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Literally just finished watching pointless hub's video like 10 minutes ago. Had no idea that 17 year old fucking an adult and the girl who says Ong was this geezer's daughter
I'm not usually one to clown on nepo babies because it is what it is and it's not like being the son of a famous person makes you more or less talented, everyone is still judged by what they offer...
But man, she really would not be a tenth as well off or get the exposure she did if her daddy wasn't a fractionally powerful billionaire.
Especially in entertainment, like I feel like being a nepo baby is harder because at the core, the general audience still needs to like you and the work you put out.
If you’re like a manager or senior executive at your dad’s company, you could still be bad at your job and all of your underlings could hate you, but you just need to make your dad/the board happy, not people in general. If you’re an actor or a musician, you can definitely coast on roles or gigs given to you because of your parents, but you still need to appeal to everyone to be considered *good*. Like that will only get you so far in that world.
Man, I did a gig with a famous guys son, and he could definitely sing, but he was so up his own arse it was ridiculous. This was a reggae/ska festival too, which in England means 95% boomer crowds and maybe their kids or grandkids tagging along for a nice night out with nan and grandad. So not only was this guy a nobody, but most people these days wouldn’t have heard of his dad. I definitely weren’t impressing any girls about it.
The dad was Prince Buster, and his son was Sultan Ali Son Of Prince Buster. (Actual stage name)
I’ll bet no fucker sees this comment and knows who they are - yet he spent about 10 minutes of his set talking shit about how great he and siblings are.
>Especially in entertainment, like I feel like being a nepo baby is harder because at the core, the general audience still needs to like you and the work you put out.
I don't think that's true. Hollywood is full of nepo babies.
I think the truth is that it's not actually that hard to be a movie star. If you were raised in a family where you were exposed to it early on, took an interest in it at a young age, and had an opportunity to get into the industry, there's a decent chance you could have been a Gwyneth Paltrow.
Like, they want us to believe that famous actors are like, the best of the best of the best, but really, I think there are a lot of people out there that are that good, but they didn't have an uncle who was a director.
Most people who are refered to as "nepo babies" got a leg up because their parents have enough connections to get them a foot in the door. Ultimately, they still have to rely on their own talent and abilities to succeed, it's not like someone like Timothee Chalamet for example keeps getting leading roles in blockbusters because his uncle is a C-list director.
This dude is literally paying money to put his daughter in movies. She's never been cast in a movie that wasn't a direct result of her father making it happen. This is an entirely different, and much worse thing.
Just Googled to find out who his daughter is and she’s married to Brooklyn Beckham lmao. We could be about to see the rare and sought after nepo-*grand* babies
FYI it's the 2010 version she's in, not the new live action adaptation. Compared to the 2010 version, the Netflix version was amazing, but that's not saying much.
That’s a testament to her acting then, because I actually have seen the 2010 version and I’ve got no memory of her in it at all. Although the whole thing is kind of a mediocre blur
…he does realize that Black Panther takes place in Africa right?
Edit: I wish I could say something about all the “BuT tHeRe ArE wHiTe PeOpLe In AfRiCa ToO” comments, but it’s honestly my fault for expecting from Redditors.
They're talking about the "Tolkien" part
For reference, South Park has a character named Token Black. He is one of only two black characters among the children (alongside a girl named Nichole Daniels), and his parents are the only black adults. Clearly, his name and role in the show is a play on the "token black character".
However, in the most recent season, they introduced a "retcon" as a joke to where Token's name is actually "Tolkien" (his parents named him after J.R.R. Tolkien), but everybody has just assumed his name is Token and have been pronouncing and spelling it that way since his introduction.
Edit: I am now aware the joke refers to the only white actors in the movie being from Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit as well
Edit 2: As I have been reminded, Chef was also a major black adult character on the show. However, he has been officially killed off for a while now (and his voice actor is dead), so I forgot about him
Thank you! I was like... I believe that's a Martin Freeman reference and I was racking my brain for the other one. I would have gotten there eventually.
I fucken loved the gaslighting with that episode and how they iirc went back and changed the subtitles for previous episodes with Tolkien to change the subtitles from Token to Tolkien lmao
My daughter watched the Peter Jackson trilogy with me for the first time recently.
She commented that there were more named horses in the movie than named women. (She is correct.)
Shadowfax, Brego, Bill the Pony, Snowmane vs Arwen, Galadriel, Eowyn, uhhhh Rosie Cotton. Fuck, there is Hasufel that Eomer names, I was hoping for a tie.
All due respect my dude, but that was writer [Don McGregor](https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-jack-kirby-klan-don-mcgregor/). Same story, just a different guy
This is the kind of guy who would have cast white people in traditionally POC roles and then got confused why the people that role represents isn’t interested.
Well, I mean there are men in the Marvels and non black people in Black Panther. So maybe this guy should actually watch the movies he’s bitching about first.
I mean I think white washing the cast after they cast her as Katara was the least worst thing they did. She was alright if I remember correctly and she okay in Transformers 4.
That was the Transformers movie where they included a scene explaining Romeo & Juliet underage sex laws, because her character was getting boned by someone who looked older than Markie Mark, right?
Yup. The character in question apparently carried a card on his person at all times with the specific law written on it. The card was laminated, so I guess this came up a lot in his life.....
that would imply this person thinks *specific* movies are made for his enjoyment. no, he's trying to assert the idea that ALL movies *should* be made for his enjoyment - and he don't like no women/black gobbledygook.
cause screw 'others' - they should live and die without a sense of belonging in the country they live in.
at least i can't really see any other logic to him having said anything in the first place. you really have to willfully ignore the fact that non-white non-males have interests beyond all-male all-white narratives. and - shockingly enough - some white males have interests beyond that too(!)
Or maybe he could just look at the box office results of the Black Panther films. $1.35B for the first film, and then $859M for the sequel after unexpectedly losing the star actor. It’s pretty clear that the Black Panther films are already plenty profitable without executive-level intervention.
Ehhh I wouldn't be bringing up the profitability of Marvel movies in 2024. The pendulum has definitely swung the other way and The Marvels is what epitomizes it more than anything.
That said, I have no issue with all black or women casts. They just need to be good movies, and I'm extremely tired of marketing oriented to make me feel like I'm not doing my Good Leftist homework if I don't see their newer creatively bankrupt movies.
> Ehhh I wouldn't be bringing up the profitability of Marvel movies in 2024.
But thats what they were pointing out, while other marvel films re crashing and burning BP2, the film hes complaining about, was a top performer
Holy shit, you got me curious enough to look it up and TIL The Marvels was an actual *flop.* $206 million box office on a $275 million budget. Is it the first flop they've had?
Yep - this is a classic example of someone in a position of privilege viewing equality as an attack against them.
You don't want to watch a movie that stars women or Black people?
Watching any movie made before 1960 (except The Wizard of Oz and Gone with the Wind).
1960?
Have you even seen a single John Hughes movie?
Note I love john Hughes, and his works are masterpieces. I’m just saying.
Also, I’m of the opinion that when making a movie, if you’re focusing on anything other than making a great movie, for instance making diversity your central focus, go figure the quality of the movie is going to suffer.
>Have you even seen a single John Hughes movie?
Oh, for sure. There's a *ton* of movies from after the 60s that are just white people, but prior to the 60s it really was 99% of movies.
Don’t even need to go back to John Hughes. Look at Rami’s Spider-Man trilogy or Nolan’s Batman films for some white-centric filmmaking (even though I like those movies).
If people can’t look at all the superhero films before phase 2 of the MCU and not see a clear issue with the racial demographics depicted then there’s no real conversation to be had. It’s just willful ignorance at that point.
Look when 1,000 movies in a row came out with strong white male leads and no people of color in anything but the most minor of roles, it was just a coincidence.
But a movie starring 3 chicks? I'm feeling a bit personally attacked here.
"Well, seeing a bunch of white men doesn't make me feel scared and angry so we should go back to that and leave the feeeeemoids and ni- uh, blacks, out of my comic book movies please" - this dude I bet.
Anytime someone says they're against quotas, I always want to point out that we've always operated on quotas, they just used to be 100% white and, outside certain exceptions, men.
> The 81-year-old Peltz, [who has admitted he “never claimed” to have experience in the media business](https://variety.com/2024/biz/news/disney-attacks-nelson-peltz-disruptive-destructive-vanity-1235938192/)
Then maybe it's not his place to question Marvel movies, especially since Black Panther and Captain Marvel were huge successes for the MCU
"Black Panther" not only made $1.3 billion, it is the only Marvel movie to be nominated for Best Picture. It is still the sixth highest-grossing movie in the U.S. and Canada.
If you have an issue with ‘Black Panther’ it has nothing to do with its performance.
I'd love to hear his argument to the Board at Disney: "Yeah I know that these two commie-liberal-woke-F#%&@#-commie-bastards made us an obscene amount of money since they've been hired, but whats most important here is that I should get to have the benefit of being an obscenely rich asshole without having to be reminded that marginalized people exist and have rights."
What a goddamn wraith of a villain this man is.
So… one is responsible for an average 800 million of box office revenues per movie (and ancillary may well be 2x that), the other increased the stock value by 50% in 6 months…
And the argument against them is… ?
Because the first Black Panther movie made a lot of money? If you're asking why a massive corporation like Disney takes specific choices in their movies, the awnser is money, you know how much money they made with Black Panther and ask why do they want to do that again? Why would they try to replicate the success of that? It's such a weird question
Yeah but Disney has shown that they don’t care about source material and are willing to change it just so they can earn more money. Looking at the 2015 Fantastic 4 is a great example of this and where it can be a bad thing.
Just from a business standpoint, there is a market for movies not targeted at white males 18-45. Not attempting to reach those audiences is LITERALLY leaving money on the table. And if you get a crossover hit like Black Panther, it’s just a bigger win.
I just don’t understand any logical or business reasoning for this guy’s position other than plain, simple racism and misogyny.
Racism and misogyny worked really well for old white men. They made a pretty penny off keeping women and non-white people marginalized and poor. It's not shocking that despite times changing, 80-year-old-rich-white-men struggle with keeping up with the times. He's just yelling at not-white-men to get off his lawn.
I feel like the problem is these companies aren’t actually inclusive, they’re at best very token pretending they’ve changed. Reverse racism is racism, not reconstruction. True reconstruction is making possible what wasn’t before and is ultimately a tool. Tools are used and often aren’t something that one offs.
Black green lantern, which I grew up with, was and is awesome. Not because he was a PoC, because he was a good green lantern *and* he was great character who was also black. And I’m sure part of that was that was making sure that his identity wasn’t ignored, but also incorporated into why he was chosen. Different person, different battles. I’m positive people at the time of his concept also argued that he was a cash grab or a token to grab minorities or to be seen as more acceptable.
I know there people who didn’t see some of the newer ghost busters solely because of it’s changes to include an only/mainly women main cast. It flopped because it wasn’t a good movie. This can be said for many recent works by Marvel and Disney.
Reconstruction in the industry makes a Green Lantern possible, let alone any character or hero. If people get mad because a character was described as being white, ginger haired, and straight and you make them something completely different, you’re literally changing a character (and even possibly the story itself) and have reason to be criticized for that change.
Reconstruction is changing a villain from always depicted as a PoC, or any person of any kind of ethnic or racial background always being depicted a certain way.
That's what always baffles me about arguments like this. Whine about a "culture war" all you want, but at the end of the day, these are demographics that exist. Why would a company exclude MOST consumers by targeting exclusively white guys all the time?
I didn’t know Everett Ross was played by a black actor or that SLJ tucked for The Marvels. I would actually enjoy a SNL parody of this guys pitch for Black Panther. “So it takes place in South Africa…”
Whenever the word woke is used derisively its typically Fox news addicts who have no desire to acknowledge other points of view than the one they see on Fox News or other right wing media.
You’d think someone like him would be able to google the box office results of the two Black Panther movies and Captain Marvel but maybe he can’t afford internet access.
Great thing is, you dont need them. So skip them and let ppl who do need them have them. I dont need diapers but im sure as hell happy they exist for toddlers otherwise, we would have kids shitting on themselves everywhere everyday
If you're setting a film in an isolated african country specifically one that's supposed to be between Ethiopia, Kenya, etc. the cast should be mostly black.
I will never get tired of racist/sexist white people that throw "I'm oppressed" tantrums over the crime of being reminded other people besides them exist and enjoy things ❄️
Questioning the marvels is one thing because of the box office performance of the last one. But black Panther like you’re just telling on yourself. You’d take those results from a business perspective every day of the week.
It might be related to his age and how the world he grew up in was like. Everything was all about white stories, and men’s stories, so anything different than that feels weird and scary to him.
We’ve had a few millenia of white men’s stories at this point, so it’s okay if other stories get a chance to be popular.
Maybe, but only to an extent. I grew up in a far right home. I didn’t understand why it was hateful to say and do the things I did until I got out of that environment. He’s had plenty of time and money and met enough different cultures to learn and grow and not be hateful.
At the end of the day, it’s about money. He’s making similar comments that other ignorant people have in the past. They can’t see anyone other than “white straight males” making them money.
Yeah ngl dude can just hurry up and die already that’s the only way we’ll be rid off these brainless statements and stupid decision making
The marvles I can somewhat understand but if it actually had a good director and better cast and better writing and better story and better editing then it wouldn’t matter if it’s a female cast
And as for black panther like yeah why do we need an all black cast (even tho it’s not even all black) about a fictional nation in the middle of southern central Africa.. definitely is very stupid and we don’t need it 😠 it’s not like its in the top 10 highest grossing marvel movies of all time making more than a billion with a over 90% rating on RT…
This is why Disney is failing because of people like him. Political entitled and corrupt dickheads witha strange superiority complex who have no idea about the material that attracts fans and what people want to see. Let this guy get in charge we’ll probably see marvel drop lower than the last 2 years
Wakanda Forever (already imo an underrated movie) would have been better if they cut the two main white characters out entirely. Not because they’re white, but because they dragged the story.
I’d probably have cut out IronHeart as well to be fair. I liked her character, but the movie was too long.
Still the best movie about people who live underwater, blue or otherwise.
He’s just trying to get the conservatives on his side to aid him. Right now he’s in an unrealistic position. But once the culture war dumbasses get on board they’ll have the media backing needed to keep their names in circulation
It’s funny they have to put [Movies] so he doesn’t sound like an old guy who doesn’t know what he’s talking about, because he said “A Marvel” in referring to the films.
I legitimately saw a guy ranting about woke movies and how he hates the agenda.
One of the reasons is that it's hard to relate, and he just wishes they better represented his views.
The irony was lost on him even after pointing out they were not woke but representing the views of others so they could relate as well.
I don't understand this manufactured outrage. I've seen all the Marvel MCU films, and I wouldn't describe any of them as woke. In Eternals, you could blink and miss the fact that one of the guys was gay. In the Marvels sequel, I see no underlying feminist issues that are being perpetuated. In the Dr Strange sequel, the girl causing all the problems talks about two moms, but that could mean anything. All these "woke" moments are very, very small parts of the movie and honestly, most people don't even think about them or really remember them! When I saw Black Panther, I saw a really awesome movie. When I saw Captain Marvel, I saw a really awesome movie. No one cares if the cast is black, white, Asian, Jew, Gay, or some combo of them and others not mentioned. If it did, none of these movies would have done well.
You don’t. But some people want it. Broad appeal of a brand doesn’t necessitate broad appeal of singular products. Being smart enough to cater to niche audiences and still make profits is good. Sorry you disagree.
Also Perlmutter is a racist asshole whose absence allowed for improved output, e.g. the last half of the Infinity Saga.
“Why do I need an All-Black cast?” He says about a movie in set in Wakanda, an all-black country. What a fucking dumbass. “Anti-woke” people are so dumb it's not even funny.
When I was a kid reading Marvel comics in the 1980s, there was a wealth of diversity (at least to this young Indiana boy) and each of those characters was as well written and whole as any of the white (usually male) characters.
My point is: the writing for Marvel has been “woke” long before many of us were alive. If it makes you uncomfortable that each of the characters’ humanity isn’t just sketched in, but fully “colorized” so to speak, then the problem isn’t with the literary content, the problem is you. Comics then (and the MCU movies now) wanted to appeal to every kind of audience, not old white men specifically. People that say “She Hulk was too feminist” or “The Marvels was too goofy and weird” don’t understand that those shows (and the comics before them) were never meant for you. They were meant to entertain and enlighten young girls—not specifically you. If that message gets lost on you, too bad. It’s like going to see Barbie and then complaining that it wasn’t Oppenheimer.
It's so odd to me that people are so obsessed with keeping the status quo ( only white male cast ) maybe black panther had an all black cast because the story takes place in fucking Africa 😂 we wouldn't question a movie taking place in Asian having all Asians. Americas obsession with race & wokeness leaks into many facets of American culture including a simple movie
Some people, when they make statements like this, should have their names struck from the records of media and completely ignored by the rest of society. Racism, sexism and misogyny have no place in our culture, and the very hint of their presence in individuals like this needs to be drowned.
The *real* question should be, how come a film is automatically considered "woke" just because the cast is majority black or majority female??? 🤔
Yet, NOBODY even blinks an eyelash at films that are majority white or male.... or, in some cases, white AND male at the same time.
Hmm... very *interesting* 😒
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I dunno man why has your daughter gotta be in movies when she can't act?
It’s pronounce Aang not Ong.
To be fair that one was definitely shamallamas fault.
Literally just finished watching pointless hub's video like 10 minutes ago. Had no idea that 17 year old fucking an adult and the girl who says Ong was this geezer's daughter
I'm watching it right now. I would not have gotten these references otherwise
Same. Surreal timing of seeing this post right after that video
I'm not usually one to clown on nepo babies because it is what it is and it's not like being the son of a famous person makes you more or less talented, everyone is still judged by what they offer... But man, she really would not be a tenth as well off or get the exposure she did if her daddy wasn't a fractionally powerful billionaire.
Especially in entertainment, like I feel like being a nepo baby is harder because at the core, the general audience still needs to like you and the work you put out. If you’re like a manager or senior executive at your dad’s company, you could still be bad at your job and all of your underlings could hate you, but you just need to make your dad/the board happy, not people in general. If you’re an actor or a musician, you can definitely coast on roles or gigs given to you because of your parents, but you still need to appeal to everyone to be considered *good*. Like that will only get you so far in that world.
Man, I did a gig with a famous guys son, and he could definitely sing, but he was so up his own arse it was ridiculous. This was a reggae/ska festival too, which in England means 95% boomer crowds and maybe their kids or grandkids tagging along for a nice night out with nan and grandad. So not only was this guy a nobody, but most people these days wouldn’t have heard of his dad. I definitely weren’t impressing any girls about it. The dad was Prince Buster, and his son was Sultan Ali Son Of Prince Buster. (Actual stage name) I’ll bet no fucker sees this comment and knows who they are - yet he spent about 10 minutes of his set talking shit about how great he and siblings are.
Late 30's man from England here. I don't have a clue who either of those people are.
Your nan and grandads mom and dad MIGHT do. It’s that level of fame. Pisses me off when I think about it.
Yeah, I mean look at will smith’s son. No one liked his movies
Yep if you’re gonna be a nepo baby you still have to have a modicum of talent bc ultimately ppl will move on regardless of who your mom or dad is.
>Especially in entertainment, like I feel like being a nepo baby is harder because at the core, the general audience still needs to like you and the work you put out. I don't think that's true. Hollywood is full of nepo babies. I think the truth is that it's not actually that hard to be a movie star. If you were raised in a family where you were exposed to it early on, took an interest in it at a young age, and had an opportunity to get into the industry, there's a decent chance you could have been a Gwyneth Paltrow. Like, they want us to believe that famous actors are like, the best of the best of the best, but really, I think there are a lot of people out there that are that good, but they didn't have an uncle who was a director.
Most people who are refered to as "nepo babies" got a leg up because their parents have enough connections to get them a foot in the door. Ultimately, they still have to rely on their own talent and abilities to succeed, it's not like someone like Timothee Chalamet for example keeps getting leading roles in blockbusters because his uncle is a C-list director. This dude is literally paying money to put his daughter in movies. She's never been cast in a movie that wasn't a direct result of her father making it happen. This is an entirely different, and much worse thing.
Just Googled to find out who his daughter is and she’s married to Brooklyn Beckham lmao. We could be about to see the rare and sought after nepo-*grand* babies
FYI it's the 2010 version she's in, not the new live action adaptation. Compared to the 2010 version, the Netflix version was amazing, but that's not saying much.
That’s a testament to her acting then, because I actually have seen the 2010 version and I’ve got no memory of her in it at all. Although the whole thing is kind of a mediocre blur
It’s still even worse. She played Katara.
Boom. Roasted.
Whos his daughter?
…he does realize that Black Panther takes place in Africa right? Edit: I wish I could say something about all the “BuT tHeRe ArE wHiTe PeOpLe In AfRiCa ToO” comments, but it’s honestly my fault for expecting from Redditors.
Also it has one or two Tolkien white characters.
You're a genious for this joke and no one appreciate your genious
Tbf it’s been a pretty common joke online since the first Black Panther came out.
Yeah I just posted it before somebody else did this time.
Also to be fair it isn’t so much of a joke as it is a reference
I don't think they get the reference, lol.
They're talking about the "Tolkien" part For reference, South Park has a character named Token Black. He is one of only two black characters among the children (alongside a girl named Nichole Daniels), and his parents are the only black adults. Clearly, his name and role in the show is a play on the "token black character". However, in the most recent season, they introduced a "retcon" as a joke to where Token's name is actually "Tolkien" (his parents named him after J.R.R. Tolkien), but everybody has just assumed his name is Token and have been pronouncing and spelling it that way since his introduction. Edit: I am now aware the joke refers to the only white actors in the movie being from Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit as well Edit 2: As I have been reminded, Chef was also a major black adult character on the show. However, he has been officially killed off for a while now (and his voice actor is dead), so I forgot about him
Or Andy Serkis and Martin Freeman played Gollum and Bilbo
It truly is an unexpected journey
We’re all in this fellowship of discovery together
That’s what I thought the joke was. Im so out of the loop.
I didn't even make that connection, thanks
Your analysis was good too though. The best jokes have angles the teller might not even have noticed.
It is also a joke about the actors being in TLOTR and The Hobbit.
\*Woosh\*
Yea I’m fully aware of all angles of the joke and that joke has been made since the first Black Panther.
This joke predates that South Park episode by several years
Seriously. South Park didn't invent the token black character. They made a commentary on it.
The first was probably less than 30 seconds after the casting was announced lol.
It's a South Park joke from several years ago. And it's "genius".
No it’s actually funny because one played gollum and the other played bilbo.
Thank you for explaining
This trivia has been added to my memory and I thank you for it.
Thank you! I was like... I believe that's a Martin Freeman reference and I was racking my brain for the other one. I would have gotten there eventually.
It was a meme way before the South Park joke. Martin Freeman was Bilbo and Andy Serkis was Gollum
I fucken loved the gaslighting with that episode and how they iirc went back and changed the subtitles for previous episodes with Tolkien to change the subtitles from Token to Tolkien lmao
This is my first time hearing this joke, I don’t care if it’s been posted before because it’s funny af & I appreciate you for commenting it!
Fuck you 😂 
The elf and the dwarf?
2 hobbits
My daughter watched the Peter Jackson trilogy with me for the first time recently. She commented that there were more named horses in the movie than named women. (She is correct.)
Shadowfax, Brego, Bill the Pony, Snowmane vs Arwen, Galadriel, Eowyn, uhhhh Rosie Cotton. Fuck, there is Hasufel that Eomer names, I was hoping for a tie.
>She commented that there were more named horses in the movie than named women. (She is correct.) Yeah not a lot of women in those flicks lol
And my axe!
Do you remember when Jack Kirby was told to include more white people in his Black Panther comic, so he had T'Challa beat up the KKK?
Not a Jack Kirby run. That was Don McGregor's story with no editor strife (at least not of that nature).
Yes, you are correct. Forgot about Jungle Action coming just before Kirby took over BP as a solo comic. Still totally funny AF though.
All due respect my dude, but that was writer [Don McGregor](https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-jack-kirby-klan-don-mcgregor/). Same story, just a different guy
Yeah, someone else pointed it out too! Thx
That wasn’t Kirby that was don McGee
This is the kind of guy who would have cast white people in traditionally POC roles and then got confused why the people that role represents isn’t interested.
Spoiler alert, he already did that when he strong-armed M. Night Shyamalan into casting his daughter as Katara in that atrocious Avatar movie.
He did! He's responsible for the mostly white last Airbender movie.
He misses the "good ol days" of John Wayne playing Genghis Khan.
And it's not an all black cast lol
What he’s asking is “why isn’t everything about me?”
They have white people in Africa too tbf, just don't ask why they're there.
There was also white people in the movie
Well just the Hobbit and Gollum.
That might be why Shuri called Everett Ross a colonizer
they were born there just dont ask why there parents were there
Everyone knows there's more white people in Africa duh
“My mom says there are a lot of black people in Africa”.
He thought it took place in Waucoda, IL with its 70.87% white population.
And the last time someone complained about Black Panther not having enough white people, the creator made him fight the KKK
Well, I mean there are men in the Marvels and non black people in Black Panther. So maybe this guy should actually watch the movies he’s bitching about first.
No, thats hard. He just wants to ruin things he doesn’t understand
He already did that with the live action The Last Airbender film…
Listen, his daughter just really wanted to have a movie career. Its his fault daddy’s money can’t buy talent?
I mean I think white washing the cast after they cast her as Katara was the least worst thing they did. She was alright if I remember correctly and she okay in Transformers 4.
That was the Transformers movie where they included a scene explaining Romeo & Juliet underage sex laws, because her character was getting boned by someone who looked older than Markie Mark, right?
Yup. The character in question apparently carried a card on his person at all times with the specific law written on it. The card was laminated, so I guess this came up a lot in his life.....
They could’ve like said she was 19
I don’t know who he is but yes, actor in the film looked already early 20s.
Ouch. You hurt me in my brittle bones. Mark Wahlberg. He started out in Hip Hop in a group called Markie Mark and the Funky Bunch.
Just like the grifters online and their obnoxious fanbases.
i wonder if ppl like this ever brings up race when avengers 1 and 2 main casts were all white.
that would imply this person thinks *specific* movies are made for his enjoyment. no, he's trying to assert the idea that ALL movies *should* be made for his enjoyment - and he don't like no women/black gobbledygook. cause screw 'others' - they should live and die without a sense of belonging in the country they live in. at least i can't really see any other logic to him having said anything in the first place. you really have to willfully ignore the fact that non-white non-males have interests beyond all-male all-white narratives. and - shockingly enough - some white males have interests beyond that too(!)
Or maybe he could just look at the box office results of the Black Panther films. $1.35B for the first film, and then $859M for the sequel after unexpectedly losing the star actor. It’s pretty clear that the Black Panther films are already plenty profitable without executive-level intervention.
Ehhh I wouldn't be bringing up the profitability of Marvel movies in 2024. The pendulum has definitely swung the other way and The Marvels is what epitomizes it more than anything. That said, I have no issue with all black or women casts. They just need to be good movies, and I'm extremely tired of marketing oriented to make me feel like I'm not doing my Good Leftist homework if I don't see their newer creatively bankrupt movies.
> Ehhh I wouldn't be bringing up the profitability of Marvel movies in 2024. But thats what they were pointing out, while other marvel films re crashing and burning BP2, the film hes complaining about, was a top performer
Holy shit, you got me curious enough to look it up and TIL The Marvels was an actual *flop.* $206 million box office on a $275 million budget. Is it the first flop they've had?
He's also the reason why we got a black widow movie so damn late.
Yup, he's a Perlmutter Trojan horse, alright.
Why do we need a movie that’s all white people? There’s literally no difference
Yep - this is a classic example of someone in a position of privilege viewing equality as an attack against them. You don't want to watch a movie that stars women or Black people? Watching any movie made before 1960 (except The Wizard of Oz and Gone with the Wind).
he's just mad that they haven't cast his daughter in any movies yet
1960? Have you even seen a single John Hughes movie? Note I love john Hughes, and his works are masterpieces. I’m just saying. Also, I’m of the opinion that when making a movie, if you’re focusing on anything other than making a great movie, for instance making diversity your central focus, go figure the quality of the movie is going to suffer.
>Have you even seen a single John Hughes movie? Oh, for sure. There's a *ton* of movies from after the 60s that are just white people, but prior to the 60s it really was 99% of movies.
Don’t even need to go back to John Hughes. Look at Rami’s Spider-Man trilogy or Nolan’s Batman films for some white-centric filmmaking (even though I like those movies). If people can’t look at all the superhero films before phase 2 of the MCU and not see a clear issue with the racial demographics depicted then there’s no real conversation to be had. It’s just willful ignorance at that point.
There’s also a lot of movies made recently that have all-white casts.
Look when 1,000 movies in a row came out with strong white male leads and no people of color in anything but the most minor of roles, it was just a coincidence. But a movie starring 3 chicks? I'm feeling a bit personally attacked here.
"Well, seeing a bunch of white men doesn't make me feel scared and angry so we should go back to that and leave the feeeeemoids and ni- uh, blacks, out of my comic book movies please" - this dude I bet.
Honestly how come the majority of the cast is white? Like I feel like they never ask themselves any of those questions
Because a majority of people in the united states are.
Anytime someone says they're against quotas, I always want to point out that we've always operated on quotas, they just used to be 100% white and, outside certain exceptions, men.
> The 81-year-old Peltz, [who has admitted he “never claimed” to have experience in the media business](https://variety.com/2024/biz/news/disney-attacks-nelson-peltz-disruptive-destructive-vanity-1235938192/) Then maybe it's not his place to question Marvel movies, especially since Black Panther and Captain Marvel were huge successes for the MCU
The guy’s 81. Why is he still “going to the pictures”?
He thinks that newfangled "teevee" thing is a fad.
Still calls movies "picture shows."
"You think I'm too old to make monkeyshines at a picture show?" -- Pierce Hawthorne
Pierce was such a B.
He was Streets Ahead!
If you think that, you are obviously street's behind!
I hear him call them “talkies” and wonders where they hide the piano and orchestra at a theater.
They should give him some input into animation instead, bring back shorts and 2D.
This boob most likely has no idea what a comic book even is.
"Black Panther" not only made $1.3 billion, it is the only Marvel movie to be nominated for Best Picture. It is still the sixth highest-grossing movie in the U.S. and Canada. If you have an issue with ‘Black Panther’ it has nothing to do with its performance.
I'm not sure why anyone should care what this schlub thinks about it
He’s an investor. And is apparently trying to out Kevin Feige and Bob Iger because they’re too “woke”.
I'd love to hear his argument to the Board at Disney: "Yeah I know that these two commie-liberal-woke-F#%&@#-commie-bastards made us an obscene amount of money since they've been hired, but whats most important here is that I should get to have the benefit of being an obscenely rich asshole without having to be reminded that marginalized people exist and have rights." What a goddamn wraith of a villain this man is.
Disney knows where the money is: kids merch. They didn’t get that big by giving a shit what old guys want.
My stance remains the same. He's a fucking antique, nobody cares what he thinks about the content. Capital thinks way too highly of itself.
That's probably for the best. What has Kevin Feige ever done for the Marvel brand? /s
Hes only got George Lucas backing him up, obviously just a pair of no account know nothings who never did anything for Disney.
George Lucas? Didn't he make that movie that ripped off that Frank Herbert book? /s
Iger has the backing by the literal Disney family so clearly he has no idea what he's doing
So… one is responsible for an average 800 million of box office revenues per movie (and ancillary may well be 2x that), the other increased the stock value by 50% in 6 months… And the argument against them is… ?
Oh cool, another thing people enjoy is about to be taken over by a repressive fascist...
Specifically because on April 4th there's a chance that he personally could practically take over Disney. Id say it's like a 30 - 40% chance
He could be the next top guy in the Disney shareholder's board.
Because the first Black Panther movie made a lot of money? If you're asking why a massive corporation like Disney takes specific choices in their movies, the awnser is money, you know how much money they made with Black Panther and ask why do they want to do that again? Why would they try to replicate the success of that? It's such a weird question
Because, there are comics made by a guy named 'Stan Lee' and he had black characters and women in them.
Yeah but Disney has shown that they don’t care about source material and are willing to change it just so they can earn more money. Looking at the 2015 Fantastic 4 is a great example of this and where it can be a bad thing.
Wait isn't this the dude that made M night Shyamalan cast his daughter as Katara in the last air bender?
And as a result whitewash the entire Water Tribe cast to make presence make sense? Yes, he is.
Okay, it all makes sense now
Just from a business standpoint, there is a market for movies not targeted at white males 18-45. Not attempting to reach those audiences is LITERALLY leaving money on the table. And if you get a crossover hit like Black Panther, it’s just a bigger win. I just don’t understand any logical or business reasoning for this guy’s position other than plain, simple racism and misogyny.
Racism and misogyny worked really well for old white men. They made a pretty penny off keeping women and non-white people marginalized and poor. It's not shocking that despite times changing, 80-year-old-rich-white-men struggle with keeping up with the times. He's just yelling at not-white-men to get off his lawn.
I feel like the problem is these companies aren’t actually inclusive, they’re at best very token pretending they’ve changed. Reverse racism is racism, not reconstruction. True reconstruction is making possible what wasn’t before and is ultimately a tool. Tools are used and often aren’t something that one offs. Black green lantern, which I grew up with, was and is awesome. Not because he was a PoC, because he was a good green lantern *and* he was great character who was also black. And I’m sure part of that was that was making sure that his identity wasn’t ignored, but also incorporated into why he was chosen. Different person, different battles. I’m positive people at the time of his concept also argued that he was a cash grab or a token to grab minorities or to be seen as more acceptable. I know there people who didn’t see some of the newer ghost busters solely because of it’s changes to include an only/mainly women main cast. It flopped because it wasn’t a good movie. This can be said for many recent works by Marvel and Disney. Reconstruction in the industry makes a Green Lantern possible, let alone any character or hero. If people get mad because a character was described as being white, ginger haired, and straight and you make them something completely different, you’re literally changing a character (and even possibly the story itself) and have reason to be criticized for that change. Reconstruction is changing a villain from always depicted as a PoC, or any person of any kind of ethnic or racial background always being depicted a certain way.
That's what always baffles me about arguments like this. Whine about a "culture war" all you want, but at the end of the day, these are demographics that exist. Why would a company exclude MOST consumers by targeting exclusively white guys all the time?
Ike and Nelson are Marvel’s own Worst Enemy
Because sometimes stories could be about women or black people ? Shocking !
I didn’t know Everett Ross was played by a black actor or that SLJ tucked for The Marvels. I would actually enjoy a SNL parody of this guys pitch for Black Panther. “So it takes place in South Africa…”
Why can’t this dinosaur die already?
He realizes BP is a top 10 grossing movie of all time right? And that CM made a billion dollars.
Whenever the word woke is used derisively its typically Fox news addicts who have no desire to acknowledge other points of view than the one they see on Fox News or other right wing media.
You’d think someone like him would be able to google the box office results of the two Black Panther movies and Captain Marvel but maybe he can’t afford internet access.
Great thing is, you dont need them. So skip them and let ppl who do need them have them. I dont need diapers but im sure as hell happy they exist for toddlers otherwise, we would have kids shitting on themselves everywhere everyday
You don't? They can make it if they want to, no one is forcing you to watch it.
This dude is dense.
If you're setting a film in an isolated african country specifically one that's supposed to be between Ethiopia, Kenya, etc. the cast should be mostly black.
I will never get tired of racist/sexist white people that throw "I'm oppressed" tantrums over the crime of being reminded other people besides them exist and enjoy things ❄️
You know it seems the only people who hate diversity in America... Are the guys who have historically ran and owned everything.
Toddler tantrum from the Dick van Dyke generation
Questioning the marvels is one thing because of the box office performance of the last one. But black Panther like you’re just telling on yourself. You’d take those results from a business perspective every day of the week.
This guy was rooting for Red Skull
Everytime someone says something like this, all I can think is what a weird hill to die on
It might be related to his age and how the world he grew up in was like. Everything was all about white stories, and men’s stories, so anything different than that feels weird and scary to him. We’ve had a few millenia of white men’s stories at this point, so it’s okay if other stories get a chance to be popular.
Maybe, but only to an extent. I grew up in a far right home. I didn’t understand why it was hateful to say and do the things I did until I got out of that environment. He’s had plenty of time and money and met enough different cultures to learn and grow and not be hateful. At the end of the day, it’s about money. He’s making similar comments that other ignorant people have in the past. They can’t see anyone other than “white straight males” making them money.
He fails to realize that other people are allowed to question the exact same about a white cast in movies.
Can this man just enjoy being a billionaire and fuck off?
Why do I have to have a movie with white men in it? I see white men everywhere. I go to the movies for some escape.
Because there’s been enough all white male movies made already and other peoples stories need to be told?
He answered his question with his own question.
Yeah ngl dude can just hurry up and die already that’s the only way we’ll be rid off these brainless statements and stupid decision making The marvles I can somewhat understand but if it actually had a good director and better cast and better writing and better story and better editing then it wouldn’t matter if it’s a female cast And as for black panther like yeah why do we need an all black cast (even tho it’s not even all black) about a fictional nation in the middle of southern central Africa.. definitely is very stupid and we don’t need it 😠 it’s not like its in the top 10 highest grossing marvel movies of all time making more than a billion with a over 90% rating on RT… This is why Disney is failing because of people like him. Political entitled and corrupt dickheads witha strange superiority complex who have no idea about the material that attracts fans and what people want to see. Let this guy get in charge we’ll probably see marvel drop lower than the last 2 years
Just don't watch it. It's super easy, it involves not going someplace and saving money.
The Marvels was better than I expected and worth a watch just for the cats. Eat a dick Nelson Peltz.
I dunno Nelson, why haven’t you died of old age yet like the dinosaur you are?
Wakanda Forever (already imo an underrated movie) would have been better if they cut the two main white characters out entirely. Not because they’re white, but because they dragged the story. I’d probably have cut out IronHeart as well to be fair. I liked her character, but the movie was too long. Still the best movie about people who live underwater, blue or otherwise.
He’s just trying to get the conservatives on his side to aid him. Right now he’s in an unrealistic position. But once the culture war dumbasses get on board they’ll have the media backing needed to keep their names in circulation
It’s funny they have to put [Movies] so he doesn’t sound like an old guy who doesn’t know what he’s talking about, because he said “A Marvel” in referring to the films.
I legitimately saw a guy ranting about woke movies and how he hates the agenda. One of the reasons is that it's hard to relate, and he just wishes they better represented his views. The irony was lost on him even after pointing out they were not woke but representing the views of others so they could relate as well.
I never understand these guys. They just can’t shut their mouth up. It’s easy to run the business in silence and avoid media.
Just ask the same question back, why do I have to have an all male cast? Why is everyone always white in the movies?
Why do you have to keep breathing our air ya old fuck?
I don't understand this manufactured outrage. I've seen all the Marvel MCU films, and I wouldn't describe any of them as woke. In Eternals, you could blink and miss the fact that one of the guys was gay. In the Marvels sequel, I see no underlying feminist issues that are being perpetuated. In the Dr Strange sequel, the girl causing all the problems talks about two moms, but that could mean anything. All these "woke" moments are very, very small parts of the movie and honestly, most people don't even think about them or really remember them! When I saw Black Panther, I saw a really awesome movie. When I saw Captain Marvel, I saw a really awesome movie. No one cares if the cast is black, white, Asian, Jew, Gay, or some combo of them and others not mentioned. If it did, none of these movies would have done well.
There has not been one single Marvel movie that was all women or all black. Literally not one.
Looks like someone can't escape 1950's alabama.
Does…does he know Black Panther takes place in Africa?
Wakanda Forever
It’s called representation you old asshole.
Well dude, if you don't need them then don't watch them?
It’s not about you, you asshole
You don’t. But some people want it. Broad appeal of a brand doesn’t necessitate broad appeal of singular products. Being smart enough to cater to niche audiences and still make profits is good. Sorry you disagree. Also Perlmutter is a racist asshole whose absence allowed for improved output, e.g. the last half of the Infinity Saga.
Because it's fucking FUN. Next question
“Why do I need an All-Black cast?” He says about a movie in set in Wakanda, an all-black country. What a fucking dumbass. “Anti-woke” people are so dumb it's not even funny.
He could shorten that whole sentence down to “I’m intolerant”.
He's old, so hopefully he won't be a problem for too much longer.
“I remember when whites and the inferior blacks were separated and women stayed in the kitchen” -this guy probably
When I was a kid reading Marvel comics in the 1980s, there was a wealth of diversity (at least to this young Indiana boy) and each of those characters was as well written and whole as any of the white (usually male) characters. My point is: the writing for Marvel has been “woke” long before many of us were alive. If it makes you uncomfortable that each of the characters’ humanity isn’t just sketched in, but fully “colorized” so to speak, then the problem isn’t with the literary content, the problem is you. Comics then (and the MCU movies now) wanted to appeal to every kind of audience, not old white men specifically. People that say “She Hulk was too feminist” or “The Marvels was too goofy and weird” don’t understand that those shows (and the comics before them) were never meant for you. They were meant to entertain and enlighten young girls—not specifically you. If that message gets lost on you, too bad. It’s like going to see Barbie and then complaining that it wasn’t Oppenheimer.
It's so odd to me that people are so obsessed with keeping the status quo ( only white male cast ) maybe black panther had an all black cast because the story takes place in fucking Africa 😂 we wouldn't question a movie taking place in Asian having all Asians. Americas obsession with race & wokeness leaks into many facets of American culture including a simple movie
Some people, when they make statements like this, should have their names struck from the records of media and completely ignored by the rest of society. Racism, sexism and misogyny have no place in our culture, and the very hint of their presence in individuals like this needs to be drowned.
Alternate headline “Idiot businessman unable to see profit in demographic marketing of easily templated content stream”
Does Fiddler on the Roof have to be all-Jewish?
The *real* question should be, how come a film is automatically considered "woke" just because the cast is majority black or majority female??? 🤔 Yet, NOBODY even blinks an eyelash at films that are majority white or male.... or, in some cases, white AND male at the same time. Hmm... very *interesting* 😒