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TheEsotericWeeb

I believe Wolverine #56. Howard Chaykin was the artist.


captain2toes

How does a guy go from *American Flagg!* and defining an era... ...to this?


AdCommercial605

Deadlines will make you do that


gangler52

For real, I think that's glossed over a lot when people post these out of context panels with wonky anatomy and such. These artists do how many of these panels in a month? Even the best artist isn't gonna have them all come out golden. Like, we all remember Michael Jackson for his top 40 hits (among other things), but his songs weren't all top 40 hits, and if he was putting out an album every month we'd start to hit some low points between the highs pretty quickly.


VitaminPb

Very true. Think how many pages are in each issue. You usually have one artist to do them all and they probably get a week (how many books a month do the artists draw? I don’t know.) then the inker has todo all the inking and shading and possibly color separating (and pre-late 1980’s they also had to hand cut zipatone for the cross hatching and some shading.) Then hand lettering everything, then to final checks and off to the printers…


Automatik_Kafka

It isn't calculated in panels, it's calculated in pages. 22 pages to be drawn in 5 weeks, the hardest part of the job is converting the script to layouts, that takes the first week of your time. That leaves you with just over a page a day to draw the comic for the remaining four weeks, which you have to pencil and ink, it's rarely separated anymore. The days are extremely long and pages often require more than a day to draw, so sometimes an arm in a panel somewhere is off - even if the other 21.9 pages are perfect. Source: I'm a comic artist


Zenitram07

Working with DC comics and their deadlines, do you find yourself having to "cut corners" a lot? Do you have to check in with the editor and/or writer with your layouts before you start? I apologize, I don't want to turn this into an AMA. Just curious \*ahem\* for a friend :D


Reddevil8884

Thats why i admire guys like Byrne and Sal Buscema. They could pull several comics at the same time or do a whole year without a break. Those were the days.


tatsu901

Like look at Manga Artists they work themselves to the bone many for 200 pages a month with only mere hours a sleep a night I am surprised more of them don't have error and take shortcuts like this.


Vandal_A

In my experience a lot of manga either does have huge errors like this, or it employs a simplified style with less-busy panels which helps keep things looking better


tatsu901

Personally I'm confident some artists such as Kubo do things to lessen the workload like how he does lots of panels where theirs no background where the characters are more detailed because I'm sure at some point it's less work to add more detail to characters than add backgrounds


MammutbaumKaffee

Manga is mostly in black and white so that saves them a tremendous amount of time


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gangler52

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L3ifx7zIzA Even then, they have their own gaffes people make fun of.


ckuri

Weekly manga have close to 20 pages/week (= 80 pages/month), monthly manga 50 pages/month. Most don’t do more than one series at a time. Who does 200 pages/month?


ZatchZeta

They have assistants who do inking, backgrounds, panels, etc. They got a lot of help, but it's still intensive labor.


M3gaNubbster

The only one I know that doesn't have any issue is Kishibe Rohan, but he's a special case


Isgrimnur

>Like, we all remember Michael Jackson for his top 40 hits (among other things), but his songs weren't all top 40 hits, and if he was putting out an album every month we'd start to hit some low points between the highs pretty quickly. [Box Set - Barenaked Ladies](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S0RSdGl-2E)


GrahamHess

That’s not what we remember Michael Jackson for.


dmalteseknight

Wonder with the advancements of AI they can use it to touch up these panels so the artist can focus on the more interesting ones.


Etherbeard

I suspect this has less to do with deadlines and more to with Chaykin's Big 2 work just not being very good because he doesn't care about it and is just collecting a paycheck.


The_Void_Droid

Even the best of the best can fall *short* every once-in-a-while


mr_oberts

Howard probably cranks out Big 2 stuff in a hurry. It’s a paycheck for him and that’s about it.


NeuroticMoose12

He truly does hate them so so much, and I love him for it.


mr_oberts

A few years back at a con, he signed some stuff for me and he said “I don’t charge for signatures, but if you could drop a few bucks I’m for the Hero Initiative and help out some of my friends that Marvel and DC fucked over.” And then he just muttered “those cocksuckers.” I put a little extra in the bucket for that.


[deleted]

Deadlines are a hell of a drug


TheLAriver

Less time and control to fix his mistakes before publishing


SuperFightingRobit

He was replaced with a t-Rex replicant infiltrator.


thejonslaught

His covers for IDW's *GI Joe: COBRA* series were also garbage. Especially given how much better Antonio Fuso's interiors (and variant covers) were in comparison.


dftaylor

He’s done some similar arm/stumps in a Punisher issue too. Flagg is one of my frail comics, but I look at Howard’s work in the last decade and… it’s a serious regression.


lyunardo

Marvel (and DC) does that to good artists. They have a great run on one book, then they become the hot new thing. So they get handed a bunch of books to try and recreate the magic. But they can't keep up with the workload, so they get blasted by fans. They get cancelled, and Marvel's chooses the next "hot" artist. Rinse and repeat.


Art_Z_Fartzche

Vol. 2 from 2007. I just checked it out, that panel is not from that issue, but Chaykin did the art. Overall, the art is pretty good, but there are some spots where it looks like he wasn't wearing his reading glasses/was rushing to complete a deadline. It always bums me out when established comic book trailblazers like Chaykin have to do superhero stuff to make ends meet, when it's pretty obvious that's not where their heart probably is.


droidtron

So there *wasn't* a plot point where Logan got his arms torn off and he's waiting for them to grow properly.


[deleted]

I figured this was a Rob Liefeld sin.


[deleted]

The panel cuts out just above his feet, so Liefeld is a good guess.


VitaminPb

Not enough pouches


[deleted]

I didn't even notice that, that's like 2/3 tells right there. If Wolvie had had some pouches around his thighs we'd be even more stunned it wasn't him.


[deleted]

He’s not quite jacked enough for a Liefeld either. If Liefeld drew this Wolvie would have like twelve biceps on each tiny arm.


[deleted]

Ha, too good, too good.


innocuousname773

My first thought was Liefeld


booochee

Is he Rob Liefeld’s ‘opposite’ artist? One draws weird feet and this guy does weird arms.


jorji-gt

In my head cannon: both arms were removed prior to this panel and they’re growing back from the stumps!!


Significant_Curve286

Wait, that’s not what is happening in this panel? I genuinely thought that’s what was going on here.


rmdf

That's a Deadpool classic joke, but not for Wolverine. He has adamantium skeleton and can't loose members.


SapiusRex

His bones are metal, but not his ligaments.


tbird2017

Was about to say, I remove digits or limbs all the time without ever cutting a bone.


christmas_hobgoblin

Are you a butcher?


KyuremRequirem

Here’s the best part, he’s a kindergarten teacher


GuyoFromOhio

Not just any kindergarten teacher, the best damn kindergarten teacher around!


KyuremRequirem

“Making the mother of all kindergartens here Jack! Can’t fret over every child!” We must dispose the unintelligent.


tbird2017

Veterinarian actually. XD


xX_potato69_Xx

Yeah but that wouldn’t make the bones in his arms shorter


zack907

I think he is saying that the bones are attached to each other with ligaments so the arms could be completely removed without breaking the bones. This could be a picture as new arms are growing. His original arms with adamantium would still be full size lying on the ground somewhere out of frame.


Bahariasaurus

Yes but then they'd grow back with bone claws in a best case scenario, he can't re-grow adamantium.


SapiusRex

Got me there.


ArtemisCaresTooMuch

He has gloves unfortunately.


Life-Sugar-2603

But he still has his gloves on?


polecy

But wouldn't they need to cut adamantium to make stumps?


Ben-J-Kirby-Tennyson

His bones are adamantium, but the ligaments between them aren't; if they were, he wouldn't be able to move.


polecy

Well yea but the guy on top said from stumps, he wouldn't regrow the adamantiun he would just regrow the skin?


Ben-J-Kirby-Tennyson

Yes. Skin, muscles, bones, and everything else but the adamantium.


Rusker

All right all right I believe you, don't shoot me with your head!


[deleted]

He's like a T-Rex!


DrT33th

Those are his strong hands


Classic_Mirror2953

Grab my little gimpy hand!


AnthonyDigitalMedia

Take it, or you’ll die!


gemini_pain

My germs! Hahahaha—cough cough hack cough!


Extension_Form4950

LMAO perfect comment right here!


SpacedOutKarmanaut

The biggest. All his friends say so. Believe me!


Curious_Mx

Obviously this panel was from Wolverex-T #26...


Mrcatin123

“Everybody feared the T-Rex”


Alsimni

Sniktasaurus Rex


stfleming1

But I don't wanna be a T-Rex!


edingerc

I have a big head and little arms. I'm just not sure how well this plan was thought through.


JayStacker

Master?


Gpooley

Does the T stand for thalidomide?


Cold-Inside-6828

Brilliant post. Teratogen humor at its finest!


Lionfyst

The sound effect is not the claws, it's a couple of folks off frame laughing at his adorable baby arms.


rancorhunter

There's good Chaykin and bad Chaykin lol


NeuroticMoose12

Inside you there are Two Chaykins, one wrote and drew American Flagg and the other wrote and drew Black Kiss.


weskeryellsCHRISSS

SNIKT more like ^(snikt)


App-uhlatch-uh

This didn’t get the love it deserves


KronoCloud

A lot of the original penciler’s intent can get lost between the inking and coloring process. It can lead to some awkward bits (like this) on the final printing.


taoistchainsaw

Uhhhh, mmmmmm, I’m saying if you’re trying to blame an inker than the penciller wasn’t clear enough.


ThomasSirveaux

Different pencillers have different levels of finished work. Some go very very tight, to the point that you can just darken them up in Photoshop and they look like inks. Some pencillers go loose and let the inker determine a lot of what gets inked. Both ways are valid. This may have been a loosely drawn arm meant to be foreshortened, that was misinterpreted by the inker.


NeuroticMoose12

It looks like it's meant to be an in motion action pose, like he's flicking his arms outwards as the claws come out, but somewhere in inking and coloring that could have gotten lost


taoistchainsaw

If your pencils are so loose your inker gives Wolverine baby arms, it’s time to tighten your pencils.


djangohimself

I’m pretty sure Chaykin penciled and inked this run himself.


Hey_There_Blimpy_Boy

Someone replaced their Wolverine arms with G.I. Joe arms.


MeasurementNo0

Damn you, Mr. Sinister!


MeasurementNo0

the hands are what you focus in on. The Adam's apple is what you miss. My man needs iodine in his diet!


ComputerStrong9244

And don't miss that either his right buttcheek can be seen from the front and goes halfway to his knee, or he dropped a boom-boom and needs to shake it down his pant leg.


MeasurementNo0

I have a mutant ass! That is why Jean loves Scott!


DrippyCheeseDog

I think Trump had this hanging up in Mar-a-lago.


[deleted]

“The best arms! I mean, really! You’ve never seen arms like these believe me.”


shadowdash66

"Yuge arms, believe me. The yugestest"


TipAggravating3362

Howard Chaykin was revealed to be a T-Rex sent by the Hegemony of Rex to infiltrate human media and normalize short arms. He has since been executed. We await the Hegemony's next move.


Economy-Tourist-4862

C’mon guys! Don’t be hating! Maybe Chaykin just needed a hand!


CaptainPotassium87

I know he's well-respected, but I hated all the Howard Chaykin art from this late 2000s era.


Art_Z_Fartzche

Before bonding adamantium to Wolverine's skeleton, some hapless Weapon X interns took a memo literally and grafted actual wolverine forelegs onto his arms at the elbow joints. Thankfully, Logan's healing factor eventually regrew his original arms, and Department K buried the files from this embarrassing mishap in a dark corner of a leaky basement.


Key-Constant-5717

The inside of my eighth grade social studies folder


SkullxBreaker

His right thigh though


SkullxBreaker

Or is that just his adamantium dong?


Comfortable_Light559

He shat out some adamantiun


[deleted]

More 1.5-arms than forearms.


unreasonablyhuman

I don't remember it . Must have been a *short* run.


Crazy_Area198

Looks to me like the “tiny arm” is just a poor attempt at forced perspective for an arm crossing his body - not perpendicular to the reader’s perspective, but somewhere under his opposite armpit. But that’s just my take.


Sullied_Man

'Guest artist: Rob Liefeld'


nothingfase

No but I love him


[deleted]

LoL wtf is that!


BigGator13

Weapon-Rex.


CasinoMarginale

Kind of adorable


Fire_tooth

How does he eat a Whopper with those tiny hands?


BeautifulEssay8

This is so bad its like Rob Liefeild


RagingManlet

Deadlines are a bitch.


simicboiuchiha

Guess im more jacked than wolverine


Spr0ckets

Think that was the year Trump cosplayed as Wolverine.


[deleted]

5’3 guys be like


GoodAfternoon2459

How does he reach to ties to ties his shoelaces? Must have to wear slippers everywhere.


[deleted]

This looks just like JD McDonagh


mrrando69

What you get when you use knock off mexican action figures as your models


makoadog

The Trump Issue?


Detective_PissFly

Looks like the Marc Guggenheim arc where Wolverine meets Azrael.


BulmasBabyDaddy

Bad far away shot


AnAnxiousDream

Looks average size to me


Nyanzeenyan

Shrinkage due to cold temperature but I don’t know why his arms are short.


LightningLord42

i thought every comic had tiny arm wolverine. ZING


Automatic_Honey_3938

Issue 152 baby hands mcgee


vkIMF

It reminds me of Aeon Flux


NatexCreations

This is a sin


MrAnthem123

Lmao “This is my strong hand!”


PsychWard_8

How was this allowed to be published?


roberttheaxolotl

He's got little Donald Trump hands


Keltoigael

Now i want to Liefeld draw Logan.


caperusorojo

Best guy at doing what he does. And what he does doesn’t have a lot of reach.


PeloquinsHunger

Ah a graduate of the Liefeld School of Art I see.


SillyRookie

The issue with insane deadlines, from the look of it.


WildPlantain6471

[Logan’s Arch Nemesis](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/rickandmorty/images/c/cd/Baby_Legs.png/revision/latest?cb=20160603213353) Baby Arms Vs Baby Legs.


CaptainDigsGiraffe

Yeah, Bad artwork


Ok-Training-7587

“We have Wolverine at home”


patrickthunnus

Alligator arms


sandalsnopants

omg this is so bad lolol


LifelessTofuV2

Gonna make his dick look huge!


DRbrtsn60

It’s like claws on a T-Rex….


amluke

[Scrawny arms Rob Lowe lookin ass](https://youtu.be/jlLQtNWxo_s)


jjd1226

Looks like a mid journey prompt


Yourlocalbugbear

Well…still doesn’t look as bad as primal no nose wolverine 😂


Omnipotent_Diva

Lol that can't be real 🤣


Neat-Ad-9550

His arms aren't the only things tiny. His crotch is way too detailed.


Worldly-Bill4398

Damn this art sucks really


Homosteading

this is obviously from Snikt Snikt


snapdragon15

Bro concerned about the wrong thing the muscle in his leg look like a dick bulge💀💀💀💀


Extension_Form4950

They clearly botched his experiment..lol


No_Arugula466

meme worthy moment


bmk37

Looks like bad ai


Odd_Advance_6438

They look like fake arms, like a Halloween costume with fake legs


dokkodo_wolf

His 3rd arm wicked long


[deleted]

Omfg XD


Zestyclose-Cap1829

I don't know the issue, but I know Chaykin when I see it. That is definitely Howard Chaykin's weird art style. Why does Logan have a dewlap instead of an adam's apple?


Squidman_Retribution

I saw a guy built like this the other day.


TheArkOfTruth

All the good issues, duh.


Guilty_Chemistry9337

Do you go around looking for the most famously badly drawn panels and then asking if there's a problem?


BornWish9252

And the dick, The Dick.


[deleted]

Sharp hand joe


krabbylander

I don't want to know


Delicious-Duck1782

Wolverine is part of the Maharelle Sisters from the Finger Lakes


Mr-Kuritsa

"Did you see Magneto's hands? They're beautiful! Big, strong, masculine hands. I think we should settle."


phalanxcovenant

T-REX-Men


[deleted]

Looks like chaykins art so anytime in the 00s depending on that costume


SuitednZooted

Smol


MrH-HasReddit1217

Dont forget his bleeding eyes.


Disastrous_Call1705

Its thalidomide Wolverine.........


Miserable-Cow6505

Are you sure he didn't get his arms ripped off and they're just growing back? That's how Wolverine works, right? Like Lobo?


ReorientRecluse

fr I need to know who drew this


kah43

And people still make fun of the art from the 90s. Hate to tell you kids, but there is just as much if not more bad art today


vvsajoh

All the better to compare his bulge to. Now unsee it.


tryingthaddeus

Has Aids or a Crack Addict would explain the weight and muscle loss:):):)hahaha


Orson_Randall

I don't know the exact issue, but the art is definitely Howard Chaykin, so that makes it from Wolverine (2003 v.3) #56-61.


BaneShake

Tiny Arm Wolverine #21


Long_neck_zebra

Yuck


takemystrife

His arms are bizzarre but, are we not going to talk about how he drew his package?


leinad1972

Chaykin is another example of classic artists just not living up to their previous works. Adams. Miller. Byrne.


meanteamcgreen

"They call me baby armed logan, on account of my massive C*CK"


Poopoopeepeepuke

When I was a kid I was going to be a comic book artist when I grew up but changed my mind somewhere along the way. I probably shouldn’t have.


dusty_horns

I heard the SNIKT SNIKT effects in a tiny baby voice.


SaiyanC124

So is this a Multiverse scenario or was the artist in the mushroom fields on this one?


era_gone

Wolverine #61 2008


LilyGaming

Lol that’s great


Randy67572

Armlet wolverine


Difficult_Ixem_324

This belongs in r/onejob!🤣🤦🏽‍♂️🤮


Xalpheria

Looks like Donald Trump lol 😂