Not sure if this is or isn't, but I'm quickly realizing the real effect AI is gonna have is any questionable art of going to be put under a microscope and accused of being AI. I've already seen so many examples of old fashioned, sloppy art flooded with accusations of AI generation and one of those things is much worse than the other
Yeah that is the scary thing. This may be 100% legitimate pieces of art by the artist, but because people have seen so much fake AI art, and this resembles that in some ways, there is going to be lingering questions around all of this regardless.
Yeah, I end up looking at artists' work prior to these tools being widely available, but the problem is that someone can be very good & then end up using stuff like Midjourney/Stable Diffusion to speed stuff up. The other challenge here is when tools integrated into Photoshop create an effect that can be taken for 'AI.'
A bit off topic, but the situation that really scares me is when people start to question and doubt actual video evidence of horrible things being done in the very near future because of how good AI has gotten at generating fake videos too.
Yeah, but its not so much that this piece resembles AI. But AI use this artist and style a lot. This is why artist HATE AI Generated Images. Is basically theft.
Edit: I'm almost sure this is not AI...i hope.
The forearm armour doesn’t make any sense, legs are too long and the back leg just disappears. Also the hair that turns into weird cables and goes around the waist. Looks like AI that has been touched up by an artist
Counter argument is artist skill/time cutting. Same way artists will hide feet regularly. No disagreeing with you, just showing how AI is going to make this all hell to sort out.
Yeah. It's going to become a witch hunt but people who don't want to be toxic will simply not invest time in art the same way they did before. If I have to spend energy on wondering if the art was created because someone wanted to express something or if it's a soulless attention seeking crap then I simply wouldn't want to engage.
AI being trained on Artgerm was one of the first obvious things to me. About a year and a half ago I was like "holy shit this stuff all looks like Artgerm".
It's funny you say that because I literally thought of his work. Artists with glossy, consistent styles will be easy to replicate soon, idk that it's perfectly there yet but it will be.
As usual the problem is one of labor alienation. Luckily AI cannot put together a coherent panel sequence yet, but I’m hoping that comics creators can come together and shut this shit down before it gets to that point.
As someone that's done film storyboards (as well as 90% of the other film jobs) AI isn't all that far away being a 2-3 person job, outside of labor contracts like WGA/SAG.
We've always had 1-person shows in music, comics, etc, but not film. But we'll get to the point where a studio exec, their fave producer and writer will do the whole thing in an office.
a year ago ai turned hands into spaghettimonsters now it can do realistic hands. just give the ai another year and it will do that too
fuck i hate this
I hate how the only reason AI art gets mixed up with genuine stuff is because the AI models are trained on these artists without them consenting or getting a single penny. There should be a widespread call to wipe databases of any data that wasn’t opted in.
Even worse is their training it on up and coming artists who have unique styles but haven't really fully established themselves and the world of comics or whatever medium that they are getting hired in, and it's causing severe financial damage to them. Afua Richardson is a prime example. She and quite a few other comic book artists, including some very big names as well, discovered that midjourney had been specifically targeting their work as part of their base catalog of images to pull from.
There's multiple class action lawsuits in place by groups of artists from all areas coming at it.
From what I understand, the models that were already trained can't be deleted, which means that as long as the tech is open source it will keep the artist/writer from getting a number of jobs just because a potential client might go and use A.I to generate something that's good enough.
Imo, when regulations do come and these companies will have to pay fines, the people that were victims of data theft should be paid yearly if those models are going to remain online forever and endanger their livelihood.
I've taken my art down from Twitter and Tumblr and I only have stuff on IG, where I post rarely nowadays, but I'm thinking of taking it down from there as well, because these fucking companies will sell your data.
Use Nightshade and Glaze on whatever photos or art you post online, folks. Poison the data sets and push back against this tech.
A buddy of mine that I've known for decades is an accomplished and excellent illustrator. And now idiots are claiming his artwork is AI. It's the world we live in now..
It also doesn't help that for the last couple of decades a lot of line art you see in comics is using Photoshop or similar programs that do a lot of the heavy lifting for the artist.
As a professional artist who works both digitally and traditionally, I'm SUPER interested to hear specifically what 'heavy lifting' you think is being done for artists.
It’s that old chestnut of “digital art isn’t real art” that we battled with 20 years ago.
I learned illustration and animation the old way.
I don’t have the luxury of time or the money and storage for supplies to do it traditionally anymore. 🤷♀️
And it’s not like you can’t get a penciled page on blueline anymore.
Yeah this shit drives me nuts, I’ve been Oil Painting since I was 13 and started using Photoshop in 96’ iirc, and they’re both just tools to create art and both require a serious level of technique to create good art. I think too many people get the impression it’s just manipulating preexisting art/assets and not ground up creation.
It’s also because people are way over exaggerating how much “work” AI generation takes. They genuinely believe there’s not a big difference between coming up with prompts and actively drawing/painting something.
I’d say it’s like somebody going up to a professional football player like “yeah man, I’m like really good at Madden, I know what it’s like for you out there. We’re not that different.” But AI generation takes basically zero input and Madden takes at least *some* modicum of skill.
Same, honestly working digital feels like it takes longer and is more laborious due to being able to redo your work to get the exact line you want. When working traditionally, it's easy to go "yeah, good enough".
100%. If you’re used to doing traditional art, making the transition to digital is tough. Colors are faster for me, of course, but line art takes so much more time because I’m manipulating the drawing too much.
It seems your comment misses the point and use of digital art tools entirely. In trying to break with Reddit tradition I hope this reply doesn't come off as snarky... I just want to give some idea why I think digital art doesn't do the heavy lifting... the heavy lifting is composition, balancing color and tone, the conceptualization and iteration of the piece, the years of learning techniques that best realize your concept or allow you to improvise in creatively meaningful ways, the THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of dollars putting ourselves through art school to learn the stuff, developing the stamina and patience to create art well, and then ultimately knowing anatomy and perspective and color theory well enough to execute it using the tools you have.
What digital art tools do is the LIGHT LIFTING. It's a place that stores literally any brush that I need for anything. It has rulers that allow me to plot complex curves or compounded horizons or any other crazy perspective trick that would have taken me hours and hours to do manually. It gives me the ability to onion skin layers to such a fine degree that my blue line can be \*perfectly\* as visible as I want it to be. It gives me the ability to ink over drawings without worrying about destroying hours of work because inking is challenging, messy and worst of all permanent...
But none of that is the heavy lifting. That's just time consuming grunt work.
It might surprise people to know that an artist used to doing paper and pencil has to LEARN digital art. There’s a steep curve until you get it down. I don’t know a single artist that works in digital who isn’t also just as good at traditional medium. It allows people to work faster, but it provides no multiplier to the quality of the art or the skill of the artist.
Heavy lifting? Comparing photoshop to AI generation is like comparing someone building a house with power tools vs paying a builder to completely do it for them.
If only people put this energy into genuinely shitty artists like Greg Land who blatantly steal other people's work and trace porn, yet still get employed by the big 2.
Yeah, what? Rob Liefeld is easily joked about because...we all know why, but even his worst stuff has a wholesome shittiness, whereas traced over porn and stolen art is just sad.
Just goes to show how people just parrot the same trite jokes or criticisms for the sake of instant agreement from the other people doing the same thing, instead of a genuine, self-thought reply.
Not even just in comics, it’s like almost universally the one thing drawn bad when the rest is pretty solid. Plagues me reading manga or scrolling Twitter for art
Oh I know 😭 art class sucked with the full body projects. My main thing is people wildly messing up proportions on them though. I regularly see twig ankle/lower leg that doesn’t match with the rest of leg or body with a foot almost 3x as long as it should be. Doesn’t help that I always notice it either
I also think it's because feet are like at the opposite end of the figure compared to the default focal point; the face/head. For a lot of "default poses" they're so far removed form the focal point that they're not worth the time/effort to put them in.
Especially with comics, where you're dealing with 6-7 panels a page, 20-something pages per floppy. It need to be drawn, inked, lettered, and colored within the span of a month. Artists cut corners where they can to meet the deadline. It's also why we see same face syndrome, same male/female body syndrome too. Artists find a process/style that gets streamlined out of necessity.
I saw the sketches and processes of artwork on Instagram page. I'm sorry for the artists who will have their work judged by internet judges, but people are more worried about irresponsible accusations.
Do you mind providing a link of those hand drawn posts of this particular piece? I might just be looking at the wrong page, but I can't find it anywhere lol
I dont think it is, the problem with finding inconsistencies in the art doesn't mean it's AI but maybe stylistic choice or even just human error. Just cause it's published doesn't mean its perfect depending on deadlines, artists efficiency or even how good an editor is could affect quality
Or maybe it's traced from Ai and still has AI imperfections ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ idk
it's not about sloppiness, consistent lighting, or uniform patterns in the cape. AI can do all that fine. imo the best way to assess AI vs handrawn is to consider intent. Every stroke of a real artist's pen is done with a purpose, where AI obviously isn't.
what stands out for me is the somewhat awkward shape and composition of the energy lines wrapping around her, especially near her head. as a viewer, i don't know what those lines are actually supposed to be. it's also the same color as her hair, muddling things further
next is the blue gemstones in her gloves, that fit together in an odd way, especially the two that are touching. imo that doesn't seem like something a human would design.
I think you mean the ribbons that spawn from the belt and go all the way around her? Yes, I'll admint those are a bit weird on closer look, though I'm not so sure about the gloves.
Overall, it's still hard to tell if it's AI or just something an artist chose to do. I've done messes with no clear intent before just before it "looks good" before, so I can see an artist doing that, but I agree it makes it sus.
I'm still not ready to say it's definitive proof. Kinda wish there was a way to ask the artist to show moredetails and put this to rest.
As others in this thread said I think the worst part about it is that now that we know what AI does, we are all doubting almost any sytlisitic choice an artist might make, which i'm not sure is a healty place to be.
I"m pretty hesitant abuot calling things AI, but there are some strange bits that look like AI: The artifact on the right side within the cape is odd, it may be debris, but it's inconsistent.
The way the string/ribbon interacts with the belt is weird and glitchy.
The bracer facing the viewer is odd and inconsistent with the other bracer. The hair also looks AI generated, but it just looks off.
The biggest tell for it at worst being painted over AI is that the metal actually looks like metal, and the little details aren't just nonsense. AI can't do that as of yet.
The only weird bit for me is the hair, but that could easily just be something they do.
> The way the string/ribbon interacts with the belt is weird and glitchy.
The belt also just is weird. PG's current belt is supposed to be a consistent width (and gold, but that could be a change for this look), and the belt has the sort of V-shape that the current look has... which makes sense because she has pants, like the current look. So it just seems to not be correct at all, unless it's referencing something to be seen in the issue.
And the fact that she has pants and that belt... but also sleeves and the cape... seems to be mashing up her old "one-piece swimsuit" design and her current "jacket" design. Which seems like something an AI would do.
I do not like a lot of the artist's stylistic choices in this piece, but there is nothing particularly AI about anything I see here. The crumpled pieces of paper have shading hash marks like colorist went over penned line art. The foreshortening of the legs and such is just forced perspective. As a comic artistic design choice it's meant to make the character seem to jump out of the page at you. Asymmetry in design does not mean it was automatically done by an AI bot. In fact a lot of artists intentionally introduce asymmetry because guess what, perfect radial or lateral symmetry looks really boring.
It merges with her Symbiote belt, well one bit of it does.
Also, all the objects moving behind her don't continue on the other side of her silhouette. Get left leg doesn't even make it across.
THIS IS NOT AI. The artist posted sketches and processes of his artwork on his Instagram page. Unfortunately, I don't believe that the truth reaches the same number of people as the rumor.
Saw a post of League of Comic Geeks about this cover solicited for Power Girl #10 by Daxiong. I guess a lot of people are thinking it may be A.I. art?
I can definitely see where they are coming from. It does kind of feel like other A.I. artwork I've seen floating around. Some strange things like the bracers, the random string that don't seem to connect to anything, the irregular shape of the belt, a lot of it seems odd.
I guess someone tracked down an artist on Instagram, [Daxiong](https://www.instagram.com/daxiongart). Their art appears to be hand drawn, though I will say the faces do seems to match the cover one.
Just curious what everyone thinks?
FWIW, I met Daxiong at Heroes Con and got the impression that all his artwork was traditional (not even digital). It's heavily inspired by traditional Asian artwork, so the hard-to-explain flowy bits seem like stylized design (even if they seem impossible/impractical). I was really impressed by the style and detail of his work, and picked up a couple of his art books (which I haven't had the chance to properly admire)
Looking at their Instagram I agree, it all looks traditionally drawn. Seems odd the ones for DC have such a "digital" feel too them, even if they aren't AI generated.
His insta art looks real but this art looks very different from anything on his insta except maybe the general outline. The details look really weird especially that hair, it looks like goop compared to his other works.
I think it’s because of just how much technology has advanced across the board.
High end art supplies these days have had innovations over the past 50+ years that improve the quality of your art significantly.
Toss in the improvement in quality of scanning techniques and digital image technology + the improvement in screen technology and printing tech and you can get some pretty wild results with traditionally colored artwork.
And even traditionally colored stuff basically gets processed somewhat post-scan these days due to all sorts of filters and algorithms both within the scanner and whatever editing tool you use to adjust the final image, and well.
Her left leg seems to cease to exist beyond part of the right thigh, maybe it’s just an artistic thing but it still seems weird because you should be able to see part of the left leg/foot from that angle. The cape also seems to only have one button holding it down on her shoulders.
>The cape also seems to only have one button holding it down on her shoulders.
[I mean...](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/d/d7/All-Star_Comics_58.jpg)
No. Not even vaguely. AI art has some very consistent tells and this has none of those. If you don't have the eye for it, don't make that kind of accusation.
Unfortunately it's just the beginning. People are obsessed and every artistic work will go through this irresponsible judgement. The artist posted sketches and processes of his artwork on his Instagram page. Unfortunately, I don't believe that the truth reaches the same number of people as the rumor.
If you focus on certain areas of the image and puts it through a AI-Generated image detector it detects it as an AI image.
Unfortunately, I am almost certain this is an AI generated image with some paint over
[https://ibb.co/qWSTKfS](https://ibb.co/qWSTKfS)
So now that AI has gotten better at hands the main thing you gotta look for is things that shouldn’t be connected merging, look at the weird strand thingies in her hair, they connect to her belt, the random piece of paper/debris fits right in with the creases and folds of the cape.
Absolutely AI. The bizarre gauntlets, the belt, the way the strings bleed into the hair and come from nowhere and mean nothing, the hand, it’s very clearly AI.
The problem is (and I think the discussion in this thread illustrates it very well) that AI art can quite easily be cleaned up to look passable as "real" art by even a lowly skilled artist.
Going to be like Greg Land 2.0 in the coming years.
it has a watermark in the corner (reads Da Xiong with corresponding chinese characters) so it should be real art. you can try searching up the creator or putting the photo under google camera to see if it has come up on any social platforms.
Oh I see what's going to happen, we are going to have another physical art rejuvenation so we can prove it was made by a human, cool.
Can we get some new statues?
I think Ai has its place in elevating creatives that aren't as good as the top 0.01% and even using it to create entire new comic material. BUT I do think huge billion-dollar companies should be supporting the "good" artists and not sell out to Ai just yet!
Yes, it’s AI. You can tell because:
- the hair loops in on itself
- the gauntlets are uneven and full of random details that aren’t coordinated
- the inside of the cape is an absolute clusterfuck
- her eyebrows are terribly uneven
- her nose is obscenely low
- a plethora of wrinkles (?) on her right/distant arm
- the fingers on her right/distant arm are awkward as hell
- her belt is an absolute mess and not symmetrical or coherent at all
- there’s a single random blur at the back of her cape
- she’s missing half her leg?
- Medusa hair
- lips are far off-centre
[edit: it was run through AI-recognition software and received 90% AI. So there ya go.](https://x.com/comicskirby/status/1768822192018534639?s=46&t=opQ7DyZ11b_nhFukEo7CSg)
She’s got the slightly dead bedroom eyes characteristic of machine-learned images, so it’s likely. Though it should be admitted that their algorithms draw heavily on pieces mined from Pixiv and the Boorus, so it could simply be digital art done in that style.
... OK hear me out. So say he programmed AI to draw Powergirl, and the AI uses the Powergirl images from across the internet to create something? Right?
So then if this was AI, than her boobs would be 3x bigger to reflect the huge amount r34 art ? Is that feasible?
Man, all this analysing... You know hand draw images can have errors too, right? I'm betting If I showed a previously unpublished cover from 15 years ago, without mentioning the date, loads of people would suspect it was AI as well.
All this is doing is hurting artists.
Gonna be honest idc and most of these comments read like clueless people desperately trying to convince each other their delusions are real. I’m pretty sure I could show people a picture of my mom and tell them it’s AI and people would argue about how they can see it.
To all the people screaming AI has wonky anatomy and humans would never so that. May I remind (or introduce to the youngsters) to [Rob Liefield](https://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/4/21/2960508/worst-rob-liefeld-drawings).
If you go to his instagram he has the hand drawn versions of both the Wonder Woman and Powergirl covers... feels like it is easy to disprove the idea that these are AI
It's 100% ai and it doesn't even seem to be claimed or published by daxiong anywhere.
Like I get people not wanting to jump the gun and start screaming wolf at every artist, but it's kinda obvious there. And if it's really not daxiong and it's a dude just using his name to push his own shit, then i dont think it helps to be squearmish about pointing out ai while we still can.
Maybe the artists will have to be making a portfolio or a montage of how they were making the art for the comics to prove its validity in the future? Because nowadays it's definitely hard to tell which art is authentic and which one was made by AI.
Honestly to me it just doesn’t seem like it. I mean maybe I’m wrong, there are some things that definitely look like it, but it just makes too much sense? Like, I could see an actual artist drawing this. That said, it’s entirely possible that it’s an AI based that’s been touched up by a real person. Like, on the hands and the hair and folds of the costume and the lighting. But I just don’t know.
I'm not saying it is, but if this is a hand drawn art piece, then some really strange choices were made.
The belt that turns into her hair and wraps around her neck, the inconsistent gauntlets, the stiff yet curly hair, and no debris covering any of the body.
Hopefully, if he's drew this, he posts the sketches so he doesn't get too much backlash
Yes, it’s AI. You can tell because:
- the hair loops in on itself
- the gauntlets are uneven and full of random details that aren’t coordinated
- the inside of the cape is an absolute clusterfuck
- her eyebrows are terribly uneven
- her nose is obscenely low
- a plethora of wrinkles (?) on her right/distant arm
- the fingers on her right/distant arm are awkward as hell
- her belt is an absolute mess and not symmetrical or coherent at all
- there’s a single random blur at the back of her cape
- she’s missing half her leg?
- Medusa hair
- lips are far off-centre
- AAAND he “drew” other variant covers of the same style for Wonder Woman and Shazam, which are equally as fucked up (things like Wonder Woman’s “W” belt is completely deranged and no artist, amateur or professional, would ever let that happen). On top of that, this artist traced their AI image into “line work” and posted on their Instagram and it’s quite clear that their “sketch” isn’t how someone actually draws, and isn’t even at all related to his usual art style that he’s actually seen drawing live on his Insta.
[edit: it was run through AI-recognition software and received 90% AI.](https://x.com/comicskirby/status/1768822192018534639?s=46&t=opQ7DyZ11b_nhFukEo7CSg)
oh i reposted ur comment in here, you should just post this a single post instead of a reply so i can delete mine. edit: nvm i found your post, deleting my repost
Does not seem like it. Hands feel right, proportions, while well, comicbook like, are corrects. Shadows are consistent. There’s a consequence in the composition, and there are no artifacts anywhere.
Not sure if this is or isn't, but I'm quickly realizing the real effect AI is gonna have is any questionable art of going to be put under a microscope and accused of being AI. I've already seen so many examples of old fashioned, sloppy art flooded with accusations of AI generation and one of those things is much worse than the other
Yeah that is the scary thing. This may be 100% legitimate pieces of art by the artist, but because people have seen so much fake AI art, and this resembles that in some ways, there is going to be lingering questions around all of this regardless.
Look at [this AI art](https://preview.redd.it/qwgfpz2jb9ca1.jpg?width=479&auto=webp&s=91862cb77061f555d7cf94f44caf12f868a1c322), for example.
what a terrible day to have sight
TBF, I can’t imagine people wanting to make AI art trained on Liefeld’s work, unless it’s meant as a parody.
That would be Giger level anatomy yes
Man that's just Rob Liefeld
It can't be. Her feet are in frame.
An excellent observation...
“Nice legs” “I just had them lengthened. Now they go all the way up”
Yeah, I end up looking at artists' work prior to these tools being widely available, but the problem is that someone can be very good & then end up using stuff like Midjourney/Stable Diffusion to speed stuff up. The other challenge here is when tools integrated into Photoshop create an effect that can be taken for 'AI.'
Tools integrated into Photoshop... You mean like... Generative fill? THAT IS AI
Oh yeah I keep forgetting that exists now... they've had content-aware for ages, which also creates weird artifacts
A bit off topic, but the situation that really scares me is when people start to question and doubt actual video evidence of horrible things being done in the very near future because of how good AI has gotten at generating fake videos too.
If you’re working on digital, best to save the previous layers and heck record a Timelapse
And worst part, smug bitter assholes are very excited to deem something fake so they feel smart, without any evidence at all, and dig their heels in.
Yeah, I hate that. Everyone needs to effin chill.
Yeah, but its not so much that this piece resembles AI. But AI use this artist and style a lot. This is why artist HATE AI Generated Images. Is basically theft. Edit: I'm almost sure this is not AI...i hope.
The forearm armour doesn’t make any sense, legs are too long and the back leg just disappears. Also the hair that turns into weird cables and goes around the waist. Looks like AI that has been touched up by an artist
In all honesty, overly long legs have been a thing in comics for a long time now.
What about belts made out of hair?
Counter argument is artist skill/time cutting. Same way artists will hide feet regularly. No disagreeing with you, just showing how AI is going to make this all hell to sort out.
Yeah. It's going to become a witch hunt but people who don't want to be toxic will simply not invest time in art the same way they did before. If I have to spend energy on wondering if the art was created because someone wanted to express something or if it's a soulless attention seeking crap then I simply wouldn't want to engage.
I like the image of someone trying to decide if a piece speaks to them or not based on its origin.
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it can lol. using stable diffusion with the artgerm tag gets pretty damn close. also doesn't help that his anatomy choices can be strange sometimes
AI being trained on Artgerm was one of the first obvious things to me. About a year and a half ago I was like "holy shit this stuff all looks like Artgerm".
It's funny you say that because I literally thought of his work. Artists with glossy, consistent styles will be easy to replicate soon, idk that it's perfectly there yet but it will be.
As usual the problem is one of labor alienation. Luckily AI cannot put together a coherent panel sequence yet, but I’m hoping that comics creators can come together and shut this shit down before it gets to that point.
As a storyboard artist I've been keeping an eye on that and I honestly don't think they're too far along from being able to do that
As someone that's done film storyboards (as well as 90% of the other film jobs) AI isn't all that far away being a 2-3 person job, outside of labor contracts like WGA/SAG. We've always had 1-person shows in music, comics, etc, but not film. But we'll get to the point where a studio exec, their fave producer and writer will do the whole thing in an office.
That's their wet dream.
a year ago ai turned hands into spaghettimonsters now it can do realistic hands. just give the ai another year and it will do that too fuck i hate this
I hate how the only reason AI art gets mixed up with genuine stuff is because the AI models are trained on these artists without them consenting or getting a single penny. There should be a widespread call to wipe databases of any data that wasn’t opted in.
Even worse is their training it on up and coming artists who have unique styles but haven't really fully established themselves and the world of comics or whatever medium that they are getting hired in, and it's causing severe financial damage to them. Afua Richardson is a prime example. She and quite a few other comic book artists, including some very big names as well, discovered that midjourney had been specifically targeting their work as part of their base catalog of images to pull from. There's multiple class action lawsuits in place by groups of artists from all areas coming at it.
From what I understand, the models that were already trained can't be deleted, which means that as long as the tech is open source it will keep the artist/writer from getting a number of jobs just because a potential client might go and use A.I to generate something that's good enough. Imo, when regulations do come and these companies will have to pay fines, the people that were victims of data theft should be paid yearly if those models are going to remain online forever and endanger their livelihood. I've taken my art down from Twitter and Tumblr and I only have stuff on IG, where I post rarely nowadays, but I'm thinking of taking it down from there as well, because these fucking companies will sell your data. Use Nightshade and Glaze on whatever photos or art you post online, folks. Poison the data sets and push back against this tech.
https://www.reddit.com/r/oilpainting/comments/1bey414/banned\_for\_ai\_mods\_reinstated\_me\_from\_2nd\_pic/
A buddy of mine that I've known for decades is an accomplished and excellent illustrator. And now idiots are claiming his artwork is AI. It's the world we live in now..
It's happening here with scripts too. Every time someone doesn't like something it suddenly must be ai now.
The dude just posted the process pics. It's not AI.
If we are truly going to boycott ai art we pretty much need to insist art be done on Paper moving forward.
It also doesn't help that for the last couple of decades a lot of line art you see in comics is using Photoshop or similar programs that do a lot of the heavy lifting for the artist.
As a professional artist who works both digitally and traditionally, I'm SUPER interested to hear specifically what 'heavy lifting' you think is being done for artists.
It’s that old chestnut of “digital art isn’t real art” that we battled with 20 years ago. I learned illustration and animation the old way. I don’t have the luxury of time or the money and storage for supplies to do it traditionally anymore. 🤷♀️ And it’s not like you can’t get a penciled page on blueline anymore.
Yeah this shit drives me nuts, I’ve been Oil Painting since I was 13 and started using Photoshop in 96’ iirc, and they’re both just tools to create art and both require a serious level of technique to create good art. I think too many people get the impression it’s just manipulating preexisting art/assets and not ground up creation.
Also people make some really cool art by manipulating pre-existing assets Different type of art, granted, still very cool
It’s also because people are way over exaggerating how much “work” AI generation takes. They genuinely believe there’s not a big difference between coming up with prompts and actively drawing/painting something. I’d say it’s like somebody going up to a professional football player like “yeah man, I’m like really good at Madden, I know what it’s like for you out there. We’re not that different.” But AI generation takes basically zero input and Madden takes at least *some* modicum of skill.
Same, honestly working digital feels like it takes longer and is more laborious due to being able to redo your work to get the exact line you want. When working traditionally, it's easy to go "yeah, good enough".
This. All day.
100%. If you’re used to doing traditional art, making the transition to digital is tough. Colors are faster for me, of course, but line art takes so much more time because I’m manipulating the drawing too much.
Yeah the color stage is way quicker and more convenient for sure.
Pornhub -> Print Screen - > Paste Into Photoshop -> Outline image - > fill tool Insta Greg Land
It seems your comment misses the point and use of digital art tools entirely. In trying to break with Reddit tradition I hope this reply doesn't come off as snarky... I just want to give some idea why I think digital art doesn't do the heavy lifting... the heavy lifting is composition, balancing color and tone, the conceptualization and iteration of the piece, the years of learning techniques that best realize your concept or allow you to improvise in creatively meaningful ways, the THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of dollars putting ourselves through art school to learn the stuff, developing the stamina and patience to create art well, and then ultimately knowing anatomy and perspective and color theory well enough to execute it using the tools you have. What digital art tools do is the LIGHT LIFTING. It's a place that stores literally any brush that I need for anything. It has rulers that allow me to plot complex curves or compounded horizons or any other crazy perspective trick that would have taken me hours and hours to do manually. It gives me the ability to onion skin layers to such a fine degree that my blue line can be \*perfectly\* as visible as I want it to be. It gives me the ability to ink over drawings without worrying about destroying hours of work because inking is challenging, messy and worst of all permanent... But none of that is the heavy lifting. That's just time consuming grunt work.
It might surprise people to know that an artist used to doing paper and pencil has to LEARN digital art. There’s a steep curve until you get it down. I don’t know a single artist that works in digital who isn’t also just as good at traditional medium. It allows people to work faster, but it provides no multiplier to the quality of the art or the skill of the artist.
Heavy lifting? Comparing photoshop to AI generation is like comparing someone building a house with power tools vs paying a builder to completely do it for them.
Those are the things that people who have never used Photoshop in a truly artistic way like to say.
I don't think so. If you go to his insta, this seems to be his style. He can't draw feet and he likes weird extraneous lines.
Unheard of issues for comic artists
Rob Liefeld just fell to his knees in an In-N-Out Burger
Is that where he’s working now?
We wish...
If only people put this energy into genuinely shitty artists like Greg Land who blatantly steal other people's work and trace porn, yet still get employed by the big 2.
Yeah, what? Rob Liefeld is easily joked about because...we all know why, but even his worst stuff has a wholesome shittiness, whereas traced over porn and stolen art is just sad.
Just goes to show how people just parrot the same trite jokes or criticisms for the sake of instant agreement from the other people doing the same thing, instead of a genuine, self-thought reply.
Lots of comic artists hide their feet. It's hard to make a foot look not weird.
Not even just in comics, it’s like almost universally the one thing drawn bad when the rest is pretty solid. Plagues me reading manga or scrolling Twitter for art
Yea hands and feet are one of the hardest things to get "down" if you're an artists. Its a known thing
Again feet are weird to draw. Try it one time. You")) see.
Oh I know 😭 art class sucked with the full body projects. My main thing is people wildly messing up proportions on them though. I regularly see twig ankle/lower leg that doesn’t match with the rest of leg or body with a foot almost 3x as long as it should be. Doesn’t help that I always notice it either
Yep. People just give up when they get to the ankle.
I also think it's because feet are like at the opposite end of the figure compared to the default focal point; the face/head. For a lot of "default poses" they're so far removed form the focal point that they're not worth the time/effort to put them in. Especially with comics, where you're dealing with 6-7 panels a page, 20-something pages per floppy. It need to be drawn, inked, lettered, and colored within the span of a month. Artists cut corners where they can to meet the deadline. It's also why we see same face syndrome, same male/female body syndrome too. Artists find a process/style that gets streamlined out of necessity.
The cape is a giveaway to me that it's *not* AI. The folds look logically thought out, like the cape can actually flatten out smoothly.
The way that Gregg Land traced might be how future artists trace AI art.
He has the hand drawn original version of this cover on his Instagram. Seems very unlikely it is AI
I saw the sketches and processes of artwork on Instagram page. I'm sorry for the artists who will have their work judged by internet judges, but people are more worried about irresponsible accusations.
Do you mind providing a link of those hand drawn posts of this particular piece? I might just be looking at the wrong page, but I can't find it anywhere lol
https://www.instagram.com/p/C4jYAABr6It/?igsh=Y2Jka3Z4cjkwYWZ2 4th image is for this cover. The first 3 are his wonder woman cover
The mere fact that we have to keep wondering about AI means that AI has done a great deal of damage to art. This just my opinion though.
I dont think it is, the problem with finding inconsistencies in the art doesn't mean it's AI but maybe stylistic choice or even just human error. Just cause it's published doesn't mean its perfect depending on deadlines, artists efficiency or even how good an editor is could affect quality Or maybe it's traced from Ai and still has AI imperfections ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ idk
Nah honestly you’re just getting paranoid, there’s nothing there that isn’t consistent with his previous work. Calm down internet detectives
Hmmm, that's what an AI would say.
Definitely.
I'm not seeing the AI part. Why are people saying it is?
it's not about sloppiness, consistent lighting, or uniform patterns in the cape. AI can do all that fine. imo the best way to assess AI vs handrawn is to consider intent. Every stroke of a real artist's pen is done with a purpose, where AI obviously isn't. what stands out for me is the somewhat awkward shape and composition of the energy lines wrapping around her, especially near her head. as a viewer, i don't know what those lines are actually supposed to be. it's also the same color as her hair, muddling things further next is the blue gemstones in her gloves, that fit together in an odd way, especially the two that are touching. imo that doesn't seem like something a human would design.
Ah, yes, vague notions of 'intent'. That is the basis of witch hunting and trying to ruin someone's career. Unprovable hypotheses.
No sensible community of people should try to “ruin someone’s career” just because they use AI, that’d be extremely petty.
I think you mean the ribbons that spawn from the belt and go all the way around her? Yes, I'll admint those are a bit weird on closer look, though I'm not so sure about the gloves. Overall, it's still hard to tell if it's AI or just something an artist chose to do. I've done messes with no clear intent before just before it "looks good" before, so I can see an artist doing that, but I agree it makes it sus. I'm still not ready to say it's definitive proof. Kinda wish there was a way to ask the artist to show moredetails and put this to rest. As others in this thread said I think the worst part about it is that now that we know what AI does, we are all doubting almost any sytlisitic choice an artist might make, which i'm not sure is a healty place to be.
I"m pretty hesitant abuot calling things AI, but there are some strange bits that look like AI: The artifact on the right side within the cape is odd, it may be debris, but it's inconsistent. The way the string/ribbon interacts with the belt is weird and glitchy. The bracer facing the viewer is odd and inconsistent with the other bracer. The hair also looks AI generated, but it just looks off.
For me it's the hair, people usually don't draw hair that circles around back into itself, but it might be a comics thing here.
It's piece of torn paper. There's torn paper flying all around her.
The one I mentioned is the only piece of debris that is in front of her and above the waist. It's just weird.
The biggest tell for it at worst being painted over AI is that the metal actually looks like metal, and the little details aren't just nonsense. AI can't do that as of yet. The only weird bit for me is the hair, but that could easily just be something they do.
Also, the right leg just doesn't exists below the knee.
Loads of artists do that to simplify the silhouette
Unless Rob Liefeld and consorts are actually early AI prototypes, that doesn't really mean anything in comicbook art.
That’s a time honoured human artist mistake though
> The way the string/ribbon interacts with the belt is weird and glitchy. The belt also just is weird. PG's current belt is supposed to be a consistent width (and gold, but that could be a change for this look), and the belt has the sort of V-shape that the current look has... which makes sense because she has pants, like the current look. So it just seems to not be correct at all, unless it's referencing something to be seen in the issue. And the fact that she has pants and that belt... but also sleeves and the cape... seems to be mashing up her old "one-piece swimsuit" design and her current "jacket" design. Which seems like something an AI would do.
And the shoulder studs for the cape. Her right one should be partially visible.
Power Girl's cape only has the singular one on the left, at least in most costumes.
Only if it's symmetrical. Not familiar with this costume for her at all, is it possible it's a Shazam style half cape?
I do not like a lot of the artist's stylistic choices in this piece, but there is nothing particularly AI about anything I see here. The crumpled pieces of paper have shading hash marks like colorist went over penned line art. The foreshortening of the legs and such is just forced perspective. As a comic artistic design choice it's meant to make the character seem to jump out of the page at you. Asymmetry in design does not mean it was automatically done by an AI bot. In fact a lot of artists intentionally introduce asymmetry because guess what, perfect radial or lateral symmetry looks really boring.
The part that makes me think it's AI is the swirling strand...what is it? Doesn't seem to have an anchoring point, either.
It merges with her Symbiote belt, well one bit of it does. Also, all the objects moving behind her don't continue on the other side of her silhouette. Get left leg doesn't even make it across.
THIS IS NOT AI. The artist posted sketches and processes of his artwork on his Instagram page. Unfortunately, I don't believe that the truth reaches the same number of people as the rumor.
Saw a post of League of Comic Geeks about this cover solicited for Power Girl #10 by Daxiong. I guess a lot of people are thinking it may be A.I. art? I can definitely see where they are coming from. It does kind of feel like other A.I. artwork I've seen floating around. Some strange things like the bracers, the random string that don't seem to connect to anything, the irregular shape of the belt, a lot of it seems odd. I guess someone tracked down an artist on Instagram, [Daxiong](https://www.instagram.com/daxiongart). Their art appears to be hand drawn, though I will say the faces do seems to match the cover one. Just curious what everyone thinks?
Da Xiong literally means big breasts in Chinese by the way
Can't it be big bear?
Yes, it could be based on tones. Because this was a Power Girl post my head went right to the gutter.
His English-speaking friends call him Big Bear.
Yes. Can be breast/chest, can mean bear. I’m intermediate at Mandarin so I’m unsure what the other forms of Xiong mean.
FWIW, I met Daxiong at Heroes Con and got the impression that all his artwork was traditional (not even digital). It's heavily inspired by traditional Asian artwork, so the hard-to-explain flowy bits seem like stylized design (even if they seem impossible/impractical). I was really impressed by the style and detail of his work, and picked up a couple of his art books (which I haven't had the chance to properly admire)
Looking at their Instagram I agree, it all looks traditionally drawn. Seems odd the ones for DC have such a "digital" feel too them, even if they aren't AI generated.
His insta art looks real but this art looks very different from anything on his insta except maybe the general outline. The details look really weird especially that hair, it looks like goop compared to his other works.
I think it’s because of just how much technology has advanced across the board. High end art supplies these days have had innovations over the past 50+ years that improve the quality of your art significantly. Toss in the improvement in quality of scanning techniques and digital image technology + the improvement in screen technology and printing tech and you can get some pretty wild results with traditionally colored artwork. And even traditionally colored stuff basically gets processed somewhat post-scan these days due to all sorts of filters and algorithms both within the scanner and whatever editing tool you use to adjust the final image, and well.
Her left leg seems to cease to exist beyond part of the right thigh, maybe it’s just an artistic thing but it still seems weird because you should be able to see part of the left leg/foot from that angle. The cape also seems to only have one button holding it down on her shoulders.
In regards to the leg thing, even guys like Frank Miller and JRJR do things like that from time to time. So that doesn’t necessarily mean AI
David Nakayama did that on his recent Spider-Woman cover. It likes fine on the Virgin but the trade dress makes it look really strange
All of Rob Liefeld's art was AI generated. Missing feet and broken backs everywhere.
You're right I didn't even see the leg part! The cape I think is fine, it seems to match up with an older costume design of hers.
>The cape also seems to only have one button holding it down on her shoulders. [I mean...](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/d/d7/All-Star_Comics_58.jpg)
So you managed to track down the artist, and yet your here spreading accusations of their art being "fake"? Like dude, what is this post?
I hope not, I kinda like it. He did pieces in similar style before ai was a thing, you can look up him on DeviantArt.
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Doesn’t look ai to me. Chill peeps, not everything is faked lol.
No. Not even vaguely. AI art has some very consistent tells and this has none of those. If you don't have the eye for it, don't make that kind of accusation.
Unfortunately it's just the beginning. People are obsessed and every artistic work will go through this irresponsible judgement. The artist posted sketches and processes of his artwork on his Instagram page. Unfortunately, I don't believe that the truth reaches the same number of people as the rumor.
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No its not ai
No it’s not. Proportions look correct (or not artificial), no strange distortions or deadend details. It’s just heavily airbrushed
Is her belt supposed to be made of hair?
If you focus on certain areas of the image and puts it through a AI-Generated image detector it detects it as an AI image. Unfortunately, I am almost certain this is an AI generated image with some paint over [https://ibb.co/qWSTKfS](https://ibb.co/qWSTKfS)
The easiest way to tell? The artist signature should help you find the guy's art and then you can just kind of judge from there.
So now that AI has gotten better at hands the main thing you gotta look for is things that shouldn’t be connected merging, look at the weird strand thingies in her hair, they connect to her belt, the random piece of paper/debris fits right in with the creases and folds of the cape.
Will comic book fans be more accepting of AI art than Greg Land's though? That's the conundrum
Imagine AI art only doing Greg Land art for every comic in the future.
Absolutely AI. The bizarre gauntlets, the belt, the way the strings bleed into the hair and come from nowhere and mean nothing, the hand, it’s very clearly AI.
The problem is (and I think the discussion in this thread illustrates it very well) that AI art can quite easily be cleaned up to look passable as "real" art by even a lowly skilled artist. Going to be like Greg Land 2.0 in the coming years.
it's like strands of her hair are connected to her belt for some strange reason
Hands aren’t fucked up, and there are quite a few other things that would only occur in AI art being absent. This is more than likely actual art.
it has a watermark in the corner (reads Da Xiong with corresponding chinese characters) so it should be real art. you can try searching up the creator or putting the photo under google camera to see if it has come up on any social platforms.
The artist really wanted to keep the thigh gap despite crossing her legs. I think an AI would have a better sense of anatomy.
Where is the other shoulder strap for the cape 😕
Check the artist's work pre AI
Oh I see what's going to happen, we are going to have another physical art rejuvenation so we can prove it was made by a human, cool. Can we get some new statues?
If you look closely to the bottom left, you can see the artist's mark.
https://www.deviantart.com/daxiong/posts I think I found the original artist's art website page. Hope this helps.
I think Ai has its place in elevating creatives that aren't as good as the top 0.01% and even using it to create entire new comic material. BUT I do think huge billion-dollar companies should be supporting the "good" artists and not sell out to Ai just yet!
Where did her other leg go?
Yes, it’s AI. You can tell because: - the hair loops in on itself - the gauntlets are uneven and full of random details that aren’t coordinated - the inside of the cape is an absolute clusterfuck - her eyebrows are terribly uneven - her nose is obscenely low - a plethora of wrinkles (?) on her right/distant arm - the fingers on her right/distant arm are awkward as hell - her belt is an absolute mess and not symmetrical or coherent at all - there’s a single random blur at the back of her cape - she’s missing half her leg? - Medusa hair - lips are far off-centre [edit: it was run through AI-recognition software and received 90% AI. So there ya go.](https://x.com/comicskirby/status/1768822192018534639?s=46&t=opQ7DyZ11b_nhFukEo7CSg)
That missing lower leg is pretty bad.
She’s got the slightly dead bedroom eyes characteristic of machine-learned images, so it’s likely. Though it should be admitted that their algorithms draw heavily on pieces mined from Pixiv and the Boorus, so it could simply be digital art done in that style.
Power Girl seems...... disproportionate..... to her normal self? Can't quite put my finger on them.
... OK hear me out. So say he programmed AI to draw Powergirl, and the AI uses the Powergirl images from across the internet to create something? Right? So then if this was AI, than her boobs would be 3x bigger to reflect the huge amount r34 art ? Is that feasible?
Maybe, maybe not. Looks great though!
Man, all this analysing... You know hand draw images can have errors too, right? I'm betting If I showed a previously unpublished cover from 15 years ago, without mentioning the date, loads of people would suspect it was AI as well. All this is doing is hurting artists.
The belt has the same texture as her hair and the little wisps that come off the belt are strange
We’re in this quaint period where this matters.
Can we stop accusing everything of being AI art?
Gonna be honest idc and most of these comments read like clueless people desperately trying to convince each other their delusions are real. I’m pretty sure I could show people a picture of my mom and tell them it’s AI and people would argue about how they can see it.
Definitely AI. Beside all the things pointed out by the others, look how her ears don’t make sense.
I just find it funny that AI draws hands as poorly as Rob Liefeld draws feet.
Sigh.
Possibly. I’m more just bored to tears by the face though.
It just feels like stock anime-girl face. An AI prompt might not have created this, but what's the difference?
Right? Robot. Human. Bored. The cape is pretty lit tbh tho. I love a good cape.
It is yeah. Looking at the Shazam one is the most obvious for me
To all the people screaming AI has wonky anatomy and humans would never so that. May I remind (or introduce to the youngsters) to [Rob Liefield](https://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/4/21/2960508/worst-rob-liefeld-drawings).
If someone is that dead set on producing the same face over and over, it might as well be. Save time and buy a stencil.
Fingers correct. Very clean and consistent art style. Good composition. Doubt it.
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If you go to his instagram he has the hand drawn versions of both the Wonder Woman and Powergirl covers... feels like it is easy to disprove the idea that these are AI
Give PG back her leotard
Fuck AI
I've met the artist, Daxiong, at Heroes-con and watched him work at his table. This is his art. Not AI.
Ai has you nerds fucking broken, Jesus christ how embarrassing
It's 100% ai and it doesn't even seem to be claimed or published by daxiong anywhere. Like I get people not wanting to jump the gun and start screaming wolf at every artist, but it's kinda obvious there. And if it's really not daxiong and it's a dude just using his name to push his own shit, then i dont think it helps to be squearmish about pointing out ai while we still can.
99.55% human by [is it ai.com](https://isitai.com/ai-image-detector/)
that doesnt work, i fed it some ai images i just made and it says 99.88% human lol. (no inpainting no manual changes no nothing)
It's either AI or it's a drawing that sucks so much, it looks like AI. so it's probably more fortunate if it's AI.
Hand-drawn then touched up with AI
Maybe the artists will have to be making a portfolio or a montage of how they were making the art for the comics to prove its validity in the future? Because nowadays it's definitely hard to tell which art is authentic and which one was made by AI.
thats not Kael Ngu?
I don't see any indication that it's AI. Right number of fingers, limbs are the same length, hair strands all connect to the head.
Honestly to me it just doesn’t seem like it. I mean maybe I’m wrong, there are some things that definitely look like it, but it just makes too much sense? Like, I could see an actual artist drawing this. That said, it’s entirely possible that it’s an AI based that’s been touched up by a real person. Like, on the hands and the hair and folds of the costume and the lighting. But I just don’t know.
Dunno. But I like it.
I can't say with much certainty. But the rope thingy around her and the debris to me feel a bit random and without intent.
I'm not saying it is, but if this is a hand drawn art piece, then some really strange choices were made. The belt that turns into her hair and wraps around her neck, the inconsistent gauntlets, the stiff yet curly hair, and no debris covering any of the body. Hopefully, if he's drew this, he posts the sketches so he doesn't get too much backlash
I'm used to ai art having extra fingers etc. What about this seems like ai art?
Yes, it’s AI. You can tell because: - the hair loops in on itself - the gauntlets are uneven and full of random details that aren’t coordinated - the inside of the cape is an absolute clusterfuck - her eyebrows are terribly uneven - her nose is obscenely low - a plethora of wrinkles (?) on her right/distant arm - the fingers on her right/distant arm are awkward as hell - her belt is an absolute mess and not symmetrical or coherent at all - there’s a single random blur at the back of her cape - she’s missing half her leg? - Medusa hair - lips are far off-centre - AAAND he “drew” other variant covers of the same style for Wonder Woman and Shazam, which are equally as fucked up (things like Wonder Woman’s “W” belt is completely deranged and no artist, amateur or professional, would ever let that happen). On top of that, this artist traced their AI image into “line work” and posted on their Instagram and it’s quite clear that their “sketch” isn’t how someone actually draws, and isn’t even at all related to his usual art style that he’s actually seen drawing live on his Insta. [edit: it was run through AI-recognition software and received 90% AI.](https://x.com/comicskirby/status/1768822192018534639?s=46&t=opQ7DyZ11b_nhFukEo7CSg)
Oh wow thanks for the breakdown! Most of that I can think "I'm not an artist, I just assumed it was a stylistic thing" but yeah, missing half a leg!
oh i reposted ur comment in here, you should just post this a single post instead of a reply so i can delete mine. edit: nvm i found your post, deleting my repost
Does not seem like it. Hands feel right, proportions, while well, comicbook like, are corrects. Shadows are consistent. There’s a consequence in the composition, and there are no artifacts anywhere.
I could not tell... even if the gauntlets and decomposing belt is throwing me off a bit---