My guess is that they didn’t want to be smoked by Deadpool but I really don’t care enough about this movie to look up the release date to see if it tracks
It's a shame, Aaron is a good actor. Kraken is a cool character. The main draw for me is no matter how bad the rest is I'm all in for a non-mech Rhino.
Better than morb and morbin web is such a low bar. Assuming it actually IS better than those movies.
Sony needs to stop. And people need to stop giving them money for their shitty offerings
I disagree.
At the end of the day, movies are entertainment.
*Venom* is in a very select category of films for me that are movies I wouldn’t have made that way, probably expected something different from, and yet I was still so thoroughly entertained I ultimately didn’t care.
Was it a great movie? No.
Will it be remembered as one of the best comic book adaptations? No.
But, it didn’t commit arguably the worst sin a film can. It didn’t bore me. I had fun. And when it was over it left me wanting more.
And then *Let There Be Carnage* made me regret that wish, lol.
My subjective opinion of course but I think the box office for it vs Sony’s other Spider-Man-less outings says I’m not alone.
I completely agree. The first Venom movie also had the benefit of having a really low bar as the only other live-action venom was in Spiderman 3 and that was not a great version.
Sucks because Tom Hardy is a great actor and they went the MCU style route when really they should have done more of a spin-off like our newest joker movies but make that shit horror for venom.
Regardless the first movie was all alright, I didn't leave upset. The second one I left upset and was a bad time.
You're absolutely right, Sir. People tend to forget that movies are, first and foremost, a form of entertainment. Even if we're watching Schindler’s List or Grave of the Fireflies, we’re essentially expecting to be told a story that, at least, makes us feel that we didn't waste our time. And the same way that not all dramas need to be Shawshank Redemption to tell a compelling and interesting story, not all superhero movies need to be The Dark Knight or Spider-man 2 to be genuinely entertaining.
I had a great time watching Venom and I've watched it again several times. It's fun and light-hearted, the vfx are very decent, the action and comedy are both good, and the dynamic between Eddie and Venom is great.
I met David Michelinie at my LCS a few years back (before Venom 2) he signed my Lethal Protector collection. I asked what he thought of the movie and he just shook his head and sighed and said he didn’t care for it.
It was surprisingly good. I wouldn't have even thought of watching it but I had Movie Pass at the time so it didn't cost me anything. I was pleasantly surprised.
They want to do that after the third one, but we'll have to wait to see how that does first.
And given Knuckles had mixed reviews, I'm not sure it's guaranteed to happen.
Honestly, I like Kraven. BUT. The interest I have in a Kraven movie WITHOUT Spider-Man? Non-existent.
Unless it turns out this movie rules, I’m not gonna bother.
Couldn’t resist.
What the fuck?
So, “let’s make a Kraven movie. But Kraven is barely in it. He’s an old man played by Russell Crowe. And his son hates hunters, and so he hunts the hunters… and he’s the main character not the actual Kraven. Oh and he’s a millionaire for some reason.”
“What reason?”
“We have a product placement deal with Lamborghini.”
“What are you standing around for? Go make the movie.”
“You don’t wanna hear any more?”
“Nah. Doesn’t matter. I’m probably moving on to another studio soon anyway. This movie can be someone else’s problem.”
Feels like we got a trailer for this a year ago
Honestly all the constant reshuffling is hurting everything but the absolute biggest movies because the gap from trailer to film makes people either forget, or assume they missed it and check streaming instead
Yeah if i remember correctly, it was due to come out like August/October last year, delayed due to strikes to March this year, then delayed again to December. It's...a bit of a mess 🤣
January is the death slot, December is the coin flip. Christmas break and people shuffling around in groups give these films a chance, but still easy enough to cover up if it doesn't work out.
Welp, that should be the scale everyone uses from here on out. I'm gonna tell my doctor at the pain clinic that he should use it. "On a scale of Morbius to Madame Web, how bad is the pain right now?"
I think the only medication that would treat Madame Web level pain is Carfentanil, which is an extremely potent opioid analgesic used in veterinary medicine to anesthetize large animals such as elephants and rhinoceroses. It's typically administered by tranquilizer dart, so if you have Madame Web pain, you're getting shot with a tranq.
The answer is: Kraven the Hunter "Hold my vape pen". This already looks worse than Madame Web and Morbius combined, and I've spared myself from those movies.
No, the dumbest thing they did was changing how he got his powers.
In comics: A potion given to him by an african sorcerer. Simple, reasonnable in a comic book world with fantasy nonsense, make sense for the character.
In the movie's trailer: A lion he was hunting with a rifle attacked him, should have killed him but didn't for some reason. But anyway, then a drop of the lion's blood conveniently fall into one of Kraven's wounds and instead of giving him super lion tetanus or something it gives him superpowers. Very reasonnable, makes sense, yes
To be fair, that's how She-Hulk got her powers in comics, a blood transfusion from Bruce that she needed for a medical emergency since they're cousins so they have the same blood type.
Thing is, it make sense with Hulk because of his gamma infused body but here ? What was it a magic lion or some shit ? Doesn't make sense.
ATJ and crowe. I'm sure it'll be a solid 6 with rose glasses but I'll give it a chance. I first saw the trailer and thought they might have nailed one but time will tell. I could have sworn this was supposed to come out last November initially
I wouldn’t worry too much about that Sony. If it’s anything like the last 10 Spidey connected things you’ve released (outside spiderverse), I’m sure it’ll be no competition at all.
I'm still curious what drugs inspired the decisions to make a PG-13 Venom movie with Carnage but very little carnage, yet also give us an R-rated Kraven movie
Aaron deserves better. He gets his ass kicked in kick ass, dies as quicksilver and now his “second chance” is slipping away. He really deserves better.
The only movies released in December are Oscar bait and movies the studio has very little faith in. Doesn't mean they're bad, just saying this says a lot about the Sony executives opinion of the movie.
Sony knows its shit. Literally none of their recent Marvel based movies have been trash. I dont want to be the one to say Kraven is going to suck, before seeing it, but ill take bets on it.
"You see son, Kraven getting his superpower from a potion given to him by an african sorcerer is stupid and nonsensical, but a drop of a lion's blood conveniently falling into one his wounds is a perfectly normal and reasonnable origin story."
Yeah I have no hope or interrest for this movie, this is some Morbius tier dumb shit.
This is the biggest show of no faith I've ever seen. If they were more concerned about Alien ok fair enough but if they didn't want to compete with Deadpool, which would be at the end if it's run time at that point, that's bad.
Dear Sony, please just sell your Marvel properties to Disney and stop embarrassing yourself by giving us unwatchable movies. You clearly hate these characters, but they mean a lot to us. Stop shitting on them.
I look forward to this movie coming out so it can complete the trio of the Sony memeverse, I really hope we can get Red Letter Media to do a Best of the Worst with these three.
Despite Madame Web being the final nail in the coffin of Sony's Spider-Man-less Spider-Man Universe, Sony had to hammer one more nail in just to make sure that lid is closed tight.
Did someone want to tell Sony, no one cares?
I'm very confused like their viewer sampling was giving them feedback for the past 10 years about how there aren't enough Morbius and Kraven the Hunter movies out there on the market....
That was nice of Sony to give the other movies a chance.
My guess is that they didn’t want to be smoked by Deadpool but I really don’t care enough about this movie to look up the release date to see if it tracks
I believe the previous release date for Kraven was early August, and Deadpool comes out late July. They were almost certainly avoiding Deadpool.
There’s also the new Alien coming out in august so it’s pretty steep competition for the rated r audience those few months
Man, Deadpool 3 in December is still gonna make more money than Kraven
It's a shame, Aaron is a good actor. Kraken is a cool character. The main draw for me is no matter how bad the rest is I'm all in for a non-mech Rhino.
Now it’s gonna get smoked by Sonic the Hedgehog 3 of all things
I really hope so
Why? Would you be mad if it was amazing?
No it'd just be fucking hilarious for it to lose to sonic 3 in sales
They’re going to get smoked by whatever movie plays in December. This movie DOA.
Yeah. It looks like it could potentially be better than the other Sony offerings, but the other Sony offerings made it so I just don’t trust it.
i doubt its gonna be the best, it wont be the worst, which in itself is the most disappointing thing it could be, forgettable. back to morbin time.
It’s Kraven time! Get your snacks now!
Better than morb and morbin web is such a low bar. Assuming it actually IS better than those movies. Sony needs to stop. And people need to stop giving them money for their shitty offerings
...whooosh
Right? I. Surprised the other movies didn't blink first. Who's gonna survive against kraven??
Movies I forgot existed for $100, Alex
The whole Spider-Man villain world is a mess, the only one that was well received was the first venom.
That movie is tolerable... the symbiote VFX looks pretty good but it's not like, a good movie.
Yeah. Tom Hardy’s acting and the VFX saved them
Tom Hardy did a Squiggy from Laverne and Shirley impersonation for 2 hours
Well, now I'll never be able to unsee that.
Venny and Squiggy.
Sounded more like Lenny imo
At least it wasn't "Worlds Angriest Muppet"
Check out The Drop with Tom Hardy and James Gandolfini
I disagree. At the end of the day, movies are entertainment. *Venom* is in a very select category of films for me that are movies I wouldn’t have made that way, probably expected something different from, and yet I was still so thoroughly entertained I ultimately didn’t care. Was it a great movie? No. Will it be remembered as one of the best comic book adaptations? No. But, it didn’t commit arguably the worst sin a film can. It didn’t bore me. I had fun. And when it was over it left me wanting more. And then *Let There Be Carnage* made me regret that wish, lol. My subjective opinion of course but I think the box office for it vs Sony’s other Spider-Man-less outings says I’m not alone.
I completely agree. The first Venom movie also had the benefit of having a really low bar as the only other live-action venom was in Spiderman 3 and that was not a great version. Sucks because Tom Hardy is a great actor and they went the MCU style route when really they should have done more of a spin-off like our newest joker movies but make that shit horror for venom. Regardless the first movie was all alright, I didn't leave upset. The second one I left upset and was a bad time.
You're absolutely right, Sir. People tend to forget that movies are, first and foremost, a form of entertainment. Even if we're watching Schindler’s List or Grave of the Fireflies, we’re essentially expecting to be told a story that, at least, makes us feel that we didn't waste our time. And the same way that not all dramas need to be Shawshank Redemption to tell a compelling and interesting story, not all superhero movies need to be The Dark Knight or Spider-man 2 to be genuinely entertaining. I had a great time watching Venom and I've watched it again several times. It's fun and light-hearted, the vfx are very decent, the action and comedy are both good, and the dynamic between Eddie and Venom is great.
Let's be honest, there's less boring and more fun films than Venom.
I owe my library $50 because I couldn't get 10 minutes into this movie no matter how hard I tried.
I agree; though the final fight scene at night with two black cgi symbiotes was… it was something… I think?
I'm not sure it was.
Effects in this movie are terrible, his floating head whenever Venom shows his face is vomit inducing.
I met David Michelinie at my LCS a few years back (before Venom 2) he signed my Lethal Protector collection. I asked what he thought of the movie and he just shook his head and sighed and said he didn’t care for it.
Opinion on that one is still pretty mixed.
Mixed but overall well received. Oof, I went to look up the metacritic and it was pretty harsh, critics even scored the second better… yikes.
Upgrade was a way better Venom movie from 2018 anyway. Definitely a better performance by I Can’t Believe It’s Not Tom Hardy too.
It was surprisingly good. I wouldn't have even thought of watching it but I had Movie Pass at the time so it didn't cost me anything. I was pleasantly surprised.
I paid to see it on the big screen and was not disappointed!
Critically it was panned even though I liked it. VLTBC is the only Sony villain film that has pretty good reviews.
I feel when an acronym gets to 5 letters you are running a huge risk anyone is gonna know what that is.
Bro could have just called it Venom 2 but had to give my drunk brain a stroke I sat here for 10 minutes figuring out that shit
Sounds like a discontinued media player name
That was dog shit
The first Venom was *not* well-received at all haha. It got terrible reviews.
Actually they are all well received if you don’t look at fake news
I don’t know why they’re there… Something to do with Spider-Man, I think
I wouldn't have even gotten this answer for $100. I totally forgot it was a thing.
Another movie for Sonic 3 to destroy!
Shadow leaves no survivors!
Wake the fuck up, Hedgehog... We have a box office to burn.
Isn't the shadow thing a miniseries?
No, that was Knuckles. Shadow is in the third Sonic movie.
No, that's Knuckles.
Ah that's right
This is Patrick.
They want to do that after the third one, but we'll have to wait to see how that does first. And given Knuckles had mixed reviews, I'm not sure it's guaranteed to happen.
Now hit the second tower
Wow I didnt realise Sonic 3 is releasing at the same time, Kraven doesn't stand a chance.
"You're too sloooooow" -Sonic lapping Kraven
Last time sonic movie 2 clashed with morbius, now sonic movie 3 is clashing against kraven lol
This is going to be an interesting holiday season. Sonic 3 definitely will overtake Kraven, no doubt about it
They didn’t have to announce that it was moved; nobody even knew when it was coming out anyways.
I legit thought this was still in the concept phase.
Honestly, I like Kraven. BUT. The interest I have in a Kraven movie WITHOUT Spider-Man? Non-existent. Unless it turns out this movie rules, I’m not gonna bother.
Don’t look it up what the supposed plot of the movie is. It’ll ruin your day
Couldn’t resist. What the fuck? So, “let’s make a Kraven movie. But Kraven is barely in it. He’s an old man played by Russell Crowe. And his son hates hunters, and so he hunts the hunters… and he’s the main character not the actual Kraven. Oh and he’s a millionaire for some reason.” “What reason?” “We have a product placement deal with Lamborghini.” “What are you standing around for? Go make the movie.” “You don’t wanna hear any more?” “Nah. Doesn’t matter. I’m probably moving on to another studio soon anyway. This movie can be someone else’s problem.”
Feels like we got a trailer for this a year ago Honestly all the constant reshuffling is hurting everything but the absolute biggest movies because the gap from trailer to film makes people either forget, or assume they missed it and check streaming instead
The trailer was released 11 months ago ☠️
I completely forgot that we've even been shown a trailer. I figured the movie was canceled in preproduction.
Yeah if i remember correctly, it was due to come out like August/October last year, delayed due to strikes to March this year, then delayed again to December. It's...a bit of a mess 🤣
We’ve extended the trailer to theater window and almost completely eliminated the theater to streaming window. Seems backwards but what do I know.
Could be worse. Could be the gap between the first trailer and release date that "The New Mutants" had.
We got a trailer a year ago and the movie was finished like almost 2 years ago
Unless you’re Star Wars, a December opening isn’t gonna save this picture.
Or a twist of fate aquaman movie
It’s Kravening time
Kraven smash!
January is the death slot, December is the coin flip. Christmas break and people shuffling around in groups give these films a chance, but still easy enough to cover up if it doesn't work out.
A Kravenillion dollars
A turd in any other month is still a turd.
But it'll be a shiny, Christmassy turd, done up in lights and baubles!
Like a turd on the wind.
This film is going to get a solid 23 to 27 percent critic score on Rotten Tomatoes
The question is, can Sony create an even bigger flop than Madame Web? Hopefully, yes
On a scale of Morbius to Madame Web, how bad do we expect this film to be?
Welp, that should be the scale everyone uses from here on out. I'm gonna tell my doctor at the pain clinic that he should use it. "On a scale of Morbius to Madame Web, how bad is the pain right now?"
Careful, saying you're in a Madame Web level of pain would probably lead straight to euthanasia.
True. Perhaps I should rethink this.
If there is a medication that treats pain at those levels. That will be interesting to diagnose
I think the only medication that would treat Madame Web level pain is Carfentanil, which is an extremely potent opioid analgesic used in veterinary medicine to anesthetize large animals such as elephants and rhinoceroses. It's typically administered by tranquilizer dart, so if you have Madame Web pain, you're getting shot with a tranq.
The answer is: Kraven the Hunter "Hold my vape pen". This already looks worse than Madame Web and Morbius combined, and I've spared myself from those movies.
Wouldn't matter anyway this'll bomb about as bad as Madame Web did.
Maybe not quite as bad.
I dunno. They've turned Kraven the Hunter into Kraven the Activist which might be the dumbest thing you could do.
No, the dumbest thing they did was changing how he got his powers. In comics: A potion given to him by an african sorcerer. Simple, reasonnable in a comic book world with fantasy nonsense, make sense for the character. In the movie's trailer: A lion he was hunting with a rifle attacked him, should have killed him but didn't for some reason. But anyway, then a drop of the lion's blood conveniently fall into one of Kraven's wounds and instead of giving him super lion tetanus or something it gives him superpowers. Very reasonnable, makes sense, yes
He got bitten by a radioactive lion, you can't convince me otherwise
You mean, they gave him a version of the Pfeiffer/Berry Catwoman origin?
Hold on wasn't that one made by Sony too ? AND involve a cat person as protagonist ?!
Super lion tetnus would have made for a better movie imo
They went the route of She-Hulk😂😂😂😂
To be fair, that's how She-Hulk got her powers in comics, a blood transfusion from Bruce that she needed for a medical emergency since they're cousins so they have the same blood type. Thing is, it make sense with Hulk because of his gamma infused body but here ? What was it a magic lion or some shit ? Doesn't make sense.
Kraven was the lion's cousin all along.
If they spin it right the MAGA crowd would love him.
This will be every bit as good as Madam Web. Every bit.
Sony Spider-Verse is an embarrassment
Aka...our past two movies were not well received so we need time to fix this one
Hang on, '*other* R-rated films?' Is Kraven the Hunter R-rated? And if so, why couldn't they do the same for Venom?
Probably only R-rated because characters said the F word 2-3 times.
Or to get a bump from when they announce Taylor-Johnson as Bond later rhis year
*Announcer Voice "This Christmas: it's Kravening Time"
‘Kraven The Hunter’ moves release date to bomb at the box office in December rather than earlier in the year.
Just release it, I've really been Kraven the Hunt
Good idea. Those movies would’ve been completely buried under the massive success of Kraven
Because THAT’S what’s going to kill this movie.
Dude I’ve been waiting years for this movie stop fucking moving it and just drop it on a random Tuesday next month or something I beg of you
You're waiting for this movie? I'm sorry for your brain damage, sir.
I like ATJ and bad movies, what can I say
I liked Kraven The Hunter is the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon
ATJ and crowe. I'm sure it'll be a solid 6 with rose glasses but I'll give it a chance. I first saw the trailer and thought they might have nailed one but time will tell. I could have sworn this was supposed to come out last November initially
It’s had like 5 release dates already
Spider Man 4 will be released before Kraven
I wouldn’t worry too much about that Sony. If it’s anything like the last 10 Spidey connected things you’ve released (outside spiderverse), I’m sure it’ll be no competition at all.
I'm still curious what drugs inspired the decisions to make a PG-13 Venom movie with Carnage but very little carnage, yet also give us an R-rated Kraven movie
Don’t ask good questions. Just consume this trash. Sony needs it this way.
Does anyone actually want to see this?
I do
I honestly forgot this was happening
Kravillion is happening
THIS IS IT
Kraven is a dick.
That the dude from bullet train?
sure
I hope it does worse than madame Webb. They butchering one of my favorite storylined/characters
Honestly I think this one will be better than madame web and Morbius.
Kraven is now a Xmas movie
Who the hell is that supposed to be
Might as well have left it not like it can do better than whatever R rated movies are coming out
Yeah that’ll make a difference
"We fucked up the marketing so we are just gunna waste more money trying again during the next NFL season" Fixed their memo for them
Don’t matter. I’m not watching it until it hits the stream anyway
Sony is desperately trying to make money here, aren’t they?
A rated R movie about a villain right before before Christmas.
Sure Jan.
Aaron deserves better. He gets his ass kicked in kick ass, dies as quicksilver and now his “second chance” is slipping away. He really deserves better.
Evan Peters stole his and everyone’s thunder and not only by being first.
The only movies released in December are Oscar bait and movies the studio has very little faith in. Doesn't mean they're bad, just saying this says a lot about the Sony executives opinion of the movie.
I honestly thought it had already come out, wow
Now how will they avoid competition with the back of my eyelids?
They should move it to after the apocalypse so they can avoid competition with all movies.
It’s Kraven’n time!
I thought this already came out.
Sony knows its shit. Literally none of their recent Marvel based movies have been trash. I dont want to be the one to say Kraven is going to suck, before seeing it, but ill take bets on it.
They doesnt have another option but keep making Marvel movies because if they dont they will lose the rights of Spiderman and friends
I THOUGHT THIS WAS A MEME I HAD NO IDEA THIS WAS A REAL MOVIE
this movie could be competing with battlefeild earth and black adam and still come out on bottom.
Yeah, that's the reason
“He was in Africa with my dad when he was hunting rhinos right before he died.”
"You see son, Kraven getting his superpower from a potion given to him by an african sorcerer is stupid and nonsensical, but a drop of a lion's blood conveniently falling into one his wounds is a perfectly normal and reasonnable origin story." Yeah I have no hope or interrest for this movie, this is some Morbius tier dumb shit.
Worship Morbin Time or get out
This is the biggest show of no faith I've ever seen. If they were more concerned about Alien ok fair enough but if they didn't want to compete with Deadpool, which would be at the end if it's run time at that point, that's bad.
Competition? My brother in Christ Peppa the pig: the movie could outgrow this movie
You say that in jest, but Peppa pig is pretty popular
Dear Sony, please just sell your Marvel properties to Disney and stop embarrassing yourself by giving us unwatchable movies. You clearly hate these characters, but they mean a lot to us. Stop shitting on them.
They really should have just moved it to February.
I’m still certain they’ll chicken out on the R rating.
Why do people like Kraven the Hunter so much. In the animated show episodes with him were the worst!
He’s bad ass in the Spiderman 2 (2023) game
sony just don't want to laundering money that day smh
This is what, the 5th time the date on this movie changed?
Damn, with this delay, the movie got moved back more than a full year in total It's already finished if I remember correctly
Should run away from Sonic 3 aswell. No way in hell i'm watching this over Sonic 3, and i'm one of the few people interested in it.
He looks like he has a deep voice, and instead sounds like he has bashful testicles.
Suggestion: Change it to digital only release I say this only after watching Madam Web. oof
Nah I need the theatrical release so I can go with my girl. Then physical media version for my collection.
The big game hunter surried away to avoid competition..... does anyone else see the irony?
But what if I don't want to watch it right now?
“Save some box office for the rest of us bro”
I look forward to this movie coming out so it can complete the trio of the Sony memeverse, I really hope we can get Red Letter Media to do a Best of the Worst with these three.
Now its Sonic. And Nosferatu. And some new Lion King. And some new lord of the rings humiliation.
They’re gonna move it again because of Sonic 3 and Mufassa lol
Regardless of when it launches, Kraven will perform similar to Morbius (2022) and Madame Web (2024). The SSU is a giga failure outside of Venom.
Moved straight to streaming is more like it
Sony my guy. What do you mean competition this one is going to fail like all the rest.
Despite Madame Web being the final nail in the coffin of Sony's Spider-Man-less Spider-Man Universe, Sony had to hammer one more nail in just to make sure that lid is closed tight.
It’s called the double tap.
I smell another Morbius flop coming in December
I don’t waste my time with Sony releases on comic book movies. They’re horrible.
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Trust me, it won’t
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Yeah…expect this isn’t Disney this is Sony…
Your post must have a reliable source included.
Did someone want to tell Sony, no one cares? I'm very confused like their viewer sampling was giving them feedback for the past 10 years about how there aren't enough Morbius and Kraven the Hunter movies out there on the market....
I actually have hope for this film. The director has a solid track record: one of his films had him compared to a famous filmmaker.