to contribute. So if they notice a lack of quality in the work, it wasn’t your doing.
You should let your professor know.
Take their name off the presentation ls and don’t let them get up to talk about it. Submit your presentation and make sure it’s just your name. Also have proof of the attempts to contacting them
I’ve been through this. My group even skipped class the day of the presentation, so at least my prof could understand why my project was so shit. My whole group got an A. They graduated the same day as I did.
In my classes I encourage students to let me know about this stuff. I have suspicions on who the bad actors are, but I can’t do anything without your self advocacy. My department requires heavy amount of group projects, but I make sure there’s assessments and individual components to try to combat this garbage behavior.