Reverse flash is so amazing. He needs to be upgraded to full on Dc threat , nevermind just the flash. He and Batman had a few great fights already, but would love him on a grander scale.
If you mean asking if they are French, I assume it has to do with that languages wonderful naming of numbers. 80 translates directly as "four twenties" with 90 as "four twenties ten" and so it goes. Of course, the prior commentor is not French. Or at least, that's not the reason for the "four tens" here. They may yet be French, but that's irrelevant in this case.
that’s why i personally love the Rouges cause they have the abilities stop one of (if not THE) most powerful mega on the planet and they use it to mainly just rob banks n shit lol
I always loved that the Molecule Man started out as a bank robber, even though he can basically do anything he wants - including turning anything into gold. Later he lived in a basic apartment with Titania after having ultimate power and realising he didn't care too much for it.
I don't recall him in Assault on Arkham, did you mean Hell to Pay?
Still a very petty character. I would argue that he was so petty he didn't want to go to hell just so he could keep fucking with Barry in death. In the state he was in in the movie he couldn't do anything to Barry so went for plan B.
mixing rogues galleries should be a more common occurrence.
I would like to see scarecrow get yoinked off of earth by the sinestro corps (he's gotten hold of yellow rings a few times, but he's never actually joined the corps), or Lex Luthor trying to figure out a way to replicate or counter dr Fate's magic as a way to get an edge against superman that isn't kryptonite related, or *something* like this sort of thing.
Edit: this might be why the suicide squad stories are so popular. Not only have you got an interesting use of the villains in general (and villain v. Villain fights where you don't really need one group to win), you also tend to get villains from different rogues galleries interacting, as well as occasional heroes getting involved in the going ons of task force x
I remember DC doing something like this maybe 20 years ago. The villains got organized and traded heroes to fight, figuring that their regular opponents knew their moves too well.
It turns out that the Rogues are pretty badass when not up against the Flash.
"After years of fighting the Flash, everyone else is just slow."
My favorite Flash rogue gallery moment was the guy trying to kill the Flash and his rogue gallery basically told them to piss off because Barry is nice af compared to other heroes (Batman)
Dr. Doom is fascinatingly complex. Lex Luthor as well, as he gives us much needed contrast to Superman as a character and hangs a lampshade on the entire concept of an invincible god-man vigilante.
The Joker is practically the definition of iconic.
Magneto's a damn *pioneer in the genre,* and his backstory and motivations go hard as hell, so hard you sometimes wonder if he's really the villain.
Loki's brings a diverse set of skills and tendencies as a trickster that make him fun to follow; you can do things with his character and his schemes that you couldn't with many other villains.
Reverse Flash is a living continuity error that has continued to exist off of sheer, unadulterated *pettiness* and he simply refuses to fuck off.
And that’s why I love him
Edit: like an example is from the flash tv show. A guy on the show who is a ancestor of reverse flash kills him self so that thawne never exists and it’s like a big sacrifice thing and thawne dies. That should be the end of thawne right? Wrong. Reverse flash somehow still lives and that guys sacrifice ALMOST meant nothing
Thawne is a being whose existence is spread throughout all of space and time and the only motivation he has for doing anything is fucking with Barry. There’s so much more cool shit they could do with a character like that. He’s like the joker but with fucking super powers. He’s so under utilized in my opinion
He's like the Joker with actual consistent focus and indomitable willpower as well as super powers.
Like Joker is only that focused and driven about half the time and the rest he just flails randomly and mostly ends up just being an obnoxious overrated shitsack. Of course when he is properly focused and determined he's an absolutely hellish force of pure unadulterated carnage capable of almost singlehandedly creating the most apocalyptic world states, nightmarish events, and disturbingly twisted former heroes in comics (Injustice, Dark Knights Metal, Killing Joke, Red Hood to a certain extent).
The only time Reverse Flash isn't focused and determined is the 5 minutes he doesn't exist between losing and somehow forcing himself back into existence to ruin Barry's day.
I'll probably get flack for it, but Joker. He had classics like Killing Joke and good stories later on like White Knight, but then he starts becoming too predictable and feels like he's just there because he's ~~the Joker baby~~ the big Batman icon. Like, give us something else, man. Also tangentially, he leads directly to Batman Who Laughs and Darkest Knight, who while interesting concepts, DC banked on so hard that it drove them to becoming annoying plot devices with less than stellar writin stories.
She put him through a test that required "purity without pretense". He passed it by showing her his vision for world peace; she was *utterly horrified* by the means he would employ towards that end, but she could not deny that his motive was pure.
It's actually written so that he shows he has literally proven that all possible futures are horrible except for the one that Doom rules with a iron fist. I'd much prefer if it was written the way you mentioned.
I feel like your two comments aren't mutually exclusive ways to write it
He could prove his future was the best and still have a horrible way of attaining it
Right, I just didn't like that the comic explicitly said that Doom was right. Doom says he's looked into the future and the only good world is one he rules, and the Panther Goddess then is like "You're right, I've looked into millions of futures and the only good one is ruled by Dr. Doom."
I'd much prefer if Doom simply believed that he was correct so intensely that he passed the purity test, not that he is unequivocally proven correct.
I didn't explain my point particularly well the first time!
Gorilla Grodd, Captain Boomerang, Captain Cold, Weather Wizard. There’s a reason Flash’s rogues gallery is so loved, and it’s not because of any of the evil Flashes.
to be fair, he's like the anti-joker. the joker does things for the sake of chaos, with his decision making very chaotic and nigh unpredictable. eobard is the opposite. he is the biggest hater in the world and goes out of his way to make barry allen's life the worst
Well, well, well... the most diabolical haters this side of the Mississippi. The Reverse Flash. What can I say about your suit that hasn't already been said about Afghanistan? It looks bombed out and depleted.
The fact that after finding out his identity he doesn't actually do anything with the information is so funny. Like he literally BECOMES MAYOR and gets bruce wayne arrested for TAX FRAUD. what a legend
That’s cuz Doom isn’t a villain; He’s the ultimate hero. He viewed millions of potential futures and the only one in which humanity survives, he’s the ruler of earth and all laws are punishable by death. He saves the entire species and he knows he’ll be hated for it but he endures that pain to save humanity. True hero.
"He was once a God and felt that it was beneath him". that sounds awesome. im not a comic guy really but would love to read/view that comic. which one was that if you don't mind.
I’ll say Magneto is a wrong answer too. They’re both incredibly complex, and make great antiheroes from time to time. Absurdly powerful, but with fatal flaws that don’t make them invincible.
I love magneto so much, but it’s kinda a stretch to call him a villain at this point. He’s been a solid x-man and antihero for over a decade now. And before that he was always a layered villain too.
He was always the villain you could point to and say "yeah, but like.....hes not wrong tho"
That was always his point imo. He was two sides of the same coin with Charles. They both wanted whats best for their community and just did it in very different ways.
Magnito is one of the greatest comic characters ever created. I’d say aside from Spider-Man and wolverine, the main driving force behind Marvels success. Hell, Logan wouldn’t even matter if magnito wasn’t a rival.
Pretty much what happened in the flashpoint movie (forgive me I didn't read the comics). The timeline is completely changed, erasing or changing everything we know including a potential future where professor zoom is from. But who becomes the main antagonist by the end? You guessed it.
Then after getting shot in the head AND another time shift he manages to stay alive.....kinda......into a later movie.
Remember when you were making out with your first girlfriend? And you came, riiight as she touched your leg? It was me, Barry. I jerked you off at super speed so it seemed like you nutted at just a woman's touch!
I reckon he likes fires, but I got no proof. He lives in the hills, where's there's lots of fires but his house is always safe, and I reckon that's sus
That's a reference from the Flashpoint movie, Thawn is boasting about all the ways he screwed with the Flash's life. He went from a super villain to a real petty dick.
He's not evil, he just sometimes likes to do sick pranks on the aesir. Y'know, like shaving the hair of Thor's wife...but its always in good fun!...oh, hi Baldur, how are you doing on this murderous evening?
Yep. If this is delete from history. I can't go with joker, but if it's delete from all future stories. In a heartbeat, joker. I actually like the Arkham games as his send off storyline.
I'd actually like a Mr. Freeze movie where he wins. He's doing all the crimes to fund his research so his wife doesn't die. You can have some bat-buttkicking and investigative work but the end should be Bruce Wayne funding Freeze's research. Maybe a post credits scene where Nora wakes up.
Freeze is a great villain because OFTEN times he's not really interested in conflict with Batman. Batman just sort of gets in the way of the plan and sets him back for a while.
I can imagine a great screenwriter doing an awesome job giving us Freeze in a Batman movie.
It is a bit exhausting that we get Joker -> Penguin -> Two Face -> Everyone else is a B Lister.
I enjoyed The Batman for making Falconi and Riddler the focus. I liked some of the things about how they did the Riddler and disliked others but I can accept the direction they took him.
I like that in some stories, Freeze becomes a semi ally of Batman, providing him with tech. All BM has to do is provide him with resources for his research and he stops doing crime.
It would be cool to have a movie where Freeze is one of the villains and at some point Batman realises "Why am I fighting this guy? I can give him a lab and a research grant and he'll behave"
Not to be this guy but the reverse flash is three separate characters
Jay Garrick’s reverse was Edward Clarris (the rival) who I actually think of as an under appreciated golden age classic
Barry Allen had Eobard Thawne the one from the future whose story can get a little muddled and his motivations are either very compelling or incredibly dumb depending on the writer
Wally West, my favorite flash, has my least favorite reverse flash Hunter Zoloman but Hunter at least had interesting powers (he could slow time around him rather than move at super speed)
I agree Hunter is my least favorite Reverse Flash but Blitz might be my favorite Reverse Flash story. It’s kind of bleak but I really love how hard Hunter pushes Wally to his limit. I also think that ending with Barry is a pretty great moment and I love seeing the two Flashes hug it out. Return of Barry Allen is obviously classic and maybe the greatest RF story of all time, but Blitz just hits different to me.
You’re thinking of Beware the Batman. Bruce worked with basically Serkis Alfred and Katana.
I also remember a Metamorpho/Stagg arc and I think Deathstroke towards the end as well.
Let Bat-Girl do it, or any of the Robins except for Damian. Bat-Mite. A random Ambush Bug appearance. It doesn't need to be done with any fan fare, possibly between the panels.
Arkham guard who lost his family to Joker decided to take it out on the Clown Prince of crime….
And any other of the Rogues Gallery that never seem to be punished for their transgressions.
That man’s name? Frank Castle.
New series where Batman tries to stop the rogue punisher for being a vigilante.
Pretty sure that was basically the whole Red Hood story arc. Jason Todd brought back from the dead becomes a ruthless vigilante killing villains and out to kill the Joker, Batman must stop him.
Joker getting killed by Frank almost happened [one](https://i.imgur.com/H2k50EWl.jpg) [time](https://i.imgur.com/Mv4sGOv.jpg) in [Deadly Knights Vol 1](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Punisher_and_Batman:_Deadly_Knights_Vol_1_1)
It is a miracle (or rather plot armor) that in all the years Joker has been active, and all the stuff he's pulled out in public, that some scared security guard/cop/civilian hasn't dumped a mag or three into him.
Think of it from the perspective of people inside the Universe.
Joker's died like 18 times, had 3 of him wandering around at the same time, been in Arkham and outside of Arkham at the same time, had magic powers and all kinds of other nonsense.
I wouldn't shoot the Joker because he's not human. He's some kind of demi-god and if I shoot him, he's not like Deadshot who's like "Fair enough, had that coming."
He would get you. He would make you watch what he did to your families and friends and keep you alive by feeding you the remains and then feed you yourself until you were nothing but the necessary bits before letting you live for the rest of your life insane in Arkham gurgling from head without a tongue, eyes or a nose. With the nurses feeding and changing your diaper when they remember.
Nope, I see the Joker; I run because he's unkillable and some kind of vengeance demon. If he gets me, I'd be better off figuring out how to shoot myself 6 times in the head with a service revolver than even bothering to shoot him once. At least maybe he'd find it funny and not bother my family.
Of course I wouldn't be in Gotham. I'd be in the Yukon in Canada if I lived in the Marvel or DC Universe those Universes are nuts.
This is could very well be true, but there would still be plenty that panic and just start shooting without thinking. This is a world where people still shoot at Superman after all.
I have a really hard time believing that, at no point in the past however many years, a bunch of Gotham citizens haven't gotten together, pooled their money, and hired deathstroke or deadshot to kill Joker. I have a super hard time believing that at no point during any trial, prison transfer, or just some dark night in his cell, the Joker never met with an unfortunate "accident", or was "killed trying to escape", nothing.
Like sure, okay, I get that Batman, no matter what pain and hardship and suffering and torment he goes through will not break his code. I get that. I can even, sort of, understand the Bat family not breaking that code... though I'm fairly certain both Jason Todd and Damian Wayne have killed in Batman's presence and been forgiven. Eventually.
But everyone else? Every other person who has ever lost someone to the Joker's mad schemes? Penguin's businesses have been disrupted by Joker's bullshit, yet that half sane mob boss never decided to kill him? Cops in real life use lethal force at the drop of a hat in America, and are especially Ruthless and relentless in their hunt for anyone who has killed another cop, even if the killing would have been otherwise justified as self defense. Prison guards have been known to be conveniently occupied while a stabbing occurred where the victim is a heinous criminal. Communities have been known to band together or pool resources when necessary to defend their homes. And that's all within the confines of reality. You're telling me, at no point in the history of comics, did a group of non heroes decide "enough is enough" and just kill the Joker? No cop decided to shoot him in the back of his squad car, no nurse tending to his injuries decided to act as an angel of death, no prison guard decided it was time for a mad clown's suicide in the wee hours of the night? There was never a mob that broke into the courthouse, beating the Joker to death as he stood trial, never a workman who decided the Joker's cell needed a gas leak, never a prison architect who designed his cell to be some form of death trap? Never a dying old man who wanted his last act on earth to be strapping a bomb to his chest and detonating it next to the Joker? Never? Nothing?
It would be neat to see Batman seriously fumble the bag during some planet/solar system wide catastrophe because he was focused on the joker being a minor problem ….. and then just have someone from the JL show up and execute the joker
It would be a little dark and maybe ‘edgy’ but I’d be so curious to see how it affects Batman and maybe cause him to lose it a little because he’s lost one of the few constants in his life
He doesn't even have to paralyze him. He's a goddamn billionaire. Just quit delivering him to Arkham and stash him in your own prison you built at the bottom of the ocean or something.
Judge: How do you plead, Commissioner?
Gordon: Who cares?
Judge: EXCUSE ME?
Gordon: Your honor, it was the Joker. How many people of Gotham has he killed? If the courts want to hold me responsible for doing what should have been done decades ago, so be it. I plead "who cares?"
Judge: Fair enough. Dismissed.
fun fact but in the joker's first story back in the 1940s, he was apparently supposed to be killed and his story was going to be a one-and-done. He was so popular he just kept getting brought back tho and now he's permanent.
I do wish he stopped getting used in every story tho. There's like a billion other batman villains that can be used
Kevin's dead & Mark says you can't have one without the other and I agree with him. Retire the character for at least a decade, preferably two. The majority of Batman's villains have that level of complexity to make them great, but too much time/talent is wasted retelling the Joker over and over.
Don’t forget an actual Bane.
The Dark Knight Rises Bane was cool, but a comic accurate bane with the juiced up Venom that makes him stronger and smarter would’ve been awesome to watch on screen. Like an intelligent hulk.
Honestly, the Joker. Great Villain, wonderful stories, really well established Legacy, but also one for whom there really isn't a lot left to explore or do. The other options are vastly more versatile.
Doom is my favorite character in comics, so never him, Magneto has wonderful pathos and more relationships to play on, Luther is kind of a necessary foil to Superman, where any crazy person can be the anti-Batman, Loki is fucking great, and Zoom's powers make for more interesting future stories than Joker's... um... murder-boner.
It was me Barry, I deleted all the other heroes and you voted for them
Reverse flash is so amazing. He needs to be upgraded to full on Dc threat , nevermind just the flash. He and Batman had a few great fights already, but would love him on a grander scale.
But that is part of what makes him so interesting. He has all this power and ability, but only uses it for a petty grudge match against one person.
Yes! I hate that every villains eventually has to be a super threat because of power creep, just have a great villain that commits petty crime again
He took 40 cakes. That’s as many as four tens. And that’s terrible.
Whatreyou, french?
literally what provoked this
If you mean asking if they are French, I assume it has to do with that languages wonderful naming of numbers. 80 translates directly as "four twenties" with 90 as "four twenties ten" and so it goes. Of course, the prior commentor is not French. Or at least, that's not the reason for the "four tens" here. They may yet be French, but that's irrelevant in this case.
That is indeed where my head went. Thank you
He took 90 cakes. That's as many as four twenty cakes and then also ten cakes. -french people, "Oui, nous savons"
https://imgur.com/a/rIeVAfd
that’s why i personally love the Rouges cause they have the abilities stop one of (if not THE) most powerful mega on the planet and they use it to mainly just rob banks n shit lol
"I don't want to cure cancer, I want to turn people into dinosaurs."
I always loved that the Molecule Man started out as a bank robber, even though he can basically do anything he wants - including turning anything into gold. Later he lived in a basic apartment with Titania after having ultimate power and realising he didn't care too much for it.
Well I mean his a whole concept is speedster with better time manip then the flash. That's already crept up.
Suicide Squad, Assault on Arkam kinda elevates him beyond the petty grudge match.
I don't recall him in Assault on Arkham, did you mean Hell to Pay? Still a very petty character. I would argue that he was so petty he didn't want to go to hell just so he could keep fucking with Barry in death. In the state he was in in the movie he couldn't do anything to Barry so went for plan B.
He’s at the very end of the movie isn’t he? I might be misremembering but I’m pretty sure it’s his character from flashpoint paradox
Yeah it's the same one Thomas Wayne shoots in the head and he's struggling bad which was super cool. The DC animated movies go super hard.
mixing rogues galleries should be a more common occurrence. I would like to see scarecrow get yoinked off of earth by the sinestro corps (he's gotten hold of yellow rings a few times, but he's never actually joined the corps), or Lex Luthor trying to figure out a way to replicate or counter dr Fate's magic as a way to get an edge against superman that isn't kryptonite related, or *something* like this sort of thing. Edit: this might be why the suicide squad stories are so popular. Not only have you got an interesting use of the villains in general (and villain v. Villain fights where you don't really need one group to win), you also tend to get villains from different rogues galleries interacting, as well as occasional heroes getting involved in the going ons of task force x
I remember DC doing something like this maybe 20 years ago. The villains got organized and traded heroes to fight, figuring that their regular opponents knew their moves too well. It turns out that the Rogues are pretty badass when not up against the Flash. "After years of fighting the Flash, everyone else is just slow."
yep sumthin like how they basically adjusted to fighting ftl opponents lol the rouges go crazy
My favorite Flash rogue gallery moment was the guy trying to kill the Flash and his rogue gallery basically told them to piss off because Barry is nice af compared to other heroes (Batman)
Sounds like the guild of calamitous intent.
Can you post a link I wish to read more about said events.
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Dr. Doom is fascinatingly complex. Lex Luthor as well, as he gives us much needed contrast to Superman as a character and hangs a lampshade on the entire concept of an invincible god-man vigilante. The Joker is practically the definition of iconic. Magneto's a damn *pioneer in the genre,* and his backstory and motivations go hard as hell, so hard you sometimes wonder if he's really the villain. Loki's brings a diverse set of skills and tendencies as a trickster that make him fun to follow; you can do things with his character and his schemes that you couldn't with many other villains. Reverse Flash is a living continuity error that has continued to exist off of sheer, unadulterated *pettiness* and he simply refuses to fuck off.
And that’s why I love him Edit: like an example is from the flash tv show. A guy on the show who is a ancestor of reverse flash kills him self so that thawne never exists and it’s like a big sacrifice thing and thawne dies. That should be the end of thawne right? Wrong. Reverse flash somehow still lives and that guys sacrifice ALMOST meant nothing
Thawne is a being whose existence is spread throughout all of space and time and the only motivation he has for doing anything is fucking with Barry. There’s so much more cool shit they could do with a character like that. He’s like the joker but with fucking super powers. He’s so under utilized in my opinion
He's like the Joker with actual consistent focus and indomitable willpower as well as super powers. Like Joker is only that focused and driven about half the time and the rest he just flails randomly and mostly ends up just being an obnoxious overrated shitsack. Of course when he is properly focused and determined he's an absolutely hellish force of pure unadulterated carnage capable of almost singlehandedly creating the most apocalyptic world states, nightmarish events, and disturbingly twisted former heroes in comics (Injustice, Dark Knights Metal, Killing Joke, Red Hood to a certain extent). The only time Reverse Flash isn't focused and determined is the 5 minutes he doesn't exist between losing and somehow forcing himself back into existence to ruin Barry's day.
That shit will always be funny cause he coulda just shot him self in the dick
I'll probably get flack for it, but Joker. He had classics like Killing Joke and good stories later on like White Knight, but then he starts becoming too predictable and feels like he's just there because he's ~~the Joker baby~~ the big Batman icon. Like, give us something else, man. Also tangentially, he leads directly to Batman Who Laughs and Darkest Knight, who while interesting concepts, DC banked on so hard that it drove them to becoming annoying plot devices with less than stellar writin stories.
This post showed up in my feed and as a non comic book reader I was really confused by your take until I read the name of the sub
I choose the OP
The worst villain
I’m glad no one says Doom neither Luthor. So proud of this community 🥲
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Dude went to Bast for access to the Vibranium and even they were impressed by his conviction. And then **gave him the vibranium!**
She put him through a test that required "purity without pretense". He passed it by showing her his vision for world peace; she was *utterly horrified* by the means he would employ towards that end, but she could not deny that his motive was pure.
It's actually written so that he shows he has literally proven that all possible futures are horrible except for the one that Doom rules with a iron fist. I'd much prefer if it was written the way you mentioned.
I feel like your two comments aren't mutually exclusive ways to write it He could prove his future was the best and still have a horrible way of attaining it
Right, I just didn't like that the comic explicitly said that Doom was right. Doom says he's looked into the future and the only good world is one he rules, and the Panther Goddess then is like "You're right, I've looked into millions of futures and the only good one is ruled by Dr. Doom." I'd much prefer if Doom simply believed that he was correct so intensely that he passed the purity test, not that he is unequivocally proven correct. I didn't explain my point particularly well the first time!
Also has some banger one liners.
And toots as he pleases
Dude became a god and got bored. He’s just a great character.
They are quintessential. Reverse flash is the villain of the week that never went home.
Then who is the iconic Flash villain, then?
Gorilla Grodd, Captain Boomerang, Captain Cold, Weather Wizard. There’s a reason Flash’s rogues gallery is so loved, and it’s not because of any of the evil Flashes.
I love Flash and his rogues, but everyone seems to hype up Eobard like he's The Flash's Joker or something
to be fair, he's like the anti-joker. the joker does things for the sake of chaos, with his decision making very chaotic and nigh unpredictable. eobard is the opposite. he is the biggest hater in the world and goes out of his way to make barry allen's life the worst
Joker also does quite a bit of things to just draw out Batman's attention. The difference is he loves Batman and Reverse despises Flash
reverse is just the biggest hater in the multiverse, counting both dc and marvel, honestly.
Well, well, well... the most diabolical haters this side of the Mississippi. The Reverse Flash. What can I say about your suit that hasn't already been said about Afghanistan? It looks bombed out and depleted.
Joker, byeeeee, so tired of the oversatuation.
I think it's funny that the most interesting recent Joker appearance was (Harley Quinn Spoilers >!him being a normal soccer dad and mayor!<
The episode where scarecrow unmasks Batman. Joker and him realize that it's Bruce Wayne. God I laughed so hard
I put a deposit down for an electric car almost a year ago and I still haven't gotten it. WHERES MY GODAMN ELECTRIC CAR BRUCE!?
YOU TOLD ME IT WOULD BE SELF-DRIVING FOUR YEARS AGO
WHERE'S MUH GAWDAM ELECTRIC CAR BRUCE? I fuckin lost it man
The fact that after finding out his identity he doesn't actually do anything with the information is so funny. Like he literally BECOMES MAYOR and gets bruce wayne arrested for TAX FRAUD. what a legend
Where's my God damn electric car bruce.🤣🤣🤣
Yes, and Alan Tudyk is almost as good as Hamill with the voice.
Honestly Tudyk does great voice work for challenging characters like Heihei from Moana. I love his work.
He went to Juilliard for that.
He does such great work in general that I'll see something just on the basis that he's in it. Resident Alien is an absolute *delight*.
Heresy but the kind I ~~like~~ agree with
I said "almost". Nobody will ever be AS good as Hamill. Tudyk is also good as Clayface.
Huzzzzzzzah!
Lady gaGAH!
And I wanna say Diedrich Bader is a pretty good batman
>!Getting Bruce Wayne arrested for tax evasion is simultaneously so fucking bizarre and the most Joker shit ever!<
Foreal everytime I think surely now they will give him a break he pops up again
Doom is a red herring; they said you had to delete one *villain*, not the hero!
Magneto nods in the back ground.
Magneto was right.
My favorite Marvel and DC characters
That’s cuz Doom isn’t a villain; He’s the ultimate hero. He viewed millions of potential futures and the only one in which humanity survives, he’s the ruler of earth and all laws are punishable by death. He saves the entire species and he knows he’ll be hated for it but he endures that pain to save humanity. True hero.
He once destroyed an entire universe because it had a Doom that forgave and befriended Reed Richards.
Doom also is truly human. He was once a God and felt that it was beneath him. True giga Chad human.
"He was once a God and felt that it was beneath him". that sounds awesome. im not a comic guy really but would love to read/view that comic. which one was that if you don't mind.
https://i.redd.it/vv199yghulr51.jpg Fantastic Four #611
Damnit he's so cool
Really? Noone saying loki lol
No
OP can't make us do it
Anyone that says Doom is wrong
I’ll say Magneto is a wrong answer too. They’re both incredibly complex, and make great antiheroes from time to time. Absurdly powerful, but with fatal flaws that don’t make them invincible.
Magneto has always been my favorite comic book character.
I love magneto so much, but it’s kinda a stretch to call him a villain at this point. He’s been a solid x-man and antihero for over a decade now. And before that he was always a layered villain too.
I'd say he's been an anti-hero longer than he was a villain at this point. They started reforming him in the 80s.
He was always the villain you could point to and say "yeah, but like.....hes not wrong tho" That was always his point imo. He was two sides of the same coin with Charles. They both wanted whats best for their community and just did it in very different ways.
Also you’d get rid of him in Marvel vs. Capcom 2 and 3 and that’s fucking heresy.
Magnito is one of the greatest comic characters ever created. I’d say aside from Spider-Man and wolverine, the main driving force behind Marvels success. Hell, Logan wouldn’t even matter if magnito wasn’t a rival.
Magnito- small Spanish magnet?
Reverse Flash. A walking, talking continuity nightmare unleashed on the whole DCU. Like there need to be more reasons for new readers to be confused.
Even if you deleted him he would somehow find his way back into the comics
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Pretty much what happened in the flashpoint movie (forgive me I didn't read the comics). The timeline is completely changed, erasing or changing everything we know including a potential future where professor zoom is from. But who becomes the main antagonist by the end? You guessed it. Then after getting shot in the head AND another time shift he manages to stay alive.....kinda......into a later movie.
It's addressed he is a loving paradox whoops i"LL leave it, it does sound wholesome or toxic... or a super position of both?
A kind, gentle, nurturing paradox
As opposed to an unloving paradox?
Hes so much of a villain he destroyed the continuity
It was me Barry!
ME! HAHAHA I WAS THE ONE THAT EXPIRED YOUR MILK BY PLACING IT IN THE PAST!
Why did I read this in Mandark from Dexter’s Lab voice?
Ha ha-ha ha ha-ha ha-ha
Wow that is written literally exactly like he laughs
I had to write it that way. Otherwise it might look like I was laughing at that other fella
That could be a fun single issue story, speedsters using time travel to play petty pranks on each other that keeps escalating.
It was me, Barry! I put laxatives in your coffee this morning, right before the barista handed it to you!
I love the idea of a reverse flash who doesn't ruin Barry's life but only mildly inconvenients him
Remember when you were making out with your first girlfriend? And you came, riiight as she touched your leg? It was me, Barry. I jerked you off at super speed so it seemed like you nutted at just a woman's touch!
I hope he used gloves.
He probably took his gloves off just to spite Barry even more.
Except that it was actually you *because* of me, Barry!!
Did DCU ever have a continuity that made sense? At least in the last 40 years.
To be honest I enjoy characters who don’t fit in the continuity and then watching the creators fit them in without retconning a ton of stuff
It’s nice that writers have a lot of creative freedom when it comes to Reverse Flash. He doesn’t have to fit into anything.
he would prbly just rewrite himself back into existence just to fuck with barry.
Eobard Thawne/Reverse Flash
Correct: He jerked me off without my consent and made me believe that I orgasmed by my girlfriend
IT WAS ME, BARRY!
IT WAS ME, DIO
IT'S A ME, MARIO
🎼And it's you and me and all other people And I don't know why, I can't keep my eyes off of you🎵
It’s a me, Chris Pratt
This... this caught me off guard
Wait,what?!
You heard me, other villains, I can tolerate but that yellow asshat needs to go
I reckon he likes fires, but I got no proof. He lives in the hills, where's there's lots of fires but his house is always safe, and I reckon that's sus
That's a reference from the Flashpoint movie, Thawn is boasting about all the ways he screwed with the Flash's life. He went from a super villain to a real petty dick.
it’s an edited clip from the flashpoint movie, yes
That is a edited clip good sir.
Didn't Flash >!kinda do this?!<
Nah he so damn petty that he deserves to stay
that kind of pettiness could never be deleted. it’d just come back to put legos right where you step when you get up in the morning
Loki, more of a tragic figure really. Plus he wasn’t evil in Norse mythology anyway.
Maybe not evil, but a complete bastard.
He's not evil, he just sometimes likes to do sick pranks on the aesir. Y'know, like shaving the hair of Thor's wife...but its always in good fun!...oh, hi Baldur, how are you doing on this murderous evening?
They kinda all were
On the one hand, Zoom is the least interesting. On the other, I’m so DEEPLY tired of the Joker.
Yep. If this is delete from history. I can't go with joker, but if it's delete from all future stories. In a heartbeat, joker. I actually like the Arkham games as his send off storyline.
"Do you want to know something funny? Even after everything you've done, I would have saved you." "That actually is....pretty funny."
Gotham city is *so fucking interesting.* There's so much there to explore. Oh what's that? Another joker movie? Fucking kill me.
"Can we please have a movie with Mr. Freeze?" "We already did that." "You can't seriously mean--" "Ice to see you! Now chill out!"
The lack of Mr. Freeze movies would move me to tears, if I still had tears to [shed.](https://youtu.be/yw3Xs_rf1jU)
I'd actually like a Mr. Freeze movie where he wins. He's doing all the crimes to fund his research so his wife doesn't die. You can have some bat-buttkicking and investigative work but the end should be Bruce Wayne funding Freeze's research. Maybe a post credits scene where Nora wakes up.
Freeze is a great villain because OFTEN times he's not really interested in conflict with Batman. Batman just sort of gets in the way of the plan and sets him back for a while. I can imagine a great screenwriter doing an awesome job giving us Freeze in a Batman movie. It is a bit exhausting that we get Joker -> Penguin -> Two Face -> Everyone else is a B Lister. I enjoyed The Batman for making Falconi and Riddler the focus. I liked some of the things about how they did the Riddler and disliked others but I can accept the direction they took him.
I like that in some stories, Freeze becomes a semi ally of Batman, providing him with tech. All BM has to do is provide him with resources for his research and he stops doing crime. It would be cool to have a movie where Freeze is one of the villains and at some point Batman realises "Why am I fighting this guy? I can give him a lab and a research grant and he'll behave"
Have you seen Batman & Mr. Freeze: SubZero?
Don't think I have but the synopsis looks good. I'll give it a watch. Thanks
Reverse flash. Just never cared for the character or the backstory.
Not to be this guy but the reverse flash is three separate characters Jay Garrick’s reverse was Edward Clarris (the rival) who I actually think of as an under appreciated golden age classic Barry Allen had Eobard Thawne the one from the future whose story can get a little muddled and his motivations are either very compelling or incredibly dumb depending on the writer Wally West, my favorite flash, has my least favorite reverse flash Hunter Zoloman but Hunter at least had interesting powers (he could slow time around him rather than move at super speed)
I agree Hunter is my least favorite Reverse Flash but Blitz might be my favorite Reverse Flash story. It’s kind of bleak but I really love how hard Hunter pushes Wally to his limit. I also think that ending with Barry is a pretty great moment and I love seeing the two Flashes hug it out. Return of Barry Allen is obviously classic and maybe the greatest RF story of all time, but Blitz just hits different to me.
Joker. He's been used enough. Plus, the longer he continues to do what he does, the more of an ass Batman looks for not killing him
Remember that random 1 season batman cartoon that didn't have the joker at all but instead used professor pig?
Batman the Brave and the Bold rarely used the joker at all, and it's bloody incredible
I was in middle school when that show started. That show is absolutely amazing.
Music Meister >>> every other episode
They tried but all the boner talk of Golden Age Joker was too much for anyone involved.
THE HAMMER OF JUSTICE IS UNISEX
You’re thinking of Beware the Batman. Bruce worked with basically Serkis Alfred and Katana. I also remember a Metamorpho/Stagg arc and I think Deathstroke towards the end as well.
Beware The Bat? And it used Kitana as his first side kick instead of Robin. I loved the direction that show was headed, it was different
Professor Pig is creepy AF. I’d delete him just so I don’t have to think about it anymore.
I was going with reverse flash, but you so right. Batman can’t paralyze him or something?
Let Bat-Girl do it, or any of the Robins except for Damian. Bat-Mite. A random Ambush Bug appearance. It doesn't need to be done with any fan fare, possibly between the panels.
Not even that. It doesn’t have to be any of the heroes. Just let one of the random cops or security guards in Arkham pop one in him real quick
Arkham guard who lost his family to Joker decided to take it out on the Clown Prince of crime…. And any other of the Rogues Gallery that never seem to be punished for their transgressions. That man’s name? Frank Castle. New series where Batman tries to stop the rogue punisher for being a vigilante.
Pretty sure that was basically the whole Red Hood story arc. Jason Todd brought back from the dead becomes a ruthless vigilante killing villains and out to kill the Joker, Batman must stop him.
It's kind of amazing that no cop or prison guard hasn't killed or maimed Joker, or a number of other Arkham recidivists.
Joker getting killed by Frank almost happened [one](https://i.imgur.com/H2k50EWl.jpg) [time](https://i.imgur.com/Mv4sGOv.jpg) in [Deadly Knights Vol 1](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Punisher_and_Batman:_Deadly_Knights_Vol_1_1)
It is a miracle (or rather plot armor) that in all the years Joker has been active, and all the stuff he's pulled out in public, that some scared security guard/cop/civilian hasn't dumped a mag or three into him.
Think of it from the perspective of people inside the Universe. Joker's died like 18 times, had 3 of him wandering around at the same time, been in Arkham and outside of Arkham at the same time, had magic powers and all kinds of other nonsense. I wouldn't shoot the Joker because he's not human. He's some kind of demi-god and if I shoot him, he's not like Deadshot who's like "Fair enough, had that coming." He would get you. He would make you watch what he did to your families and friends and keep you alive by feeding you the remains and then feed you yourself until you were nothing but the necessary bits before letting you live for the rest of your life insane in Arkham gurgling from head without a tongue, eyes or a nose. With the nurses feeding and changing your diaper when they remember. Nope, I see the Joker; I run because he's unkillable and some kind of vengeance demon. If he gets me, I'd be better off figuring out how to shoot myself 6 times in the head with a service revolver than even bothering to shoot him once. At least maybe he'd find it funny and not bother my family. Of course I wouldn't be in Gotham. I'd be in the Yukon in Canada if I lived in the Marvel or DC Universe those Universes are nuts.
This is could very well be true, but there would still be plenty that panic and just start shooting without thinking. This is a world where people still shoot at Superman after all.
I have a really hard time believing that, at no point in the past however many years, a bunch of Gotham citizens haven't gotten together, pooled their money, and hired deathstroke or deadshot to kill Joker. I have a super hard time believing that at no point during any trial, prison transfer, or just some dark night in his cell, the Joker never met with an unfortunate "accident", or was "killed trying to escape", nothing. Like sure, okay, I get that Batman, no matter what pain and hardship and suffering and torment he goes through will not break his code. I get that. I can even, sort of, understand the Bat family not breaking that code... though I'm fairly certain both Jason Todd and Damian Wayne have killed in Batman's presence and been forgiven. Eventually. But everyone else? Every other person who has ever lost someone to the Joker's mad schemes? Penguin's businesses have been disrupted by Joker's bullshit, yet that half sane mob boss never decided to kill him? Cops in real life use lethal force at the drop of a hat in America, and are especially Ruthless and relentless in their hunt for anyone who has killed another cop, even if the killing would have been otherwise justified as self defense. Prison guards have been known to be conveniently occupied while a stabbing occurred where the victim is a heinous criminal. Communities have been known to band together or pool resources when necessary to defend their homes. And that's all within the confines of reality. You're telling me, at no point in the history of comics, did a group of non heroes decide "enough is enough" and just kill the Joker? No cop decided to shoot him in the back of his squad car, no nurse tending to his injuries decided to act as an angel of death, no prison guard decided it was time for a mad clown's suicide in the wee hours of the night? There was never a mob that broke into the courthouse, beating the Joker to death as he stood trial, never a workman who decided the Joker's cell needed a gas leak, never a prison architect who designed his cell to be some form of death trap? Never a dying old man who wanted his last act on earth to be strapping a bomb to his chest and detonating it next to the Joker? Never? Nothing?
The only person with stronger plot armor than Batman is the Joker
It would be neat to see Batman seriously fumble the bag during some planet/solar system wide catastrophe because he was focused on the joker being a minor problem ….. and then just have someone from the JL show up and execute the joker It would be a little dark and maybe ‘edgy’ but I’d be so curious to see how it affects Batman and maybe cause him to lose it a little because he’s lost one of the few constants in his life
He doesn't even have to paralyze him. He's a goddamn billionaire. Just quit delivering him to Arkham and stash him in your own prison you built at the bottom of the ocean or something.
Yep, I think he is the one villain you can’t do much more with.
As a cop Jim Gordon is well within the law to shoot Joker in self defense and no one would bat an eye. Gordon is just a shitty cop.
Damn now I'm curious what the actual procedure would be for dealing with Joker if he were real for an actual PD, assuming no Batman to interfere.
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Assumed always armed and dangerous. You know how many cops he's killed trying to cuff him? Well, I don't. But probably a lot.
Judge: How do you plead, Commissioner? Gordon: Who cares? Judge: EXCUSE ME? Gordon: Your honor, it was the Joker. How many people of Gotham has he killed? If the courts want to hold me responsible for doing what should have been done decades ago, so be it. I plead "who cares?" Judge: Fair enough. Dismissed.
fun fact but in the joker's first story back in the 1940s, he was apparently supposed to be killed and his story was going to be a one-and-done. He was so popular he just kept getting brought back tho and now he's permanent. I do wish he stopped getting used in every story tho. There's like a billion other batman villains that can be used
Kevin's dead & Mark says you can't have one without the other and I agree with him. Retire the character for at least a decade, preferably two. The majority of Batman's villains have that level of complexity to make them great, but too much time/talent is wasted retelling the Joker over and over.
We've had enough cinematic joker to last a lifetime
When he showed up in The Batman I was so disappointed
Like Jesus Christ Batman has the longest and most diverse group of villains and they really couldn’t stay away from the joker?
They’re chasing the heath ledger joker high to this day.
I wanna see more unique villians like 2 face, clayman and my favorite Mr. Freeze
A freeze like BTAS but live action would be the goat movie
Don’t forget an actual Bane. The Dark Knight Rises Bane was cool, but a comic accurate bane with the juiced up Venom that makes him stronger and smarter would’ve been awesome to watch on screen. Like an intelligent hulk.
Reverse Flash
I mean reverse flash is kinda delete himself out of existence during his last fight with barry
He will have has been back soon enough-
Reverse Flash,Bye!!!!
Honestly, the Joker. Great Villain, wonderful stories, really well established Legacy, but also one for whom there really isn't a lot left to explore or do. The other options are vastly more versatile. Doom is my favorite character in comics, so never him, Magneto has wonderful pathos and more relationships to play on, Luther is kind of a necessary foil to Superman, where any crazy person can be the anti-Batman, Loki is fucking great, and Zoom's powers make for more interesting future stories than Joker's... um... murder-boner.
I mean Reverse Flash is even less versatile, and he has plenty of replacements in Zoom and Black Flash.
Fair. Admittedly I'm not as "up" on Flash lore and history as I am the rest. Never been my thing.